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Re: 4-year annviersary ships - The Dyson Science Destroyers
strorus
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Howdy,
So we're getting a free Dyson Hybrid ship, any ideas on what you think they may look like and stats.
I for one hope they each have a Uni Cmd slot so any career can use them and maybe the free ship will have a fleet alt.
I really have no idea what they could look like.
Thoughts?
So we're getting a free Dyson Hybrid ship, any ideas on what you think they may look like and stats.
I for one hope they each have a Uni Cmd slot so any career can use them and maybe the free ship will have a fleet alt.
I really have no idea what they could look like.
Thoughts?
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Fed: http://www.poeghostal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/motuc-wind-raider-flight.jpg
KDF: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--vLqBKVOqlY/UFM5_aoYzLI/AAAAAAAADiw/Xk-4pLXBCDQ/s1600/motubattlebones.jpg
Prophets, make it stop!
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There is all ways 1 that asks for a connie CBS the guys that own all the right to star trek said no to all 3 ships being lvl 50 end game ships. As far as craptic concerned there would of all ready made them to get ur cash. E-mail CBS about it instead of changing a other thread i to we wont a connie plz. Yes i do like them before u start saying i dont like the tos films.
Im hoping for a sci or tac ship on the 30th
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in other words the ships you will get on the anniversary event are from ships that are in need of some retrofitting of dyson tech in order to bring them upto standards with 2409. the hybrid term is some technology built into the ship like voyager was with borg tech after 7 of 9 was freed from the collective.
fed speculation has: constellation, yeager and dauntless.
no one has speculated on kdf or rommie ships yet however i want to see kdf get a proper science ship and rommies get a proper carrier.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Seriously though, it could be similar to what they did for the Tal Shiar Adapted Ships. The Adapted Battle Cruiser is a heavily modified D'deridex and the Adapted Destroyer is a heavily modified Dhelan. So maybe modified versions of the Galaxy, D'deridex, and Negh'Var or some other ships that we currently have.
I second this and hope it is so. Good opportunity to revamp older ships and fill some holes in the line up. My personal choice would be Adapted Galaxy, Adapted Negh'var, and Adapted Guardian on the rom side. Not a lot of good choices for sci ships on Rom side and this would help that issue.
Yes, because when working with new powerful technology I'm sure they'll say "Hey! Lets take this fancy new technology and put it on ships that are more than a century old!" :rolleyes:
why not? raptors are 2 centuries old, the bop is a century old like the k't'inga and excelsior and yet these ships have seen constant upgrades to their designs. so a t5 miranda? can i pre-order them?
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I for one would prefer getting some of the missing canon ships at T5, rather than new cryptic designs. So far we already have a number of 22nd century era ships at T5 - Kumari, D'Kyr, Somraw, T'Varo. Expanding upon that wouldn't break immersion any more than the existing ones already do.
And enhancing them with Dyson-tech would actually be an explanation to have such ships on par with new designs. At least much more of an explanation than the aforementioned ships got.
In any case: So far we had Odyssey (Enterprise F) and Ambassador (Enterprise C). Another Enterprise would continue this pattern. Sovereign, Galaxy and Excelsior are already ingame and on Fleet level. Missing classes are Constitution and NX.
Because it's obvious Starfleet Engineers are always about bigger and better things? While Klingons when they find a design that works they stick with it.
true according to enterprise starfleet builds that class anyway
more like one of those technological designs that you run across that just happens to stick really really well. there is only two fed ship classes that survived from TOS to ds9 and 1 klingon design, excelsior, miranda and b'rel. starfleet is not known for keeping old tech laying around or always upgrading it, the connie was phased out by the excel and retired from service after a few decades of use, it was clear the connie was beyond upgrades to keep the class and then came the miranda vs connie fight, the miranda had the connie dead to rights anyways, it was by some action of kirk that the enterprise survived the fight at all, but even he realized his enterprise and in large the connie class as a whole was gone for good at that point. by mid 2300's the akira was designed and produced and the miranda was relegated to freight running until the design was recalled for the war. if the miranda could shame the connie in such a way even with a madman in control of the ship, then the excelsior would of been far more then a match in power if it came to a straight out fight as the miranda was just stronger but not by much.
the excelsior on the other hand had the transwarp drive failure but the design kept it going, got a sensor upgrade and spent the better part of its cycle as an admiral's flagship, ferrying VIP's around and such then came the upgrade just before the war to make the design even more stronger, enough to put it on par with the galaxy class. and since that happened then there clearly is still some more to be found in the design still before it gets put into retirement.
the excelsior had no need to cheat for dyson tech, however if it did get such tech, it may never need to retired for another century at least. but if the connie did, it may upgrade it to t5, but i doubt it would ever get beyond that because it's like putting a an aging stubborn feather weight fighter in the superweight category.
then the klingon b'rel and k't'inga's, ancient enduring designs and most klingon designs last centuries before replacement and probably get upgrades. say what you like about starfleet engineers being creative and adapting, klingon engineers build their ships to last and easy to upgrade probably because they have prefabricated modular designed parts, so take an eps conduit from a negh'var and put it on a b'rel and there wont be any issue. so they must adapt the original design to be even more effective or design a new part that remains within standard specs to plug in correctly without issue. everything about their ships is geared towards combat.
adding dyson tech there? why would the klingons need it for? anyways, maybe they could bring back the d7 class with this tech.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Just like the USS Dauntless is supposed to have the NX-01 registry in Voyager, while it's quite obvious it's not the Enterprise.
As for the Dauntless, I think it will come to STO anyway, at least I've heard rumor about it. Making sense or not. But I don't see how this ship is related to the Dyson sphere in any way. In fact, it's not even related to Starfleet in the first place, it was an Alien ship made to look like a Starfleet ship.
I find the current bunch to look an awe-full lot like bricks in space. I like the capabilities of the new Mogh class the KDF has, but I'm not terrible pleased with the look of the ship.
Klingon ships should leave you absolutely no doubt that your looking at a war ship.. A predator.
You should look at a Klingon ship and have the thought in your head.. that is not a ship that plays.."nice". Yet at the same time, an certain elegance should be there. The KDF-Klingon line up could definitely use a combat support/Science ship that is not a carrier. I'd prefer a 4/2 layout for such a KDF ship.. It's Klingon, It's aggressive, it's about attacking, not all around defense... And quite possible eliminating the cloak on such a ship. It should look, sleek, fast, powerful , and obviously a war ship. There should be several varieties...certainly the KDF has reached the point where it should take a page from the Federation play book and have a long range, high endurance exploration class of some sort.. but this would be a large ship... The KDF has plenty of large ships..what it could use is a re-imagining of the Raptor class of ships which are in the traditional frigate/light cruiser role....fast, agile, well armed, and designed to be aggressively handled.
I am uncertain what "Dyson Sphere" tech would even be appropriate for use on a KDF ship.
For the KDF, smaller might just be better. Part of what needs to be looked at is economic in nature... What can the KDF actually put in the field. , What would be more operationaly wise for them to field...
Historically on THIS planet during the the early part of the last century there was literally a cold war in ship building concerning what we now call "battleships" A race between gun size, protection, speed, and range or operations. By far the most powerfull battleship ever built was Japan's Yamato class being the most well protected, and packing the greatest firepower. Yet "protection" is more then just the amount of armor you can pack on a ship..Germany's Bismark class proved to be amazingly tough. The American Iowa class was a balance of offence, defence, speed and operational range that suited the needs of the American navy. Big ships are well and good.. and no one wants to face a navy that has nothing but battleships. But a modern navys recognize that naval ships need to be mission specific, and that more "Platforms" are better then bigger "Platforms"
Bigger ships suffer from having to many eggs in one basket with the down side of long building times, high crew requirements, and higher per unit production costs. And this is before even touching on the costs to maintain a ship in service. Yet at the same time larger ships have an advantage of being able to stay "On Station" for extended periods of time. This is something that is not reflected in STO unfortunately. If it were it would drastically change the nature of the game as far as captaining a ship is concerned.
The Federation's San Paulo class has massive offence and defense but very very very short "legs" That class needs to operate out of a base and would measure its "patrol" endurance as less then a couple weeks unless it can be resupplied on station. KDF Birds of Prey suffer from the same effect. Food, Air, Water, Waste handling, Reclamation.
A star ship is the sum of its parts. And STO does not reflect the operational and strategic limitations of Star ships in the game in any way what so ever. This is a major failing of this game in my opinion.
The Fed escort classes are powerful ships, but there are no limitations to their deployment or availability as would effect a real world situation. The capabilities of this class are exaggerated because of the lack of limitations on their deployment.
Perhaps someday a game like STO might reflect these limitations. But for now, STO is pure science fantasy when it comes to star ships.
Thanks you just made me drool a bit with that suggestion! LOL I would so love that ship!
My vote on that would probably be something of a science-y Destroyer, not entirely unlike the Vesta. But with less durability and more speed in the vein of the Risian corvette. (Not quite as squishy or fast as the Corvette but speed is supposed to be a hallmark of the Dauntless).
I've long said that one poath to a Tier 5 Connie or Connie like ship would be if it were Klingon designed.
Starfleet has a ton of Klingons in it now.
One Foundry mission I've thought about doing for some time would basically involve a bunch of Klingon Starfleet engineers going to Quinn and it going like this:
Klingon Engineer: "You humans are novelty obsessed. Shape has nothing to do with function, speed, or battle prowess in a starship."
Vulcan Advisor: "Our experiments show that contours affect the warp dynamics of a ship. Constant refinement of designs is logical."
Klingon Engineer: "Pfeh! Your taste for innovation is blinding you, Vulcan. Form and function are completely unrelated. Klingons have known this for centuries. Give us your oldest ship and month with our Klingon Starfleet design teams and we will outperform your newest ships."
Quinn: "That sounds like a challenge. I'm prepared to give the Klingon engineers in Starfleet a month to refit a constitution class ship and make their case in a wargames exercise. Vulcan commander, you'll be given command of an Avenger class battlecruiser for the war games exercise."
And then the player has to choose between the Vulcan team and the Klingon team, helping them prepare. While both teams have a few screwloose engineers sabotaging the other side that you have to contend with.
Yeah sorry. The Fed ship was actually the Wind Rider Shuttle.
This is the Fed ship: http://www.mastersunbound.com/toys/starship_eternia.htm
I guess I just don't see myself flying a ship that looks like the result of an Obelisk and an Odyssey/Bortas/Ha'pax thrown in a blender... :eek:
Maybe someone edited the wiki because he think it's a Dauntless. Or maybe they used the Dauntless, just like they used the Vissian ship, because they thought nobody would notice, or for a voyager easter egg.
Just like, we would have to assume the Sphere builders are Vissian. Or we would have to assume Romulan from the 22nd century found there way to the Delta quadrant, and used the Romulan drone ship in the 24th century. And that's just an example, ST reused plenty of assets and footage.