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I think you are missing the first poster's point. Rather than getting the "cant target so-and-so" message, it just shouldn't even register allies as a protection OP. In a melee its extremely difficult to have an unobstructed line of sight to a target at any given time so to get around having the ability give you the error…
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@zacazu Your post on page 5 was really well thought out I think, and I was able to understand it better. Definitely food for thought. @everyone else Well, I think I have bombarded this thread enough regarding my opinions so I'll leave it there. I guess my stance at the present is simply don't nerf GWF pve dps.
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@rversant Who is comparing BiS to non-BiS? I mostly try to stress the build and skillful play. When I mention Lazalia, I am mainly referring to the build. As to the main premise of your post, no class/spec can be perfectly compared to another, but while this is true the only word out of line that you imply but do come out…
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Not being sarcastic, but Zacazu you're post is hard to follow - who are you addressing?
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That is a close approximation of what I see out of Thaum CW with lostmauth set as well. When you consider that those procs are 65-75% when added together you really have to appreciate how poor the base spell damage is for CWs.
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I think the unexplained spikes in effectiveness is the worst part. Above you see that 42 million hit was at 313% effectiveness and that is not an uncommon figure to see in act given that it makes zero sense that anything could actually make you be that effective in piercing your own defenses. I personally have seen spikes…
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If nothing else, I think we can all agree that the destroyer path lives up to its name =P
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Fair point! However, I dont think Lazalia needs to be BiS to do everything he does. A GWF in my guild with 2.6k gs did bone golems HE solo (I watched him do it from the sidelines) after he saw the vid of Lazalia doing it. My CW, as an example, couldn't DREAM of doing that HE in WoD solo and is substantially better geared…
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@pando You are very strongly underestimating the sturdiness that temp hp, unstoppable, and the proper use of sprint and Avalanche of Steel provides a GWF. Lazalia has several videos demonstrating the insane stunts he is able to not only survive but dominate completely solo. I think you will find other classes for the most…
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SS is about as fast as VS and it shields for a fixed amount per stack that scales with power so it gets better once your 10% HP as power kicks in. Incoming damage does not diminish the shield and if you receive multiple attacks rapidly it will reduce them all by the same value times the amount of stacks - up to a maximum…
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@blackyluke Im not going to address what you wrote in your post, I just wanted to say THANK YOU FOR POSTING THOSE LOGS!!! I was going to get a few together to post myself from GWFs at various gear levels, but yours illustrate my point well enough. That should show people EXACTLY what I have been seeing myself, that it is…
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I gibbed myself with a 10m binding oath not 10 minutes ago in eSoT but Im sure I can get an act screenshot of one atleast that big when I do t2s later. All in good fun =P
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Yes, rightfully so - although I would prefer the gap wasn't as large as it is. But you can clearly tell from my post on the first page of this thread that I am very against nerfing PVE GWF dps.
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Whether Storm Spell mages need a nerf on SS is something, but it has absolutely no bearing on GWF dps. Storm Spell mages (and every other combination of dps class and spec) do a LOT less damage in pve than a GWF.
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My main is a CW. I am very very very well aware of what their capabilities are, moreso than any other class. I only play Pally and CW seriously this mod. I can show you ACT logs of CW in gear ranging from 2k to near BiS and a BiS cw will get roflstomped by a sub-3k GWF. Im not happy about the fact because CW is the class I…
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Im pretty sure he is just telling it like it is. Lostmauth or not, GWF own the PVE dps title and whoever 2nd place may be - it is not even remotely close to 1st.
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Here are my thoughts as a Non-GWF: Note 1 - I dont think GWF damage in PVE should be nerfed, rather I believe that GWF damage in PVE is EXACTLY sufficient for the content and other DPS classes should (but currently dont) do a similar amount of damage in PVE. Note 2 - GWF is without question the BEST pve DPS. Note 3 - GWF…
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No doubt! Im certain it works very well. I am just addressing the (very few) things that were not correctly represented. Overall it is an excellent write-up, I just don't want anyone to look at it and believe that Shielding Strike is less damage reduction than Valorous Strike, that Lay on Hands can't self-heal, or that…
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Overall I like the effort and Im sure soon-to-be OP's will too but I think its important to correct some misinformation present here. 1. Regarding divine touch and shielding strike - Its important to note that those shields provided both of these are not ablative. They do not decay with incoming damage and instead have a…
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Its exactly like a thousand other instances of push working through control immunity and you want to change JUST this one? Look no further than a dragon wingflap while ITC is up, or unstoppable, or pally holding shift, or *insert another example here*. This is a very VERY common feature throughout game and it always has…
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@thefabricant Awesome, I cant wait to see your results. I have several ACT logs of my own if you want to compare, but the general ratio is lostmauth is 2/3rds stormspell and abyss is 1/3rd stormspell. Granted, none of my logs are from someone using plaguefire so maybe that will change the results so drastically? Either…
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@thefabricant can you produce even a single ACT parse where abyss damage is even remotely close to stormspell? Because over the many many many dungeons I have run and logged - not once has it been comparable to stormspell damage.
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Thats not true, Ive noticed on several classes that the upgraded and base items have completely different stat loadouts.
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I need to test it more thoroughly but no, it doesnt work exactly as advertised. #1) It doesnt taunt #2) (NEEDS MORE TESTING) It appears to be affected by all damage multipliers making it, effectively, a suicide bomb. I parsed about 8 t2 runs yesterday with it and I likely will not slot Binding Oath ever again. Im not…
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Paladin Sigil, Wheel of the Elements, Heart of the White Dragon - Tank
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2 things: GWF is the best PVE DPS atm, hands down. Please refer to Lazaroth666's guide. Abyss of chaos isn't even 1/6th the damage of spellstorm OR lostmauth's set bonus, that is just an outright lie. For reference this is an act parse of a cw who did 3 ECC runs with me today that I tanked. His gear/enchants/companions…
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Regarding the whole OP vs DC thing: If we lived in a world where you are slowly whittled down to dead, Devotion OP's would outheal DC's so badly its almost funny. However, we dont live in that world. The most valuable thing a party wants out of their healer slot right now is the TREMENDOUS amounts of mitigation/buffs a DC…
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Just so my position is clear, I dont think it should be toned down until there are a LOT of pve buffs thrown around OR dungeons are rebalanced. GWF DPS in PVE is in a great place right now and honestly I think that gwf dps with the set should be the bar they should use to measure/balance the other dps classes against. T2…
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So far, Ive only ever seen a GWF lostmauth proc approach 100k but having said that, its not very relevant. Any class can produce a steady stream of 20-50k procs non-stop when you build around it.
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Im not really sure what to say about the lostmauth set at this point but I will say this: In pve, it is BIS for every single dps class whether you can use the stats on the belt or not. I think that shows that something is out of line. For most classes its 15-25% of your dps. For some it can be upwards of 30%. If anyone…