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The NEW 'Disenchanted' - a polite appeal to KDF players Thread
bubblygumsworth
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The last one was locked and some of us got in trouble for "necroing" a 30 day old thread. I'm no longer necroing it, I'm just Rebooting it... like our old friend JJ.
So please, if you dont know what the hell is going on - go check out the 'Disenchanted' - a polite appeal to KDF players Thread.
Qapla'! Warriors of the Empire!
So please, if you dont know what the hell is going on - go check out the 'Disenchanted' - a polite appeal to KDF players Thread.
Qapla'! Warriors of the Empire!
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R.I.P
As a primarily KDF player , I am pretty happy at the moment. Not disenchanted at all.
Stahl promised us that he cared about getting Leveling content in the game so we could have KDF characters from Level 1. He talked about how it was important to him.
He endured mountains of TRIBBLE and smack talk from the community for a long time, and when they both had the time and money to get it done. They did. It's pretty well known that the EP (Stahl) worked overtime hours just to get it done.
The original thread was about "DIRE need" of content and Dev attention.
So, the new episodes obviously don't count as content for you.
And the fact that the EP worked overtime , 6 days a week to provide the content doesn't show any DEV attention for you.
Please, explain why I should still be "disenchanted" (I never was), with the game?
Is it because they (the company/cryptic) set priorities based on what is going to keep them making money and therefore still have a game they can work on, and those priorities don't match what you think should be going on ? If so, http://crypticstudios.com/openings.
Please apply, get on the team, and see how many of your priorities and ideas make it to the top of the "To Do" list.
I am asking honestly here.
Why should I be "Disenchanted" ?
Then let KDF aligned characters participate in events before level 21. It's utter nonsense that hasn't been corrected to this point.
It's subjective, like you implied. My sour grapes are with the inconsistencies like that.
OP wants exclusive content, or the very least would like some equality in what is being released.
If it works for you, don't be disenchanted, you're under no obligation to concur or participate.
Yes, we got a new tutorial (arguably better than the Romulan one IMO) and early levelling content. This was long overdue and welcomed by almost all I have chatted in-game with and read in forum. The re-working of existing KDF content was well received as well.
The "reworking" of existing content, such as the Cardassian Arc, however, was not well done at all (we give back the Rapier? wth?) and could have used more polish to make it work from the KDF (or even Romulan) side of things. I appreciate more to do with my KDF characters, I just feel it would not have required much more effort to make it better.
Yes, we got 2 new early level BoPs for new players to play with, and these are appreciated. The D'Gavama is the best looking BoP I've seen. But, we cannot use its skin for later BoPs or Fleet BoPs. We still lack a Klingon sci ship and only 2 of the ships we buy give a discount on the fleet version (B'Rel and Varanus, if memory serves). The next KDF ship DStahl "promised" was due before the end of this year but is now slated for release NEXT year sometime (despite the Lead Designer admitting it is already 1/2 finished). Many of the allied KDF ships do not have alternate skins (unlike the Fed side which can alter the skins on almost every class of ship available). The skins are largely cosmetic, but would we not buy them if we had option? I think we would. So, the last KDF ship capable of being used in the end-game is the Bortas'qu from the 2nd anniversary and the 3-pack from about 1 month later.
And still no K'Vort in game despite it being one of the most iconic Klingon ships of TNG.
Klingons have few, if any, off-duty options (mercenary, winter coats, scarves, Risian stuff) and almost all of these are shared. We still await greatcoats, fingerless gloves (which the Romulans have!!) and many other options. We cannot show kit visuals because the devs did not plan for us to have them without clipping badly with clothing options. Still no Mek'leth or D'k tahg.
(I believe more melee weapon options should be in game already, such as the Kar'takin and bayonet for Jem'Hadar rifles, Ushaan-tor for Andorians, Teral'n for Romulans and a Katana for Humans so more ground-based missions could be made where energy weapons would not work).
Romulans gain another tactical ship... with a hangar no less... despite being top-heavy with tac ships already. I feel for Romulan players, I do. They gain a faction-specific escort carrier (of sorts) which they did not ask for and many feel do not need. The Klingons have the Vo'quv, Karfi and Marauder. Don't get me wrong, I love my Vo'quv and it is a sci-heavy nightmare in PvE, but why no Ferasan version of the Feds Caitian Atrox? Why no escort carrier for the KDF? Why no 5 tac-console ships in the KDF line-up? We are a race of warriors but have only the Tac-Bortas with this set-up? Why no 5 forward facing weapon ships? Both the Feds and Romulans have this, why not the obvious race of warriors?
Am I disenchanted? Not as much as I was. I remain disheartened by what I read about the future of the KDF and I remain hopeful that we will begin to get the treatment we deserve as loyal players.
So, I shall be retaining the title of Disenchanted on my KDF characters for the time being.
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
I'm still flying the Disenchanted (the first felk'ri mission bugs out on me so no title)...have been pre lor, still flying it now, more so due to the power creep travesty that is the romulan faction and its effect on the kdf (that I called the moment the devs started to spool out details - although even I didn't expect dual space trait boffs as standard...I want the pharmaceuticals the devs must have been taking during that design meeting)
At the least every bop and raptor needs balance check (as lets face it, the rommies won't get nerfed) and the romulan space traits need to come over to the 'true' fed/kdf to begin with
Get the Forums Enhancement Extension!
It keeps my blood pressure low and does not cast the KDF in the once role of "hated filled" thread creators.
This is why I still support the disenchanted title over TRIBBLE and bile threads.
R.I.P
Oh so much ^This^.
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
Agreed. It's a passive push towards improving the KDF.
Missing the good ol' days of PvP: Legacy of Romulus to Season 9
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I forgot all of this, i was really blind after LoR, Thanks for reminder this
Thank you for come back the thread... the thread was missing for me...
I continue support, today when i back to house, i rename all fed ships and all titles of my toons
I think most of you ppl actually aren't conscious of several things.
All of this content and everything in the game is themed in a CBS franchise, ergo approval is most likely needed. Which in turn might warrant limits to the margin of maneuver, creative wise, cryptic staff may have, mainly game Devs.
Which leads me to the second point, considering this is a free to play game, at best, Cryptic will have a "Skeletal crew" with work up to their elbows sorting stuff out so the game is "manageable". It is not possible on a limited budget of a F2P model to expect a staff numbering 100 and working out every kink in the game as soon as it pops, its not possible.
Honestly I dont remember much the game as it was at launch since I played it ever so briefly and manage to lose the serial to link the original account to this one. This is another example of what they have to manage, customer support.
What I'd like to see in game from my old memories of this game is alot more ship options regarding mainly KDF and Romulans (the free kind preferably because the paid ones abound).
I remember leveling up to vice admiral and think.... "hm, which one to choose..." that's what's lacking here.
So I picked up a Negh'var, skinned it as a Qu'Daj (sorry if I misspelled it) played it for a bit and thought... meh I need 1 more tactical slot in here instead of that extra engineer. If there's that option in game, well I cant access it from where I stand, So since I can make neither a cannon focused negh'ver or beam with BA:WO on a possible tactical 3rd slot I just chucked it, picked up a mirror vo'quv and have been getting mostly 1st or 2nd place on Crystaline entity for example.
On a side note, for example:
I just leveled to 50 a KDF engineer that I love to play, I have found out more leveling it than I did on fed side, federation has too many side stories or episodes, name them as you please. Streamlining is good, ppl come home from work want to have a somewhat smooth yet challenging experience (I only play on elite, for that "NIIIIARRRGH!" moment xD ). Tutorials are there for a reason BUT, I'd suggest a tutorial on gathering crafting resources, I just started dabbling in it and I really dont know where to go to get the lower level particles to increase my crafting level its because there are the normal clusters and the Lt. General.
Most ppl tend to ignore tutorials as a nuisance, make them as interactive as possible with real rewards for discovering the correct procedure.
There's a saying that a ship is only as good as its captain... so why the respec cost for real money, why not implement it as a reasonable escalating (with a cap) dillithium cost, in the end it actually affects a player that plans to exchage his dillithum for Zen, but since his character is underperforming he has to make the choice. And if he player gets his character's spec right then the likelyhood of him sticking around and spending actual money in the game increases.
Beam Array: Fire At Will III *off*
It's odd. You started out your post as though you were going to have a massive go at the other posters in this thread with your line about us not considering several things then you only really mention 2 things we could be forgetting before discussing your experience and ideas. Confused me for a mo'.
Anyway, the thing is, we aren't being blind to what the state of the game in general is, nor the state of Cryptic/PWE. We are noting what gets implemented, and for who, and find that we have gone from being second of 2 to third of 3 in terms of the investment of time on ships, costume options, Bridge Officer Traits and many other areas. We want parity. We want comparable investment, and offer the same in return. Make a K'Vort and I buy it. I subbed before LoR and bought the LoR starter pack, I've bought zen... in short I spend. But, and I know I shouldn't start a sentence with but, I would spend MORE to get what I want and what I want is KDF-themed.
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
I thought that CBS primarily has to approve the "hard content" - ships, staff, etc., while the "soft" content, such as the story itself etc., is more-or-less in the hands of Cryptic barring anything crazy-stupid (Hippie Borg throwing block party? Stuffed. Hippie Borg assimilating everyone even non-hippie borg? Probably gonna fly...)
Feds have it best at 6 T5 "freebie" ships - escort, cruiser, science - with "alternating" secondaries (Tac w/more engie, tac w/more science, sci w/more tac, sci w/more engie etc.). Roms have 3 "free" - escort, sci, cruiser, and to get the "alternate secondary" they need to buy the mirror version off the exchange. KDF has what, 2-3 cruisers, raider, BoP? And the selections haven't improved much since I joined over a year ago shortly after F2P...
People do better with certain layouts. I do great in the advanced escort (freebie with sci leaning), my buddy dies in that but loves the Patrol Escort (freebie with engie leaning). To each their own...
I know Feds have a side-quest tutorial to learn basic crafting. Does KDF have one as part of it's new improved training? I know they "didn't need it before" when they had the L25 introduction...
Don't forget Dil-Zen exchange. That way doesn't even have an escalating cost...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
The biggest issue IMO is the balance between Klingons and Romulans. The Roms ran roughshod over the Klingons' former dominance in cloaking - rightly so, but the KDF has nothing to really counterbalance. It would be nice to feel as though I wasn't hamstringing myself by having a Klingon / Gorn crew rather than filling it with Romulans.
This is one reason why the BoP is relatively unchanged over the last 120 years.
They love a proven asset but are not unwilling to increase said assets capabilities.
Frankly the Devs do not give enough credit or ingame depth to the Klingons and thier vessels.
We are not a stagnant society that does not adapt to the changing universe... Or as Kirk once said, " Barbarians do not have Star Empires..."
R.I.P
This is where I am, also.
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No new ships.
They have been promising this neghvar for 2 years. And I can guarantee they will bortasq it. By that I mean release a ship that prior to being released was told from players who tested it that it was junk. Cryptic didn't fix it, they nerfed it so that it was more junk than before. Then cryptic complained that nobody is buying it and then said that there is no point in putting more resources into making more ships.
Its like telling someone not to touch a hot stove and they touch it. Then they cry.
Other than that, bug wise, we have just as much to complain about than everyone else.
I think a better way to protest is for the entire KDF to lock Kerrat down completley until we are given something else to do to keep us occupied
What else would I like to see? More factional oriented content. What do I mean? I would really love to see content with a more Orion oriented set of pursuits, or Lethean, or Nausicaan or Gorn. These factions are important in the series of the game, and in the storyline being presented. I'd love to see story that focuses on them, and maybe their interaction within the Empire, giving a sense for a feeling of their points of view, what they're doing, why they're in the Empire, what inspires them etc.
As a comment to this I'd like to say I'm not discenchanted so much as Ever-Hopeful. The Klingon faction is ripe and pregnant with so many great things that could be fleshed out and expanded. I think most of us are just hopeful they press it forward a bit. In all honestly theres' some things I wishthey did more Fed side. Like rethinking Science vessels, or making Andoria come alive, How about putting Tellar Prime on the map? What about the systems with a few of the other important races like the Benzites, Bolians or Betazeds (Sorry I wanted to be alliterative). I think a lot of us aren't filled with vitriol so much as hope, or in some cases frustration with certain things. This is the FORUM for that :P
I like this idea!
R.I.P
The previous thread also suggested Soldier of the Empire as an alternative title as this is also available to FED players wanting to show support.
Whilst I appreciate the enthusiasm, and personally would LMAO at the FEDs whining that they were getting roflstomped all day long, the original intent behind the Disenchanted title was to show support in a way that was not "game-breaking" or harmful/offensive to other players. Constant annihilation of FED players in Kerrat would certainly get the attention of many, but at what cost?
Disenchanted is a title we bear in every instance, zone, room and combat we enter. It is a badge we wear with pride. I will go out of my way to heal/support a player bearing the title as I know he/she/it(:D) is a kindred. My KDF fleet is called 18 Percent, as that is how we as a collective of players are often portrayed by Cryptic (and someone else took Disenchanted before I could :cool:). Every toon that joins is politely asked to show support by wearing the title.
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
I've stopped playing STO entirely at this point.
I have an LTM, but I bought that to support the game way back when and specificly to play Klingon. (I have one fed toon, thats it, just one)
The lack of attention over the last 4 1/2 years as a KDF player have been beyond beyond. But I stuck with it. WE finally got a tutorial, and some exclusive content to build a decent KDF story line. We still have issues with ships, and KDF exclusive bugs. that are pretty obviously low priority. And frankly we had to make a very big stink just to get that much.
We got thrown a bone... it was pretty meaty as bones go that we've been thrown by the STO dev team.. and it was long long LONG over due.
I notice we don't even seem to have a whole lot of FED trolls wandering into the KDF forums section any more. (I just spent several hours parusing..damd there are a lot of Necro threads now.)
I don't know what the Klingon player count is like these days. Cryptic never says TRIBBLE about 'em unless its after the fact.. and NEVER provide hard numbers... what they call their "Metrics" (which strikes me as a amazingly stupid policy considering STO really is way down the list on MMO player population and even further down the list on over all meter of the product... If you want to enlist your fan base... especially trek fans, you don't go telling them falsehoods or making up facts. Communications from certain members of the dev team have been amazingly deceptive, and dessemulative over the years.)
I don't object to Crypic making money.. that is after all WHY they do what they do.. Its not out of the goodness of their hearts. Its for a paycheck.. Like any job, being able to love your work is a bonus. But, this is America here, and being able to love your work is not an essential job perk.
I've given my ultimate vote on how Cryptic studio's has handled its product. On hows it treated loyal customers after 4 plus years that have generously dipped into thier pockets.
I've stopped giving them money, and when I get asked about what I think of STO as an MMO I tell the facts, and give my version of the truth.
"It stinks, the company model is entirely about greed. Overall the game has fairly lack luster game play with bloated obtuse game mechanics that is suffering heavily from stat creap. High end player content is loaded with obscure puzzle play that follows a pre programed script like a frieght train locked onto its tracks in typical fantasy MMO fashion.
It does have some exclusive mini games built into the main play but even those are starting to suffer heavily from stat creep. If your a trek fan, then its the only game in town for the forseable future. But it is far from being a first water MMO for a great many reasons. A lack of daring and boldness on the part of the executive team for the product, and a level of greed aimed soak thier customers for thier moeny that would make a Ferengi blanch in shock while delivering what is overall a very sub par product "
SO I am still firmly in the disenchated dept. I'll check back in once in a while with this game to see if theres been any real changes or improvements. But in retrospec and in all considered observation of STO development of KDF content and game play I honestly don't think that Cryptic is going to truely devote any more development into filling in the holes in the KDF ecperience and fixing some of the still major outstanding bugs any time soon. Play balance is a joke, and the factions players are now pretty much being told in all but words..
"Your job is to be the bad guys and get your TRIBBLE kicked by the good guys. The Federation faction is going to get the very best ships, and the perks, and the advantages. The KDF players are not. And if you go out there and get your but kicked like a good bad guy we might throw something cool your way as long as it doesn't give you an advantage"
I'm tired of that attitude from cryptic studio's. My money goes to other games now.
Maybe when they start thinking like GAME DESIGNERS, with a concern for game balance, I might come back to playing STO. But I continue to see that the KDF faction is not recieving the ship types and lay outs to be competitive in PvP play (even if they are stuck with using existing art work) in spite of KDF players damd near getting on their knees and begging for some attention in that department.
KDF players are interested in KLINGON and KLINGON ALLIED content. They want ships that are better then what they have.. the Faction has gotten NO ships since the Bort, and some fleet ships.. but there are distinct bugs with ship skins and customization. The Faction wants more character costumes variety (just because!) progress there make geologic age look fast! There are also several outstanding costume bugs that have been in the game since launch. Persistant territorial PvP on an epic scale has been asked for since launch. Apparent progress has been somewhat south of nill. (asked by both main factions I might add)
I've gotten more and more critical of STO over the years to the point I just don't enjoy playing it anymore.
Disenchated just doesnt begin to say it.
I'll keep checking in once in a while. And I will log in and play the game when they pop the new season out. But its going to be awhile untill Cryptic gets any more money from me.
Now back to playing MMO's I actually enjoy..
Pachem!
Khemaraa Iron Hand sends.
Its sad. A great opportunity not given the riegns to run.
R.I.P
I'm also sorry that I haven't seen the original OP of this thread around here in quite a while.
When you say OP, do you mean the first thread's OP, or this one? Bubbly is still around...
If Cryptic acted more like Blizzard, BioWare or AreaNet with their games and the factions in them... maybe Cryptic they would have more of a fan base instead driving people out which they're doing to Klingon fans.