New BH System

O_Serenity_o - Heavens Tear · January 2010

I liked the old system better because when I didn't feel like doing a bh on one day I could save it for the next and still get exp. Now I can't do so and it's a bit difficult for me as I don't have enough time every day to complete all bhs on one day. I don't use this character as my main anymore so I don't know anything about bh 80+, but doing bh 39 on my veno is really annoying, it used to take about 20-30 mins but now if I want to do all of them it takes almost 2 hrs. But I don't do bhs every day anyway, so not that important for me.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · January 2010

Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This one is stupid. Warsong would probably be as well. All the rest of the BHs for lower levels as well as the 99s & 3-3 for 100+ you can maintain open to get your next target, however Warsong & Rebirth you cant hold the instance and get the next, there simply isnt enough time. I also wonder how the 99s would work, hopefully they wont give you the final boss 1st, then give you the boss you had to have already killed to open the door to the final boss (wouldnt surprise me, since you sometimes HAVE to kill stygean to proceed to Brigand & Linus, and after that they gave us Stygean...)

Ok we got the same thing again yesterday ><
1st >>>delta stage 2 boss
2nd >>>delta stage 3 boss
but this time we were able to hold the rebirth instance by setting 2 auras before lead(me) trashed the aura quest and everyone getting the fook out VERY quick > going to archo > get quest > NOT resquading and going back in. Do this in about 2min. >_> when we entered sure we got swarmed and **** and was kinda dangerous but we did get the continuation to 3rd stage boss. Astypoo and herne hunter made us try it

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · January 2010

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ok we got the same thing again yesterday ><
1st >>>delta stage 2 boss
2nd >>>delta stage 3 boss
but this time we were able to hold the rebirth instance by setting 2 auras before lead(me) trashed the aura quest and everyone getting the fook out VERY quick > going to archo > get quest > NOT resquading and going back in. Do this in about 2min. >_> when we entered sure we got swarmed and **** and was kinda dangerous but we did get the continuation to 3rd stage boss. Astypoo and herne hunter made us try it

We weren't as fast getting back into the instance as we should have been. Next time we should be able to do it 40 seconds faster.

Its not like there was much risk. If we failed we'd have to do the BH again from stage 3 but that was your original plan.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · January 2010

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

We weren't as fast getting back into the instance as we should have been. Next time we should be able to do it 40 seconds faster.

Its not like there was much risk. If we failed we'd have to do the BH again from stage 3 but that was your original plan.

*cough* 1m coins each pl0x b:chuckle

Shynrae - Sanctuary · January 2010

Here's my take on the BH system and the changes too it

Pro(IMO)

1> Potentially more XP
2> Potentially more molds drop
3> WOOhOO...new bosses to kill rather then the same few
day in and day out.

Con(IMO)

1> Increased wine costs for lvl70+
2> Large sums of time wasting trying to assemble a squads
finding proper members to assemble a squad has become drastically
more difficult and time consuming. I can only guess that key classes
are being monopolized by their factions and we arn't seening them
looking for pugz now.

Well thats my opinion on things...IMO the coin sink increase and BS
involved with trying to get a squad now for 3 consecutive BH's outways
the advantages of the new system...

I'm sure those happily in factions that run their BH's for them with faction
squads dont see this big problem. However those in factions that are
forced to find Pugz and those without factions that must look for pugz
aswell are sorta being punished by the new BH system for not being in a
"nice, helpful faction"

well thats my 2 zen worth

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · January 2010

Shynrae - Sanctuary wrote: »

Here's my take on the BH system and the changes too it

Pro(IMO)

1> Potentially more XP
2> Potentially more molds drop
3> WOOhOO...new bosses to kill rather then the same few
day in and day out.

Con(IMO)

1> Increased wine costs for lvl70+
2> Large sums of time wasting trying to assemble a squads
finding proper members to assemble a squad has become drastically
more difficult and time consuming. I can only guess that key classes
are being monopolized by their factions and we arn't seening them
looking for pugz now.

Well thats my opinion on things...IMO the coin sink increase and BS
involved with trying to get a squad now for 3 consecutive BH's outways
the advantages of the new system...

I'm sure those happily in factions that run their BH's for them with faction
squads dont see this big problem. However those in factions that are
forced to find Pugz and those without factions that must look for pugz
aswell are sorta being punished by the new BH system for not being in a
"nice, helpful faction"

well thats my 2 zen worth

+1% sales in teles? b:chuckle all my BHs i WC lol

Horikita - Dreamweaver · January 2010

Updated, new BH system rocks xD b:laugh

eatwithspoons · January 2010

Horikita - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Updated, new BH system rocks xD b:laugh

wait.... what?

RedsRose - Lost City · January 2010

Horikita - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Updated, new BH system rocks xD b:laugh

eatwithspoons wrote: »

wait.... what?

O.o

I took it as he/she likes the new way the BH's are set up/collected/etc....

Did I miss something?

Hari - Heavens Tear · January 2010

New BH System. Well, first off, I like it a lot. And... this is why.

Before, I could only get 1 BH per day - My timezone makes it hard to exploit a glitch to get 2 - now I get 2.

Before, the reward was random, from 2 mil to 400kxp/80ksp. Now, the first reward is still random, and the second means you can choose between 660k xp, 220k sp, or 66 rep (~95% of 100+ can use one of these 3)
Yes, this is potentially worse is you're one of the ~5% that can't use xp, sp, or rep, AND you could always get a second BH before. But that group is extremely small, and if you can't use xp, sp, or rep, you can just not do the second BH.

For anyone under 100, you get more xp for the first BH, and if you have more time, you get more xp for all 3 BHs than just 2, without the hassle of being at the Bounty Hunter NPC at a specific 5 minutes in the day. If you can't afford wines or something... don't do the extras. You had to wine instances before, you still have to now.

Kenichiiii - Sanctuary · January 2010

I like the old way better...

Only have to wine BH69. Since Stygean is fast. It takes less time and less money.

Now I have to wine BH69 and BH79 (To all you level 98+, a bunch of level 80s does not clear the whole BH79 fast enough). On top of this it takes forever. More money + more time does not equal better in any way shape or form.

Cant it be like: Get Nob/Pyro at once, THEN get Brig Transient?

Not:
1: Kill Nob, run out, run back, run to boss again.
2: Have other person run out, run back, run to boss again.
3: Wait for slow people.

Tryndal - Heavens Tear · January 2010

The new system sucks my ****.b:angryb:angryb:angry

I was getting 2 BH a day in total of 600k xp now this ****!!!!!

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary · January 2010

Kenichiiii - Sanctuary wrote: »

I like the old way better...

Only have to wine BH69. Since Stygean is fast. It takes less time and less money.

Now I have to wine BH69 and BH79 (To all you level 98+, a bunch of level 80s does not clear the whole BH79 fast enough). On top of this it takes forever. More money + more time does not equal better in any way shape or form.

Cant it be like: Get Nob/Pyro at once, THEN get Brig Transient?

Not:
1: Kill Nob, run out, run back, run to boss again.
2: Have other person run out, run back, run to boss again.
3: Wait for slow people.

We might as well not get a 3rd BH

1. It's the smallest amount of exp of the 3 quests
2. It costs wine, not only that, the most expensive type of wine.

No one is realistically going to do #3 BH brigand.

Santacruz - Heavens Tear · January 2010

new bh system is fail

..nuff said

Kohlyka - Heavens Tear · January 2010

I don't really prefer this new bh at all.

I have two avatars I play quite often, my veno (in my picture), and my lv50+ cleric (soon to be 60).

I also have college courses and a job, and it was a nice thing being able to complete both of my avatar's bh's for the day.

Now that there's three, I barely have enough time for one...

Especially the silly order I got for the BH39's today. Trioc>Calcid>Farren. If it went the other direction, the instance could've been held open and such, but you can't kill Trioc without killing Calcid first...

Santacruz - Heavens Tear · January 2010

Kohlyka - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I don't really prefer this new bh at all.

I have two avatars I play quite often, my veno (in my picture), and my lv50+ cleric (soon to be 60).

I also have college courses and a job, and it was a nice thing being able to complete both of my avatar's bh's for the day.

Now that there's three, I barely have enough time for one...

Especially the silly order I got for the BH39's today. Trioc>Calcid>Farren. If it went the other direction, the instance could've been held open and such, but you can't kill Trioc without killing Calcid first...

you know what they will say tho.

"ohh well you don't have to do them, there just there if u can"

this actually makes it harder to get people for the 1st bh....

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary · January 2010

I had the longest BH today ever, on my psychic. People had to run back to the npc, switch players in and out.. it just took way too long. Thumbs down.

Kohlyka - Heavens Tear · January 2010

Santacruz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

you know what they will say tho.

"ohh well you don't have to do them, there just there if u can"

this actually makes it harder to get people for the 1st bh....

I know I don't actually have to do them, but I liked being able to get the maximum exp from the daily quests, and then moving on with normal quests or helping faction members. It was the idea that I could do different things to level up my character rather than getting bored doing one.

And for the record, I'm sick of the bh39 on my cleric, lol. I had to kill Trioc and Calcid 3 times today: 1 for my first bh (had to kill Calcid to get to Trioc first), 1 for my second bh (because people wanted help with Trioc and I wanted help with Calcid), and 1 for my third (because I needed farren while the other players needed the other 2). I know, I was more or less dragged into them, but even as me just needing the 3 bosses once, I end up in this instance for way longer than I needed to be.

But out of curiosity, I was seeing that it was about 30k difference in experience (from one of the earlier posts I read). Is that 30k really worth the expense of having to do these?

I was skeptical on bh's when they first brought it out anyway as I was already in my lv70s, but I heard they had awesome exp, and eventually liked them. Maybe I'll like these ones too... maybe...

Sheeeba - Dreamweaver · January 2010

Personally, i think the whole system would be much improved simply by letting us take all 3 at the same time.

axt57 · January 2010

The new system has done something else too: it completely blew up the wine market. Can't find BH79 wine anywhere or the mats. Have to run it unwined.. takes time.

I don't know why they changed it; it was fine before... if it ain't broke don't fix it.

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary · January 2010

axt57 wrote: »

The new system has done something else too: it completely blew up the wine market. Can't find BH79 wine anywhere or the mats. Have to run it unwined.. takes time.

I don't know why they changed it; it was fine before... if it ain't broke don't fix it.

True. I saw a WC shout today

"Bh69 guarnob 3 spots left 100k wine split"

I'm guessing the reason they altered it was the mass spamming of tickets submitted with "zomgz! I can nut getz too BH's?! It r brokenz? Gimme 2 BH nao GM plzzzzzzzzzzzzz"

I'm not gonna lie though, the old system was a pain in the **** too. I'm one of those players who's stingy on paying wine fees everyday, so I wait till I get a stygean bh, or till I've got both guar and pole. But old BH used to be 90% pole 5% guar 5% stygean.

MagicHamsta - Lost City · January 2010

Me sort of prefer the old system.
b:surrender
me used to stack them and use the time saved to run quests, grind monies so that me can afford the wines, and mess around.
._.'

also the new system has me running back and forth from arch to the bh location.....
and using the telestone cost like 10k each time....
so me end up paying wine fee + like an extra 20-30k (since me would rather get in and out faster then wasting me own time and me squad member's time by flying there with me basic aero)
(>.<)'

LingBanamu - Sanctuary · January 2010

I prefer the old system for a simple reason; I spent about 7 hours running bhs on only my characters on Wednesday. That alone was enough for me to dislike the new BH system.

In addition to that, 5/6 of the squads I was in were horrible. I had every type of horrible in one day. Barbs with huge egos, fail venos, incompetent clerics, bad DDs, and not to mention idiots in every shape and form. Basically, I couldn't go through another day like that. Granted, there was some good coming from the squads, but the bad outweighed the good by far.

It could have been the fact that I have horrible luck. I mean, what sort of person gets 3 bad DDs in one squad and get 2 incompetent clerics in the next, while playing as the only barb in both squads? Yeah, bad experiences are bad. I have had (really) bad before, but never that much bad in one day.

Edit: I forgot to mention, the exp from the new BH is nice, but it is NOT worth the hassle.

-Ling

Ceshiari - Sanctuary · January 2010

I officially hate this system, and will be not doing it once I hit 90.

I dont have enough time in the day to farm for mats to cough up 2 wines for bh, nor do I have enough money to pay for overpriced player wines in cash shops, NOR do I have enough time to run back and forth and pay the teleport stone fees or whatever.

This is ridiculous....as someone said above me, if it aint broke, dont fckn fix it.

So....I guess while everyone else is doing their 2 hour bh chain quest, Ill be doing delta.

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver · January 2010

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

...
me used to stack them and use the time saved to run quests, grind monies so that me can afford the wines, and mess around.
._.'
...

I never used wines before and will not use them ever.

For those who use it - your quest instead of bounty hunter can be named bounty party ...

Reivi - Sanctuary · January 2010

the new system is a coin sink .... uberly well thinked

we arent forced to do the new BH, Its only "free" easy XP, that we can take or not. With the challenge to farm/buy (buying is quicker) mats multiple times.

most casual players wont have the time to farm the wines, and richer players wont take the time to farm the mats.. so the coin sink works as intended.

But, we can have multiple step 1 of the chain in our quest logs, and only 1 step 2 and 3

for 90+ chains are =

Brig, Sty, Minus
Phlebo, Sty, Minus
and there is one chain with Ethereal

there may be other bossses involved too

imagine

first day you do first step of chain (Brig or phlebo) and save up sty for the next day

Second day you get a new step 1 (brig or phlebo or ether) you can now do this step 1 and the step 2 from previous day, so you will get step 2 for that day, and step 3 from previous day

third day you get a new step1, you got step 2 from previous day, and step 3 from before, wich will get you finished chain, step 2 and step 3.

so.. only 1 wine, and (for 9xs) sty, minus, brig in whatever order you want ( or 89 boss, and then minus/brig)

(did test step 1 and step 2 from previous day and that works fine, need to test with the 3 steps)

for 8x you get pole, nob, pyro, brig (sty maybe??)

7x do have almost all the boss from 59 (havent seen qianji since the patch on my cleric) and pyro

a little organisation and even if you loose some xp on one day..you get to keep some money and do less messed up chains.

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver · January 2010

Reivi - Sanctuary wrote: »

...
imagine

first day you do first step of chain (Brig or phlebo) and save up sty for the next day

Second day you get a new step 1 (brig or phlebo or ether) you can now do this step 1 and the step 2 from previous day, so you will get step 2 for that day, and step 3 from previous day
...

If we will not accept message like "Quest is taken already".

Are old and new bh quests different ? Edit: (from first and from second day)

Ceshiari - Sanctuary · January 2010

Reivi - Sanctuary wrote: »

the new system is a coin sink .... uberly well thinked

we arent forced to do the new BH, Its only "free" easy XP, that we can take or not. With the challenge to farm/buy (buying is quicker) mats multiple times.

most casual players wont have the time to farm the wines, and richer players wont take the time to farm the mats.. so the coin sink works as intended.

But, we can have multiple step 1 of the chain in our quest logs, and only 1 step 2 and 3

for 90+ chains are =

Brig, Sty, Minus
Phlebo, Sty, Minus
and there is one chain with Ethereal

there may be other bossses involved too

imagine

first day you do first step of chain (Brig or phlebo) and save up sty for the next day

Second day you get a new step 1 (brig or phlebo or ether) you can now do this step 1 and the step 2 from previous day, so you will get step 2 for that day, and step 3 from previous day

third day you get a new step1, you got step 2 from previous day, and step 3 from before, wich will get you finished chain, step 2 and step 3.

so.. only 1 wine, and (for 9xs) sty, minus, brig in whatever order you want ( or 89 boss, and then minus/brig)

(did test step 1 and step 2 from previous day and that works fine, need to test with the 3 steps)

for 8x you get pole, nob, pyro, brig (sty maybe??)

7x do have almost all the boss from 59 (havent seen qianji since the patch on my cleric) and pyro

a little organisation and even if you loose some xp on one day..you get to keep some money and do less messed up chains.

too much thought and planning. This game is more and more becoming a job than relaxation and enjoyment.

as I said, you all pre-plan your bh's for the month, while I do deltas b:pleased

Reivi - Sanctuary · January 2010

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If we will not accept message like "Quest is taken already".

Are old and new bh quests different ? Edit: (from first and from second day)

when you give a BH back you do get a token ( LV1,2,3 bounty order) if you give back a step 1 before giving back a step 2, you will get the token in your inventory, this token lasts 30 minutes.. so give back step 2 before the 30 minutes is over to have the other step 2

Vinat - Sanctuary · January 2010

Reivi - Sanctuary wrote: »

the new system is a coin sink .... uberly well thinked

we arent forced to do the new BH, Its only "free" easy XP, that we can take or not. With the challenge to farm/buy (buying is quicker) mats multiple times.

most casual players wont have the time to farm the wines, and richer players wont take the time to farm the mats.. so the coin sink works as intended.

But, we can have multiple step 1 of the chain in our quest logs, and only 1 step 2 and 3

for 90+ chains are =

Brig, Sty, Minus
Phlebo, Sty, Minus
and there is one chain with Ethereal

there may be other bossses involved too

imagine

first day you do first step of chain (Brig or phlebo) and save up sty for the next day

Second day you get a new step 1 (brig or phlebo or ether) you can now do this step 1 and the step 2 from previous day, so you will get step 2 for that day, and step 3 from previous day

third day you get a new step1, you got step 2 from previous day, and step 3 from before, wich will get you finished chain, step 2 and step 3.

so.. only 1 wine, and (for 9xs) sty, minus, brig in whatever order you want ( or 89 boss, and then minus/brig)

(did test step 1 and step 2 from previous day and that works fine, need to test with the 3 steps)

for 8x you get pole, nob, pyro, brig (sty maybe??)

7x do have almost all the boss from 59 (havent seen qianji since the patch on my cleric) and pyro

a little organisation and even if you loose some xp on one day..you get to keep some money and do less messed up chains.

you are not serious, are you?

first of all.. no, this is not a coin sink. when you BUY wine, your coins do not disappear, they change hands. the only coin sink part of this would be using the illusion stone to teleport to the dungeon 3 times (15k total at lower lvls, 30k total at higher lvls).

second of all.. it's linus. and the 79 chain is linus, then stygean, then brig. not brig first.

3rd of all. some people have been able to pick up 2 a day, the phlebo "chain" and the linus chain.

it would make much more sense to do the full linus chain. all in 79, then if you wanted, go for phlebo after, seperately.

ive already tested, you cannot get 2 step 2s in one day.

and all of the people who are deliberatly not finishing a full chain are a big part of the problem.

it's easiest if you get a full squad of people who have the same exact chain. in the case of the linus chain, you clear the mobs up to the doors, if hooli's door is closed, you leave and reset, repeat until hooli's door is open. wine it, go kill linus, leave, get stygean bh, come back for him, leav, get brig, come back = DONE. 3 bh on 1 wine.

but no, there are people stopping at step 2 or 3. thinking they can idk.. save money.. get more exp.. idk. all they are really doing is **** themselves and **** everybody else by making things more confusing than it has to be.

chains are fixed. youre not going to get phlebo then (B) while someone else gets phlebo followed by (C,D, or E). it's stupid people who get in a new squad for every step that are driving the wine prices up.

stay in your squads and finish out the full chain. every day. not over 3 days.

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