Funny, you just told me that this is not about having exclusive KDF content but you complain about the lake of exclusive KDF content... seems a little bit confuse to me. It has always been the point of those complain : jealousy. We had a lot of Tier 5 starship since the begin of the game (and the recents lock box, event and season give us a lot more choice with fleet ship, temporals, etc... of cours, most of them are not KDF only, so... I see your point ).
I might be wrong, but this post is about how much KDF player feel disenchented, I feel not so I guess my post is 100% related to the topic, if not, maybe you should advice people that only post of disenchanted ppl are allowed here.
Funny, What ur view of lake of KDF content? a few hand outs for the KDF while the Feds having dozens or more new content without giving the KDF anything in between except when it suit Cryptic?
Again i said KDF players are asking more of a balance of factions, don't try to twist things saying that KDF players want more than Feds.
Well, This is no longer the Beginning of the game... isn't it. what u claim ''Jealousy'' many of us claim as facts, when it comes to Tier 5 ships the KDF ships are outnumbered in classes and outmatched by the newer Fed ships C-store/Fleet Ships, even the Romulans outnumbered the KDF in Tier 5 C-store ship line and they been out for a half a year.... thats a Fact!
Can u explain why most KDF ingame bugs are not fixed yet or not fixed at all compare to the Fed/Rommie factions? or maybe u have not notice it?
Again as i said b4, what ''Events'' have to do with anything since they're universal to all factions.
Seriously, what Lock Box ships have to do with anything to even up Factions in this game... they're nothing more than power creep foreign alien ship designs, nothing indigenous to these factions at all, even the Temporal ships are not indigenous to this timeline.
100% seriously, more like 20%... you're allowed to post anything u want, but saying everthing is fine as it is, is just deluded... defeatist attitudes like this is why the game is currently as it is now... totally unblanced between factions.
thats funny because if half of yall bother to watch the shows, youll find that theres plenty of non-human captains. :rolleyes:
Name one that was more than a "once seen and gone" bit character for the federation? I think that was misterde3's point.
STO is hardly canon by any twisted, altered or rescripted definition of the word so why should any faction, let alone the KDF, suffer under a false sense of canonism?
In a perfect world (lol irony) kdf would have just as much content as feds and romulans. Unfortunately this isn't a perfect world, it is a world dominated by the bottom line. The kdf simply isn't as profitable as the feds or the romulans, hence why there is lesser content for the kdf. Other than getting more players to bolster your population and sales figures, I don't ever see that changing.
This isn't meant as a troll or flame, merely a statement of business practices and facts.
In a perfect world (lol irony) kdf would have just as much content as feds and romulans. Unfortunately this isn't a perfect world, it is a world dominated by the bottom line. The kdf simply isn't as profitable as the feds or the romulans, hence why there is lesser content for the kdf. Other than getting more players to bolster your population and sales figures, I don't ever see that changing.
This isn't meant as a troll or flame, merely a statement of business practices and facts.
Interesting, Maybe the KDF isn't as profitable since there is nothing left to buy in the past 2 years!
Facts
- Tier 5 ships like the B'rel Retrofit, Garumba Seige Destroyer, Kar'fi Carrier did sell well b4 the game went F2P.
- Bortasqu' was the ONLY Teir 5 C-store KDF ship came out on the C-store since the game went F2P.
- There is only 1 KDF C-store Outfit in the past 3+ years, the Romulan have 3 in the past 6 months.
- Feds have 3 times more Tier 5 C-store ships which 6-7 of them came out after the Bortasqu'
- Romulans have more Tier 5 C-store ships than KDF, they've been out only for 6 months.
This isn't meant as a troll or flame, merely a statement of incompetent bias of Cryptic business practices and facts as they're Dev's only play as the Federation/Fedmulans.
If Cryptic have thought more out of the box for the KDF faction, like making a Tier 5 Ferasan ship similar like they made a Caitian Carrier for Feds or new indigenous KDF destroyer or an a more powerful Raptor 3-pack with good stats or anything maybe they can make money like better outfits which i know many who are willing to buy. besides if they have released a Tier 5 KDF C-store Battle Cruiser in the past 2 year after the Bortasqu' with the stats same as any KDF ships, it would not sell well becuase in these past 2 years Escorts dominated this game.
They did not even test the waters by making any new indigenous C-store KDF ship after releasing so many Fed/Rom and lock box ships, how could they know it would sell well or not... 2 years is a long time in MMO terms.
In a perfect world (lol irony) kdf would have just as much content as feds and romulans. Unfortunately this isn't a perfect world, it is a world dominated by the bottom line. The kdf simply isn't as profitable as the feds or the romulans, hence why there is lesser content for the kdf. Other than getting more players to bolster your population and sales figures, I don't ever see that changing.
This isn't meant as a troll or flame, merely a statement of business practices and facts.
Not trying to make the most money from ALL your customers, is a bad business practice.
If a third of your client?le don't have access to things they would likely purchase (in STO terms - uniform options, an assortment of ships to choose from, Female Nausicaans/Gorn/Letheans for example) and you as a business simply decide not to market said items then you have failed to get the most money from your customers. Also potentially causing that sector of your market to not grow in the future, if you don't cause said customers to take their money somewhere else, thus limiting your future potential income.
Using the often quoted 18% say the STO population is 100,000 for example = 18,000 kdf players if we go by their numbers of 18%.
500 zen costume x 18,000 = 9,000,000 zen or $90,000, multiple costumes = more $
2500 zen ship x 9,000 = 22,500,000 zen or $225,000, multiple ships = more $
Uniform options are sorely missed kdf side especially if you are used to all the unlocks you CAN purchase fed side, they could probably make more money in the short term by releasing kdf uniforms in the C-store and then add in some of the STO NPC ships as refits (with certain ones thrown in as free leveling upgrades) with a T5 Retrofit option. Maybe a 2pc bonus for equipping the consoles from the refit and retrofit, encouraging sales of both ships. In addition to some original designs, which we know they can put out some nice ships when they are inclined to do so.
Thus ending the stupid Bortasqu' circular argument:
1. We build a kdf battlecruiser with the worse turn of any kdf battlecruiser, it amazingly didn't sell well :eek:,
2. We think we lost money :eek:
3. Before thinking of designing ANY new items for kdf, please refer to 1.
merely a statement of business practices and facts.
Not trying to make the most money from ALL your customers, is a bad business practice.
If a third of your client?le don't have access to things they would likely purchase (in STO terms - uniform options, an assortment of ships to choose from, Female Nausicaans/Gorn/Letheans for example) and you as a business simply decide not to market said items then you have failed to get the most money from your customers. Also potentially causing that sector of your market to not grow in the future, if you don't cause said customers to take their money somewhere else, thus limiting your future potential income.
Using the often quoted 18% say the STO population is 100,000 for example = 18,000 kdf players if we go by their numbers of 18%.
500 zen costume x 18,000 = 9,000,000 zen or $90,000, multiple costumes = more $
2500 zen ship x 9,000 = 22,500,000 zen or $225,000, multiple ships = more $
Uniform options are sorely missed kdf side especially if you are used to all the unlocks you CAN purchase fed side, they could probably make more money in the short term by releasing kdf uniforms in the C-store and then add in some of the STO NPC ships as refits (with certain ones thrown in as free leveling upgrades) with a T5 Retrofit option. Maybe a 2pc bonus for equipping the consoles from the refit and retrofit, encouraging sales of both ships. In addition to some original designs, which we know they can put out some nice ships when they are inclined to do so.
Thus ending the stupid Bortasqu' circular argument:
1. We build a kdf battlecruiser with the worse turn of any kdf battlecruiser, it amazingly didn't sell well :eek:,
2. We think we lost money :eek:
3. Before thinking of designing ANY new items for kdf, please refer to 1.
merely a statement of business practices and facts.
Amen!
No real world (walmart, microsoft, apple etc.) major company would ever ignore 1/5 of their client base such as Cyrptic/Perfect World has. I have only been playing a few months but its long enough to see we KDF get the shaft. Yes, I have a Fed player, there is a TON of options if I wanted to buy one; but I dont want a fed ship. I want me a good new Klingon Battle Cruiser. Who cares if it was never shown on TV or have been technologically behind as some players have stated in different threads. This is post Dominion war and a video game. Make a completely new/ experimental ship if you must. Just something with decent stats and uniqueness to only the KDF.
I use to do 100K DPS, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
Your Ramming Speed III deals 242658 (243540) Kinetic Damage (Critical) to you.
Using the often quoted 18% say the STO population is 100,000 for example = 18,000 kdf players if we go by their numbers of 18%.
500 zen costume x 18,000 = 9,000,000 zen or $90,000, multiple costumes = more $
2500 zen ship x 9,000 = 22,500,000 zen or $225,000, multiple ships = more $
That is assuming every kdf player bought every item that was produced by cryptic which brings us to the problem at hand. The stuff that is out is not being bought which costs cryptic money. Out of that 18% how many really buy KDF cstore stuff??? Only cryptic knows but by their statements that the KDF faction loses them money and that producing stuff for it is not a priority we can make an educated guess very little.
You can argue all you want that it is their fault from lack of interest, they don't dump enough resources into the faction, etc etc but the fact remains people can CHOOSE to play a Klingon from level 1 and there plenty of cstore items to buy. If people did both of those things by the mass you would see more content made for the KDF.
You, the player, have to show support to get support.
That is assuming every kdf player bought every item that was produced by cryptic which brings us to the problem at hand. The stuff that is out is not being bought which costs cryptic money. Out of that 18% how many really buy KDF cstore stuff??? Only cryptic knows but by their statements that the KDF faction loses them money and that producing stuff for it is not a priority we can make an educated guess very little.
You can argue all you want that it is their fault from lack of interest, they don't dump enough resources into the faction, etc etc but the fact remains people can CHOOSE to play a Klingon from level 1 and there plenty of cstore items to buy. If people did both of those things by the mass you would see more content made for the KDF.
You, the player, have to show support to get support.
The example given was IF the kdf population bought 1 uniform and half the kdf pop. bought 1 new ship = $315,000 hardly an insignificant amount of money.
The problem with your theory is this:
Cryptic store, what plenty of c-store kdf items to buy do you see?
I see a collection of kdf ships I bought long ago along with a uniform I bought long ago.
Most of the long time kdf players have bought the c-store ships for consoles/ship skins and our 1 Klingon academy uniform but without any NEW things to buy in 2 years how do you expect the kdf population to buy things we already own?
Without things to buy how to you entice players to play a faction?
Imagine if the situation was reversed and the kdf had all the uniforms/ships and story content (that was only recently remedied) that the fed players have had do you believe most players would ally with the faction without any content or the faction that had all the things to buy and story content? Especially if you had to invest in your kdf character till you were level 25 just to unlock fed play?
Consider the romulans now: I own the legacy pack and all the released c-store content for them if nothing further is released for them either will they then be said to not generate any revenue if nothing is added to them for 2 years?
Consider the Federation now: I also have all their content unlocked, so in essence the only revenue they get from me is with shiny things that come outta a lockbox now.
tl:dr - Long time kdf player have bought c-store items but you can only buy them once, without new things to buy no additional revenue is being generated.
You, the player, have to show support to get support.
No offense but are you stoned? support for what? there is nothing other than lockboxes KDF play...customers could possibly invest into.
No matter how much you try to sweet talk it, the error is on Cryptic's side,they cant sit back, take a coffee break and expect the KDF playerbase to finance their next car.
The kdf simply isn't as profitable as the feds or the romulans, hence why there is lesser content for the kdf.
... turn it the other way round. it is not profitable because they don't want it to be profitable. rommies on the other hand are designed to be profitable. they got lots of new toys and uber-powers.
if your a buisnessman u should know it's all about the right way to approach your customers. make them want the things u want (<- only word really counting ) to sell. just attach some extra-powers, boff-traits and such things and the people will get it.
same counts for old stuff that newer players might not consider to buy because it's outdated.
just revise it a bit. actually that should be much less work and probably more gain than creating something totally new.
either not wanted to offence, but u know: i just think that's not the best argument for ongoing kdf-bashing .
You guys have to remember the history of the "argument" against KDF content....
First it was "people don't play KDF" that was proved false by Cryptic's own metrics that at least 16% of us do...
Then came "KDF don't buy the ships we sell" which was disproven by the fact that about 75% of all KDF players own ALL the available KDF C/Z ships
Then, when any other argument was as obliterated as the Feds did the Doomsday, they started to admit we SHOULD get more content and then BOOM... Romulans...
now the argument is that "only Fed and Rommies pay the bills" .... because... you know... NO KDF players existed before the Romulan faction, apparently....
We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
"It stinks, the company model is entirely about greed. Overall the game has fairly lack luster game play with bloated obtuse game mechanics that is suffering heavily from stat creap. High end player content is loaded with obscure puzzle play that follows a pre programed script like a frieght train locked onto its tracks in typical fantasy MMO fashion.
It does have some exclusive mini games built into the main play but even those are starting to suffer heavily from stat creep. If your a trek fan, then its the only game in town for the forseable future. But it is far from being a first water MMO for a great many reasons. A lack of daring and boldness on the part of the executive team for the product, and a level of greed aimed soak thier customers for thier moeny that would make a Ferengi blanch in shock while delivering what is overall a very sub par product."
Amen and agreed, to an extent.
Anyway, forwards.
KDF got a bit of facelift, yes, finally - after years of asking for it, years too late tho. Most glaring issues the other people have already mentioned, so, not repeating the loooong list.
That is assuming every kdf player bought every item that was produced by cryptic which brings us to the problem at hand. The stuff that is out is not being bought which costs cryptic money. Out of that 18% how many really buy KDF cstore stuff??? Only cryptic knows but by their statements that the KDF faction loses them money and that producing stuff for it is not a priority we can make an educated guess very little.
You can argue all you want that it is their fault from lack of interest, they don't dump enough resources into the faction, etc etc but the fact remains people can CHOOSE to play a Klingon from level 1 and there plenty of cstore items to buy. If people did both of those things by the mass you would see more content made for the KDF.
You, the player, have to show support to get support.
In a perfect world (lol irony) kdf would have just as much content as feds and romulans. Unfortunately this isn't a perfect world, it is a world dominated by the bottom line. The kdf simply isn't as profitable as the feds or the romulans, hence why there is lesser content for the kdf. Other than getting more players to bolster your population and sales figures, I don't ever see that changing.
This isn't meant as a troll or flame, merely a statement of business practices and facts.
It would help if they actually made items the KDF fan base has asked for and wished to buy.
That is assuming every kdf player bought every item that was produced by cryptic which brings us to the problem at hand. The stuff that is out is not being bought which costs cryptic money. Out of that 18% how many really buy KDF cstore stuff??? Only cryptic knows but by their statements that the KDF faction loses them money and that producing stuff for it is not a priority we can make an educated guess very little.
You can argue all you want that it is their fault from lack of interest, they don't dump enough resources into the faction, etc etc but the fact remains people can CHOOSE to play a Klingon from level 1 and there plenty of cstore items to buy. If people did both of those things by the mass you would see more content made for the KDF.
You, the player, have to show support to get support.
I'm fairly certain I own everything that has been produced minus ony a few like the new low level ships and some feet shipsI'll compile a list.
I am still disenchanted all 4 of my klingon characters are
There is nothing to buy in the Cstore to cloth them
There are no new ships like a k'Vort battlecruiser to buy with stats like the avenger
I cant Q up with Fed allies to do content missions and the klingon only mission are nothing but a wait fest
The WAR between the feds and Klinks is a Total JOKE Remove it so we can play the GAME
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
As a UFP player (I'm primarily KDF)... are you content with the enemies you have to go up against?
The same ships all the time, run by the same predictable algorithms on the same maps, with the same tactics, never having to fight anything new?
The one thing I have noticed about our KDF side, is that the bulk of us playing KDF, are fiercely loyal to this faction. Any doofus can play the featured race that all of the shows and movies focused upon, but Star Trek isn't just about one race or faction. The shows focused on them, but Star Trek is a whole universe of races and factions and content, which opens up that universe when you place it into an MMO form.
It is no fun when the majority of the players on an MMO, are all playing for the same team.
Also KDF probably has a higher percentage of players who would purchase content than the UFP does. We're the type who want to immerse ourselves into a culture and identity that we aren't accustomed to playing, and give the UFP something worthy to go into battle against, than just another AI script.
Frankly, the fact that in the PvP's, we hold our own so much of the time, when we are clearly piloting inferior ships when compared to the UFP's options, that speaks volumes about the heart and commitment your typical KDF player has to the game.
We want to grow as well, and expand.
We can't do that.
It isn't about buying up the content already available to us. We've already done that. We don't have anywhere else to grow into, and we're waiting for the day when something new shows up for KDF, which many of us will pounce upon like a starving Klingon on a bucket of gagh!
Cryptic does have the opportunity to make a profit on the KDF. The profit isn't there right now, not because we're not buying, but because, we've run out of things to buy.
The ball is in their court, and the lack of profit from the KDF, at this point, is nobody's fault but their own. They have a significant chunk of their playerbase, just waiting to pounce, as soon as they finally come through... and bring us some fresh gagh!
Honestly... STO would be so much more fun, with more factions for people to play, instead of the main UFP-vs-NPC universe we have now (with a few exceptions).
Just a reminder for any KDF players wanting to show solidarity, but without access to the Disenchanted title, you can use the title Soldier of the Empire as an alternative.
The Disenchanted will greet you as a brother all the same and it's cheaper than renaming your ship/fleet.
Speaking of fleets, you could also join one of the many great KDF fleets flying the Disenchanted flag (e.g. Disenchanted, 18 Percent, etc.) and help to build these great fleets to show Cryptic that the Disenchanted will band together and not just go away.
"...we are far more united and have far more in common with each other than the things that divide us.”
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
Just a reminder for any KDF players wanting to show solidarity, but without access to the Disenchanted title, you can use the title Soldier of the Empire as an alternative.
The Disenchanted will greet you as a brother all the same and it's cheaper than renaming your ship/fleet.
Speaking of fleets, you could also join one of the many great KDF fleets flying the Disenchanted flag (e.g. Disenchanted, 18 Percent, etc.) and help to build these great fleets to show Cryptic that the Disenchanted will band together and not just go away.
As everyone is always saying that we are becoming extinct i named mine 1 of the few,,,,,wont let me use soldier of the empire says its to long,,,,,,,
As everyone is always saying that we are becoming extinct i named mine 1 of the few,,,,,wont let me use soldier of the empire says its to long,,,,,,,
You don't need to rename your char into "Solider of the Empire". That's a title the players get for defeating 100 Klingons I think, so you use it as a title if you have it and your char name remains whatever you chose it to be.
Sorry not my toon 1 of my ships, 1 of the others is named extinction,,,,,lol
Your ship you can name Disenchanted, the idea behind the Soldier of the Empire title is for people who have no access to the Disenchanted one, naming the ship is no issue as its short enough.
Just read that Geko thinks the K'Vort is a bad idea because it's size is not consistent (hello USS Defiant, apparently your size variance was not an issue) and he cannot justify a BoP turnrate on a Negh'var-sized ship (we didn't ask for one and it isn't THAT big). Instead, they may make something and call it a K'Vort (Vod'Leh all over again?) but we're more likely to get something else first. Also thinks a Ferasan ship should be some kind of mutant Atrox...
:rolleyes:
Disenchanted doesn't even cover it.
"...we are far more united and have far more in common with each other than the things that divide us.”
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
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O.N.E. and that's just a slight reskin...(EV Suit's do not count)
You almost get the feeling KDF players aren't spending any money on the game considering the treatment we get.
Oh good idea with the sig-worthy...
Funny, What ur view of lake of KDF content? a few hand outs for the KDF while the Feds having dozens or more new content without giving the KDF anything in between except when it suit Cryptic?
Again i said KDF players are asking more of a balance of factions, don't try to twist things saying that KDF players want more than Feds.
Well, This is no longer the Beginning of the game... isn't it. what u claim ''Jealousy'' many of us claim as facts, when it comes to Tier 5 ships the KDF ships are outnumbered in classes and outmatched by the newer Fed ships C-store/Fleet Ships, even the Romulans outnumbered the KDF in Tier 5 C-store ship line and they been out for a half a year.... thats a Fact!
Can u explain why most KDF ingame bugs are not fixed yet or not fixed at all compare to the Fed/Rommie factions? or maybe u have not notice it?
Again as i said b4, what ''Events'' have to do with anything since they're universal to all factions.
Seriously, what Lock Box ships have to do with anything to even up Factions in this game... they're nothing more than power creep foreign alien ship designs, nothing indigenous to these factions at all, even the Temporal ships are not indigenous to this timeline.
100% seriously, more like 20%... you're allowed to post anything u want, but saying everthing is fine as it is, is just deluded... defeatist attitudes like this is why the game is currently as it is now... totally unblanced between factions.
Name one that was more than a "once seen and gone" bit character for the federation? I think that was misterde3's point.
STO is hardly canon by any twisted, altered or rescripted definition of the word so why should any faction, let alone the KDF, suffer under a false sense of canonism?
R.I.P
This isn't meant as a troll or flame, merely a statement of business practices and facts.
Interesting, Maybe the KDF isn't as profitable since there is nothing left to buy in the past 2 years!
Facts
- Tier 5 ships like the B'rel Retrofit, Garumba Seige Destroyer, Kar'fi Carrier did sell well b4 the game went F2P.
- Bortasqu' was the ONLY Teir 5 C-store KDF ship came out on the C-store since the game went F2P.
- There is only 1 KDF C-store Outfit in the past 3+ years, the Romulan have 3 in the past 6 months.
- Feds have 3 times more Tier 5 C-store ships which 6-7 of them came out after the Bortasqu'
- Romulans have more Tier 5 C-store ships than KDF, they've been out only for 6 months.
This isn't meant as a troll or flame, merely a statement of incompetent bias of Cryptic business practices and facts as they're Dev's only play as the Federation/Fedmulans.
If Cryptic have thought more out of the box for the KDF faction, like making a Tier 5 Ferasan ship similar like they made a Caitian Carrier for Feds or new indigenous KDF destroyer or an a more powerful Raptor 3-pack with good stats or anything maybe they can make money like better outfits which i know many who are willing to buy. besides if they have released a Tier 5 KDF C-store Battle Cruiser in the past 2 year after the Bortasqu' with the stats same as any KDF ships, it would not sell well becuase in these past 2 years Escorts dominated this game.
They did not even test the waters by making any new indigenous C-store KDF ship after releasing so many Fed/Rom and lock box ships, how could they know it would sell well or not... 2 years is a long time in MMO terms.
Not trying to make the most money from ALL your customers, is a bad business practice.
If a third of your client?le don't have access to things they would likely purchase (in STO terms - uniform options, an assortment of ships to choose from, Female Nausicaans/Gorn/Letheans for example) and you as a business simply decide not to market said items then you have failed to get the most money from your customers. Also potentially causing that sector of your market to not grow in the future, if you don't cause said customers to take their money somewhere else, thus limiting your future potential income.
Using the often quoted 18% say the STO population is 100,000 for example = 18,000 kdf players if we go by their numbers of 18%.
500 zen costume x 18,000 = 9,000,000 zen or $90,000, multiple costumes = more $
2500 zen ship x 9,000 = 22,500,000 zen or $225,000, multiple ships = more $
Uniform options are sorely missed kdf side especially if you are used to all the unlocks you CAN purchase fed side, they could probably make more money in the short term by releasing kdf uniforms in the C-store and then add in some of the STO NPC ships as refits (with certain ones thrown in as free leveling upgrades) with a T5 Retrofit option. Maybe a 2pc bonus for equipping the consoles from the refit and retrofit, encouraging sales of both ships. In addition to some original designs, which we know they can put out some nice ships when they are inclined to do so.
Thus ending the stupid Bortasqu' circular argument:
1. We build a kdf battlecruiser with the worse turn of any kdf battlecruiser, it amazingly didn't sell well :eek:,
2. We think we lost money :eek:
3. Before thinking of designing ANY new items for kdf, please refer to 1.
merely a statement of business practices and facts.
Amen!
No real world (walmart, microsoft, apple etc.) major company would ever ignore 1/5 of their client base such as Cyrptic/Perfect World has. I have only been playing a few months but its long enough to see we KDF get the shaft. Yes, I have a Fed player, there is a TON of options if I wanted to buy one; but I dont want a fed ship. I want me a good new Klingon Battle Cruiser. Who cares if it was never shown on TV or have been technologically behind as some players have stated in different threads. This is post Dominion war and a video game. Make a completely new/ experimental ship if you must. Just something with decent stats and uniqueness to only the KDF.
Your Ramming Speed III deals 242658 (243540) Kinetic Damage (Critical) to you.
That is assuming every kdf player bought every item that was produced by cryptic which brings us to the problem at hand. The stuff that is out is not being bought which costs cryptic money. Out of that 18% how many really buy KDF cstore stuff??? Only cryptic knows but by their statements that the KDF faction loses them money and that producing stuff for it is not a priority we can make an educated guess very little.
You can argue all you want that it is their fault from lack of interest, they don't dump enough resources into the faction, etc etc but the fact remains people can CHOOSE to play a Klingon from level 1 and there plenty of cstore items to buy. If people did both of those things by the mass you would see more content made for the KDF.
You, the player, have to show support to get support.
The example given was IF the kdf population bought 1 uniform and half the kdf pop. bought 1 new ship = $315,000 hardly an insignificant amount of money.
The problem with your theory is this:
Cryptic store, what plenty of c-store kdf items to buy do you see?
I see a collection of kdf ships I bought long ago along with a uniform I bought long ago.
Most of the long time kdf players have bought the c-store ships for consoles/ship skins and our 1 Klingon academy uniform but without any NEW things to buy in 2 years how do you expect the kdf population to buy things we already own?
Without things to buy how to you entice players to play a faction?
Imagine if the situation was reversed and the kdf had all the uniforms/ships and story content (that was only recently remedied) that the fed players have had do you believe most players would ally with the faction without any content or the faction that had all the things to buy and story content? Especially if you had to invest in your kdf character till you were level 25 just to unlock fed play?
Consider the romulans now: I own the legacy pack and all the released c-store content for them if nothing further is released for them either will they then be said to not generate any revenue if nothing is added to them for 2 years?
Consider the Federation now: I also have all their content unlocked, so in essence the only revenue they get from me is with shiny things that come outta a lockbox now.
tl:dr - Long time kdf player have bought c-store items but you can only buy them once, without new things to buy no additional revenue is being generated.
No offense but are you stoned? support for what? there is nothing other than lockboxes KDF play...customers could possibly invest into.
No matter how much you try to sweet talk it, the error is on Cryptic's side,they cant sit back, take a coffee break and expect the KDF playerbase to finance their next car.
... turn it the other way round. it is not profitable because they don't want it to be profitable. rommies on the other hand are designed to be profitable. they got lots of new toys and uber-powers.
if your a buisnessman u should know it's all about the right way to approach your customers. make them want the things u want (<- only word really counting
same counts for old stuff that newer players might not consider to buy because it's outdated.
just revise it a bit. actually that should be much less work and probably more gain than creating something totally new.
either not wanted to offence, but u know: i just think that's not the best argument for ongoing kdf-bashing
First it was "people don't play KDF" that was proved false by Cryptic's own metrics that at least 16% of us do...
Then came "KDF don't buy the ships we sell" which was disproven by the fact that about 75% of all KDF players own ALL the available KDF C/Z ships
Then, when any other argument was as obliterated as the Feds did the Doomsday, they started to admit we SHOULD get more content and then BOOM... Romulans...
now the argument is that "only Fed and Rommies pay the bills" .... because... you know... NO KDF players existed before the Romulan faction, apparently....
Amen and agreed, to an extent.
Anyway, forwards.
KDF got a bit of facelift, yes, finally - after years of asking for it, years too late tho. Most glaring issues the other people have already mentioned, so, not repeating the loooong list.
I honestly never thought I'd ever type the following phrase on the internet:
ROFLMAO!!!!
You serious?
Bwhahahahahahaahah!!!!!
You havent been ingame very long have you?
R.I.P
It would help if they actually made items the KDF fan base has asked for and wished to buy.
R.I.P
still flying the same old ships i got when i reached level 50,,,,,but now with purple xii kit,,,,
not in a fleet.
I'm fairly certain I own everything that has been produced minus ony a few like the new low level ships and some feet shipsI'll compile a list.
R.I.P
There is nothing to buy in the Cstore to cloth them
There are no new ships like a k'Vort battlecruiser to buy with stats like the avenger
I cant Q up with Fed allies to do content missions and the klingon only mission are nothing but a wait fest
The WAR between the feds and Klinks is a Total JOKE Remove it so we can play the GAME
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Same for me, there are a few low level ships that I don't own mostly because I had long levelled past them before they saw the light of day.
As a UFP player (I'm primarily KDF)... are you content with the enemies you have to go up against?
The same ships all the time, run by the same predictable algorithms on the same maps, with the same tactics, never having to fight anything new?
The one thing I have noticed about our KDF side, is that the bulk of us playing KDF, are fiercely loyal to this faction. Any doofus can play the featured race that all of the shows and movies focused upon, but Star Trek isn't just about one race or faction. The shows focused on them, but Star Trek is a whole universe of races and factions and content, which opens up that universe when you place it into an MMO form.
It is no fun when the majority of the players on an MMO, are all playing for the same team.
Also KDF probably has a higher percentage of players who would purchase content than the UFP does. We're the type who want to immerse ourselves into a culture and identity that we aren't accustomed to playing, and give the UFP something worthy to go into battle against, than just another AI script.
Frankly, the fact that in the PvP's, we hold our own so much of the time, when we are clearly piloting inferior ships when compared to the UFP's options, that speaks volumes about the heart and commitment your typical KDF player has to the game.
We want to grow as well, and expand.
We can't do that.
It isn't about buying up the content already available to us. We've already done that. We don't have anywhere else to grow into, and we're waiting for the day when something new shows up for KDF, which many of us will pounce upon like a starving Klingon on a bucket of gagh!
Cryptic does have the opportunity to make a profit on the KDF. The profit isn't there right now, not because we're not buying, but because, we've run out of things to buy.
The ball is in their court, and the lack of profit from the KDF, at this point, is nobody's fault but their own. They have a significant chunk of their playerbase, just waiting to pounce, as soon as they finally come through... and bring us some fresh gagh!
Honestly... STO would be so much more fun, with more factions for people to play, instead of the main UFP-vs-NPC universe we have now (with a few exceptions).
-- Smoov
The Disenchanted will greet you as a brother all the same and it's cheaper than renaming your ship/fleet.
Speaking of fleets, you could also join one of the many great KDF fleets flying the Disenchanted flag (e.g. Disenchanted, 18 Percent, etc.) and help to build these great fleets to show Cryptic that the Disenchanted will band together and not just go away.
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
Take a look into a Klingon dictionary "Run out of new players" is the very definition of the KDF (and no, to me Fed Contraband Farmers do not count).
As everyone is always saying that we are becoming extinct i named mine 1 of the few,,,,,wont let me use soldier of the empire says its to long,,,,,,,
You don't need to rename your char into "Solider of the Empire". That's a title the players get for defeating 100 Klingons I think, so you use it as a title if you have it and your char name remains whatever you chose it to be.
Your ship you can name Disenchanted, the idea behind the Soldier of the Empire title is for people who have no access to the Disenchanted one, naming the ship is no issue as its short enough.
:rolleyes:
Disenchanted doesn't even cover it.
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016