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Re: OFFICIAL FEEDBACK THREAD: Professions Overhaul
If we have Leadership rank 25, what will we have in this newly described “Gathering” profession?
If we have a (purple/epic) Hero in the current system, what will we have in the new system, and how will it work in the new system?
If we have (say) a purple/epic Philosopher’s Stone, what will we have in the new system, and how will it work in the new system?
If we have (say) Masterwork Rank V in Alchemy, what will we have in the reworked version of Alchemy? Will we still be able to make Luminescent Potions?
If we have a (Mythic) Forgehammer of Gond, what will we have in the new system, and how will it work in the new system?
Re: OFFICIAL FEEDBACK THREAD: Professions Overhaul
Nothing to look at yet.....but I have one big concern....Masterwork
Basically, a nmber of players have spent a lot of time and AD (and in some cases real $$$) on getting Masterwork. How will that factor into the new system?
Basically, currently people with Masterwork have a certain advantage, as (outside Leadership), there are not very many non-Masterwork items that can be considered profitable to make.
I guess my big question is, will people with Masterwork enjoy some advantage in the new system? If not, you will have one group of upset players....if they retain their current advantage, you will have another group of upset players.
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Basically, a nmber of players have spent a lot of time and AD (and in some cases real $$$) on getting Masterwork. How will that factor into the new system?
Basically, currently people with Masterwork have a certain advantage, as (outside Leadership), there are not very many non-Masterwork items that can be considered profitable to make.
I guess my big question is, will people with Masterwork enjoy some advantage in the new system? If not, you will have one group of upset players....if they retain their current advantage, you will have another group of upset players.
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adinosii
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Re: M15: Devoted Cleric Class Changes
Well, with these changes, I have to wonder what the purpose of the DO DC is now, other than as a DPS player. What role do the devs see a DO DC playing in groups, especially with that DC occupying the "healer" slot in the traditional 3-1-1 group composition?
chemjeff
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Re: M15: Devoted Cleric Class Changes
Can we at least get our dodge fixed, please, since we are on the subject of DCs? We have been waiting and suffering since mod14 launched.
Also, this kills Divine Oracle in group pve. The only silver lining is that now I don't need to craft a set of enchantments for the SW I've been building as my DO spec will provide. Only Anointed Champion matters now.
Also, this kills Divine Oracle in group pve. The only silver lining is that now I don't need to craft a set of enchantments for the SW I've been building as my DO spec will provide. Only Anointed Champion matters now.
meirami
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Re: M15: Devoted Cleric Class Changes
I do not understand your concept of attacking the target of 2 DC nerf to DO many people like to go to the dungeons with only DO as DC, if you really want to attack the target of 2 dc Improve the buff of the other classes so that if it is worth the sorry to take something else in DC as it happens with the DPS in the "Meta" many people leaving to go with GWF or HR because the damage of the TR was greater the same thing happened with the supports that I did not take 2 dc if there was another powerful buffer
nachox24
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Re: M15: Trickster Rogue Class Changes
Well hopefully this gets heard, the way it used to be it was possible for trs to multiply their power for 3.6 times just from 1 itc 1 cb and 1 wob, and u might say that's around an 300% dmg buff,and that's correct but that's my point we NEEDED them to be competitive, we had to be able to use 1 daily every 5 seconds or so, instead of fixing the bugs that exist with the Tr b4 nerfing something but no, u literally took away more then 250% worth of self buff from the class, even with the all the other stuff that got buffed on an optimal setting I doubt u would even be able to compensate just what we lost from the power we lost, the thing is, thats only half of the things we lost, next time try to fix the fact that aura of courage ticks on stun ticks from sb accounting for almost half our dmg and the fact that on the sod dot part it was still double dipping on debuffs and a few other things. Pls listen to when people report bugs, this because I'm pretty sure this bugs will get fixed eventually damaging the class even more because they weren't taken into account while nerfing stuff.
Re: M15: Control Wizard Class Changes
Chaos Magic doesn't proc enough, please increase the rate (DoTs don't appear to be proccing it).
Compared to what powers of other classes are capable of, it wouldn't hurt to make the feat last for 20 seconds with the 20 second cooldown.
Compared to what powers of other classes are capable of, it wouldn't hurt to make the feat last for 20 seconds with the 20 second cooldown.
Re: M15: Trickster Rogue Class Changes
After reading and discussing this changes looks like you are trolling us or something taking away 50% of our damage lool
Re: M15: Devoted Cleric Class Changes
REALLY?RIP DODC DO players have the options to switch AC.
Now it will be OP + AC all the time, sadly GF is going in the bin too, as a tank. Why not just remove the class all together, so people are not disappointed when they start a useless class?
DO isn't the whole class.
You think you have it bad? *stares at tr thread*
Plenty of classes have Paths that are meh. *looks at gwf*
I'll send YOU a bill for the whole new gear set, enchants and companions. you can foot the bill then.
Re: M15: Trickster Rogue Class Changes
Head up but this will be a long post about all the relevant changes to the class, please read it as it will inform you why things are bad or good, if you wish you can skip the math part ^^. ( this is a PVE analysis and will be dedicated to powers not feats)
I will try to be as direct as possible and tackle all the changes worth mentioning.
Stealth:
as mentioned before, all the changes wont affect damage potential simply because every tr should be using a daily at least every 10 seconds, this if it wants any type of chance to stay competitive, and said daily would trigger the Invisible Infiltrator feat that would restore your stealth bar.
At-will changes
Duelist's Flurry:
also as said before it takes 2 rotations of the at-will to be able to have the maximum amount of bleed stacks.
on its older version u could get the 10 bleed stacks with 2 rotations of the at-will as well, there are 2 bad things here and one ok-ish.
-bad thing nº 1: the at-will it self ( needed to have around 7 bleed stacks to be comparable with sly flourish in dps wise, now u made it 40% weaker, in other words it ll never be better then sly even at maximum stacks.
-bad thing nº 2: the amount of time that said bleed would last is way to small making the player have to keep using it, doing a full rotation could be enough to make it wear off making it almost worthless since the players has to lose way too much with nothing even worth gaining.
-ok-ish thing: the decrease in the at-will duration, still not enough to make it viable though.
Sly Flourish:
now this at-will will have a 2% bigger debuff on the target, but will take 3 times longer to apply, not a good buff but not a bad one either.
Gloaming Cut:
this power got a really good buff and I can totally start seeing it being used, specially since the class will have to start using more at-wills the choice would be between this power and sly flourish.
Encounter Changes
Smoke Bomb:
there is a lot of dilemma with this power so i ll put topics.
1- Its bugged: the thing is, what makes this power so good is not the power itself, its an interaction where it gets extra procs from aura of courage 4 times for every dmg tick of smoke bomb, in other words even if this power did 0 damage, it would still be used simply because of this bug that hasn't been fixed even tho it has been posted multiple times.
in other words please fix this bug and actually increase the damage from smoke bomb because its damage is not as great as most think.
2-the cool down in the end will be 2 seconds lower that what it used to be but comparing to the cool downs the class lost with all of these changes its a good thought but doesn't make it to be a positive thing in the end.
3-the fact that it only gives combat advantage from stealth its what i call nonsense, as stated on other comments it should have it as a default part of it, just like every other power that can daze targets so please give it another proper effect ( if needed take more of its damage away and make it being able to buff or debuff, something along those lines, it would make tr more useful in parties which is exactly the opposite of what the class is at the moment.
Impossible to Catch:
while talking about this power i ll refer to the feat that also affects it.
as similar to the smoke bomb it now has a lower base cool down compared to before but also suffers the same problem of the class not being able to get as many cool downs, another down-point is the fact that it lost 20% of its up-time, might not be much but it is.
now referring the feat ( Press the Advantage ), this feat used to increase your power buffed power by 10% making it one of the main causes to use impossible to catch in the first place, taking that away and increasing our combat advantage damage by 10%, I'm not sure if this means that it will multiply our existing combat advantage damage by 1.1 or if it will add 10% to the existing amount, this can't be checked simply because combat advantage is broken on preview and doesn't work.
-math ahead:
about the 25% damage resistance and movement increase its not something commenting about since it doesn't really affect game-play that much.
Blade Flurry:
its damage did get increased by a good amount ( someone forgot to mention in the patch notes that the power now increases by 10% instead of 15% on each rank like before :P ), can be used more now but the thing is that we can use a power like dazing strike to hit enemies for even more damage with less then half the cool down and faster animation.
its cool down its still obsolete for something that has a 20 sec cool down giving around 3% action points is laughable, wouldn't use it my self.
Daily Changes( the most important stuff, AKA the core of the class)
Courage Breaker:
soo... this daily used increase our power by 25%, it would fall under the same effect of whirlwind as press the advantage, so with whirlwind hitting 5 targets courage breaker would increase our damage by 50%, yes 50% accounting for 200k buffed power before any power multiplier that would be an increase of around 42% more damage, all from this daily ( half that without the buff form whirlwind).
now it does a mere 20% debuff, for those that don't know if the target has just 100% debuff on it ( u can reach 200% in good parties BTW) that 20% debuff amounts for ONLY a 8% damage increase, once again this is huge difference.
Whirlwind of Blades:
ok, so this ll be the biggest one to try to explain since almost no one knows how it actually works so buckle up.
the old tool tip of this power says that the user gains power for each enemy that is it, not very specific isn't it, well it turns out that it works the same as the dragon born power buff, it acts as a multiplier to the user power instead of just adding it being a multiplier of 20% per target hit, example: u have 100 power, u use the daily and double it getting 200 , but u then proc something that gives you extra 2 power, that extra 2 power will also fall under the daily effect making the used end up with 204.
now a more real and complicated example with values of an usual endgame run:
-math ahead:
Final notes:
this was only a look at how at-wills, encounters and dailies were affected, this not even accounting for the fact that the loss in damage that the class will have from losing recovery when activating artificers were we get 15% of our power, all of these were the core functions and synergy of the class, please be aware of the changes that weren't accounted for on this TR rework.
If any clarification is needed just ask and I ll try my best to explain it depending on my time.
Thx for reading.
I will try to be as direct as possible and tackle all the changes worth mentioning.
Stealth:
as mentioned before, all the changes wont affect damage potential simply because every tr should be using a daily at least every 10 seconds, this if it wants any type of chance to stay competitive, and said daily would trigger the Invisible Infiltrator feat that would restore your stealth bar.
At-will changes
Duelist's Flurry:
also as said before it takes 2 rotations of the at-will to be able to have the maximum amount of bleed stacks.
on its older version u could get the 10 bleed stacks with 2 rotations of the at-will as well, there are 2 bad things here and one ok-ish.
-bad thing nº 1: the at-will it self ( needed to have around 7 bleed stacks to be comparable with sly flourish in dps wise, now u made it 40% weaker, in other words it ll never be better then sly even at maximum stacks.
-bad thing nº 2: the amount of time that said bleed would last is way to small making the player have to keep using it, doing a full rotation could be enough to make it wear off making it almost worthless since the players has to lose way too much with nothing even worth gaining.
-ok-ish thing: the decrease in the at-will duration, still not enough to make it viable though.
Sly Flourish:
now this at-will will have a 2% bigger debuff on the target, but will take 3 times longer to apply, not a good buff but not a bad one either.
Gloaming Cut:
this power got a really good buff and I can totally start seeing it being used, specially since the class will have to start using more at-wills the choice would be between this power and sly flourish.
Encounter Changes
Smoke Bomb:
there is a lot of dilemma with this power so i ll put topics.
1- Its bugged: the thing is, what makes this power so good is not the power itself, its an interaction where it gets extra procs from aura of courage 4 times for every dmg tick of smoke bomb, in other words even if this power did 0 damage, it would still be used simply because of this bug that hasn't been fixed even tho it has been posted multiple times.
in other words please fix this bug and actually increase the damage from smoke bomb because its damage is not as great as most think.
2-the cool down in the end will be 2 seconds lower that what it used to be but comparing to the cool downs the class lost with all of these changes its a good thought but doesn't make it to be a positive thing in the end.
3-the fact that it only gives combat advantage from stealth its what i call nonsense, as stated on other comments it should have it as a default part of it, just like every other power that can daze targets so please give it another proper effect ( if needed take more of its damage away and make it being able to buff or debuff, something along those lines, it would make tr more useful in parties which is exactly the opposite of what the class is at the moment.
Impossible to Catch:
while talking about this power i ll refer to the feat that also affects it.
as similar to the smoke bomb it now has a lower base cool down compared to before but also suffers the same problem of the class not being able to get as many cool downs, another down-point is the fact that it lost 20% of its up-time, might not be much but it is.
now referring the feat ( Press the Advantage ), this feat used to increase your power buffed power by 10% making it one of the main causes to use impossible to catch in the first place, taking that away and increasing our combat advantage damage by 10%, I'm not sure if this means that it will multiply our existing combat advantage damage by 1.1 or if it will add 10% to the existing amount, this can't be checked simply because combat advantage is broken on preview and doesn't work.
-math ahead:
if it was a 1.1 multiply it would increase the combat advantage damage of the user by around 6%-7% in a best in case scenario, i ll be using the best case for this just to show how big the difference is ( 1+((0.87+0.225+0.025+(0.15+0.1+0.25+0.08+0.1)*1.1)) its around 2.868 times the original damage, this only includes base damage, base critical severity + the extra from boons+ potions+ razorwood bonus + base combat advantage + extra one from charisma+ extra from the combat advantage stat the underdark boon and the new feat) now if we take the feat out and do 2.868/2.758 and can see that it only increases our damage by less then 4%, this is if we count that all our dmg can crit and that's not the case but knowing that around 40% of it cant and knowing the amount combat advantage it will have we can tell that it will increase the player damage overall by 5%, this is nothing! in comparison we would get 10% of our power but thanks to whirlwind of blades we would get 20% ( more explanation about it ahead), if we had 200k power in a party without even using power multiplier abilities, which is nothing special to do now, we would get 40k power, that would be worth (40k+220k)/(40k+200k) = and increase of almost 17%, half that if you don't have whirlwind of blades buff up
TL DR before change it gives 17% damage increase after change it gives 5%.about the 25% damage resistance and movement increase its not something commenting about since it doesn't really affect game-play that much.
Blade Flurry:
its damage did get increased by a good amount ( someone forgot to mention in the patch notes that the power now increases by 10% instead of 15% on each rank like before :P ), can be used more now but the thing is that we can use a power like dazing strike to hit enemies for even more damage with less then half the cool down and faster animation.
its cool down its still obsolete for something that has a 20 sec cool down giving around 3% action points is laughable, wouldn't use it my self.
Daily Changes( the most important stuff, AKA the core of the class)
Courage Breaker:
soo... this daily used increase our power by 25%, it would fall under the same effect of whirlwind as press the advantage, so with whirlwind hitting 5 targets courage breaker would increase our damage by 50%, yes 50% accounting for 200k buffed power before any power multiplier that would be an increase of around 42% more damage, all from this daily ( half that without the buff form whirlwind).
now it does a mere 20% debuff, for those that don't know if the target has just 100% debuff on it ( u can reach 200% in good parties BTW) that 20% debuff amounts for ONLY a 8% damage increase, once again this is huge difference.
Whirlwind of Blades:
ok, so this ll be the biggest one to try to explain since almost no one knows how it actually works so buckle up.
the old tool tip of this power says that the user gains power for each enemy that is it, not very specific isn't it, well it turns out that it works the same as the dragon born power buff, it acts as a multiplier to the user power instead of just adding it being a multiplier of 20% per target hit, example: u have 100 power, u use the daily and double it getting 200 , but u then proc something that gives you extra 2 power, that extra 2 power will also fall under the daily effect making the used end up with 204.
now a more real and complicated example with values of an usual endgame run:
-math ahead:
the player has 250k power thanks to the power share from his team mates, he then uses whirlwind hitting 5 enemies doubling it ending up with 500k, this by itself is already worth (40k+ 500k)/(40k+250k)= 86% damage increase ( this is just to compare with the actual buff of ONLY 40% dmg increase) , now following that up the user uses courage breaker, increasing its power once again but this time its addictive, so it adds 25% of the existing power, but then again it falls under the whirlwind buff doubling it, in other words it gives 50% making the user have 750 power after that, now to finish it off the player uses impossible to catch triggering its power increasing feat that also falls under the same effect since its an addictive effect, so u end up with 900k power, just form this 3 effects we multiplied our original power by a total of 3.6 times, also after all of this our damage was increased by 324%, yup that much this is what the current TR has to do to stay competitive ( compare it with the mire buffs we got, a 40% one + one worth 5% and another around 8% + a bit more here in there from other powers but nothing close enough to the value that we need to be useful.
also as you can deduce the only thing able to do a power loop doesn't occur with whirlwind and courage breaker it can only occur with press the advantage feat and courage breaker since they are both addictive.
TL DR whirlwind acts as a power multiplier when courage breaker and press the advantage only add power, TRs on live servers are able to multiply their power by 3.6 times and thanks to that could get around 324% worth of buffs, meanwhile if this changes go live it wont even reach half that amount.also as you can deduce the only thing able to do a power loop doesn't occur with whirlwind and courage breaker it can only occur with press the advantage feat and courage breaker since they are both addictive.
Final notes:
this was only a look at how at-wills, encounters and dailies were affected, this not even accounting for the fact that the loss in damage that the class will have from losing recovery when activating artificers were we get 15% of our power, all of these were the core functions and synergy of the class, please be aware of the changes that weren't accounted for on this TR rework.
If any clarification is needed just ask and I ll try my best to explain it depending on my time.
Thx for reading.