The rank had disappeared in TNG. But since Officers of that rank were seen numerous times during TOS, it would be wholly appropriate for the rank to be incorporated into the expansion.
Officers with that rank were not seen in TNG is a more accurate way of putting it.
The way you worded it suggests that the rank itself was removed, something for which there is no evidence.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The rank had disappeared in TNG. But since Officers of that rank were seen numerous times during TOS, it would be wholly appropriate for the rank to be incorporated into the expansion.
Officers with that rank were not seen in TNG is a more accurate way of putting it.
The way you worded it suggests that the rank itself was removed, something for which there is no evidence.
Okay, good point and apologies for the poor wording of my previous post.
However, again, in the context of the expansion I maintain the opinion that it is a wholly appropriate rank for the era the expansion represents.
It would be, but it's been mentioned that the TOS faction ends up in the 'present'. It hasn't been mentioned by what point, but if it's after captain then it's most likely that the TOS character will default to STO's Federation (and non-canon) rank system.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Yeah, I hope they cap rank at Captain for the AoY characters, but if they really, really have to force a 'admiral' rank down our throats at least let it end at Commodore (but Captain would be best)
Thankfully they won't rank cap halfway through natural Starfleet progression.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Just an FYI and having spent 7 years as a military man let me shed some light on customs and courtesys on ranks at flag rank.
When passing a flag officer, you don't say "good morning Brigadier General". You simply say "good morning General". Same applies to admiral. It's a simple courtesy to those who have achieved flag rank.
Same concept of regardless of his actual rank, captains of ships are still referred to as Captain. As some submarine and Destroyer captains actually have the rank of LT Cmdr and Cmdr and some smaller patrol boats have SG LT in command, but are still called Captain.
Same concept applies. So when calling Kirk TWOK "Admiral" if you look at his rank insignia closely he's a RADM LH, he simply gets the courtesy of being called "Admiral".
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Did you serve in Starfleet? Because a non-military organisation in the future as part of a coalition of planets that are mainly not Earth may just have different protocols.
So by looking closely at Kirk's sleeves you can see he's a Commodore or a Rear Admiral. Also remember he has to be demoted to Captain to take command of the Enterprise, is that US military procedure?
Starfleet Admirals command starships, Starfleet crews are mainly officers with few crewmembers, NCO's are all but nonexistent, no salutes are given, career progression is different, promotions are given in different circumstances, relationships between acting and full officers of a lower rank are different, promotions to Commander to Admiral are part of normal career progression. How much of that is similar to the 21st century American military?
Trying to extrapolate anything of Starfleet based on any real life military is a pointless exercise because they are not comparable.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The Kirk Admiral thing, I'm not sure and too lazy to check right now, but I seem to remember the only time we have a rear admiral identified is on a two star admiral (which might even have worn four pips on screen?). That still leaves one star admirals only ever being adressed at commodore in canon. Kirk does show two stars/stripes on the TWOK uniform I think, but please correct me if that's wrong, like I said I'm too lazy right now to check.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Looking at that it appears that Kirk is a Rear Admiral, he has an extra stripe over the large, thick stripe Decker has.
What has the world come to when I'm the one bothering to check and you're just guessing .
We have extrapolated Rear Admirals in TNG onwards with the two pip ranks
Then we have these guys (1, 2, and 3) who Memory Alpha (in their usual compleatly unsourced way) are refering to as Rear Admirals despite us having no context for whatever those long gold things are. If they are ranks, I count 7 pips, that's two higher than Fleet Admiral!
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Looking at that it appears that Kirk is a Rear Admiral, he has an extra stripe over the large, thick stripe Decker has.
What has the world come to when I'm the one bothering to check and you're just guessing .
Yah, well, you know... sometimes I'm just tired
But my assumption was right. Kirk is a two pip/star/whatever admiral which is a rear admiral (no half because - just no halves) and Decker is a one star/thingy/nubsi flag officer identified as Commodore. To me that's enough canon to say one hahoo - Commodore, two - rear admiral, three vice admiral and four 'full' admiral. "Fleet Admirals" are actually positions not ranks as most fleet admirals in canon were vice admirals.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Thankfully they won't rank cap halfway through UNnatural Starfleet progression.
Fixed that for you.
Captain was the hero rank in Star Trek - we never saw a RECURRING admiral command a starship, and in most cases when they did, they were shown as inept (Kirk was the unwilling exception and did everything he could to command a starship again - which they finally had to demote him to CAPTAIN do.)
Admiral is the 'hero' rank in STO (because of a very bad decision by Cryptic to kowtow to a single developer - see below). Let's get that straight.
Cryptic has an opportunity here to reverse that terrible mistake - with excellent cause - for AoY characters. CAPTAIN was the 'end game' rank for them.
And? Not ever Starfleet captain is Kirk. Archer and Janeway accepted their promotions to Admirals, Sisko to Captain. Not everybody wants to be Kirk, some of us want to be Decker because...
...then explain how Rear Admiral Lower Half sounds less awesome then Commodore. The former makes you a pretend Rear Admiral, the latter gives you the brass the give a Doomsday Device the nuclear headbut.
#Deckernotkirk
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Never understood why we can't just be referred to by whatever rank we choose, especially when NPCs tend not to say our names aside from the voice-overs when you're leveling. It can't be that hard to have it do a brief check to see what you've set your preferred rank to so that the NPCs will be like 'Hello, <Rank>.' can it?
Never understood why we can't just be referred to by whatever rank we choose, especially when NPCs tend not to say our names aside from the voice-overs when you're leveling. It can't be that hard to have it do a brief check to see what you've set your preferred rank to so that the NPCs will be like 'Hello, <Rank>.' can it?
This was asked for since forever. Devs said (I think) it was too much effort to revisit every single dialogue as they had to change it manually. Hasn'T happened in six years, won't happen int he next six.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
they had to manually alter every dialogue to keep them from breaking cloak too, yet they still did it for LoR
(of course, in typical cryptic fashion, they MISSED most of them at launch, and while some were fixed in the following months, there are still some dialogues that still break cloak)
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Never understood why we can't just be referred to by whatever rank we choose, especially when NPCs tend not to say our names aside from the voice-overs when you're leveling. It can't be that hard to have it do a brief check to see what you've set your preferred rank to so that the NPCs will be like 'Hello, <Rank>.' can it?
This was asked for since forever. Devs said (I think) it was too much effort to revisit every single dialogue as they had to change it manually. Hasn'T happened in six years, won't happen int he next six.
Yeah, I can't help but doubt that considering similar things I remember seeing from earlier Cryptic games.
they had to manually alter every dialogue to keep them from breaking cloak too, yet they still did it for LoR
(of course, in typical cryptic fashion, they MISSED most of them at launch, and while some were fixed in the following months, there are still some dialogues that still break cloak)
that had ships sells on the line, when cloaking ship were what they were selling. they aren't making money off dialogue.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
they had to manually alter every dialogue to keep them from breaking cloak too, yet they still did it for LoR
(of course, in typical cryptic fashion, they MISSED most of them at launch, and while some were fixed in the following months, there are still some dialogues that still break cloak)
that had ships sells on the line, when cloaking ship were what they were selling. they aren't making money off dialogue.
Then we have these guys (1, 2, and 3) who Memory Alpha (in their usual compleatly unsourced way) are refering to as Rear Admirals despite us having no context for whatever those long gold things are.
Admiral Savar was played by Henry Darrow. His rank insignia was an admiral braid and one pip, indicating a rear admiral in the TNG season one rank insignia.
Admiral Quinn was played by Ward Costello. His rank insignia was an admiral braid with no pip, which costume notes have indicated as rear admiral (lower half).
guess again; they did source it; non-canon it may be, but it's still a source
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
That's text not a source. Even Wikipedia links to the sources their citations refer to.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Even if costume note "no pip means RA" would count, even though it was never established, that still leaves one pips in the room
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Not I. "General Krefnu" (my female Orion) and "General Kal'ela" (my female KDF-allied Romulan) sound pretty good to me. They'll just be miffed that, as level 60 characters, they can't take part in AoY. I'll find them something glorious to keep them distracted in the meantime.
Aww darn, only a week to go before this would have zombied out. Sherlock Holmes would have been out of his element here with all his deductive reasoning and such. There is no room for that here, just slavish adherence to canon (though I do have a great fondness for Torpedoes).
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Thankfully they won't rank cap halfway through UNnatural Starfleet progression.
Fixed that for you.
Captain was the hero rank in Star Trek - we never saw a RECURRING admiral command a starship, and in most cases when they did, they were shown as inept (Kirk was the unwilling exception and did everything he could to command a starship again - which they finally had to demote him to CAPTAIN do.)
Admiral is the 'hero' rank in STO (because of a very bad decision by Cryptic to kowtow to a single developer - see below). Let's get that straight.
Cryptic has an opportunity here to reverse that terrible mistake - with excellent cause - for AoY characters. CAPTAIN was the 'end game' rank for them.
And? Not ever Starfleet captain is Kirk. Archer and Janeway accepted their promotions to Admirals, Sisko to Captain. Not everybody wants to be Kirk, some of us want to be Decker because...
...then explain how Rear Admiral Lower Half sounds less awesome then Commodore. The former makes you a pretend Rear Admiral, the latter gives you the brass the give a Doomsday Device the nuclear headbut.
#Deckernotkirk
This just underscores the fact that admirals (commodores) were unfit for continuous command of starships in TOS.
How being mentally unstable with a death wish is a positive argument for making starship commanders admirals is beyond me. And Decker was one of the better ones shown in the series...
Also, when did we see 'Admiral' Archer commanding anything? And Janeway...well, there is another "I've been working a desk job, but I come out of 'retirement' to temporarily command a starship so I can commit suicide" example.
#captainsaretherealheroes
Because no Captain ever made unfit decisions. We never did see Admiral Archer or Janeway command a ship, and I never said we did. My point there was that Kirk is the only officer (other than Riker) who refused to grow up and accept his promotion because he believed they would take his ship away from him (an assumption that Decker and Ross prove to be unfounded).
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
so if a page doesn't have those links, ADD them instead of bitching about the lack of them
How can you add a source for a information you have no idea where it comes from? The claim that the costume said RALH is, for the lack of verification, a baseless claim someone put there. Usually MA doesn't allow that kind of speculation, but if it's true we have no way of tracking where the information is coming from.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
they already SAID where it's coming from - the costume notes
what those are, i have no idea - i'm not a producer, but presumably they were either auctioned off with all other star trek items of a similar type like episode and movie scripts, or they're in hollywood's archives; either way, there should be screens or photocopies floating around somewhere
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
they already SAID where it's coming from - the costume notes
what those are, i have no idea - i'm not a producer, but presumably they were either auctioned off with all other star trek items of a similar type like episode and movie scripts, or they're in hollywood's archives; either way, there should be screens or photocopies floating around somewhere
That's not an adequate citation. I can claim something is stated in some work which makes it baseless as long as I can cite whatever it is I'm referring to. You said it yourself - you have no idea what a "costume note" is or where it comes from. I can add a passage to the article right now stating "in a unreleased production note, the Admiral is identified as a Android". Same thing.
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^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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Officers with that rank were not seen in TNG is a more accurate way of putting it.
The way you worded it suggests that the rank itself was removed, something for which there is no evidence.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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It would be, but it's been mentioned that the TOS faction ends up in the 'present'. It hasn't been mentioned by what point, but if it's after captain then it's most likely that the TOS character will default to STO's Federation (and non-canon) rank system.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Thankfully they won't rank cap halfway through natural Starfleet progression.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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When passing a flag officer, you don't say "good morning Brigadier General". You simply say "good morning General". Same applies to admiral. It's a simple courtesy to those who have achieved flag rank.
Same concept of regardless of his actual rank, captains of ships are still referred to as Captain. As some submarine and Destroyer captains actually have the rank of LT Cmdr and Cmdr and some smaller patrol boats have SG LT in command, but are still called Captain.
Same concept applies. So when calling Kirk TWOK "Admiral" if you look at his rank insignia closely he's a RADM LH, he simply gets the courtesy of being called "Admiral".
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So by looking closely at Kirk's sleeves you can see he's a Commodore or a Rear Admiral. Also remember he has to be demoted to Captain to take command of the Enterprise, is that US military procedure?
Starfleet Admirals command starships, Starfleet crews are mainly officers with few crewmembers, NCO's are all but nonexistent, no salutes are given, career progression is different, promotions are given in different circumstances, relationships between acting and full officers of a lower rank are different, promotions to Commander to Admiral are part of normal career progression. How much of that is similar to the 21st century American military?
Trying to extrapolate anything of Starfleet based on any real life military is a pointless exercise because they are not comparable.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Looking at that it appears that Kirk is a Rear Admiral, he has an extra stripe over the large, thick stripe Decker has.
What has the world come to when I'm the one bothering to check and you're just guessing
We have extrapolated Rear Admirals in TNG onwards with the two pip ranks
Then we have these guys (1, 2, and 3) who Memory Alpha (in their usual compleatly unsourced way) are refering to as Rear Admirals despite us having no context for whatever those long gold things are. If they are ranks, I count 7 pips, that's two higher than Fleet Admiral!
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Yah, well, you know... sometimes I'm just tired
But my assumption was right. Kirk is a two pip/star/whatever admiral which is a rear admiral (no half because - just no halves) and Decker is a one star/thingy/nubsi flag officer identified as Commodore. To me that's enough canon to say one hahoo - Commodore, two - rear admiral, three vice admiral and four 'full' admiral. "Fleet Admirals" are actually positions not ranks as most fleet admirals in canon were vice admirals.
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And? Not ever Starfleet captain is Kirk. Archer and Janeway accepted their promotions to Admirals, Sisko to Captain. Not everybody wants to be Kirk, some of us want to be Decker because...
#Deckernotkirk
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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This was asked for since forever. Devs said (I think) it was too much effort to revisit every single dialogue as they had to change it manually. Hasn'T happened in six years, won't happen int he next six.
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(of course, in typical cryptic fashion, they MISSED most of them at launch, and while some were fixed in the following months, there are still some dialogues that still break cloak)
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Yeah, I can't help but doubt that considering similar things I remember seeing from earlier Cryptic games.
that had ships sells on the line, when cloaking ship were what they were selling. they aren't making money off dialogue.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
I'd pay for good dialogue, believe me.
guess again; they did source it; non-canon it may be, but it's still a source
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Not I. "General Krefnu" (my female Orion) and "General Kal'ela" (my female KDF-allied Romulan) sound pretty good to me. They'll just be miffed that, as level 60 characters, they can't take part in AoY. I'll find them something glorious to keep them distracted in the meantime.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Because no Captain ever made unfit decisions. We never did see Admiral Archer or Janeway command a ship, and I never said we did. My point there was that Kirk is the only officer (other than Riker) who refused to grow up and accept his promotion because he believed they would take his ship away from him (an assumption that Decker and Ross prove to be unfounded).
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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How can you add a source for a information you have no idea where it comes from? The claim that the costume said RALH is, for the lack of verification, a baseless claim someone put there. Usually MA doesn't allow that kind of speculation, but if it's true we have no way of tracking where the information is coming from.
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what those are, i have no idea - i'm not a producer, but presumably they were either auctioned off with all other star trek items of a similar type like episode and movie scripts, or they're in hollywood's archives; either way, there should be screens or photocopies floating around somewhere
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
That's not an adequate citation. I can claim something is stated in some work which makes it baseless as long as I can cite whatever it is I'm referring to. You said it yourself - you have no idea what a "costume note" is or where it comes from. I can add a passage to the article right now stating "in a unreleased production note, the Admiral is identified as a Android". Same thing.
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