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What noworries describe her is an explanation of there seeing and doings about scaling.
Very late, but better then nothing to know.


But now all lvl 70 campaigns AND all lvl 70 Dunegons are run by people with 16k+ 17k+ 18k+ item Level.
And that is the scaling target we all want. Not the Fresh lvl 70 with 9k-10k il.

Look at your own description of dungeons, you can enter with 11k 12k or 13k il not with 9-10k il.

So when players are scaled to 9-10k il they are not eligable anymore for all dungeons when your own desription is true.

That is why so many forum users complain about wrong scaling.
Ist not that we are scaled, but the target of scaling is WRONG.


Its so wrong that players could not do any dungeons like before.
And what does you do in a game that dont lets you play?

hoo boy.

i very rarely come on the forums. most of the time i don't even think about it. there's too many salty people here, and very little informative feedback and interactions. i'm also a positive person.

BUT.

this thread is great. everyone is agreeing that the scaling is bad. the fact that everyone is agreeing in a place where there's always people who disagree should make this very clear: the current scaling is bad.

the way it is now, progressing past a certain point is useless, everything except the newest content will just drag you back to a certain stat point. upgrading your enchantments? won't make the older stuff any easier. getting new gear? nope, old stuff will still take the same amount of time. this game is catered to new players who will throw money in and then leave a couple months later.

now, i understand why they would want to implement scaling like this. and i agree that older players flying through queues and dungeons was pretty lame. but this approach to fixing that problem is terrible. instead of being rewarded for completing zones and upgrading my stuff, i'm now being punished because i'm just forced back to the same stats i had before. i wouldn't really care as much if the content was engaging in some way, or we actually got good rewards. in mod 15 i blindly ran through dungeons while listening/watching something else, in mod 16 it will be the same except it will take 2-3x as long, meaning i will get bored much faster and want to stop playing sooner.

this is a mistake. the fact that everyone hating it isn't even being acknowledged is sad. people who have tested this for months. non-endgame players who just wanted to try out the new mod on preview. no one likes it. maybe they don't have the choice to revert it, because their bosses want it done and they want money. who knows. but at least tell us if something can or can't be done. the lack of transparency is what's killing the community.

i'm not one to rant or be negative. but even my patience is wearing thin.

Thanks for going into detail, but I'm still struggling with "salt" or "really that bad", especially reading some of the justifications for "really that bad". I do know that, scaled to 12, they may as well have not bothered with scaling, because I still went through it solo on a Trickster Rogue that's probably no where near optimized even for at level content, with no issues at all, and I haven't played in years, literally.

You can just hop on preview and check and form your opinion on your experience, which then can be debated. I'm not sure what is the point of asking for more of the same opinions there are already here, you will not differentiate between whatever you perceive as just whining and a real issue by reading more of the same.


Regardless, the main issue is not that there is scaling, scaling with its evils has some benefits. The issue is that this so called 'scaling' doesn't scale players relative to each other, but instead a simple cap. Hence a a player who played for about half year and has only a bit above the free catch-up gear will be almost exactly the same as someone who is BiS and plays for 6 years.

A proper scaling will scale players down, but maintaining some relative ratio between players where a bis player will be lowered, but still better than someone who just got their free gear and upgraded the enchants one rank up.

Cap != Progress. Simple as that.

What is the point of upgrading anything, if it's all canceled.

I see all the naysayers basically are veteran players that are not very representative for the experience if the less developed players. And yes, I do agree.. being reduced to average performance in many of the game areas with no benefits from good gear sucks.

But again.. Cryptic probably cares most about the casual people that lands in the game 3-4 months, puts down some money and leaves. That is where their income is, not from old veterans.

And the current situation is not good for the up and coming people. There is a need for the old players to participate in old content to fill up parties fast, but old players cannot be allowed to smash through the content as they do today as that seriously diminishes the play experience for the new people.

So the obvious answer is to reduce the power of the old players. I don't like it, but I do see the rationale behind it, and that rationale is that new and up and coming players are more important to Cryptic than old players. Income > all.

Those same players your talking about will be scaled down within 12 to 18 hours of playing the game. They will get the same veteran scaling as a player that has played for 6 years. The other thing is if that content is too hard for them to complete on their own they will have to either find another person to do them with or leave the game. Most will take the second pill. If it is true that is their bread and butter group in terms of money...

tone deaf...

Totally. This reminds me of the early days of Everquest when all we heard from SOE was their vaunted "vision". They followed their hardcore "vision" right off the cliff when legions of players left the second something more palatable came along.

I can already see it coming. We're going back to the early days of EE when we had to group for solo content and guild leaders like me had to escort every new member through existing campaigns because enemies were stomping them into pudding. It sucked then, and it's going to suck now.

My advice: keep your Drowned set weapons handy. You're going to need them the second you set foot into solo scaled content.

Not only are things like enchantments being devalued but companions are as well. Just one example is the will o'wisp: that's a $25 item that people only bought for the control bonus. Now, just like that, BAM! useless. The devs might not think it's a slap in the face, but it absofreakinlutely IS.

Scaling in the old zones where we have instructed new players to improve themselves with boons as well as us getting supplies to upgrade strongholds has been my biggest issue in this new mod. I never asked and I haven't seen any of the player base ask for harder early game zones. This is just a change out of nowhere and I feel it is more to slow down how quickly we progress just while giving a token challenge quest line to get better things that due to scaling doesn't improve us. While I like the idea of the challenge quest and don't mind being scaled if I have that quest in those zones. I don't want to be scaled when I am doing the zones for stronghold supplies. You need to break up those differences or reduce the scaling in those zones to where I get to use much higher rank enchantments instead or I get scaled to what the best stats a level 70 could possibly get in that area and I am improved over those characters ability to do that content based on my progression in the game. A player will reach level 80 before doing only a few days in that zone and then that area becomes a nightmare.

The thing is that zones are where most players zone out of the content and don't pay attention to what they are doing. It allows them to multi task while doing what I call busy work or skip over work. If the quests weren't so redundant in those zones I might actually pay attention to what is said in them. Stuff you have to do for the stronghold to improve is in these zones. The problem is that your now applying your scaling formula from k team challenges to the rest of the games content which is where the casual players go in the game. Nobody wants that in the game, not casuals or veterans. It will just make the collection of stronghold supplies take much longer and will push players to purchase stuff on the zen store which is probably what you want and why your implementing it. This change is just a huge cash grab and most in the game will hate you for implementing this.

My first preference is no scaling at all in the old content. This is just insensitive to the player base and why I dislike this mod more than any of the other changes you made. Mod 15 is actually a good mod compared to this mod with this change in it.

So I'm really torn on what to believe here, because frankly, I've seen this argument before, in other places, where it was absolutely right, this just recently in fact, and a reason that I'm back here now, and where it was "much ado about nothing".

Upon returning, I found that I had a bunch of "lowbie" content that I had to run for the campaign log, for some reason I hadn't done the dungeon in the Cloak Tower region, as one example. When I went in, I was scaled down to level 12, from 60+. So I'm a bit confused as to how this scaling mechanic can be seen as new? It seems to me that, based on this experience alone, it has always been here? I left because the game was over the top easy. If this is going to fix that, then "Yay". I can't tell, from reading the posts, if this is just salt, or if it's really bad. If it turns out to be really bad, then I'll just move along again. But really, since I've not been anywhere near the current endgame, I'm in "wait and see" mode.

I still have 0 confidence in game devs, due to my recent experiences with "balance". However, I can't help but wonder how much of this is "it's really bad" and how much is "but I've been crushing my weeklies for years, and now I may have to work at it a bit to get them done".

scaling in live is nothing like scaling in preview. worlds apart. much much much different