Anniversary Pack Discussion

I don't like the packs.......just my vote

things perfect world would do pretty soon in my opinion :

- Make the packs compulsory on demand "permanent" addition since more packs -> more money for the company and that way every QQer can shuddup and dont forget, that keeps the gold prices sky high b:victory

- Introduce tt99 green and gold mats in cash shop coz of "popular request" or through other similar events, Christmas packs anyone ? b:chuckle

- Introduce events that give players Warsouls ?!? Summer Packs xD Like I remember someone have a mocking pic of this somewhere on the forum lol b:surrender

Somehow I wouldn't be surprised if they did all or any of the above in a few months from now, following the new expansion b:shocked

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

I mean things like cash shop imbalance and poor economy are the major downside to F2P mmo's. What set pwi aside from any other mmo a few months ago was, besides beautiful graphics and amazing gameplay, it had a balanced and stable economy that was accessible to all kinds of players and nearly everyone was happy.

Yeah, I agree. It amazed me that PWI had $1=100k coins. That meant you could play the game and be able to earn in-game more than what an average P2P would charge per month.

I look at all the various internet marketing models that are out there and the ones that ultimately succeed are the ones that somehow manage to quietly generate steady income without constantly shoving adds, promotions, "premium content", etc... down your throat. PWI looked to me like it had figured it out. But like you say, it's just like all the others now.

To be fair, though, perhaps PWI was losing money and only now is generating a profit. If so, then it wouldn't be fair to blame PWI for not being able to sustain and unsustainable business model.

Sancrkf - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's not Anniversary Pack's fault that everything is so expensive now... People could sell pack's items for cheap, but nooo, they rather sell Gems for 25mil, Scroll of Tome for 160mil, Heavenrage Boots for 50mil...

Thank you Captain Obvious! You are correct. If I have a Gem, and Player A says, "I'll pay 5mil" and Player B says, "I'll pay 25mil", I would indeed rather sell it to Player B.

So I guess that means it's the fault of basic common sense that everything is so expensive now.

Myerling - Sanctuary wrote: »

is it because people are charging 20m for grade 11 gems? is it really? why am i explaining something so simple?

People are greedy and self-absorbed. As far as many are concerned, every price is too high, no matter how low it is.

When I bought my Scroll of Tome, I ended being the highest bidder at 65mill. I was able to get it that cheap because everybody else apparently felt 65mill was a rip-off high price.

But all I did was look and see that a Tome that would have cost over 1Billion coins (and that was assuming Gold = 110k!) if PWI had ever decided to enable being able to make them, was having trouble attracting bids of 50mill.

So yeah, I have little sympathy for people who complain about how high prices are on items that have multi-billion coin price tags under normal conditions. The Anniversary Packs have unbalanced the economy by making insanely powerful items dirt-cheap. Anybody who thinks the problem is that they haven't made them even cheaper is just being self-centered.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

These is the same argument that most coin sellers make... gold is too high, I am not getting as much gold for my coins as I used to, it should be at 100k, so I cam maximize my profits.

Those darn gold sellers are a greedy bunch that want more coins for their gold..... We poor coin sellers just want more gold for our coins... we poor things, life is unfair....

spreading filth i see.. now your just instigating.

Coin sellers and Gold sellers are both victims of causality.
It is the people running this game that need to be the main focus of any argument.
If it wasnt for these packs.. there wouldnt be an effect on the players.
If there wasnt a coin chest+hammer.. there wouldnt be an effect on the players.
Fighting between coins sellers and gold sellers is just plain ****.
Between these two groups of people, everything worked out great before we had the people at PW step in and change things.
Focus your dam arguments where it counts. IF you want GREED look no further than the people giving you these horrible events.
Fight the power god dammit! Your acting like a bunch of slaves fighting each other, instead of grouping together to fight the slave master. I'm gonna get banned for this i bet.

Anni packs are awesome.. Sitting on top of 700; yeah, spent 700 USD however once the anni pack event ends I'm selling them all for 800k+

560m

then I'm going to buy gold for 300k ish once it calms back down

i'll have doubled the amount of gold

WIN

and before you rage and QQ; I'm paying for your free game

well i just joined the game a month ago, and apparently this is the reason i cant afford anything "cool"

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you only joined a month ago, you would not had been able to afford anything anyways, even before this event, specialy if you looking at not using any real money.

Usualy it takes people a few months before they were able to save enough to get the "optional stuff", if only using coins when they first get started.

Also, it takes that long to learn the market, where the real ability to make coin is.

If you use the cash shop, than you can make coin much sooner, even though it will take a few months to learn the market to maximize your coin making. It will also enable you to buy all the "optional stuff" from the cash shop with gold directly, instead of having to save coins to buy the stuff from other players.

Please never develop a game, ever. Especially if this is your idea of fun and enjoyable.
When I first joined pw, I could afford alot of nice stuff within a month. A panther, mebbe a few nice cs items, good equips, my first charm. That's what set pw aside from any other mmo and made me move here permanently from my old mmo.
Now pwi is just like any other average p2w mmo and because it's "usual" it's all good and everything's great?

it all depends on how much you played everyday, 1 month or 2 months doesn't say much. my veno made 1m by 4x just grinding (completely independent of my archer), so i could afford a panther then, and whether that took me 1 month or 2 months would depend on how much i played on my veno right? so going by his point, i could buy a mount by say 4x or maybe earlier, if only one of the cheaper mounts. i dont know how much those things go for now with the current gold prices...

myforumaccountwoot wrote: »

Anni packs are awesome.. Sitting on top of 700; yeah, spent 700 USD however once the anni pack event ends I'm selling them all for 800k+

560m

then I'm going to buy gold for 300k ish once it calms back down

i'll have doubled the amount of gold

WIN

and before you rage and QQ; I'm paying for your free game

I have only one thing to say to this...

Fuzzballs - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I personally don't really have a problem with the fact end game items and boutique stuff can be acquired by spending $1 on an anniversary pack. The anni pack is a random drop generator which might give you something ok-ish (15 luck tokens) or something great (Lunar necklace of dirtnap prevention etc). The ok-ish one seems to happen much more often then the great one as the randomizer favours the low end. Knowing this I spend about 106 gold by charging zen (thats 106 packs) plus 40 mil grinded coin (which was about oh 80 more packs?). when I started opening them I quickly lost interest after 5 mins of right clicking on this pink envelope until Duke shouted something including my name and some stone of the savant. Some further right clicking action ensued and in the end i ended up with some platinum charms and tokens of best luck, and uhm a lot of regular luck tokens. I sold all the good stuff for about 45 mil in total (not really profitable) most of that I spent on skills and TT mats from the auction house. I had about 12 mil left so I got some more packs that only yielded the regular luck tokens.
Then I did the right thing and exchanged all those tokens in for teleacoustics. I ended up with 2570 of them. I think I spammed away about 600 of them, gave about 100 away and sold 300 of them because iw as broke lol.

I do think the ingame economy is quite an accurate reflection of the current day real life economy where some players are struggling to survive (even venos) and some kind of intervention might be necessary to stem the inflation rate.... 1+mil coin for 1 gold charm is rediculous.

Perhaps introducing a more steady exchange rate might be more useful:

Example:

Month 1:
- let's say 1 gold = 100,000 coins so the rate is 1:100,000
- gold traders are allowed to go under or over this up to 10%, so in the worst case gold traders have to sell their gold for 90k each if they want to beat the competition

Month 2:
- in order to set this month's exchange rate we are going to look at the following:
- the average lowest amount sold in month 1 (this is the average of all the gold sold below the exhange rate of 100k in the example above)
- last month's exchange rate
- the highest average amount sold in month 1 (this is the average of all the gold sold above the exchange rate of 100k in the example above)

So let's say in this example the lowest average is $ 97k and the highest average is $ 108k which will make the next amount the new exchange rate:

- 97 k + 100 k + 108 K / 3 = about 102k

We then use this 102k to set this months upper and lower limits. rinse and repeat.

The above is a complete hypothetical example and I don't think it (or any other idea) will be implemented due to the game's system limitations. Most of the gold problems will go away once this event is over. But there's always halloween, thanksgiving, christmas and new years so who knows.

Not a bad idea at all but I agree that'd it'd be hard to implement. Maybe more of a weekly average, so as to give the players some warning that hey its goin up instead of loggin on one day w/ gold at 250-300k then next its 600k and yet still give the people selling gold a decent timeframe so gold will stay on the auction house. Sounds like a decent system; maybe if that could not be introduced possibly an npc that would convert coins to silver based on the auction house average. I'm not sayin it would work but it might be somethin to help bring the economy back.

I am not flaming, but trying to explain how I feel this sale devalued both my money and time investments in this game, and how frustrating it is to play a game where nothing has value. It may still be a game, but many people play this type of mmorpg to get a sense of accomplishment.

For starters, this game has taught me there is no point to work hard to acquire items. First, certain mounts were limited and were not going to be released in cash shop...so I busted my behind to save up the small fortune it took to get a 9tails and a goldmane, and worked hard on referrals to get a black raptor. My mounts had value, and if I needed money, I could have sold them, but they were also something that reflected my hard work, and I enjoyed that they were rare items I had EARNED. Then rare mounts were released in cash shop, and 2 of my 3 mounts now have only a fraction of their previous value.

And anni packs came out. I spent a small fortune in real world cash and a ton of in-game cash to get my end-game gear and my skill books. I would have to say, as luck goes, I had terrible luck. I opened 3x as many packs as many other people I knew to get way fewer items than they did. But, no big, I managed to trade and buy most of what I wanted, and it was gear I knew would keep me for a long, long time, and that was excellent for my build. It also kept me competitive with other people of the same level that were doing the same thing. I cringed at the economy, and knowing gold never TRULY goes back down in a mmorpg, I was just hoping that it would drop enough so that I might be able to get the dragon orbs I need now in-game... At the end of the first event, I still desperately needed a Scroll of Tome, so I busted out everything I had, nearly 170m, to get the LAST piece of equip to finish off my set.

And what happens? Not even 2 weeks later, packs are back, and I know someone that opened 100 packs and got over 40m in best luck tokens, plus a few items, and who then made a deal to get his lunar boots, lunar ring, lunar cape, lunar weapon AND Scroll of tome for the same 170m I spent on just the scroll because I couldn't find one during the event, and they were *theoretically* no longer available. So again, the things I worked hard for were devalued, and now there are twice as many in the game, so having them really isn't anything special.

AND on top of it? Gold is so high that it is impossible to earn the money in-game for dragon orbs. Even as a veno, if I solo TT, the best mats I can get are 2 mil, and don't drop often. If that bought me 10 gold, it's well worth my time, and it would take a while, but I COULD get my orbs. When it doesn't even buy me 4 gold?? Why bother? My time has to be worth something, or it's no fun to play.

What is the end result? I have not rage quit, but I haven't logged in since the last update. There is no point in my trying to earn in-game items. I cannot grind enough gold to get ANYTHING at these gold prices. The price of the charm and my repair bill eats up anything I might make from grinding. And TT mat drops have been really crappy for me for a while (I've been wondering if they got nerfed), so running TT to make money is pointless. And when a veno can't make good money in this game, that says a lot!

And I'm not flaming, I'm just explaining that I worked hard for items, only to have them devalued. And I was a good girl, I cash shopped like mad for the anni packs and other items I needed, but when I can't get ANY of the items I need in-game because gold is so over-inflated, and when the even the items I've cash shopped for are devalued, there is no point in playing. I'm all for supporting the game through cash shop, but when the game comes to a point that the ONLY way to function in game is through cash shop, and yet neither your time or money are really worth anything...why play??

Without this re-introduction of the event, even with gold at 300K, I had planned to spend a great deal of time in-game farming to get my orbs. And I have not missed a single daily in MONTHS. But when gold was 500-600K in minutes after the event started again, I gave up. I haven't even logged in, let alone done dailies since. And I will log in to do TWs for my faction, but otherwise, I don't see myself playing because I can't ACCOMPLISH anything of value, with time or money.

On a suggestive note, in other games, when the economy gets out of control, the gms will sell enough gold to bring down prices, so while the game may take a temporary loss from the gold the gm's put into the game, in the long run they make more money because players like me would still play and be able to enjoy the game.

forks89 wrote: »

Yet again people fail to realize that events are OPTIONAL if you don't like them don't participate and wait til they are over.

Thanks for the event Gms.. But end it soon so I can cash in on my investment :P

optional, but how are you even going to hold a candle against those who have all those gears. How are you ever going to TW / PK again? Sure you can still get into a TW / PK, but what fun would it be if you start on a lower starting point than someone whos ur level but with all those lunar glade gears?

PWI has become a game that once you have cash, you win. There is no enjoyment from a non-paying customer at all, one has to merchant all day long in order to keep up with inflation.

This is especially true for the new comers, they do not have the capital like us to play with the market, they have to spend money to buy the things they like. Farming is out of the question as you have to farm 5x more now than before to get the same item of a certain gold value.

This takes the fun factor out of the game. What makes a game a game without enjoyment? There is no work for reward system anymore like alyona has said...

forks89 wrote: »

If you want something and don't have a credit card you can still work for it in game, granted it will take longer than clicking on boxes but it sure as hell will save your cash and still allow you to compete with the excessive CS players.

Good luck with some of those Lunar Glade Rings.


You cant hold a candle to:

+50% Accuracy
+3% Critical
+200 Magic Defense.


The HH90 ring doesn't even come close.


The Rank 8 Equipment too.

+4% Critical
-6% Channelling


There is no ring that will give anything close to that.


Sure, it will take longer, but 200,000 Reputation at 3 Reputation a One Man Army is approximately 67,000 one man army's. Assuming you can kill 60 monsters every 10 minutes, it will take you 462 days straight uninterrupted killing. Or, 11,111 hours of constant grinding.


To be honest, I wouldn't despise these Anniversary packs if they made achieving some of these milestones easier.

angellicdeity wrote: »

Good luck with some of those Lunar Glade Rings.


You cant hold a candle to:

+50% Accuracy
+3% Critical
+200 Magic Defense.


The HH90 ring doesn't even come close.


The Rank 8 Equipment too.

+4% Critical
-6% Channelling


There is no ring that will give anything close to that.


Sure, it will take longer, but 200,000 Reputation at 3 Reputation a One Man Army is approximately 67,000 one man army's. Assuming you can kill 60 monsters every 10 minutes, it will take you 462 days straight uninterrupted killing. Or, 11,111 hours of constant grinding.


To be honest, I wouldn't despise these Anniversary packs if they made achieving some of these milestones easier.

Before there was Lunar Glade rings there was:

Ring of Mastodon's Strength:
88 P.attack
Vitality +4~5
Critical Hit Rate +2%
Accuracy +30%

I saw it on many many barbs, bms and archers wayyyy before the anni packs..

Know your info before you say that there is nothing that can compare.

PS Ring of Mastodon's is a TT90 Gold, so you can even wear it before the lunar glades lvl 95 requirement.