I have actually quit watching shows cause of this, or the sequels of movies. This is why I don't watch the JJ Spoof Trek. It don't match up to what they trying to show.
You quit watching the shows?
So far they had not made a TV show or Movie for Star Trek since Enterprise and Nemesis. So until I can see the new Star Trek show coming out on TV or internet for free. I will see it. Cause I refuse to pay twice for it.
I was mostly talking about other shows or movies. I started watching 1 show. Season 2 came out, and they changed the entire cast, but kept the names. They wanted to do that to show more diversity, they actually said that! So talk about a head spin, the character changed up season to season! If your wondering it was The Bible Series that came out. Part 1 and Part 2.
Another was a mini comic series of like 12 books. They actually changed up the characters looks half way through. It went from really good details to what the ?? happened. So I didn't buy the rest of the series. Another head spin!
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Edit: It basically sounds as if he's saying that he's dumped various other franchises because of the same issues that plague JJTrek.
Not really seeing that. I mean the issues that plague the new Star Trek films seem to be really focused on the adherence of the films to some established continuity of the prior films and tv shows.
There are very very few properties out there which have the issue.
How many of them are buried under 50 cubic miles of "canon"?
Edit: It basically sounds as if he's saying that he's dumped various other franchises because of the same issues that plague JJTrek.
Not really seeing that. I mean the issues that plague the new Star Trek films seem to be really focused on the adherence of the films to some established continuity of the prior films and tv shows.
There are very very few properties out there which have the issue.
How many of them are buried under 50 cubic miles of "canon"?
Only Star Trek, Star Wars, and comic book properties.
Which brings us a full 360 degrees right back around to why Bad Robot did what they did. They freed up the films to not have to be tied down to canon. They did the same with Force Awakens. It helps promote creativity for writers and producers. It usually ticks off hardcore fans, but as we all know, those fans still go see the new movie anyways. Complaining the whole time, but forking over the dollars no matter what.
It's why the hatred of Abrams is so irrational on these forums. It's an alternate universe. It was done so that the films could do its own thing and free up the potential to create new things while not being buried under the weight of canon. It's why it doesn't matter if there's vapor trails from impulse engines or nacelles. It's why the size difference between one Constitution class vessel from 1968 and another Constitution class vessel from 2009 isn't an issue.
But you already know this.
Other people in this thread though, may have issues accepting that properties grown and evolve and large teams of creators do indeed leave their mark and stamp on things, whether it's Nicky Meyer taking the franchise into directions Roddenberry had problems with, or Roberto Orci deciding that the social climate was ripe for a moral tale about terrorism and big government military complex intervention as a relevant theme for a Star Trek story hung up on a retelling of Space Seed and mushed into the bits and pieces of a rushed retcon of how a different universe would play out the end of TWOK.
Still, Star Trek is Star Trek. And those movies are about as Star Trek as it gets in 2016.
Edit: It basically sounds as if he's saying that he's dumped various other franchises because of the same issues that plague JJTrek.
Not really seeing that. I mean the issues that plague the new Star Trek films seem to be really focused on the adherence of the films to some established continuity of the prior films and tv shows.
There are very very few properties out there which have the issue.
How many of them are buried under 50 cubic miles of "canon"?
Only Star Trek, Star Wars, and comic book properties.
Which brings us a full 360 degrees right back around to why Bad Robot did what they did. They freed up the films to not have to be tied down to canon. They did the same with Force Awakens. It helps promote creativity for writers and producers. It usually ticks off hardcore fans, but as we all know, those fans still go see the new movie anyways. Complaining the whole time, but forking over the dollars no matter what.
It's why the hatred of Abrams is so irrational on these forums. It's an alternate universe. It was done so that the films could do its own thing and free up the potential to create new things while not being buried under the weight of canon. It's why it doesn't matter if there's vapor trails from impulse engines or nacelles. It's why the size difference between one Constitution class vessel from 1968 and another Constitution class vessel from 2009 isn't an issue.
But you already know this.
Other people in this thread though, may have issues accepting that properties grown and evolve and large teams of creators do indeed leave their mark and stamp on things, whether it's Nicky Meyer taking the franchise into directions Roddenberry had problems with, or Roberto Orci deciding that the social climate was ripe for a moral tale about terrorism and big government military complex intervention as a relevant theme for a Star Trek story hung up on a retelling of Space Seed and mushed into the bits and pieces of a rushed retcon of how a different universe would play out the end of TWOK.
Still, Star Trek is Star Trek. And those movies are about as Star Trek as it gets in 2016.
Hell most people couldn't even handle how militaristic Star Fleet got during DS9. Or the fact something like Section 31 could be even contemplated.
I also love how people have irrational hatred for Janeway, when Sisko did things WAY worse and he's APPLAUDED for it. Star Trek fans are some of the most hyper critical people I've ever seen.
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I didn't mind DS9 during the Dominion War, actually that is what got me to watch it again! Since before that, the series was kinda meh.
I didn't mind what Janeway did, I like the entire Voyager series. Until they kinda downgraded the Borg. That kinda made a mess out of it. It took away the fear and oh TRIBBLE!
The new Star Wars I like it until they did the stupid planet super weapon thing. That could have been deleted from the movie and still would been good. With that in there, it really made a stupid part in it.
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Meh, I was dragged to the first two of the Jar Jar Trek films, made sure those responsible were as miserable as I was by pointing out all the problems and errors and mistakes that got under my skin (not the least of which being the revamped characters ages. People aren't born years earlier just because someone went back in time).
My official stance on the new films is that I'm glad they brought in money and new fans to keep the franchise alive. I just have find the movies to be horrible and don't care to have anything to do with them in game. I fully plan on skipping those missions that have anything to do with it.
Only thing I am having trouble with is the Vengeance, my main toon is Fed, and I would love to find a way to harvest that Mastery Trait for my T6 Bug Ship without having to soil my toons in doing so. Would be nice if Feds could get it without having to get the ship like KDF and Rom's do....WOW, never thought the day would come that I would be jealous of the KDF or Rom's as a Fed LOL
"Why all the sales"?
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I have actually quit watching shows cause of this, or the sequels of movies. This is why I don't watch the JJ Spoof Trek. It don't match up to what they trying to show.
You quit watching the shows?
So far they had not made a TV show or Movie for Star Trek since Enterprise and Nemesis. So until I can see the new Star Trek show coming out on TV or internet for free. I will see it. Cause I refuse to pay twice for it.
I was mostly talking about other shows or movies. I started watching 1 show. Season 2 came out, and they changed the entire cast, but kept the names. They wanted to do that to show more diversity, they actually said that! So talk about a head spin, the character changed up season to season! If your wondering it was The Bible Series that came out. Part 1 and Part 2.
Another was a mini comic series of like 12 books. They actually changed up the characters looks half way through. It went from really good details to what the ?? happened. So I didn't buy the rest of the series. Another head spin!
Uh, actually there is another series since Enterprise, its just not free to watch.
"Why all the sales"?
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
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I didn't mind DS9 during the Dominion War, actually that is what got me to watch it again! Since before that, the series was kinda meh.
I didn't mind what Janeway did, I like the entire Voyager series. Until they kinda downgraded the Borg. That kinda made a mess out of it. It took away the fear and oh ****!
I honestly thought it made the Borg scarier in many ways. Previously they had been difficult to fight, but their behavior was so mindless that they weren't really menacing.
Some people often fail to see that the Kelvin Timeline is directed towards the new generation of Trekkies, just because you or other people grew up with TOS, TNG, DS9 ENT and not Kelvin Timeline, doesn't mean that it is not trek.
Simoly put: it may not be your trek, but it's my Trek.
but that's just it, it's NOT your trek, it's MY trek.
the first movie at least, was nothing more than a collection of ToS, TNG, and Enterprise quotes,wrapped around a decent Sci-Fi story base and flashy new visuals.
it doesn't fit the banner of Trek at all. it's just a shameless blockbuster lineup. I'd be fine with all of this if it were original, with homages to the old Trek, but put into TV form. not cheap in and out blockbuster movies.
Those old shows are just that. If you want to watch re-runs for the rest of your life up to you.
Time passes by and new things come up. I welcome change and love anything that is named "Trek" including what you called the new JJ movies. He doesn't own the "Trek" naming ...he just happens to be associated with it these days...50 years from now if the Trek culture still alive Im very sure there will be new producers, writers and artists. It is a natural life cycle far beyond that a mere spec in time like it is now with JJ.
I do hope this saga continues for many more decades to come and with more dedicated people than will bring these shows to a much better level than was intended originally.
Personal preference does not matter, the word of the franchise owner does, you go buy the franchise you can say it's whatever you want, until then the final word has already been given.
And what they say and show contradicts itself, leaving the fans to try and reconcile them. Hence the debate. We have several pages of that by now if you feel like meaningfully contributing to it. But I'm not holding my breath based off that flippant reply.
Oh please - EVERY incarnation of Star Trek has contradicted itself MANY TIMES. If anything, that the JJ Verse has contradictions within itself shows it to be "Star Trek" in that aspect too.
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To the Subject question - because they are. What answer would you like - 42?
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How many people would have made this same, silly argument when TNG first premiered?
DS9 comes along, but can something be Star Trek if the premise is that you are on an immobile space station?
Voyager? Ratings are bad, let's sex it up with a borg in a catsuit. Because everything we saw of Borgs up to then looked like 7 of 9, right?
So are the new Trek movies "real" Star Trek? Absolutely.
And if you think that only TNG or whatever is "real" then feel free to watch those reruns and leave the rest of us alone.
Me? I prefer TOS (and the movies through VI) and the new films, but I am not going to tell someone that is a TNG fan that they are wrong.
Anyone trying to tell any fan of any official Trek, though, be it TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, the new films, novels, whatever, that their Trek isn't "real" or "right", though?
They are wrong.
That guy cosplaying as a K-Verse Klingon? That one as a TOS Klingon? They are every bit as much a Trek fan as that guy that is dressed like a movie/TNG Klingon.
And it doesn't matter if you can quote lines from every episode of whatever series/movie and list a hundred guest stars and their roles and that guy in the K-Verse Captain shirt doesn't even know who plays the K-Verse Kirk.
They are still fans, it's still Trek, and I would think that a group that not so long ago would have been complaining about being marginalized; That a group that claims to be a fan of a show that is supposed to have a positive message about a future where people have moved beyond so many of today's societal ills, would try to be more accepting of people with whom they have a built-in common core interest.
How many people would have made this same, silly argument when TNG first premiered?
DS9 comes along, but can something be Star Trek if the premise is that you are on an immobile space station?
Voyager? Ratings are bad, let's sex it up with a borg in a catsuit. Because everything we saw of Borgs up to then looked like 7 of 9, right?
So are the new Trek movies "real" Star Trek? Absolutely.
And if you think that only TNG or whatever is "real" then feel free to watch those reruns and leave the rest of us alone.
Me? I prefer TOS (and the movies through VI) and the new films, but I am not going to tell someone that is a TNG fan that they are wrong.
Anyone trying to tell any fan of any official Trek, though, be it TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, the new films, novels, whatever, that their Trek isn't "real" or "right", though?
They are wrong.
That guy cosplaying as a K-Verse Klingon? That one as a TOS Klingon? They are every bit as much a Trek fan as that guy that is dressed like a movie/TNG Klingon.
And it doesn't matter if you can quote lines from every episode of whatever series/movie and list a hundred guest stars and their roles and that guy in the K-Verse Captain shirt doesn't even know who plays the K-Verse Kirk.
They are still fans, it's still Trek, and I would think that a group that not so long ago would have been complaining about being marginalized; That a group that claims to be a fan of a show that is supposed to have a positive message about a future where people have moved beyond so many of today's societal ills, would try to be more accepting of people with whom they have a built-in common core interest.
to be fair, the majority of the rage for TNG came from the rumor (actually was pretty close to being one) of TNG being a reboot much akin to the 09 reboot. once it was quelled, only a tiny handful of dissenters remained, they were the ones shouting "no Kirk, no Trek".
For the Thread Subject question that is difficult to answer. Well no it isn't the d*mned movie names have the words STAR TREK in them. They are authorized and sanctioned by the FRANCHISE OWNER.
Look, things have changed from what they once were, in some cases not for the better. We all wax nostalgic, but things are what they are NOW. I frequently complain about the costs of ordinary items, saying 'well that used to be only a dollar'. It's not anymore.
I just had my retirement party thrown for me by the people at work. I got two things (other than a bit of cash). The 'goof' gift was a USS Enterprise Pizza Cutter. The main gift was a fully functional Bluetooth TOS Communicator. It can connect to your mobile phone and answer and you can talk and can voice dial make outgoing calls. You can also play music from your phone on it. But however neat it is, its functions pale in comparison to our modern day day-to-day devices. And here it is 50 years after the show premiered and technology has run rampant past the wonders foretold in yesteryear.
If Star Trek taught us one thing it was to strive and adapt to the future. We should as well, especially with our entertainment. Life and our mores just ain't what they used to be.
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For the Thread Subject question that is difficult to answer. Well no it isn't the d*mned movie names have the words STAR TREK in them. They are authorized and sanctioned by the FRANCHISE OWNER.
Look, things have changed from what they once were, in some cases not for the better. We all wax nostalgic, but things are what they are NOW. I frequently complain about the costs of ordinary items, saying 'well that used to be only a dollar'. It's not anymore.
I just had my retirement party thrown for me by the people at work. I got two things (other than a bit of cash). The 'goof' gift was a USS Enterprise Pizza Cutter. The main gift was a fully functional Bluetooth TOS Communicator. It can connect to your mobile phone and answer and you can talk and can voice dial make outgoing calls. You can also play music from your phone on it. But however neat it is, its functions pale in comparison to our modern day day-to-day devices. And here it is 50 years after the show premiered and technology has run rampant past the wonders foretold in yesteryear.
If Star Trek taught us one thing it was to strive and adapt to the future. We should as well, especially with our entertainment. Life and our mores just ain't what they used to be.
That communicator sounds awesome, wonder if they'll ever make a combadge version
The main gift was a fully functional Bluetooth TOS Communicator. It can connect to your mobile phone and answer and you can talk and can voice dial make outgoing calls. You can also play music from your phone on it. But however neat it is, its functions pale in comparison to our modern day day-to-day devices. And here it is 50 years after the show premiered and technology has run rampant past the wonders foretold in yesteryear.
Well, to be fair, communicators are also able to communicate from the surface of a planet to a ship, without need of satellites or relays (unless the ship has one). So we're not completely there.
But I get what you mean, many things in Star Trek are clearly outdated now, even the data rods and the PADDs are so last-decade, compared to smartphones and tablets.
I still want a laws-of-physics-violating matter replicator and a real holodeck (to play Pokémon HoloGo!), not those bulky VR helmets. :P
to be fair, the majority of the rage for TNG came from the rumor (actually was pretty close to being one) of TNG being a reboot much akin to the 09 reboot. once it was quelled, only a tiny handful of dissenters remained, they were the ones shouting "no Kirk, no Trek".
As someone who was in Trek fandom in 1987 (and way before too); what you state was hardly the case. Yes, there was a rumor that it (TNG) was a complete reboot - and that was in fact false. That said, MANY TOS fans (myself included) didn't care for the wholesale retconning of the TOS era that GR did through early TNG. Most fans of TOS stopped watching by the 5th episode, and most didn't really bother to look back at it until the time "Yesterday's Enterprise" aired.
That doesn't mean TNG wasn't popular; but it got popular by bringing NEW fans into the fold that had never really watched TOS or the TOS feature films -- are you entrenched TNG fans now getting the picture of what Paramount is doing with the JJ Abrams films - and what CBS will most likely be doing with the new series? Get used to it. As an old TOS fan, I've never really warmed to the TNG era. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed TNG for what it was; but it really ha never been the era of Star Trek I was really interested in.
So, I suppose many hard core TNG era fans now feel displaced because they're gone back to the TOS era in a different way; but never retconned it to the point where it's TNG in the 23rd century. They've kept a majority of elements FROM the original Star Trek series; and that's why I find it overall works for me, and I've found it more enjoyable then the majority of the TNG era Star Trek. But again that's me.
If you still like Star Trek enough overall to 'stick with it' as it adapts itself to the changing times, get used to stuff like this because the Star Trek you grew up with and loved will never come back in the form that it was. Every decade new producers will adapt it to 'change with the times' and put their spin of characters and aspects you knew and loved in another form.
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To be perfectly honest, I couldn't care about the first two... but after hearing the OP's take on Beyond, I'm (cautiously, as always) optimistic about it and the upcoming fourth movie.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
As someone who was in Trek fandom in 1987 (and way before too); what you state was hardly the case. Yes, there was a rumor that it (TNG) was a complete reboot - and that was in fact false. That said, MANY TOS fans (myself included) didn't care for the wholesale retconning of the TOS era that GR did through early TNG. Most fans of TOS stopped watching by the 5th episode, and most didn't really bother to look back at it until the time "Yesterday's Enterprise" aired.
I wouldn't say "retconning", as I don't remember lots of direct "no, I don't care what we 'saw', Kirk & Co. / The Federation / The whatever/whoever do before, it never happened that way and this is how it happened." Hyper evolution, sure.
I did see a lot of plagiarizing, to the point where they ripped a whole episode (Naked Now) from a TOS episode (Naked Time), even to the point where the climax was from TOS (historical records show that when Kirk's crew ran into this, Dr. McCoy created this 'antidote', and I'm synthesizing it now...), and/or trying too hard to push certain character aspects into certain stars (Riker the ladies man, Data the clueless about humanity one)
That doesn't mean TNG wasn't popular; but it got popular by bringing NEW fans into the fold that had never really watched TOS or the TOS feature films -- are you entrenched TNG fans now getting the picture of what Paramount is doing with the JJ Abrams films - and what CBS will most likely be doing with the new series? Get used to it. As an old TOS fan, I've never really warmed to the TNG era. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed TNG for what it was; but it really ha never been the era of Star Trek I was really interested in.
So, I suppose many hard core TNG era fans now feel displaced because they're gone back to the TOS era in a different way; but never retconned it to the point where it's TNG in the 23rd century. They've kept a majority of elements FROM the original Star Trek series; and that's why I find it overall works for me, and I've found it more enjoyable then the majority of the TNG era Star Trek. But again that's me.
If you still like Star Trek enough overall to 'stick with it' as it adapts itself to the changing times, get used to stuff like this because the Star Trek you grew up with and loved will never come back in the form that it was. Every decade new producers will adapt it to 'change with the times' and put their spin of characters and aspects you knew and loved in another form.
It did both. While, to this day, the Galaxy leads the pack of "boy, these ships are way too squished" models (like Excelsior) in my opinion, oddly enough designs like the Nebula, Intrepid, Soverign, Ambassador pass my "cool" test.
And especially mid-second season, when the crew got their "legs" under them, their "roles" were evolutions of who they were instead of trying to pluck one aspect of the Original Cast and epitomize it, and they started doing "contemporary" plots instead of "rehashes", it might have attracted more "Original Series Trekkie Love" than you'd think...
JJ, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have all the aspects of Trek yet, as they're "shoehorning" in too many things, adjusting too many things, etc. and it's not "organically meshing", nor have they really pushed the points of certain things - as soon as someone mentioned "drone warfare" and Into Darkness, I saw it, but it wasn't apparent while watching the show - which the better episodes of Trek did well - hit you with "this is what we're covering" without blatantly saying so while keeping it "futuristic"...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
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So far they had not made a TV show or Movie for Star Trek since Enterprise and Nemesis. So until I can see the new Star Trek show coming out on TV or internet for free. I will see it. Cause I refuse to pay twice for it.
I was mostly talking about other shows or movies. I started watching 1 show. Season 2 came out, and they changed the entire cast, but kept the names. They wanted to do that to show more diversity, they actually said that! So talk about a head spin, the character changed up season to season! If your wondering it was The Bible Series that came out. Part 1 and Part 2.
Another was a mini comic series of like 12 books. They actually changed up the characters looks half way through. It went from really good details to what the ?? happened. So I didn't buy the rest of the series. Another head spin!
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Scorpion King, was "The Rock" then went to another actor to play him.
The Punisher. They changed the character and the story between the 2 movies!
This is why I don't watch the sequels and shows when they do this.
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Only Star Trek, Star Wars, and comic book properties.
Which brings us a full 360 degrees right back around to why Bad Robot did what they did. They freed up the films to not have to be tied down to canon. They did the same with Force Awakens. It helps promote creativity for writers and producers. It usually ticks off hardcore fans, but as we all know, those fans still go see the new movie anyways. Complaining the whole time, but forking over the dollars no matter what.
It's why the hatred of Abrams is so irrational on these forums. It's an alternate universe. It was done so that the films could do its own thing and free up the potential to create new things while not being buried under the weight of canon. It's why it doesn't matter if there's vapor trails from impulse engines or nacelles. It's why the size difference between one Constitution class vessel from 1968 and another Constitution class vessel from 2009 isn't an issue.
But you already know this.
Other people in this thread though, may have issues accepting that properties grown and evolve and large teams of creators do indeed leave their mark and stamp on things, whether it's Nicky Meyer taking the franchise into directions Roddenberry had problems with, or Roberto Orci deciding that the social climate was ripe for a moral tale about terrorism and big government military complex intervention as a relevant theme for a Star Trek story hung up on a retelling of Space Seed and mushed into the bits and pieces of a rushed retcon of how a different universe would play out the end of TWOK.
Still, Star Trek is Star Trek. And those movies are about as Star Trek as it gets in 2016.
Hell most people couldn't even handle how militaristic Star Fleet got during DS9. Or the fact something like Section 31 could be even contemplated.
I also love how people have irrational hatred for Janeway, when Sisko did things WAY worse and he's APPLAUDED for it. Star Trek fans are some of the most hyper critical people I've ever seen.
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I didn't mind what Janeway did, I like the entire Voyager series. Until they kinda downgraded the Borg. That kinda made a mess out of it. It took away the fear and oh TRIBBLE!
The new Star Wars I like it until they did the stupid planet super weapon thing. That could have been deleted from the movie and still would been good. With that in there, it really made a stupid part in it.
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My official stance on the new films is that I'm glad they brought in money and new fans to keep the franchise alive. I just have find the movies to be horrible and don't care to have anything to do with them in game. I fully plan on skipping those missions that have anything to do with it.
Only thing I am having trouble with is the Vengeance, my main toon is Fed, and I would love to find a way to harvest that Mastery Trait for my T6 Bug Ship without having to soil my toons in doing so. Would be nice if Feds could get it without having to get the ship like KDF and Rom's do....WOW, never thought the day would come that I would be jealous of the KDF or Rom's as a Fed LOL
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
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Uh, actually there is another series since Enterprise, its just not free to watch.
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
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Those old shows are just that. If you want to watch re-runs for the rest of your life up to you.
Time passes by and new things come up. I welcome change and love anything that is named "Trek" including what you called the new JJ movies. He doesn't own the "Trek" naming ...he just happens to be associated with it these days...50 years from now if the Trek culture still alive Im very sure there will be new producers, writers and artists. It is a natural life cycle far beyond that a mere spec in time like it is now with JJ.
I do hope this saga continues for many more decades to come and with more dedicated people than will bring these shows to a much better level than was intended originally.
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Oh please - EVERY incarnation of Star Trek has contradicted itself MANY TIMES. If anything, that the JJ Verse has contradictions within itself shows it to be "Star Trek" in that aspect too.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
DS9 comes along, but can something be Star Trek if the premise is that you are on an immobile space station?
Voyager? Ratings are bad, let's sex it up with a borg in a catsuit. Because everything we saw of Borgs up to then looked like 7 of 9, right?
So are the new Trek movies "real" Star Trek? Absolutely.
And if you think that only TNG or whatever is "real" then feel free to watch those reruns and leave the rest of us alone.
Me? I prefer TOS (and the movies through VI) and the new films, but I am not going to tell someone that is a TNG fan that they are wrong.
Anyone trying to tell any fan of any official Trek, though, be it TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, the new films, novels, whatever, that their Trek isn't "real" or "right", though?
They are wrong.
That guy cosplaying as a K-Verse Klingon? That one as a TOS Klingon? They are every bit as much a Trek fan as that guy that is dressed like a movie/TNG Klingon.
And it doesn't matter if you can quote lines from every episode of whatever series/movie and list a hundred guest stars and their roles and that guy in the K-Verse Captain shirt doesn't even know who plays the K-Verse Kirk.
They are still fans, it's still Trek, and I would think that a group that not so long ago would have been complaining about being marginalized; That a group that claims to be a fan of a show that is supposed to have a positive message about a future where people have moved beyond so many of today's societal ills, would try to be more accepting of people with whom they have a built-in common core interest.
to be fair, the majority of the rage for TNG came from the rumor (actually was pretty close to being one) of TNG being a reboot much akin to the 09 reboot. once it was quelled, only a tiny handful of dissenters remained, they were the ones shouting "no Kirk, no Trek".
Look, things have changed from what they once were, in some cases not for the better. We all wax nostalgic, but things are what they are NOW. I frequently complain about the costs of ordinary items, saying 'well that used to be only a dollar'. It's not anymore.
I just had my retirement party thrown for me by the people at work. I got two things (other than a bit of cash). The 'goof' gift was a USS Enterprise Pizza Cutter. The main gift was a fully functional Bluetooth TOS Communicator. It can connect to your mobile phone and answer and you can talk and can voice dial make outgoing calls. You can also play music from your phone on it. But however neat it is, its functions pale in comparison to our modern day day-to-day devices. And here it is 50 years after the show premiered and technology has run rampant past the wonders foretold in yesteryear.
If Star Trek taught us one thing it was to strive and adapt to the future. We should as well, especially with our entertainment. Life and our mores just ain't what they used to be.
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That communicator sounds awesome, wonder if they'll ever make a combadge version
But I get what you mean, many things in Star Trek are clearly outdated now, even the data rods and the PADDs are so last-decade, compared to smartphones and tablets.
I still want a laws-of-physics-violating matter replicator and a real holodeck (to play Pokémon HoloGo!), not those bulky VR helmets. :P
As someone who was in Trek fandom in 1987 (and way before too); what you state was hardly the case. Yes, there was a rumor that it (TNG) was a complete reboot - and that was in fact false. That said, MANY TOS fans (myself included) didn't care for the wholesale retconning of the TOS era that GR did through early TNG. Most fans of TOS stopped watching by the 5th episode, and most didn't really bother to look back at it until the time "Yesterday's Enterprise" aired.
That doesn't mean TNG wasn't popular; but it got popular by bringing NEW fans into the fold that had never really watched TOS or the TOS feature films -- are you entrenched TNG fans now getting the picture of what Paramount is doing with the JJ Abrams films - and what CBS will most likely be doing with the new series? Get used to it. As an old TOS fan, I've never really warmed to the TNG era. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed TNG for what it was; but it really ha never been the era of Star Trek I was really interested in.
So, I suppose many hard core TNG era fans now feel displaced because they're gone back to the TOS era in a different way; but never retconned it to the point where it's TNG in the 23rd century. They've kept a majority of elements FROM the original Star Trek series; and that's why I find it overall works for me, and I've found it more enjoyable then the majority of the TNG era Star Trek. But again that's me.
If you still like Star Trek enough overall to 'stick with it' as it adapts itself to the changing times, get used to stuff like this because the Star Trek you grew up with and loved will never come back in the form that it was. Every decade new producers will adapt it to 'change with the times' and put their spin of characters and aspects you knew and loved in another form.
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Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I wouldn't say "retconning", as I don't remember lots of direct "no, I don't care what we 'saw', Kirk & Co. / The Federation / The whatever/whoever do before, it never happened that way and this is how it happened." Hyper evolution, sure.
I did see a lot of plagiarizing, to the point where they ripped a whole episode (Naked Now) from a TOS episode (Naked Time), even to the point where the climax was from TOS (historical records show that when Kirk's crew ran into this, Dr. McCoy created this 'antidote', and I'm synthesizing it now...), and/or trying too hard to push certain character aspects into certain stars (Riker the ladies man, Data the clueless about humanity one)
It did both. While, to this day, the Galaxy leads the pack of "boy, these ships are way too squished" models (like Excelsior) in my opinion, oddly enough designs like the Nebula, Intrepid, Soverign, Ambassador pass my "cool" test.
And especially mid-second season, when the crew got their "legs" under them, their "roles" were evolutions of who they were instead of trying to pluck one aspect of the Original Cast and epitomize it, and they started doing "contemporary" plots instead of "rehashes", it might have attracted more "Original Series Trekkie Love" than you'd think...
JJ, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have all the aspects of Trek yet, as they're "shoehorning" in too many things, adjusting too many things, etc. and it's not "organically meshing", nor have they really pushed the points of certain things - as soon as someone mentioned "drone warfare" and Into Darkness, I saw it, but it wasn't apparent while watching the show - which the better episodes of Trek did well - hit you with "this is what we're covering" without blatantly saying so while keeping it "futuristic"...
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