I hope we'll be able to switch between those purple color overlays and the original blue, red or green one. The Fed ship with red/blue nacelles and a nice shining blue deflector would look very nice indeed.
But what's that background? Is it the surface of a star? Will we be able to play a scenario or a mission insinde a star's corona? That would be pretty amazing. Shields slowly loosing power, sensors less reliable, solar flares damaging your ship....
But what's that background? Is it the surface of a star? Will we be able to play a scenario or a mission insinde a star's corona? That would be pretty amazing. Shields slowly loosing power, sensors less reliable, solar flares damaging your ship....
That. That right there made me miss playing Starfox 64.
Why not? The first steam engines were equipped on old sailing ships.
I for one would prefer getting some of the missing canon ships at T5, rather than new cryptic designs. So far we already have a number of 22nd century era ships at T5 - Kumari, D'Kyr, Somraw, T'Varo. Expanding upon that wouldn't break immersion any more than the existing ones already do.
And enhancing them with Dyson-tech would actually be an explanation to have such ships on par with new designs. At least much more of an explanation than the aforementioned ships got.
We know that Klingons aren't the type to release new ship designs and throw away the old ones. We had K'Tingas fighting in the Dominion War (their centennial).
Romulans refitting T'Varo's is logical, they don't exactly have the greatest ship building capacity at the moment.
As for the Vulcans thanks to Starfleet's existence, their science ships don't have to be frontline vessels anymore which seriously extends their lifespan.
As for the Andorians, the Kumari is not the same ship as Shran's. It's based on and carries the design lineage forward, but it's not identical. It's the same as the fact that all Enterprises have the saucer, stardrive, and two nacelles configuration. (NX-01 got its stardrive later).
In any case: So far we had Odyssey (Enterprise F) and Ambassador (Enterprise C). Another Enterprise would continue this pattern. Sovereign, Galaxy and Excelsior are already ingame and on Fleet level. Missing classes are Constitution and NX.
All Enterprise classes are present in the game. The different tiers reflect their relative strength.
more like one of those technological designs that you run across that just happens to stick really really well. there is only two fed ship classes that survived from TOS to ds9 and 1 klingon design, excelsior, miranda and b'rel. starfleet is not known for keeping old tech laying around or always upgrading it, the connie was phased out by the excel and retired from service after a few decades of use, it was clear the connie was beyond upgrades to keep the class and then came the miranda vs connie fight, the miranda had the connie dead to rights anyways, it was by some action of kirk that the enterprise survived the fight at all, but even he realized his enterprise and in large the connie class as a whole was gone for good at that point. by mid 2300's the akira was designed and produced and the miranda was relegated to freight running until the design was recalled for the war. if the miranda could shame the connie in such a way even with a madman in control of the ship, then the excelsior would of been far more then a match in power if it came to a straight out fight as the miranda was just stronger but not by much.
That is plainly false. The Enterprise was in such bad shape because Kirk was being a cocky idiot and assumed that "We are all one big happy fleet!" It's virtually identical to the D-12 vs Galaxy fight that ended the Enterprise-D. If you can fire without worrying about your enemy's shields you can pretty much destroy anyone. And calling Khan a madman is quite irrelevant. He was crazy, and very arrogant, not stupid. The Miranda class was a light cruiser while the Enterprise was a heavy cruiser of the same generation. If Kirk had raised his shields when he was supposed to, that fight would've gone very differently. Compare it to the amount of punishment the Enterprise took against Chang's Bird of Prey.
The Constitution was retired about a decade later, but the Enterprise-A was still a Constitution class. The NCC-1701 was constructed in 2245 and had already undergone a major refit at that point, that particular ship was already fifty years old, but the class still had life in it.
the excelsior on the other hand had the transwarp drive failure but the design kept it going, got a sensor upgrade and spent the better part of its cycle as an admiral's flagship, ferrying VIP's around and such then came the upgrade just before the war to make the design even more stronger, enough to put it on par with the galaxy class. and since that happened then there clearly is still some more to be found in the design still before it gets put into retirement.
the excelsior had no need to cheat for dyson tech, however if it did get such tech, it may never need to retired for another century at least. but if the connie did, it may upgrade it to t5, but i doubt it would ever get beyond that because it's like putting a an aging stubborn feather weight fighter in the superweight category.
The Excelsior is certainly a cut above the rest, being in service for 80 going on 90 years by the time of the Dominion War and still in service. The Lakota upgrades made it only slightly weaker in combat than a brand new Defiant class. But the Excelsior is not so great as that Starfleet stopped developing better ships. Indeed in the frontline, deep space exploration role the Excelsior is in canon thrice superceded with the Ambassador, Galaxy, and Sovereign and two more times in STO with the Noble class and the Odyssey.
Just because something is old doesn't mean you throw it away. But you do have to make way for the new.
then the klingon b'rel and k't'inga's, ancient enduring designs and most klingon designs last centuries before replacement and probably get upgrades. say what you like about starfleet engineers being creative and adapting, klingon engineers build their ships to last and easy to upgrade probably because they have prefabricated modular designed parts, so take an eps conduit from a negh'var and put it on a b'rel and there wont be any issue. so they must adapt the original design to be even more effective or design a new part that remains within standard specs to plug in correctly without issue. everything about their ships is geared towards combat.
adding dyson tech there? why would the klingons need it for? anyways, maybe they could bring back the d7 class with this tech.
That's their design philosophy. They build for ruggedness and they build to last.
But don't assume that they have a monopoly on modular parts. Starfleet vessels all have the same general parts even between widely different class. The EPS conduits are the same in the Galaxy, Intrepid, Defiant, etc. The isolinear chips, the components. Remember when Nog had to do all that horse trading in Treachery, Faith, and the Great River to get a ..what was it? A gravity plate. Regardless it was something that could be outfitted to the Cardassian station. Look at the nacelles on the Galaxy. Same as the New Orleans and Nebula classes.
Why would the Klingons need Dyson's tech? The same reason they'd want a Genesis Torpedo, cloak fire ships, or temporal deflectors. To keep an edge. If they get their hands on technology that helps them blow up Voth ships faster, believe me Klingons will use it.
"There is nothing more honorable than winning"~Chancellor Martok.
Something I have thought about when I have looked at those images of the hybrid ships. First off, these are three ships built be each faction using their current production capabilities along with dyson tech research or adaption. Since they said these ships were done by scientists, they may have a science slant I'm them, but all three factions are also dealing with constant fighting against the voth in the sphere, plus the escalating conflicts with the Borg and now icon isn threat. This may mean that these ships are battle ready science ships with the possibility of a more agressive weapons layout than other science ships. It could mean that these are the first science ships we get that have a more destroyer like layout or tactical layout with weapons like the 4 front and 2-3 aft weapons. So I am sort of keeping that idea in mind as I write about each ship design that I have noticed.
Feds for the most part seem to always tinker and improve their designs for ships, so they often times will reuse some aspects of another ship but modify sections or change the look completely. The fed ship seems the most unrecognizable one of the three as a whole, but I see elements from previous science and tactical ships.
The Klingons are not really known for science vessels. They are however known for war vessels and for reusing reliable designs. Since the destroyer is the newer design look, the moth got some elements from it in its design. This new hybrid ship probably borrowed from that chassis because a science vessel would not be based on a war cruiser hill, nor would they use a raptor hull or bird of prey. That only leaves one choice for a hill in use they can modify on that can fit the science ship size of ship while maintain a tactical advantage in war but not being a squishy ship either.
As for the romulan ship, yes they used a similar loom to their newest ship. This only makes sense as it is a hybrid design for a new Romulus ship. All other warbirds are pretty much a romulan star empire design, or reman In the case of the scimitar. Only the ar'kif and the destroyer are new romulan design. So it only seems natural to modify their only ship that they designed since becoming a republic.
All in all they look familiar to other ships for a reason. When in war, if you are designing a new warship, it is easier to modify and existing hull or pattern than it is to create brand new from scratch designs. This to me sounds like what they did for these new ships. I too am hoping for a science slant but then again it would also be a great opportunity to test out the double deflectors science ship if the rumors are true on the anniversary ship like they twisted out the cruiser commands on the avenger, and the raider flanking ability on the winter ship. Test it first before you change all of them, this way you only fix one ship if it doesn't work out right.
I would love for this. All of it.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
Usually thread that are closed and removed are because they are indeed the real thing and Cryptic thinks they can keep the secret by pretending it never happend.
It was the same with the Temporal ships...
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
Usually thread that are closed and removed are because they are indeed the real thing and Cryptic thinks they can keep the secret by pretending it never happend.
I agree. The Rom and Klingon ones look nice, but the Fed ship is horrendous. Some sort of water drop shape. What an unpleasant balance. I hope eazzie is right about them being fake. Cryptic seems to do better when they have fans design the ships.
This is fake. A thread earlier this week was removed for carrying these same images. These images are not to believed
If you mean the thread that was in 10 forward then it was merged into this one.
regardless of what happened, are you basing your evidence its a fake on a thread being closed? because either keeping it open, or closing it down can be taken as a sign they are genuine or fake depending on your viewpoint. it tells us nothing.
if the content is fake, why keep it up to rile the community further with something you were expecting but was never going to happen?
Except, that is not their way... If something is fake, they just tell it, and never visit the thread again..
THAT is how Cryptic works: If you want to keep it a secret, remove it and pretend it never happend. If it's fake, let it stick around.
In the 4? years I've been with this game, that is how they operate, both under Atari and PWE... Under D'angelo and under DStahl... There is absolutely no reason, evidence or reasoning that indicates they decided to change that way of working.
Nah, just kidding, it's probably the first one. What with Tim Russ, once more, reprising Tuvok and "Voyager's (now) mid-season mission to explore Delta Quadrant worlds" linked with the "no original ideas allowed" framework the cause is self-explanatory - Delta Quadrant's Dinoriders need more SCIENCE SHIPS!
I logged in today into my Fleet, and upon logging in I saw a message from one of my captains... which included a link... which turn to be Very interesting one once I saw what it contained...
Nah, just kidding, it's probably the first one. What with Tim Russ, once more, reprising Tuvok and "Voyager's (now) mid-season mission to explore Delta Quadrant worlds" linked with the "no original ideas allowed" framework the cause is self-explanatory - Delta Quadrant's Dinoriders need more SCIENCE SHIPS!
It conforms more with the Starcruiser than the Luna Class...
But I still think it's 90% of the SFC ship
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
I was thinking they might be able to change what class of ship they are. Kind of how the Chimera his 2 different modes but this would take that further.
When you switch modes it could switch the console allocation along with some Boff stations.
This would promote and teach you how to use the new ship management system all in one ship by saving different layouts on this ship.
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But what's that background? Is it the surface of a star? Will we be able to play a scenario or a mission insinde a star's corona? That would be pretty amazing. Shields slowly loosing power, sensors less reliable, solar flares damaging your ship....
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Romulans refitting T'Varo's is logical, they don't exactly have the greatest ship building capacity at the moment.
As for the Vulcans thanks to Starfleet's existence, their science ships don't have to be frontline vessels anymore which seriously extends their lifespan.
As for the Andorians, the Kumari is not the same ship as Shran's. It's based on and carries the design lineage forward, but it's not identical. It's the same as the fact that all Enterprises have the saucer, stardrive, and two nacelles configuration. (NX-01 got its stardrive later).
All Enterprise classes are present in the game. The different tiers reflect their relative strength. That is plainly false. The Enterprise was in such bad shape because Kirk was being a cocky idiot and assumed that "We are all one big happy fleet!" It's virtually identical to the D-12 vs Galaxy fight that ended the Enterprise-D. If you can fire without worrying about your enemy's shields you can pretty much destroy anyone. And calling Khan a madman is quite irrelevant. He was crazy, and very arrogant, not stupid. The Miranda class was a light cruiser while the Enterprise was a heavy cruiser of the same generation. If Kirk had raised his shields when he was supposed to, that fight would've gone very differently. Compare it to the amount of punishment the Enterprise took against Chang's Bird of Prey.
The Constitution was retired about a decade later, but the Enterprise-A was still a Constitution class. The NCC-1701 was constructed in 2245 and had already undergone a major refit at that point, that particular ship was already fifty years old, but the class still had life in it.
The Excelsior is certainly a cut above the rest, being in service for 80 going on 90 years by the time of the Dominion War and still in service. The Lakota upgrades made it only slightly weaker in combat than a brand new Defiant class. But the Excelsior is not so great as that Starfleet stopped developing better ships. Indeed in the frontline, deep space exploration role the Excelsior is in canon thrice superceded with the Ambassador, Galaxy, and Sovereign and two more times in STO with the Noble class and the Odyssey.
Just because something is old doesn't mean you throw it away. But you do have to make way for the new.
That's their design philosophy. They build for ruggedness and they build to last.
But don't assume that they have a monopoly on modular parts. Starfleet vessels all have the same general parts even between widely different class. The EPS conduits are the same in the Galaxy, Intrepid, Defiant, etc. The isolinear chips, the components. Remember when Nog had to do all that horse trading in Treachery, Faith, and the Great River to get a ..what was it? A gravity plate. Regardless it was something that could be outfitted to the Cardassian station. Look at the nacelles on the Galaxy. Same as the New Orleans and Nebula classes.
Why would the Klingons need Dyson's tech? The same reason they'd want a Genesis Torpedo, cloak fire ships, or temporal deflectors. To keep an edge. If they get their hands on technology that helps them blow up Voth ships faster, believe me Klingons will use it.
"There is nothing more honorable than winning"~Chancellor Martok.
I would love for this. All of it.
http://ufplanets.com/showthread.php?40733-(Unconfirmed)-4th-Anniversary-Ships
This is fake. A thread earlier this week was removed for carrying these same images. These images are not to believed
It was the same with the Temporal ships...
On this occasion the images are fake.
How do you know? Are you absolutely certain?
I mean i hope to god you are cause the Federation one isUGLY AS SIN, i mean it is the most hideous thing i have ever seen roll out.
Maybe we can have a Galaxy one
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If you mean the thread that was in 10 forward then it was merged into this one.
regardless of what happened, are you basing your evidence its a fake on a thread being closed? because either keeping it open, or closing it down can be taken as a sign they are genuine or fake depending on your viewpoint. it tells us nothing.
so what other evidence do you have its a fake?
In that case, it would have been easier for a Gold-name to drop in and say "nope guys... they're fake, just ignore the troll".
What possible purpose would it be to close / remove a thread, if the content is fake...
Oh and btw... People said the same about the temporal ships when people argued counter to the "they are fake" posts...
^This... Either provide evidence, or at least elaborate on why you believe they are fake, or drop the matter.
if the content is fake, why keep it up to rile the community further with something you were expecting but was never going to happen?
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
They could be the replacements for the Mirror Ships in the next lockbox
Except, that is not their way... If something is fake, they just tell it, and never visit the thread again..
THAT is how Cryptic works: If you want to keep it a secret, remove it and pretend it never happend. If it's fake, let it stick around.
In the 4? years I've been with this game, that is how they operate, both under Atari and PWE... Under D'angelo and under DStahl... There is absolutely no reason, evidence or reasoning that indicates they decided to change that way of working.
Edit: BTW - The Federation variant seemed familiar... couldn quite put my finger on it untill i saw this: http://images.wikia.com/startrek/images/d/d7/Okinawa_frigate.jpg
You want a recycled asset from the original Wing Commander game?
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Or this:
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Reconnaissance_Science_Vessel
Or this:
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Star_Cruiser
Nah, just kidding, it's probably the first one. What with Tim Russ, once more, reprising Tuvok and "Voyager's (now) mid-season mission to explore Delta Quadrant worlds" linked with the "no original ideas allowed" framework the cause is self-explanatory - Delta Quadrant's Dinoriders need more SCIENCE SHIPS!
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Fakes created by a troll. That's my take, anyway.
But if they are not fake, I will be very disappointed.
well none of the dev's have responded that they're fake.
i wouldn't see a breach of anything if they said they were.
It conforms more with the Starcruiser than the Luna Class...
But I still think it's 90% of the SFC ship
When you switch modes it could switch the console allocation along with some Boff stations.
This would promote and teach you how to use the new ship management system all in one ship by saving different layouts on this ship.
BINGO! That's the first thought I had when I saw it. :P
Nah, it's the Luna, that just what happens when a Luna hits a post at maximum warp.
The secondary hull is too short and the nacelles are curved downwars on the luna. Add to that that the saucer section is rasied on the Luna...
Sorry... but those two ships are about as similar as apples and oranges.
At this point I'm not entirely sure wheater you didn't get my joke or are just messing with me now. :P