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  • joshmauljoshmaul Member Posts: 310 Arc User
    angronswe wrote: »
    Does "LE Bundle sale Ends in" mean it will go from 19,5k too 30k zen after 25 days or that the bundle won't be there anymore?

    Kael gave an answer in the announcement thread:
    Hey folks!
    There's a bug in the C-store, so I want to correct this before people miss out on the sale. The 35% off sale on the bundle lasts until 2/27. The bundle itself is available until 3/9. Thanks!

    Welp, so much for my ever getting this. I won't have even the sale price available to me until May.
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,444 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    OMG! I just bought the bundle! Can't believe I did this! :# But it turned out there's a massive Zen sales going on too. So, I was now done for only $150 (with 2200+ Zen to spare). For that price, I just caved. Let's face it, I was willing to pay near $100 for the Defiant alone; if $50 exta got me the full bundle, well, there was no longer saying No to that (short of robbing my own wallet).

    so you bought $100 and $50 separately? if so that would of been 19,800 zen total. Sale price of standard bundle is 19,500 zen.

  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
    lianthelia wrote: »
    lianthelia wrote: »
    I'll guarantee you that if these ships are ever sold individually, they will go for quite a bit more than your average C-Store T6. They've included every skin, every console, and every weapon of every other variant with these ships, plus 2 Starship Traits, and they're Fleet level to boot. All of that will be used to justify the higher cost. And rightly so.

    People have been claiming for years that they'd be willing to pay $100s for various Lockbox/Lobi/Promo ships if they were made available in the C-Store as guaranteed account unlocks. Well, here we are. It's happening and, not surprising, people are still complaining about it. 😒

    Yup...I mean I'd honestly expect the TOS and Discovery Connies to go for 8-10k or so zen...maybe get a bit of a sale in Mudd's Market. Others for maybe 5-6k

    I've seen people complaining about how scummy lock box/r&d ships are but they're also complaining about the price...well CBS doesn't fund them game, they need to make money in order to keep the doors open. I guess some people were expecting to get their account unlocked Discovery Connie for 3k

    There's another faction here who want account unlocks that is being overlooked.

    I have wanted a way to account unlock box ships I already have. They already got their money from the initial unlock, but translating that to account unlock is not something they are offering, neither with discounts on these Cstore ships if you already have them or from some other means.

    I'm sure this pack stings to people who already have some of the various Connies it offers because their previous investment isn't being respected. Fortunately for me, I have none of the box ships in this pack, so to me it remains a pretty good deal even if I don't want 3 of those box ships.

    While I'm not saying that that particular want isn't valid, I don't see how it's valid here...these ships are literally different ships than the R&D ones...not only does the R&D Discovery Connie have better stats it also has the best Phasers in the game...same for the TOS Connie having better stats.

    They both have a slower turn rate and less inertia...TOS Connie is only 4/4 which is probably to counter the fact you can throw a 5th tac console on and the Discovery Connie loses that 5th console option.

    The Devs said they were looking into that issue if I recall? It may not be here today but hopefully some day.

    Yes they are technically different ships. However, for many, perhaps most people, the stats are less important than the looks. Its space barbie.

    Are people chasing a TOS Connie because they want the stats of the Temporal Connie, or because its the TOS Connie?

    To put it another way, would this bundle have remotely as much appeal if it were the Legendary Dewan Toilet Brush/Kazon ship bundle? I think not.

    People want the ships they know and love, and that is entirely based on what they look like and how they were seen in the shows/movies. What slots/specializations it has isn't nearly as important as long as it is a viable T6.
  • steaensteaen Member Posts: 617 Arc User
    edited February 2020
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 8,600 Arc User
    edited February 2020
    joshmaul wrote: »
    angronswe wrote: »
    Does "LE Bundle sale Ends in" mean it will go from 19,5k too 30k zen after 25 days or that the bundle won't be there anymore?

    Kael gave an answer in the announcement thread:
    Hey folks!
    There's a bug in the C-store, so I want to correct this before people miss out on the sale. The 35% off sale on the bundle lasts until 2/27. The bundle itself is available until 3/9. Thanks!

    Welp, so much for my ever getting this. I won't have even the sale price available to me until May.

    Odds are decent it will pop up again a few times a year like everything else, if not sooner then somewhere in Black Friday - New Years.

    Start saving now so you already have the money when it comes back, it might just be for a weekend next time. As a bonus, you'll have a tiny emergency fund until then.
  • joshmauljoshmaul Member Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited February 2020
    Odds are decent it will pop up again a few times a year like everything else

    Yeah, and odds are decent it will be when my pockets are empty again. I'm cursed.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,155 Arc User
    lianthelia wrote: »
    lianthelia wrote: »
    I'll guarantee you that if these ships are ever sold individually, they will go for quite a bit more than your average C-Store T6. They've included every skin, every console, and every weapon of every other variant with these ships, plus 2 Starship Traits, and they're Fleet level to boot. All of that will be used to justify the higher cost. And rightly so.

    People have been claiming for years that they'd be willing to pay $100s for various Lockbox/Lobi/Promo ships if they were made available in the C-Store as guaranteed account unlocks. Well, here we are. It's happening and, not surprising, people are still complaining about it. 😒

    Yup...I mean I'd honestly expect the TOS and Discovery Connies to go for 8-10k or so zen...maybe get a bit of a sale in Mudd's Market. Others for maybe 5-6k

    I've seen people complaining about how scummy lock box/r&d ships are but they're also complaining about the price...well CBS doesn't fund them game, they need to make money in order to keep the doors open. I guess some people were expecting to get their account unlocked Discovery Connie for 3k

    There's another faction here who want account unlocks that is being overlooked.

    I have wanted a way to account unlock box ships I already have. They already got their money from the initial unlock, but translating that to account unlock is not something they are offering, neither with discounts on these Cstore ships if you already have them or from some other means.

    I'm sure this pack stings to people who already have some of the various Connies it offers because their previous investment isn't being respected. Fortunately for me, I have none of the box ships in this pack, so to me it remains a pretty good deal even if I don't want 3 of those box ships.

    While I'm not saying that that particular want isn't valid, I don't see how it's valid here...these ships are literally different ships than the R&D ones...not only does the R&D Discovery Connie have better stats it also has the best Phasers in the game...same for the TOS Connie having better stats.

    They both have a slower turn rate and less inertia...TOS Connie is only 4/4 which is probably to counter the fact you can throw a 5th tac console on and the Discovery Connie loses that 5th console option.

    The Devs said they were looking into that issue if I recall? It may not be here today but hopefully some day.

    Yes they are technically different ships. However, for many, perhaps most people, the stats are less important than the looks. Its space barbie.

    Are people chasing a TOS Connie because they want the stats of the Temporal Connie, or because its the TOS Connie?

    To put it another way, would this bundle have remotely as much appeal if it were the Legendary Dewan Toilet Brush/Kazon ship bundle? I think not.

    People want the ships they know and love, and that is entirely based on what they look like and how they were seen in the shows/movies. What slots/specializations it has isn't nearly as important as long as it is a viable T6.

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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 4,445 Arc User
    > @warmaker001b said:
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    > Space Barbie is the True Endgame in STO.


    Yes. Any for any doubters:

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  • tobiashirttobiashirt Member Posts: 630 Arc User
    > @evilmark444 said:
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    > It was going to be an Intrepid regardless, Mike just pressed that it be the Warship version. Jette then decided it needed to follow the previous in-game Intrepid stat lineage instead of being a full Warship like it was designed to be (a decision I HIGHLY disagree with).

    Or we could have made it a scout ship so folks could reconfigure it to be as tac heavy as desired. Possibly a recon destroyer like the New Orleans, so a 4/3 slightly less durable destroyer that's closer in flight characteristics and hull to a sci ship.
  • phoenix841phoenix841 Member Posts: 477 Arc User
    I'll guarantee you that if these ships are ever sold individually, they will go for quite a bit more than your average C-Store T6. They've included every skin, every console, and every weapon of every other variant with these ships, plus 2 Starship Traits, and they're Fleet level to boot. All of that will be used to justify the higher cost. And rightly so.

    I don't understand why people keep bringing "fleet level" into this conversation. There is no price difference between a C-Store T6, and a fleet level C-Store T6.

    The regular T6 Sovereign (Intel) is the same price as the T6 Odyssey Star Cruiser, for example. Both are T6, both are 3000z, but one is fleet level. Yes, the latter is part of a bundle, but you don't have to buy the bundle.

    The only difference is if you want to rip yourself off by buying a lower-quality T6 ship, then paying extra for a fleet module on top of it.

    That said, the extra consoles, traits, and skins I do agree would contribute to the overall value of the ship, so the price would be higher.
    My thought is maybe 4500-5000z. Taking into account that you don't actually get the lower level ships, means you lose out on the extra admiralty cards.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,106 Arc User
    tigeraries wrote: »
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    OMG! I just bought the bundle! Can't believe I did this! :# But it turned out there's a massive Zen sales going on too. So, I was now done for only $150 (with 2200+ Zen to spare). For that price, I just caved. Let's face it, I was willing to pay near $100 for the Defiant alone; if $50 exta got me the full bundle, well, there was no longer saying No to that (short of robbing my own wallet).

    so you bought $100 and $50 separately? if so that would of been 19,800 zen total. Sale price of standard bundle is 19,500 zen.


    Think again. :) For the $100 Zen pack, you're getting 11,000 + 3,850 = 14,850 Zen. And for the $50 pack, 5,500 + 1,430. So, 21,780 Zen in total.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 5,677 Arc User
    tobiashirt wrote: »
    > evilmark444 said:
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    > It was going to be an Intrepid regardless, Mike just pressed that it be the Warship version. Jette then decided it needed to follow the previous in-game Intrepid stat lineage instead of being a full Warship like it was designed to be (a decision I HIGHLY disagree with).

    Or we could have made it a scout ship so folks could reconfigure it to be as tac heavy as desired. Possibly a recon destroyer like the New Orleans, so a 4/3 slightly less durable destroyer that's closer in flight characteristics and hull to a sci ship.

    Honestly I'd have been happy with ANYTHING that took advantage of the ridiculous number of weapons emplacements the Warship Intrepid has. Science Destroyer, Recon Destroyer, anything at all with more than 3/3 weapons and access to at least LtC Tactical abilities. Warship, escort, or possibly raider setups would have truly done the design justice, but those were probably never on the table for a variant of a ship that's normally a Science Vessel.
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  • xanderkentxanderkent Member Posts: 34 Arc User
    Fear not. At some point when the bundle sales drop the ships will be made available individually without the accompanying consoles, just the ships and traits for 20-30% higher than regular c-store ships. Accompanied by a Zen sale.
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  • shadowfang240shadowfang240 Member Posts: 35,775 Arc User
    if you are paying for fleet modules, you are doing it wrong​​
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,444 Arc User
    edited February 2020
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    tigeraries wrote: »
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    OMG! I just bought the bundle! Can't believe I did this! :# But it turned out there's a massive Zen sales going on too. So, I was now done for only $150 (with 2200+ Zen to spare). For that price, I just caved. Let's face it, I was willing to pay near $100 for the Defiant alone; if $50 exta got me the full bundle, well, there was no longer saying No to that (short of robbing my own wallet).

    so you bought $100 and $50 separately? if so that would of been 19,800 zen total. Sale price of standard bundle is 19,500 zen.


    Think again. :) For the $100 Zen pack, you're getting 11,000 + 3,850 = 14,850 Zen. And for the $50 pack, 5,500 + 1,430. So, 21,780 Zen in total.

    ummm that is not what the info saying... $50 is getting you 6,300 (bonus included) zen. $100 nets ya 13,500 zen, again that's bonus included. $1 = 100 zen is normal price, you normally also get a bonus at certain tiers levels, that bonus is increased.
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  • phoenix841phoenix841 Member Posts: 477 Arc User
    if you are paying for fleet modules, you are doing it wrong​​

    Time or money, it doesn't matter, you're spending more somewhere.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,231 Arc User
    By the way, the Ship slots are 5 - 2 slot ACCOUNT Bound Inventory Items.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 8,600 Arc User
    edited February 2020
    ltminns wrote: »
    By the way, the Ship slots are 5 - 2 slot ACCOUNT Bound Inventory Items.

    Nice, that's what most people with alts will want since their different captains will each fly 1-x different ships not all 10.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,890 Arc User
    phoenix841 wrote: »
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    The only difference is if you want to rip yourself off by buying a lower-quality T6 ship, then paying extra for a fleet module on top of it.

    I wouldn't necessarily disagree that a bundle ship that comes with Fleet Quality out of the gate seems a better deal than a ship you still have to get a fleet module for, but the latter option gives you one extra admiralty card and access to the Fleet Materials for the ship. The Fleet-Level bundle ships do not have access to fleet materials. So I guess that means 500 Zen for an extra paint job and Admiralty card.
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    By the way, the Ship slots are 5 - 2 slot ACCOUNT Bound Inventory Items.

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  • shadowkoshshadowkosh Member Posts: 1,539 Arc User
    Is this just for a limited time or are you going to be able to buy it anytime
  • shadowkoshshadowkosh Member Posts: 1,539 Arc User
    So is this bundle just for a limited time or can you buy it down the road I cannot afford it until the end of the month
  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,444 Arc User
    shadowkosh wrote: »
    So is this bundle just for a limited time or can you buy it down the road I cannot afford it until the end of the month

    limited time - discount ends Feb 27th... then full price. bundle goes poof March 9th
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 5,677 Arc User
    shadowkosh wrote: »
    So is this bundle just for a limited time or can you buy it down the road I cannot afford it until the end of the month
    Hey folks!
    There's a bug in the C-store, so I want to correct this before people miss out on the sale. The 35% off sale on the bundle lasts until 2/27. The bundle itself is available until 3/9. Thanks!
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  • lasoniolasonio Member Posts: 449 Arc User
    lots of legendary ships on the field now, will probably take me a few days to finish all the legendary traits 2-3 max

    Then i will remove the ships since i only wanted the traits anyhow. 220 isn't bad for 10 new traits and some extra toys to throw around when the release the next lock box.

    Hate it all but who cares, i feel the legendary traits alone were worth 22.00 though i probably would have paid 50-75.00 each for 2-3 of them. The rest is just extra storage so meh
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  • darpendragondarpendragon Member Posts: 162 Arc User
    It was mentioned in one of the previous twitch streams that the bundle will be available for a limited time.

    It was also mentioned that the ships will return over time and the bundle might also return after a while after the ships have returned.
  • ishigami2ishigami2 Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited February 2020
    I went ahead and bought the bundle.
    Ultimately I had to pay 110€ with the Zen charge bonus, so I got even below my calculated 120€. Considering I love the (prime timeline) canon ships and wanted most of the ships stat and spec wise I think it is an okay deal.

    The Defiant is an absolute beast for my Tac. Everything I hopped it would be.
    My Eng is very happy with the new Sovereign, she is as good as it gets for my build.
    The only left out is kinda my Sci… she will be happy with the new trait from the Discovery however.

    The 3x XP Bonus on patrols is speeding unlocking up quite a lot.
  • ishigami2ishigami2 Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited February 2020
    *fingertrouble*
  • ryurangerryuranger Member Posts: 451 Arc User
    Hay I love the 10th Aniiversary offer you have but I cannot afford it now I mean almost $200 for it can you do an Extension to End of April or have the Classes either a t6 heavy Cruiser Class Jefferson or have some sort of special Box event for them
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 7,036 Community Moderator
    Folks, we already have a thread discussing the ships and the bundle. Please stop making new threads. /Merged 2 threads.
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