So you're basically tossing out whatever you feel and going with your theory. I'm done trying to argue with stupid here. EVEN THE OWN MOVIE TELLS YOU YOU'RE WRONG.
And all you say is "well can't trust the movie because reasons".
It's undeniably significantly larger than contemporary ships and is noticeably more heavily armed while taking many more design cues from post Kelvin design sensibilities then it does TOS. (s)he has some good points, and no amount of capslock/keyboard mashing really changes that.
Be that as it may, the movie itself, what is canon for pete's sake has completely debunked the theory and the reply is "oh you simply can't trust the movie." Moving goalposts much?
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So you're basically tossing out whatever you feel and going with your theory. I'm done trying to argue with stupid here. EVEN THE OWN MOVIE TELLS YOU YOU'RE WRONG.
And all you say is "well can't trust the movie because reasons".
It's undeniably significantly larger than contemporary ships and is noticeably more heavily armed while taking many more design cues from post Kelvin design sensibilities then it does TOS. (s)he has some good points, and no amount of capslock/keyboard mashing really changes that.
Being larger could just mean that at the time, they needed all that space to fit the technological capabilities they wanted into the ship.
The Constitution was a later design that might have been able to achieve more with less, and so they went with the more efficient package in the original timeline. But in the Kelvin Timeline, they used that new technology of the Connie to put more stuff in it, because they realized that it was possible that they might have to deal with much larger and more powerful ships then they had anticipated.
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It's only slightly bigger than the TOS Constitution. And it's aesthetics are more similar to ENT than anything post TOS.
And all their points have been adressed above.
How exactly? Engineering looks like a factory, which is more in line with NuTrek Enterprise's brewery, and while the NX was utilitarian, Engineering was pretty compact and clearly laid out compared to whatever that mess was. Likewise, the bridge has the window/viewscreen combo which is unique to the NuTrek timeline, and does not exist in either ENT or TOS-onwards. Likewise, it uses pulse weapons despite them becoming obsolete in ENT era..something like 80 earlier...and only coming back in Wrath of Khan(briefly) yet fit in pretty well with NuTrek Enterprise's armament. The Nacelle-mounted impulse engine and cavernous hanger stuffed with shuttles (essentially runabouts) are also design sensibilities that are more at home with Nutrek than alongside either ENT or TOS.
What exactly in Starfleet isn't bigger than? The Saladin? Daedalus? Both of those are even smaller. Heck, the cutting edge ship that eventually replaced it, the excelsior-is still smaller than it and undergunned by comparison. One of the explanations given as to why NuTrek has such large ships and are so heavily armed compared to prime-verse counterparts is that the destruction of the Kelvin convinced starfleet to heavily militarize-yet the Kelvin itself wouldn't look out of place in post-Kelvin, where the same cannot be said of it when placed alongside its supposed primeverse contemporaries.
you see that big red line on the kelvin's saucer? see it? that's the ship's impulse engines...they are NOT mounted on the warp nacelles - same goes with the enterprise
anyone who thinks the warp nacelles in KTTrek are also impulse engines clearly has no idea what an impulse engine looks like
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you see that big red line on the kelvin's saucer? see it? that's the ship's impulse engines...they are NOT mounted on the warp nacelles - same goes with the enterprise
anyone who thinks the warp nacelles in KTTrek are also impulse engines clearly has no idea what an impulse engine looks like
Do you see that big white ball of light directly underneath it? That the camera zooms onto as it flares up right as the Kelvin accelerates and rams into the Narada? Because it's pretty obvious that it's functioning as an impulse engine in that scene.
For whatever reason the folks who designed the ship in the reboot decided that the conventional impulse engines on Trek ships weren't obvious enough as a source of sub-light thrust, so decided to turn the warp nacelles to that purpose too....because every single warp pylon in the new trek has that identical aperture on the back. No ships in the Primeverse have been shown to have such a feature.
So yes, the JJverse warp pylons double as impulse engines as well, as strange as that may seem.
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just because the ship moved fast at the same time the flap moved, doesn't make it a source of thrust
DS9 started moving really fast after a giant energy bubble wrapped around it - doesn't mean the shield generators were also impulse engines
There's a pretty clear chain of events there. daddy Kirk sets the course, camera zooms in on warp pylon aperture, which then dilates and begins vomiting lens flare all over the screen and the ship moves forward. If it wasn't remotely connected to the ships thrust, why on earth would the camera shift to it to show it spewing out light, instead of...y'know the impulse engine on the back of the saucer. They were pretty clearly trying to convey that the blue-white aperture on the back spewing out light was providing thrust.
You have to be working hard to somehow miss what that scene was showing.
Does anyone here really believe that the Romulan War was fought with primitive atomic weapons, and crude ships that made quater or taking captives impossible? Ent would suggest that that is a load of guff.
Canon changes. Retcons happen. Doesn't mean a whole new universe; it just means that modern Trek was made by modern people for modern audiences. Nobody makes Hollywood blockbusters for audiences from 40 years ago; and it would make no sense to expect them to do so.
or they were trying to convey that the nacelle, which is a giant subspace field generator, was reconfiguring its subspace field to allow for maximum acceleration from the IMPULSE ENGINES
that the nacelle was 'spewing light' means absolutely nothing, because guess what? ALL starfleet ship nacelles spew light when the ship goes to warp, and in the case of the TMP era, they spew it in a trail-like exhaust pattern
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You have to be working hard to somehow miss what that scene was showing.
Hey now, hold up a sec. Let's remember where we are. We're in a thread that was created to suggest a movie called Star Trek isn't Star Trek enough to be called Star Trek.
Most of the hard work here isn't being done by folks arguing over lighting effects on a warp nacelle.
Do you see that big white ball of light directly underneath it? That the camera zooms onto as it flares up right as the Kelvin accelerates and rams into the Narada? Because it's pretty obvious that it's functioning as an impulse engine in that scene.
For whatever reason the folks who designed the ship in the reboot decided that the conventional impulse engines on Trek ships weren't obvious enough as a source of sub-light thrust, so decided to turn the warp nacelles to that purpose too....because every single warp pylon in the new trek has that identical aperture on the back. No ships in the Primeverse have been shown to have such a feature.
So yes, the JJverse warp pylons double as impulse engines as well, as strange as that may seem.
Yes your very correct. As the effects shot purposely used that to show the ship to move at a faster rate of speed. Thus making this nacelle having impulse power. This is not Prime Universe Tech.
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or they were trying to convey that the nacelle, which is a giant subspace field generator, was reconfiguring its subspace field to allow for maximum acceleration from the IMPULSE ENGINES
that the nacelle was 'spewing light' means absolutely nothing, because guess what? ALL starfleet ship nacelles spew light when the ship goes to warp, and in the case of the TMP era, they spew it in a trail-like exhaust pattern
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or they were trying to convey that the nacelle, which is a giant subspace field generator, was reconfiguring its subspace field to allow for maximum acceleration from the IMPULSE ENGINES
that the nacelle was 'spewing light' means absolutely nothing, because guess what? ALL starfleet ship nacelles spew light when the ship goes to warp, and in the case of the TMP era, they spew it in a trail-like exhaust pattern
Now you are just being willfully ignorant to the information right in front of you.
"re-configuring its subspace field to allow for maximum acceleration from the impulse engines". Right. That's obviously what's happening, and any layman can just put one and one together and come to that elementary conclusion based on the dialogue of the scene and the wealth of on-screen evidence on how impulse engines and warp pylons interact every other time in Trek. Either that or you are just desperately grasping at straws at this point to scrabble together any ol' explanation that justifies your point of view.
I don't know where on earth you are getting that TOS movie era had exhaust trails, because ships in the TOS movies don't leave exhaust trails when they go to warp.
Kelvin is not going to warp in that scene, it's using sublight propulsion. it is spewing light out of the backside of its warp pylon to provide thrust at sublight speeds, so it means a heck of a lot in regards to how JJVerse ships work compared to Primeverse ships.
You have to be working hard to somehow miss what that scene was showing.
Hey now, hold up a sec. Let's remember where we are. We're in a thread that was created to suggest a movie called Star Trek isn't Star Trek enough to be called Star Trek.
Most of the hard work here isn't being done by folks arguing over lighting effects on a warp nacelle.
The discussion may have meandered a little bit, but I believe what started this little debate was the assertion that NuTrek is best defined as a Star Trek reboot or alternate universe rather than a branching timeline due to apparent preexisting differences in that universe and the Primeverse prior to their supposed divergence at the Kelvin incident. So it's at least a little bit relevant IMO.
i said NOTHING about TOS - i said TMP; get your goddamn facts straight
as for the rest of that targ manure floundering around in de-nile interspaced with forum ToS violations, i'm not even dignifying that with a response
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i said NOTHING about TOS - i said TMP; get your goddamn facts straight
as for the rest of that targ manure floundering around in de-nile interspaced with forum ToS violations, i'm not even dignifying that with a response
Not that the distinction matters in the least, Because the TOS movie era includes ST I-VI.
Furthermore, the TMP warp trail effect cannot be defined as an exhaust trail any more than any of the other light trail warp effects in any of the other movies. Or shows for that matter. The stretching+streak of light that Trek ships exhibit when going to warp/coming out of warp is supposed to represent the optical effect of an outsider viewing the space-distorting effects of the warp bubble. TMP just took things in a somewhat more psychedelic direction. TMP could be a bit weird.
The Kelvin notably was not traveling at warp when it rammed the Narada, and did not exhibit any of the aforementioned characteristics.
But going by errr....the current state of your side of the debate. I don't think the matter of the Kelvin's Warp-impulse Nacelles is really worth pursuing. I feel their dual status as warp pylons and impulse engines is pretty well established at this point.
or they were trying to convey that the nacelle, which is a giant subspace field generator, was reconfiguring its subspace field to allow for maximum acceleration from the IMPULSE ENGINES
that the nacelle was 'spewing light' means absolutely nothing, because guess what? ALL starfleet ship nacelles spew light when the ship goes to warp, and in the case of the TMP era, they spew it in a trail-like exhaust pattern
Regardless of what it's actually doing, I think it's pretty obvious the CGI artists and/or JJ Abrams had no idea what the difference was between the nacelles and the impulse engines, and intended for that to be an exhaust effect. I just chalk it up to an art error, just like the art errors that make the size of the JJ-prise ambiguous.
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In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Wait, guys, so which Star Trek is the one real true Star Trek?
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Regardless of what it's actually doing, I think it's pretty obvious the CGI artists and/or JJ Abrams had no idea what the difference was between the nacelles and the impulse engines, and intended for that to be an exhaust effect. I just chalk it up to an art error, just like the art errors that make the size of the JJ-prise ambiguous.
This is the part where I was talking about "just going back in time". Someone didn't do their homework, thus made it not going back in time. When you just go back in time only, you use stuff from the past that is already known canon. They done this before, but this time they didn't. So yes either they goofed up cause they didn't care about it, or they wanted a new Universe so they can be free in their story telling for this current series.
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The Franklin isn't part of the first 2 movies, until it comes out in theater. It can't be part of this. Unless they tell how hold she really is. So that part of the debate is nothing there.
You state claims, but you won't offer any evidence to back it up. So where is your proof. I showed mine going by the movies. So your refusing the back it up.
Another on the forum added something else. Reviewing that clip showed another big factor to back mine up. The Kelvin had the same type Engineering as the KT Enterprise. Where NX shows they had a better fitting engineering to match the ship. Not some vast factory where they brew. Even the TOS Connie's engineering didn't look like a brewery. Which of course that is where they filmed the shots, in a real brewery. Cause they was too cheap to create a more functional engineering like the rest of the movies and shows. This is also not part of Prime Universe, thus making it a different one.
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...or they wanted a new Universe so they can be free in their story telling for this current series.
And they made one. Starting with the Narada's attack on the Kelvin. That is onscreen canon.
Or are you expecting internal consistency in Trek? Because FC (my favorite Prime Universe movie) had that little spot of bother where Worf mentioned "Deck 26," then Picard went and said the Ent-E had 24 decks.
The Kelvin's weird warp flare thing is just an art/research error. Chill out people.
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Not when you consider TRIBBLE like Star Trek: Voyager or Star Trek V: The Final Frontier or Star trek: Nemesis it's not.
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TOS - Grew up watching it 24/7, Doomsday Machine and Gary Mitchell episodes rocked
STNG - Pretty cool, Ltc Data, Lore, Hugh, Borg and Q all rocked
DS9 - Freaking hated it, someone slap Sisko !!!
Voyager - 7 of 9 and Borg galore
ST: Enterprise - Pretty meh ... less the 1 Borg episode in Alaska
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Be that as it may, the movie itself, what is canon for pete's sake has completely debunked the theory and the reply is "oh you simply can't trust the movie." Moving goalposts much?
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The Constitution was a later design that might have been able to achieve more with less, and so they went with the more efficient package in the original timeline. But in the Kelvin Timeline, they used that new technology of the Connie to put more stuff in it, because they realized that it was possible that they might have to deal with much larger and more powerful ships then they had anticipated.
How exactly? Engineering looks like a factory, which is more in line with NuTrek Enterprise's brewery, and while the NX was utilitarian, Engineering was pretty compact and clearly laid out compared to whatever that mess was. Likewise, the bridge has the window/viewscreen combo which is unique to the NuTrek timeline, and does not exist in either ENT or TOS-onwards. Likewise, it uses pulse weapons despite them becoming obsolete in ENT era..something like 80 earlier...and only coming back in Wrath of Khan(briefly) yet fit in pretty well with NuTrek Enterprise's armament. The Nacelle-mounted impulse engine and cavernous hanger stuffed with shuttles (essentially runabouts) are also design sensibilities that are more at home with Nutrek than alongside either ENT or TOS.
What exactly in Starfleet isn't bigger than? The Saladin? Daedalus? Both of those are even smaller. Heck, the cutting edge ship that eventually replaced it, the excelsior-is still smaller than it and undergunned by comparison. One of the explanations given as to why NuTrek has such large ships and are so heavily armed compared to prime-verse counterparts is that the destruction of the Kelvin convinced starfleet to heavily militarize-yet the Kelvin itself wouldn't look out of place in post-Kelvin, where the same cannot be said of it when placed alongside its supposed primeverse contemporaries.
you see that big red line on the kelvin's saucer? see it? that's the ship's impulse engines...they are NOT mounted on the warp nacelles - same goes with the enterprise
anyone who thinks the warp nacelles in KTTrek are also impulse engines clearly has no idea what an impulse engine looks like
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Do you see that big white ball of light directly underneath it? That the camera zooms onto as it flares up right as the Kelvin accelerates and rams into the Narada? Because it's pretty obvious that it's functioning as an impulse engine in that scene.
For whatever reason the folks who designed the ship in the reboot decided that the conventional impulse engines on Trek ships weren't obvious enough as a source of sub-light thrust, so decided to turn the warp nacelles to that purpose too....because every single warp pylon in the new trek has that identical aperture on the back. No ships in the Primeverse have been shown to have such a feature.
So yes, the JJverse warp pylons double as impulse engines as well, as strange as that may seem.
DS9 started moving really fast after a giant energy bubble wrapped around it - doesn't mean the shield generators were also impulse engines
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YES!
Wait ...
No? Maybe?
My headcanon needs to process this still.
There's a pretty clear chain of events there. daddy Kirk sets the course, camera zooms in on warp pylon aperture, which then dilates and begins vomiting lens flare all over the screen and the ship moves forward. If it wasn't remotely connected to the ships thrust, why on earth would the camera shift to it to show it spewing out light, instead of...y'know the impulse engine on the back of the saucer. They were pretty clearly trying to convey that the blue-white aperture on the back spewing out light was providing thrust.
You have to be working hard to somehow miss what that scene was showing.
Canon changes. Retcons happen. Doesn't mean a whole new universe; it just means that modern Trek was made by modern people for modern audiences. Nobody makes Hollywood blockbusters for audiences from 40 years ago; and it would make no sense to expect them to do so.
that the nacelle was 'spewing light' means absolutely nothing, because guess what? ALL starfleet ship nacelles spew light when the ship goes to warp, and in the case of the TMP era, they spew it in a trail-like exhaust pattern
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"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Hey now, hold up a sec. Let's remember where we are. We're in a thread that was created to suggest a movie called Star Trek isn't Star Trek enough to be called Star Trek.
Most of the hard work here isn't being done by folks arguing over lighting effects on a warp nacelle.
Yes your very correct. As the effects shot purposely used that to show the ship to move at a faster rate of speed. Thus making this nacelle having impulse power. This is not Prime Universe Tech.
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Now you are just being willfully ignorant to the information right in front of you.
"re-configuring its subspace field to allow for maximum acceleration from the impulse engines". Right. That's obviously what's happening, and any layman can just put one and one together and come to that elementary conclusion based on the dialogue of the scene and the wealth of on-screen evidence on how impulse engines and warp pylons interact every other time in Trek. Either that or you are just desperately grasping at straws at this point to scrabble together any ol' explanation that justifies your point of view.
I don't know where on earth you are getting that TOS movie era had exhaust trails, because ships in the TOS movies don't leave exhaust trails when they go to warp.
Kelvin is not going to warp in that scene, it's using sublight propulsion. it is spewing light out of the backside of its warp pylon to provide thrust at sublight speeds, so it means a heck of a lot in regards to how JJVerse ships work compared to Primeverse ships.
The discussion may have meandered a little bit, but I believe what started this little debate was the assertion that NuTrek is best defined as a Star Trek reboot or alternate universe rather than a branching timeline due to apparent preexisting differences in that universe and the Primeverse prior to their supposed divergence at the Kelvin incident. So it's at least a little bit relevant IMO.
i said NOTHING about TOS - i said TMP; get your goddamn facts straight
as for the rest of that targ manure floundering around in de-nile interspaced with forum ToS violations, i'm not even dignifying that with a response
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Your mad, cause I busted up JJ Spoof Trek. And you think what they say on screen is all correct. Even though the next movie will tell other wise.
How else you explain the "growing decks on the Enterprise E" ??
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Not that the distinction matters in the least, Because the TOS movie era includes ST I-VI.
Furthermore, the TMP warp trail effect cannot be defined as an exhaust trail any more than any of the other light trail warp effects in any of the other movies. Or shows for that matter. The stretching+streak of light that Trek ships exhibit when going to warp/coming out of warp is supposed to represent the optical effect of an outsider viewing the space-distorting effects of the warp bubble. TMP just took things in a somewhat more psychedelic direction. TMP could be a bit weird.
The Kelvin notably was not traveling at warp when it rammed the Narada, and did not exhibit any of the aforementioned characteristics.
But going by errr....the current state of your side of the debate. I don't think the matter of the Kelvin's Warp-impulse Nacelles is really worth pursuing. I feel their dual status as warp pylons and impulse engines is pretty well established at this point.
Regardless of what it's actually doing, I think it's pretty obvious the CGI artists and/or JJ Abrams had no idea what the difference was between the nacelles and the impulse engines, and intended for that to be an exhaust effect. I just chalk it up to an art error, just like the art errors that make the size of the JJ-prise ambiguous.
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Any licensed work that appears on film or as part of a TV series and takes place in the Prime, Kelvin, or Mirror universes. Or, for a shorter answer, all of it.
This is the part where I was talking about "just going back in time". Someone didn't do their homework, thus made it not going back in time. When you just go back in time only, you use stuff from the past that is already known canon. They done this before, but this time they didn't. So yes either they goofed up cause they didn't care about it, or they wanted a new Universe so they can be free in their story telling for this current series.
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The Franklin isn't part of the first 2 movies, until it comes out in theater. It can't be part of this. Unless they tell how hold she really is. So that part of the debate is nothing there.
You state claims, but you won't offer any evidence to back it up. So where is your proof. I showed mine going by the movies. So your refusing the back it up.
Another on the forum added something else. Reviewing that clip showed another big factor to back mine up. The Kelvin had the same type Engineering as the KT Enterprise. Where NX shows they had a better fitting engineering to match the ship. Not some vast factory where they brew. Even the TOS Connie's engineering didn't look like a brewery. Which of course that is where they filmed the shots, in a real brewery. Cause they was too cheap to create a more functional engineering like the rest of the movies and shows. This is also not part of Prime Universe, thus making it a different one.
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Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
The answer is Galaxy Quest.
Space Battleship Yamato!
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
And they made one. Starting with the Narada's attack on the Kelvin. That is onscreen canon.
Or are you expecting internal consistency in Trek? Because FC (my favorite Prime Universe movie) had that little spot of bother where Worf mentioned "Deck 26," then Picard went and said the Ent-E had 24 decks.
The Kelvin's weird warp flare thing is just an art/research error. Chill out people.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
Not when you consider TRIBBLE like Star Trek: Voyager or Star Trek V: The Final Frontier or Star trek: Nemesis it's not.
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STNG - Pretty cool, Ltc Data, Lore, Hugh, Borg and Q all rocked
DS9 - Freaking hated it, someone slap Sisko !!!
Voyager - 7 of 9 and Borg galore
ST: Enterprise - Pretty meh ... less the 1 Borg episode in Alaska
ST 2009 & Into Darkness - Loved them both, lens flares and all
Especially the lens flares.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.