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  • ehgatoehgato Member Posts: 137 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    burstorion wrote: »

    Simply put - the weaker the kdf is, the more gratification is translated to sales via the feds - but its a balancing act to maintain a kdf population of targets - thus expect some bones to be thrown, but don't expect anything close to fed/fedrom balance



    I hate to say it, but crypto/pwe are playing some high level mind games with the kdf faction as the sacrificial goat

    So we can take out that satisfaction stoping the pvp vs fed? maybe work i dont know.

    Personally i left pvp long ago, and dont enter kerrat for any reason (some time ago i was enjoing enter there with mi BOP and made all the scans taking away from the feds the goal of that map but i get boring so i quit that.

    by the way i already put the disenchanted title on all mi kdf
  • newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited October 2013
    nabreeki wrote: »
    More of the same whining and complaining about the "KDF" situation, as if writing long careposts and -- oh no --LEAVING the game is going to mean anything to PWE, or the rest of the playerbase, for that matter. This has got to be the least effective way to get anything done in-game, especially as it has been explicitly mentioned in the past by a dev (or maybe D-Stahl, not sure) that KDF is much less profitable than Fed in terms of C-store purchases. That's it, simply: there is less money in the KDF. We can sit back and whine about GREED and IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY, or we can accept it for what it is: the truth. No one owes the KDF anything, plain and simple. It seriously amazes me that these threads/posts keep popping up when it's very clear that everything is working as intended, more or less. Perhaps, in the future, if the KDF becomes more profitable (not very likely, as KDF Rom is much, much better), there will be an uptick in KDF ships, missions, items, whatever. But it's not happening, folks!

    Also, I do believe posting an "I quit" post is more or less against the forums rules, so let's just get that out of the way.

    Troll MUCH??? Sorry that was a rhetorical question:eek::P

    The main problem is:

    a)there is nothing to buy - like the last ship - borbrick - as in flying brick in space was not that appealing - hence not many sales

    B)there is nothing to buy - like the 1 KDF costume vs 20+ for Fed side and what 6 Rommie?
  • oakland4lifeoakland4life Member Posts: 545 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    nabreeki wrote: »
    More of the same whining and complaining about the "KDF" situation, as if writing long careposts and -- oh no --LEAVING the game is going to mean anything to PWE, or the rest of the playerbase, for that matter. This has got to be the least effective way to get anything done in-game, especially as it has been explicitly mentioned in the past by a dev (or maybe D-Stahl, not sure) that KDF is much less profitable than Fed in terms of C-store purchases. That's it, simply: there is less money in the KDF. We can sit back and whine about GREED and IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY, or we can accept it for what it is: the truth. No one owes the KDF anything, plain and simple. It seriously amazes me that these threads/posts keep popping up when it's very clear that everything is working as intended, more or less. Perhaps, in the future, if the KDF becomes more profitable (not very likely, as KDF Rom is much, much better), there will be an uptick in KDF ships, missions, items, whatever. But it's not happening, folks!

    Also, I do believe posting an "I quit" post is more or less against the forums rules, so let's just get that out of the way.

    of course the KDF is much less profitable than the Fed side, there is nothing to buy on the end game content for the KDF for the past 2 years.

    How many C-Store outfits there are for the KDF in the past 3+ years? oh yeah, just only 1

    How many Tier 5 KDF ships came out since the game went F2P?... again just only 1, a inferior turn rate Battle Cruiser which have to compete vs the faster more offensively powerful escort type vessels in the ''Escort Era'' for the past 2 years. The older pre-F2P era Tier 5 KDF ships sold very well like the B'rel Retro, Kar'fi Carrier and the Garumba Seige Destroyer. Did Cryptic even try to atleast to release 1 new C-store KDF Tier 5 BoP, Raptor or Destroyers lines to test the waters to see how much they can sell in the F2P era?.. again, no. they decided to go back to their Pro-Fed Bias to make ships for their own Fed toons.

    The only reason the Romulans only made money because they were an expansion of an already existing game (same for all expansions to any game) which they borught something new to the table with a power creep that made them more powerful than either the Feds or the KDF... but right now at this moment the momentum of the Romulan money milking is already showing signs of strain, look at the lastest Romulan ship that hit the C-store, the Romulan Tactical Warbird... a ship that did not sell well at all enough, so Cryptic decided to make it a Tactical Carrier Warbird to try to boast more sells.

    Funny, how u come in here whining and complaining about KDF players who wanting more for it's faction. or isn't something else, somthing personal, like u being mad just because u getting killed all the time in PvP with ur offensively superior Fed ships by Superior Skilled KDF players in PvP so u decided to come to a Klingon thread to bash on a Faction fanbase u hate. What's working as intended?... ur Fed ship goes boom in PvP as always.
  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Frankly id just be content with enough of a factional playerbase to do fleet alerts once a day or so.

    or maybe a fleet defense. god forbid we do anything ground 20 man

    =/

    Least the feds got bodies.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    nabreeki wrote: »
    More of the same whining and complaining about the "KDF" situation, as if writing long careposts and -- oh no --LEAVING the game is going to mean anything to PWE, or the rest of the playerbase, for that matter. This has got to be the least effective way to get anything done in-game, especially as it has been explicitly mentioned in the past by a dev (or maybe D-Stahl, not sure) that KDF is much less profitable than Fed in terms of C-store purchases. That's it, simply: there is less money in the KDF. We can sit back and whine about GREED and IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY, or we can accept it for what it is: the truth. No one owes the KDF anything, plain and simple. It seriously amazes me that these threads/posts keep popping up when it's very clear that everything is working as intended, more or less. Perhaps, in the future, if the KDF becomes more profitable (not very likely, as KDF Rom is much, much better), there will be an uptick in KDF ships, missions, items, whatever. But it's not happening, folks!

    Also, I do believe posting an "I quit" post is more or less against the forums rules, so let's just get that out of the way.

    Hey hey enough trolling! PWE and Cryptic owe you! So stop trolling and buy stuff to keep STO going! Being here acting the TRIBBLE means your not buying what they owe you and are not holding your end of the deal up!
    Get out there and grind! They owe you that! Open your wallet and show your apreciation!
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

    R.I.P
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,944 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Frankly id just be content with enough of a factional playerbase to do fleet alerts once a day or so.

    or maybe a fleet defense. god forbid we do anything ground 20 man

    =/

    Least the feds got bodies.

    Fleet teams, KDF chanells, premades and established groups are your friends on the red side. I was on the same opinion as you some time ago, then I figured that KDF players don't really like to pug much, so they organize private instances with fleeties or people then know to get things done.
    There also are several KDF channels dedicated to organizing for PvE, where it's not uncommon to be able to get a team together to do PvE stuff.

    But yeah, many of the pugs are dead to the KDF, especially the ones requiring more players like the fleet starbase defense you mentioned. If you haven't tried it yet, you might want to try joining some of the KDF channels mentioned in that other thread, or try to put a standard team together with people you know.
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  • sunseahlsunseahl Member Posts: 824 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    nabreeki wrote: »
    More of the same whining...

    Was wondering when GoonswarmDental would show up... >.>



    As for the current situation I'm actually kinda happy with the recent slaver changes now.... My Advanced Slavers actually loot again at a reasonable rate at Level 3 and up.... The higher the level the better the loot, usually.
    Member of the "Disenchanted"
    We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
  • papertoastypapertoasty Member Posts: 247 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    last i checked, star trek was about the federation not the klingons . . . :eek:
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    last i checked, star trek was about the federation not the klingons . . . :eek:

    Actually...NO.
    It was always about humans. What was the tagline for the first motion picture?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5vK8hCVrFg

    What species were all the commanding officers?
    Yep.
    Trek was not about the Federation, it was always about humans.
    That's also the reason why just about half the villains in Trek movies threaten earth.
    V'Ger, the Whale Probe, the Borg, Shinzon, Nero.
    And they even state in "Nemesis" that without Earth, the Federation would be crippled...because humans are awesome and earth is the center of the universe.
    Hence STO is already breaking the mold by allowing non-human captains.
    But appearently it's okay to break out of the limits of the show, as long as it's for one faction and not the others.:rolleyes:
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    last i checked, star trek was about the federation not the klingons . . . :eek:

    Right! So get back ingame and get to playing! Do your due diligence and play and pay! Stop wasting time! The Fed items in the cstore will not buy themselves!
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

    R.I.P
  • oakland4lifeoakland4life Member Posts: 545 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    last i checked, star trek was about the federation not the klingons . . . :eek:

    hmm... last time i checked, Star Wars was about the Jedi, but u don't see SWTOR favoring the Jedi faction over the Sith, instead they made both factons equal.

    Maybe u should Trololo ur way out of the Klingon Threads... PetaQ'
  • bblbrxbblbrx Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I'm mainly a KDF player (my main character is a KDF toon, I play with him at least once a day since the begin of the game as i played the open beta as a fed) and I must say : I'm not disenchanted at all.

    I mean, we ask them content, they done it (and it's a very good job, I love those new missions) we ask them ships, look at the KDF fleetyard, we've got plenty of ships, for each level even though there is a lot fewer klingons ship seen in the show than feds (obvious). We had the foundry (and this tool is so amaizing) Doffing (which is quiete addictive) Reputations, regular Featured Episods, Seasons with new content, event, etc, and more important, they gave use the ability to earn Zen point without spending a single $. And that's pretty impressive, I mean, a MMORPG with this quality and hard work, totaly free, for real (I manage to buy everything in the Zen store without paying a cents, and without "farming", just while playing).

    So okay, 90% of this isn't KDF only content, but, it's pretty awsome guys, I didn't actually know a single real F2P with so much work in it.

    So what ? You guys are Disenchanted 'cause you want some KDF only content, just for us, that's it ? Just for KDF, and nothing for the others right ? Fellas, you are not paying a cents, this is a free to play game, with a lot of hard work put in it and weekly patch (and almost monthly new content). Can't you stop whinning and you know, just enjoy what you have ? If you can not, you know, you can just turn off the game, try something else for one or two month, maybe you'll find the perfect game of your dream.
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    From the impressive Star-Sloop Obsidian Shrike
  • papertoastypapertoasty Member Posts: 247 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Actually...NO.
    It was always about humans. What was the tagline for the first motion picture?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5vK8hCVrFg

    What species were all the commanding officers?
    Yep.
    Trek was not about the Federation, it was always about humans.
    That's also the reason why just about half the villains in Trek movies threaten earth.
    V'Ger, the Whale Probe, the Borg, Shinzon, Nero.
    And they even state in "Nemesis" that without Earth, the Federation would be crippled...because humans are awesome and earth is the center of the universe.
    Hence STO is already breaking the mold by allowing non-human captains.
    But appearently it's okay to break out of the limits of the show, as long as it's for one faction and not the others.:rolleyes:

    thats funny because if half of yall bother to watch the shows, youll find that theres plenty of non-human captains. :rolleyes:
    no limits of the show are being broken.
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Right! So get back ingame and get to playing! Do your due diligence and play and pay! Stop wasting time! The Fed items in the cstore will not buy themselves!
    true that
    bblbrx wrote: »
    I'm mainly a KDF player (my main character is a KDF toon, I play with him at least once a day since the begin of the game as i played the open beta as a fed) and I must say : I'm not disenchanted at all.

    I mean, we ask them content, they done it (and it's a very good job, I love those new missions) we ask them ships, look at the KDF fleetyard, we've got plenty of ships, for each level even though there is a lot fewer klingons ship seen in the show than feds (obvious). We had the foundry (and this tool is so amaizing) Doffing (which is quiete addictive) Reputations, regular Featured Episods, Seasons with new content, event, etc, and more important, they gave use the ability to earn Zen point without spending a single $. And that's pretty impressive, I mean, a MMORPG with this quality and hard work, totaly free, for real (I manage to buy everything in the Zen store without paying a cents, and without "farming", just while playing).

    So okay, 90% of this isn't KDF only content, but, it's pretty awsome guys, I didn't actually know a single real F2P with so much work in it.

    So what ? You guys are Disenchanted 'cause you want some KDF only content, just for us, that's it ? Just for KDF, and nothing for the others right ? Fellas, you are not paying a cents, this is a free to play game, with a lot of hard work put in it and weekly patch (and almost monthly new content). Can't you stop whinning and you know, just enjoy what you have ? If you can not, you know, you can just turn off the game, try something else for one or two month, maybe you'll find the perfect game of your dream.

    amen
  • oakland4lifeoakland4life Member Posts: 545 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    bblbrx wrote: »
    I'm mainly a KDF player (my main character is a KDF toon, I play with him at least once a day since the begin of the game as i played the open beta as a fed) and I must say : I'm not disenchanted at all.

    I mean, we ask them content, they done it (and it's a very good job, I love those new missions) we ask them ships, look at the KDF fleetyard, we've got plenty of ships, for each level even though there is a lot fewer klingons ship seen in the show than feds (obvious). We had the foundry (and this tool is so amaizing) Doffing (which is quiete addictive) Reputations, regular Featured Episods, Seasons with new content, event, etc, and more important, they gave use the ability to earn Zen point without spending a single $. And that's pretty impressive, I mean, a MMORPG with this quality and hard work, totaly free, for real (I manage to buy everything in the Zen store without paying a cents, and without "farming", just while playing).

    So okay, 90% of this isn't KDF only content, but, it's pretty awsome guys, I didn't actually know a single real F2P with so much work in it.

    So what ? You guys are Disenchanted 'cause you want some KDF only content, just for us, that's it ? Just for KDF, and nothing for the others right ? Fellas, you are not paying a cents, this is a free to play game, with a lot of hard work put in it and weekly patch (and almost monthly new content). Can't you stop whinning and you know, just enjoy what you have ? If you can not, you know, you can just turn off the game, try something else for one or two month, maybe you'll find the perfect game of your dream.

    Sorry to break it down to u PvE player, but ur points are highly flawed.

    #1. KDF players are asking for more ''Tier 5'' C-store Ships which only 1 came out since the game went F2P. nobody cares about lower Tier C-store ships, which is totally useless especially in PvP... at best they can do is give u a unique ship outfit, which in most case at this moment either have no Tier 5 ships to change it on or it's bugged like the B'rotlh skin to Fleet B'rel.

    #2. They only added a few exculsive featured episodes during 3 years that KDF players have asked for them, but only at the time when they made the Romulan Expansion they came out pre-level 20 missions for KDF. also i don't see any KDF players complaining about adding more Foundry missions or Event's since ANYONE can use them.

    #3. KDF players are asking for more content which are Outfit's and Ships, There have been zero Tier 5 C-store KDF ship in the past year to match or compare to the ever growing Tier 5 Fed & Romulan C-store ship lines with their ever growing power creeps.

    #4. I don't see any KDF players complaning about getting Dilithium/Zen/EC etc since alot more KDF Players could collect any resources without any problems, but there are also alot of players who don't spend alot of hours on the computer because they have to go to work, so instead they pay for zen and with it they buy ships.

    Funny how u mention ''Nothing for the other right? Fellas'' maybe u should go on the Fed threads and say that. again How many C-store stuff came out for the KDF in the past year compare to the Fed and Romulans C-store stuff?

    KDF players are asking for more of a balance, NOT ''we want more this and that than the Feds'' which is something u try to stir up.

    Maybe next time u post, u should look up what KDF players are acutally posting about b4 u starting posting nonsense that does not relate to the topic.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I actually have mentioned a KDF pov multifactional STF for endgame involving the Undine quite often before the lack of response killed my enthuiasm.
    Bug fixes have been a big issue for many KDF players, so I guess that is a KDF only request.
    A balance pass for BOPs since they are way behind the power creep based on a now long gone premise of balance.
    Story missions to enflesh the KDF so it can tie up very old loose-ended storylines.
    Costume options like longcoats or even Borethean monk robes so we can dress our toons in more outfits that do not look like a KISS reunion
    Whole pages of ship ideas that give us a real KDF feel plus lift up the nonklingon races like a ferasin vessel, more Horn, more Orion, etc.
    There is actually a huge thread of ideas we KDF fans would love to spend money on in STO that has gone unrealized or commented upon.
    Kahless we are such TRIBBLE for wanting more from the IP that spawned us!

    None of this matters though since the sun rises and falls from the pungent crevases of the fedfans in STO. How dare we lowly Klingons speak of our plight! How dare we not drink the fruity juice of the fed greatness and bow before thier superiority complex!

    Oh KDF brothers do not argue the thier greatness! The fed knows they are great for they have told us so! Do not attempt to draw thier minds from thier own self marvel for if they stop to dwell on anything not centric to thier interest the whole reality of STO may come to a halt. They support STO so all can know their glory! Logic is futile, other fandoms do not exist! All is fed and thier accolyte merchant Cryptic is still hungry!
    Yea though I walk through the Cryptic valley of disinterest my soul is well because the fedfan can still tout his on greatness with blind monetary faith!
    By the capitalistic ashes of the great pigeon so let it be.
    Amen.
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

    R.I.P
  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    I actually have mentioned a KDF pov multifactional STF for endgame involving the Undine quite often before the lack of response killed my enthuiasm.
    Bug fixes have been a big issue for many KDF players, so I guess that is a KDF only request.
    A balance pass for BOPs since they are way behind the power creep based on a now long gone premise of balance.
    Story missions to enflesh the KDF so it can tie up very old loose-ended storylines.
    Costume options like longcoats or even Borethean monk robes so we can dress our toons in more outfits that do not look like a KISS reunion
    Whole pages of ship ideas that give us a real KDF feel plus lift up the nonklingon races like a ferasin vessel, more Horn, more Orion, etc.
    There is actually a huge thread of ideas we KDF fans would love to spend money on in STO that has gone unrealized or commented upon.
    Kahless we are such TRIBBLE for wanting more from the IP that spawned us!

    None of this matters though since the sun rises and falls from the pungent crevases of the fedfans in STO. How dare we lowly Klingons speak of our plight! How dare we not drink the fruity juice of the fed greatness and bow before thier superiority complex!

    Oh KDF brothers do not argue the thier greatness! The fed knows they are great for they have told us so! Do not attempt to draw thier minds from thier own self marvel for if they stop to dwell on anything not centric to thier interest the whole reality of STO may come to a halt. They support STO so all can know their glory! Logic is futile, other fandoms do not exist! All is fed and thier accolyte merchant Cryptic is still hungry!
    Yea though I walk through the Cryptic valley of disinterest my soul is well because the fedfan can still tout his on greatness with blind monetary faith!
    By the capitalistic ashes of the great pigeon so let it be.
    Amen.


    This, exactly this.
  • sunseahlsunseahl Member Posts: 824 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    None of this matters though since the sun rises and falls from the pungent crevases of the fedfans in STO. How dare we lowly Klingons speak of our plight! How dare we not drink the fruity juice of the fed greatness and bow before thier superiority complex!

    Oh KDF brothers do not argue the thier greatness! The fed knows they are great for they have told us so! Do not attempt to draw thier minds from thier own self marvel for if they stop to dwell on anything not centric to thier interest the whole reality of STO may come to a halt. They support STO so all can know their glory! Logic is futile, other fandoms do not exist! All is fed and thier accolyte merchant Cryptic is still hungry!
    Yea though I walk through the Cryptic valley of disinterest my soul is well because the fedfan can still tout his on greatness with blind monetary faith!
    By the capitalistic ashes of the great pigeon so let it be.
    Amen.


    You know the funny thing is.... In the IP(somewhere between TOS and TNG)... I could see a Fed Captain pleading this case to the UFP armada about needing new ships to combat the Klingon's military might....
    Member of the "Disenchanted"
    We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Yea Brothers remember, All things being equal......then its not STO but another MMO!
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

    R.I.P
  • sechserpackungsechserpackung Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    sunseahl wrote: »
    You know the funny thing is.... In the IP(somewhere between TOS and TNG)... I could see a Fed Captain pleading this case to the UFP armada about needing new ships to combat the Klingon's military might....

    From Path to 2409:
    And a Starfleet committee determined that because of retirements, deaths and the increasing demands of the Klingon war, Starfleet faced a severe shortage of qualified command personnel.

    I would say the Federation has been in a pretty bad shape, it just gets ignored by the devs :)
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    From Path to 2409:


    I would say the Federation has been in a pretty bad shape, it just gets ignored by the devs :)

    Good thing the Ferengi Consortium came along and rescued them, huh?
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

    R.I.P
  • sechserpackungsechserpackung Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Good thing the Ferengi Consortium came along and rescued them, huh?

    "Rescued"

    I don?t think the Federation will like to see the checks once they start rolling in.

    They?ll probably have an open vote to surrender to the Klingons to get out of their debt. Which will win in a landslide victory with over 80% approval to the plan :D
  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I hereby express my support for this thread! :D
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  • bblbrxbblbrx Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Sorry to break it down to u PvE player, but ur points are highly flawed.

    Mmm I'm mainly a PvP player and I'm pretty sur a lot of you guys met me in some arena and cap&hold... so ...
    Funny how u mention ''Nothing for the other right? Fellas'' maybe u should go on the Fed threads and say that. again How many C-store stuff came out for the KDF in the past year compare to the Fed and Romulans C-store stuff?

    KDF players are asking for more of a balance, NOT ''we want more this and that than the Feds'' which is something u try to stir up.

    and
    #2. They only added a few exculsive featured episodes during 3 years that KDF players have asked for them, but only at the time when they made the Romulan Expansion they came out pre-level 20 missions for KDF. also i don't see any KDF players complaining about adding more Foundry missions or Event's since ANYONE can use them.

    Funny, you just told me that this is not about having exclusive KDF content but you complain about the lake of exclusive KDF content... seems a little bit confuse to me. It has always been the point of those complain : jealousy. We had a lot of Tier 5 starship since the begin of the game (and the recents lock box, event and season give us a lot more choice with fleet ship, temporals, etc... of cours, most of them are not KDF only, so... I see your point :p ).
    Maybe next time u post, u should look up what KDF players are acutally posting about b4 u starting posting nonsense that does not relate to the topic.

    I might be wrong, but this post is about how much KDF player feel disenchented, I feel not so I guess my post is 100% related to the topic, if not, maybe you should advice people that only post of disenchanted ppl are allowed here.
    Cardassian "Pirate-Adventurer-Flirty" Captain Zerf "Bob" Burpoowheel
    From the impressive Star-Sloop Obsidian Shrike
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    thats funny because if half of yall bother to watch the shows, youll find that theres plenty of non-human captains. :rolleyes:
    no limits of the show are being broken.

    You don't know what I mean do you? I am talking about the main cast because that was the focus of the shows.
    You want things to be in the shows, look at the shows' credits.
    That would be Hunter as Pike, Shatner as Kirk, Stewart as Picard, Brooks as Sisko, Mulgrew as Janeway and Backula as Archer. Which one of these was not human?
    Also, the number of non-human Starfleet captains was lower than that of Klingons captains we see in the shows.

    Oh, BTW this is not a TV show. So why compare it to a TV show when it actually makes more sense to compare it to other computer games with more than one faction. Like the SFC series, the Armada series or "Birth of the Federation"...in which of these does the Federation have roughly as many different ships as the other sides put together? None. What a shocker.
  • drowrulesupremedrowrulesupreme Member Posts: 692 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    bblbrx wrote: »
    Funny, you just told me that this is not about having exclusive KDF content but you complain about the lake of exclusive KDF content... seems a little bit confuse to me. It has always been the point of those complain : jealousy. We had a lot of Tier 5 starship since the begin of the game (and the recents lock box, event and season give us a lot more choice with fleet ship, temporals, etc... of cours, most of them are not KDF only, so... I see your point :p ).



    I might be wrong, but this post is about how much KDF player feel disenchented, I feel not so I guess my post is 100% related to the topic, if not, maybe you should advice people that only post of disenchanted ppl are allowed here.

    You are, of course, welcome to not feel Disenchanted. And I'm glad that you're not. Really. But you are in a minority of a minority here.

    Of all the posts here, you choose to latch onto the one which gives you ammunition instead of those which cogently state why they are Disenchanted. Funny, that.
    Try starting from the beginning... and by that I mean the original Disenchanted thread and then this one. See where the players who were, and still are, Disenchanted are coming from. Some of us are happier with things now than we have been for a long time, but we remain saddened by what seems a real lack of attention overall to the KDF.

    Yes, many of us would like more attention paid to the rehashed (originally Fed only) missions that have been added to the KDF mission list. Being called a Federation captain when you are a Gorn, Lethean, Klingon or Orion is a little annoying. Admittedly, this is minor, but surely it should be a minor fix also. You have 2 Security Officers standing next to each other on DS9 and they know a Klingon captain when they see one...
    Many of us are overjoyed by the new Klingon tutorial, but some see it as 3 years too late. I see their point, but a positive change is just that... positive.

    Are we asking for more content? Yes. Are the Feds asking for more content? Yes, also. Are we less entitled to want more endgame, STFs and fun missions in general than Fed/Rom players? Nope. Are we more entitled? Nope, again. But we can ask all the same.

    Would we like more C-Store ships? You bet your fur we do. We want the new KDF ship the devs have said is 1/2 finished already (but were too busy doing Voth ships to finish, despite finding time to do the "new avenger" for the Feds :rolleyes:). We want the K'Vort (TNGs most prolific Klingon ship until the Vor'cha came along). We want a 5 fore-weapon slot ship (feds have 2 (4 if you count a 3 pack separately, which I don't) we have the Bortas'qu... yeah, thanks for that Cryptic :rolleyes:). We want a 5 tac-console ship too please. And maybe a science ship we can shield-tank in, like the feds. What about a Ferasan answer to the Caitian Atrox? We want to buy these things, so we're not asking for handouts.

    And what about C-store costumes? How many do the Feds have? Count them. Seriously, count them. Now do the same for the Romulans. Now do the same for the Klingons. Now recount the Klingon one again. How many do the KDF have again? And no off-duty costume options either.

    I love playing my KDF characters more than my Fed ones. I will roll all future Romulans/Remans to be KDF also (I have one fed/rom and it's boring, to me). I love our tutorial. I love the ships we have (mostly, Marauder, I'm looking at you, you fat lump :mad:).

    As I said in my earlier posts, I remain Disenchanted. Hopeful, and expectant, but Disenchanted. I have that right. As you have your right to be content with what you have.
    You can choose to participate with Disenchantment, or constructively point out the good we have, but picking holes in the posts of others is hardly constructive.
    You incorrectly assume jealousy as our motive. We do not want Fed Escorts. We do not want tuxedos (well, one or too do but they want a top-hat and monocle for their Gorn too). Not jealousy as we don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while. Jealousy? Nope. Sorry, poor choice of words. It is not always the point of those who complain. A doctor sews a sponge in you by mistake during surgery? You complain out of malpractice and pain, not jealousy. You trip over a kerb, you complain to the council out of anger and concern, not jealousy. You see someone being sold something, you would like to buy something similar in a different flavour/colour but the vendor says there isn't any money in doing that for you... discrimination, not jealousy.

    We want exclusive KDF content, yes, but you choose to read that as missions... many of us see that as ships, costumes, weapon consoles, being referred to as a KDF captain in missions (see also Romulan captains complaining when Romulan NPCs refer to them as Federation captains regardless of which alliance they chose, KDF or Fed) and so many little things.

    As I said, I am glad you are happy/content, but our peaceful protest is for those of us who are not. We choose to wear the title, but we're not forcing anyone to do anything they don't want to do, that would be counter-productive. But when in game now, you may see the title and wonder... "Is that player Disenchanted with the state of the KDF or just proud of gaining that accolade?" It gets you thinking. And that's what we hope to achieve from the devs when they go in game to Qo'nos and see so many of us... "Are they really so Disenchanted? I wonder why that is?"
    "...we are far more united and have far more in common with each other than the things that divide us.”
    Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016

  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,944 Arc User
    edited October 2013

    [SNIP] for length. :)

    Very well said. A very good post. I completely agree, couldn't have said it better myself from A to Z. :)
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Everything Drowrulessupreme says with a bag of chips.
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

    R.I.P
  • sunseahlsunseahl Member Posts: 824 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent and passionate belief that enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.

    This... In Neon Lights, this.... It is Disenchanted Sig-Worthy.
    Member of the "Disenchanted"
    We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while. Jealousy? Nope. Sorry, poor choice of words. It is not always the point of those who complain. A doctor sews a sponge in you by mistake during surgery? You complain out of malpractice and pain, not jealousy. You trip over a kerb, you complain to the council out of anger and concern, not jealousy. You see someone being sold something, you would like to buy something similar in a different flavour/colour but the vendor says there isn't any money in doing that for you... discrimination, not jealousy.

    We want exclusive KDF content, yes, but you choose to read that as missions... many of us see that as ships, costumes, weapon consoles, being referred to as a KDF captain in missions (see also Romulan captains complaining when Romulan NPCs refer to them as Federation captains regardless of which alliance they chose, KDF or Fed) and so many little things.

    Here here! Agreed on all of these points. Let me add that the KDF playerbase also wants the older tier 5 ships to be revamped. That could mean that something like cruiser commands is implemented for the KDF or something else.
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