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Tales of Old feedback.

Ok so let me outline what I experienced so far.

-I play a 18.2k OP myself.
-I formed 17k IL groups at minimum with a good composition
-Average run duration 20 min (assuming group is looting the chests yadayada)

We can farm 45 of the Coins every day, 45 x 20 min = 15 hours.
45 x 7 days to grind = 275 maximum currency you can grind in the event.

We need 135 coins to get One tale of old, you need TWO tales to get one artifact, aka you need 270 out of 275 coins to get your artifact.
That also assumes 7 x 15 = 105 hours to grind.(assuming you don't need sleep, eat, work, kids, whatever)

Now the next problem, every group I had so far had someone that had to leave after the first run. This is seriously problematic as we are not able to ''request for reinforcements'' thus the party is forced to give up at this point.

Another problem, this stuff binds to character on pickup, so you can NOT farm this for an alt. It forces you to participate with your main, which most likely around 16k+ IL alrdy has top notch gear.

Who of you developers did the math behind all this?

Now here is what I am fearing MOST. Lets say this event is launched 4x a year (cant say cuz next one is not shown on the calender) Now after a YEAR you MIGHT be able to get the artifacts. Then mod X comes out, and some random mod artifact will outweigh this artifact statwise.

What guarantee is there that in the future there won't be a easy artifact coming out that makes this stuff obsolete? Can cryptic confirm they will boost the item similar to what happened to the MW III items? Or is it just crossing your fingers it wont happen?

The hype quickly turned into a sour mood in our alliance chat after we confirmed average run times, experiences and number crunching what we actually are expected to do to get these items. I don't mind grinding, but this is going beyond realistic.

Also don't come with the argument: This is an event that people should participate multiple times in to finish their item, cuz if that's the case you should let it occur more often then 1x every 3 months. (and indicate the next one on the calendar right away instead of letting us be in the dark, is this 1x 3 months? 6? yearly event? It still doesn't take away the unrealistic amount of hours required to unlock this stuff nor does it change the biggest fear of mine that I pointed out above.

emuriann

Re: Tales of Old feedback.

My feedback: Why is this an event?

These dungeons were promised to come back as level 70 dungeons ... 10 modules ago.

As permanent parts of the game rather than a limited time event.

rjc9000

Re: Tales of Old feedback.

My feedback: Why is this an event?

These dungeons were promised to come back as level 70 dungeons ... 10 modules ago.

As permanent parts of the game rather than a limited time event.

We were promised a lot of things, like the wards not leaving the trade bar shop. Promises don't seem to carry a lot of weight.

greywynd

Re: Why Neverwinter doesn't give content to SOLO players

People solo multiplayer content all the time: bosses, challenges, dungeons, whatever - so long as the game permits it. Making something soloable doesn't mean changing the content. The highest value gear shouldn't be locked behind a group effort. It should be locked behind the most difficult content, and I don't see any particularly good reason why anyone shouldn't be allowed to attempt that.

I think it's hilarious that some of you deride people so for playing multiplayer content on their own, when you're the ones who go off and make loadouts with obscenely high movement so you can hop into queues and leave everyone else in your dust. That's solo play - or at the very least, highly antisocial.
In short you want soloing the game and get same good gear other players can get only with combined effort of 5 or even 10 of them working together?

I doubt it even cross your mind that if that was the case no1 would even think about creating any party and grouping for anything?

What would be your next demand? Legendary mounts dropping from mobs or something?

And last but not least - no one is forbiding you to create a private 1 man party and join most of the content latest event included.

Furthermore - you complain about high movement builds, but it simply means that you actually do join queues and content with other players otherwie you wouldnt know that happening. And then again who forbids you to make similar build?

It isn’t always about getting the same or better gear as everyone else – most of the time it’s about just being able to play new content that hasn’t already been run to death.

For instance the introduction of Acquisitions Incorporated was specifically designed to be solo friendly... but it seems for every solo friendly event like AI, there are four or five introductions of new content specifically designed for multi-player participation, at least by those who can’t or haven’t yet obtained some of the BIS or near BIS gear that allows them to go to and survive in some of those areas.

I’ve been playing casually for years, but after a couple experiences of spending money to buy or spending hours grinding to obtain top of the line gear – only to see it become obsolete or nearly so with the introduction of the next Mod, I’m less inclined to repeat my previous mistake and by that I mean specifically spending money to buy or hours, days or weeks grinding for gear only to have it become virtually worthless within a what I consider a relatively short period of time.

dionchi

Re: Why Neverwinter doesn't give content to SOLO players

Kinda "massively multiplayer online game" should give a clue as to why.

Just spam zone chat in PE, or the pve channels. Who knows, you might make some friends.
Yet most game content from level 1 - 70 seems to be designed for solo players, so that appears to throw the "massively multiplayer online game" primarily for multiplayers theory right out doesn't it?
You mean the tutorial, right? The one that slowly shows you how to do things until you get to the maximum level for which most of the content in the past 5 years was done?
And the same tutorial which has leveling dungeons and skirmishes that are done in groups?

The "tutorial" is character level 1-4 (or 5+/-) depending, where the voice over explains what a player needs to do to navigate, and interact during the game.

After a player exits the Sleeping Dragon Bridge and completes the Theft of the Crown quest, the bulk of the tutorial is over and the actual game content begins,

There are also Character Progression Quests where players may be assigned tasks to learn how to do things, but these continue up to and include level 70 with Epic Dungeons and Epic Adventuring... so unless someone considers the entire game a "tutorial", up to and including level 70 - no, I'm not just talking about the tutorial.

I see it as a fact that some content is specifically designed for parties or multi-players and some appear to be specifically designed for solo players and @dblu has a point, much of the newer content seems to be intentioned for group or multi-player purposes with little or no new content, excluding AI intentioned for multiplayer groups.

This has been a common and I believe mostly ignored complaint for years so as I see it players will stick with Neverwinter right up to the point where the feel there is little or no available solo content for them and either change (sometimes grudgingly) their preferred playstyle – or leave Neverwinter for some other game with more solo friendly content...
Wait wait, I know that specifically designed for solo players content, what was its name, It's on the edge of the tongue, I know it, ahh right.. All those Single Player Games

There is a bunch, and they are quite good, a good number in the D&D or similar worlds.

I don't get it, when people start playing an MMO, they expect it to be Massive Solo Playing Online ?? Seriously, what is the expectation here?
When you buy a single player game and play it, you expect to have to queue and play with some random people over the internet?

So let me ask you... since this is a Multi-player game, have you or do you still seek or join a party when doing anything in Neverwinter? Take for instance professions, trade or purchases...

No? Maybe because despite Neverwinter being a MMO there is some content that is specifically designed and intended to be played solo. Otherwise every bit of content would require players to function in a group or multi-player mode.

A MMO merely means there are other players in the game - not that one must
constrain themselves to play in group or multi-player mode.

Think about it.

dionchi

Re: Tales of Old feedback.

Make it minimum item level of whatever and Add to the queue system

I suggest players boycott this until its added to the queue system such as the CTA events

I would just rather see the dungeons returned to the game. No event required for them. Just have them back where they never should have been taken from.

greywynd

Why Neverwinter doesn't give content to SOLO players

Yet another group type event that gives the best gear and new content..Tales o The Old... can't Neverwinter make best gear availablee to dolo players?

dblu

Re: Why Neverwinter doesn't give content to SOLO players

Kinda "massively multiplayer online game" should give a clue as to why.

Just spam zone chat in PE, or the pve channels. Who knows, you might make some friends.

Yet most game content from level 1 - 70 seems to be designed for solo players, so that appears to throw the "massively multiplayer online game" primarily for multiplayers theory right out doesn't it?

I see it as a fact that some content is specifically designed for parties or multi-players and some appear to be specifically designed for solo players and @dblu has a point, much of the newer content seems to be intentioned for group or multi-player purposes with little or no new content, excluding AI intentioned for multiplayer groups.

This has been a common and I believe mostly ignored complaint for years so as I see it players will stick with Neverwinter right up to the point where the feel there is little or no available solo content for them and either change (sometimes grudgingly) their preferred playstyle – or leave Neverwinter for some other game with more solo friendly content...

dionchi

Re: Why Neverwinter doesn't give content to SOLO players

I play this game mostly Solo. I have a few friends that play, we are in a Guild together, but hardly every are on-line at the same time (mostly very different schedules.)

I love this game. The "Massively Online" part that I enjoy is: Making items in Professions and selling my hard work in the AH market.

I don't like queuing with random people (and many bots) to do Skirmish or Dungeon runs. I like to see an environment, explore the hidden stuff the developers put there (they worked hard on this content.) I hate "speed runners" - wanting to just run-run-run through content for loot-loot-loot... That's not "playing" a game, that's a job (loot, sell, upgrade. fast-fast-fast...)

I love the Storyline and Story Missions. Finding out what is happening in a new Zone. Experiencing the immersion into a World not my own.

I'd like to be rewarded for the time I invest in a game. Please give AD and Gear to us Solo players. We are part of this game too!

hfleet

Re: Tales of Old feedback.

@kitismi#3031 said...
"you can't queue for a replacement, and are forced to give up."

@emuriann said...
"...every group I had so far had someone that had to leave after the first run. This is seriously problematic as we are not able to ''request for reinforcements'' thus the party is forced to give up at this point."

@rikitaki said...
"...every run we lost a member (disconnect) before we even met the second boss. And that is an issue - you cannot fill the slot."

If only someone had tested it on preview and reported this game-breaking problem to the devs...

https://forum.arcgames.com/neverwinter/discussion/1245875/lair-of-the-mad-dragon-bugs#latest

Oh wait. We did.

@nitocris83 , how in the name of Gruumsh could these reported game-breaking bugs end up live?

dread4moor