OK Artan, you are wrong about a lot of things. But before I explain that, I want make something clear: I like disco AND I like disco klingons. The reason I like disco klingons is because they DO look weird and different from the klingons we were used to from TNG. That's not to say I didn't like TNG klingons, because I do. But I also liked this weird new "re-imagining" of the design too.
Anyway, back you being wrong. Here is an earlier comment you made:
K'Vort. They also had prominent TNG style Klingons all over DSC series 1. Just because T'Kuvma and Kol were bald it doesn't mean they're not TNG style Klingons.
L'Rell and the other coneheads are nothing like Kol who's nothing like L'Rell's uncle who's nothing like the Ferengi looking council woman.
So you are saying that T'Kuvma and Kol are TNG Klingons, just bald. AND you are saying that T'Kuvma and Kol are NOT like the "coneheads". Well...no:
It's true that their' heads might not be quite AS coned AS L'Rell's head is, but it's also clearly not a "normal" TNG Klingon head either. As proof of that point, just compare the shape of T'Kuvma and Kol's heads above with his father's head:
Kol's father clearly has a more normal shaped head depth. It's not even very different from Tyler's in that scene. So you are wrong that T'Kuvma and Kol are TNG style Klingons, just bald. And you are also wrong that there were TNG-style Klingons "all over the place" in disco S1.
S2 clearly made a significant shift in Klingon appearance. They still had the weird coneheads around (because they couldn't completely disregard what they had shown in S1), but they started adding much more familiar looks like K'vort who you mentioned earlier:
TL;DR: Disco Klingons in S1 were quite different from traditional TNG Klingons. That's ok, I liked it. And in S2 they intentionally added more traditional looks. And I like that too. I think the new amount of Klingon variety is cool.
But please stop making false statements that are so easily dis-proven with pictures.
Acknowledging my own guilt in this situation, could we maybe take all this disco Klingon talk elsewhere? This thread is for Picard, so despite a picture of Worf all this disco klingon stuff is still pretty far away from that. If someone else wants to start a new thread for that, cool.
We haven't even seen a Klingon yet in Star Trek Picard, so maybe move that discussion somewhere else where it doesn't bother people that want to talk about Picard in the thread about Picard. Just a suggestion, I am not your mo(m)derator.
EDIT: Hah, apparently missed thegrandnagus1 last message, even though we're 1h apart. Thanks.
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I was surprised how quickly episode 2 was over. Not being able to binge all episodes can really be harsh. On the other hand, that leaves a whole week to discuss every nitty-gritty detail.
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I suspect if we see a Klingon, it'll be worf and thus they'll go with the tradtional make up.
regarding Picard's fate I definatly agree this'll be his swan song. Patrick Stewart is about 80, and his age is really beginning to show, I can't imagine them locking into a "potentially 7 year series" with this, my guess is we'll get 1-3 seasons, and the series will then end
I suspect if we see a Klingon, it'll be worf and thus they'll go with the tradtional make up.
regarding Picard's fate I definatly agree this'll be his swan song. Patrick Stewart is about 80, and his age is really beginning to show, I can't imagine them locking into a "potentially 7 year series" with this, my guess is we'll get 1-3 seasons, and the series will then end
Agreed. I'm actually hoping for a Picard "trilogy" (3 seasons), but yes this is probably going to be the end of his story.
I just finished watching "Generations" again. First, it's a damn good movie; way better than I remember. Second, I thought it fit in nicely with Picard; with all the talk of time catching up with you and things left undone. Third, it was so weird seeing the Ent-D with the movie lighting. Some of the scenes looked like there were literally no lights on in the room, with the only light coming through the window. Anyway, I would recommend it as a rewatch to enhance your viewing of Picard 👍
I hope he doesn't die at the end of the series. I feel like it would be cliche. Almost Logan-esque even.
you say that like Logan was a bad movie, not only was it excellent, but I'd not be at all suprised if Patrick Stewart would admit that it might in part have held the genisis of Picard.
> @captainbrian11 said: > (Quote) > > you say that like Logan was a bad movie, not only was it excellent, but I'd not be at all suprised if Patrick Stewart would admit that it might in part have held the genisis of Picard.
When I saw Logan just a wewk before Picard I knew why Stewart agreed. And his part was great. But I would strongly disagree with Logan being a good movie. My wife and I dubbed it 'Angry, Old and Tired - Everybody Dies' and couldn't stop riffing due to the incredible cheesiness and almost less than one dimensional disney villians. 😂
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differant strokes for differant folks. but yeah it's definatly the reason why we got Picard. Stewart I think after doing it realized how intreasting playing an old declining hero can be.
discovery's 'F-bomb' got such a huge reaction since it was the first time it happened - picard got less of one because it had already happened once...but it was most certainly not 'meh' - there was still a LOT of people getting into a pearl-clutching tizzy over it
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I personally have never had a problem with foul language, if they want to use the 'F' word now that they aren't on network TV then they should fraking use it. I also thought it fit the scene in episode 2 very well, it really underlined just how poorly the conversation was going for Picard.
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> you say that like Logan was a bad movie, not only was it excellent, but I'd not be at all suprised if Patrick Stewart would admit that it might in part have held the genisis of Picard.
When I saw Logan just a wewk before Picard I knew why Stewart agreed. And his part was great. But I would strongly disagree with Logan being a good movie. My wife and I dubbed it 'Angry, Old and Tired - Everybody Dies' and couldn't stop riffing due to the incredible cheesiness and almost less than one dimensional disney villians. 😂
I liked Dafne Keen as stabby girl(aka Laura/X23-23).
Anyway, back to this show: does anyone else think they are setting up some kind of ancient Romulan/Borg connection like humans and cylons in BSG?
Possibly, though I get the impression the Borg are older than the Romulans (the people who became knows as the Romulans left Vulcan around 470 AD (according to dialog in the TNG episode "Gambit") and probably took a little while to finally settle in their classic home system. In "First Contact" the Borg queen claimed they had been developing for "thousands of centuries" though she is probably not the most trustworthy source of information either so anything is possible.
Well, we know the Borg date back to at least 1484 AD; dialogue in 'Dragon's Teeth' clearly stated that, at that time, the Borg "only controlled a handfull of systems in the Delta Quadrant". The Vaadwaur had no reason to lie in this regard.
But.... do the Vaadwaur actually KNOW anything? why would the Vaadwaur actually KNOW the extent of Borg Territory? I took it as being that the Vaadwaur had only seen a few Borg, not that they knew where they all were.
The question is, what were the Borg like before then? Were they always a nuisance before then or had they been a great terror once taken down by some virus (thus Seven's comment about the Collective having only "fragmentary memories" from then)?
I hope he doesn't die at the end of the series. I feel like it would be cliche. Almost Logan-esque even.
On second thought, maybe we should expect him to die at the end of the series? They did set up the irumodic syndrome thing. Unless they can fix it with Borg implants.
Anyway, back to this show: does anyone else think they are setting up some kind of ancient Romulan/Borg connection like humans and cylons in BSG?
Possibly, though I get the impression the Borg are older than the Romulans (the people who became knows as the Romulans left Vulcan around 470 AD (according to dialog in the TNG episode "Gambit") and probably took a little while to finally settle in their classic home system. In "First Contact" the Borg queen claimed they had been developing for "thousands of centuries" though she is probably not the most trustworthy source of information either so anything is possible.
Well, we know the Borg date back to at least 1484 AD; dialogue in 'Dragon's Teeth' clearly stated that, at that time, the Borg "only controlled a handfull of systems in the Delta Quadrant". The Vaadwaur had no reason to lie in this regard.
But.... do the Vaadwaur actually KNOW anything? why would the Vaadwaur actually KNOW the extent of Borg Territory? I took it as being that the Vaadwaur had only seen a few Borg, not that they knew where they all were.
The Vaadwaur had access to the Underspace so they would know better how large Borg Territory was before they went into suspended animation compared to other races.
It is also possible that the Borg are not native to delta, or at least not that section of it and all the Vaadwaur saw was an expanding beachhead of some sort, so both could be right.
Anyway, back to this show: does anyone else think they are setting up some kind of ancient Romulan/Borg connection like humans and cylons in BSG?
Possibly, though I get the impression the Borg are older than the Romulans (the people who became knows as the Romulans left Vulcan around 470 AD (according to dialog in the TNG episode "Gambit") and probably took a little while to finally settle in their classic home system. In "First Contact" the Borg queen claimed they had been developing for "thousands of centuries" though she is probably not the most trustworthy source of information either so anything is possible.
Well, we know the Borg date back to at least 1484 AD; dialogue in 'Dragon's Teeth' clearly stated that, at that time, the Borg "only controlled a handfull of systems in the Delta Quadrant". The Vaadwaur had no reason to lie in this regard.
But.... do the Vaadwaur actually KNOW anything? why would the Vaadwaur actually KNOW the extent of Borg Territory? I took it as being that the Vaadwaur had only seen a few Borg, not that they knew where they all were.
Underspace.
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Anyway, back to this show: does anyone else think they are setting up some kind of ancient Romulan/Borg connection like humans and cylons in BSG?
Possibly, though I get the impression the Borg are older than the Romulans (the people who became knows as the Romulans left Vulcan around 470 AD (according to dialog in the TNG episode "Gambit") and probably took a little while to finally settle in their classic home system. In "First Contact" the Borg queen claimed they had been developing for "thousands of centuries" though she is probably not the most trustworthy source of information either so anything is possible.
Well, we know the Borg date back to at least 1484 AD; dialogue in 'Dragon's Teeth' clearly stated that, at that time, the Borg "only controlled a handfull of systems in the Delta Quadrant". The Vaadwaur had no reason to lie in this regard.
But.... do the Vaadwaur actually KNOW anything? why would the Vaadwaur actually KNOW the extent of Borg Territory? I took it as being that the Vaadwaur had only seen a few Borg, not that they knew where they all were.
Underspace.
That's not a solid explanation. 1: we know Underspace corridors are FAST travel, but have limited exit points. 2: we don't know how much of Underspace the Vaadwaur actually explored, 3: did the Borg even originate in the Delta Quadrant at all?
Anyway, back to this show: does anyone else think they are setting up some kind of ancient Romulan/Borg connection like humans and cylons in BSG?
Possibly, though I get the impression the Borg are older than the Romulans (the people who became knows as the Romulans left Vulcan around 470 AD (according to dialog in the TNG episode "Gambit") and probably took a little while to finally settle in their classic home system. In "First Contact" the Borg queen claimed they had been developing for "thousands of centuries" though she is probably not the most trustworthy source of information either so anything is possible.
Well, we know the Borg date back to at least 1484 AD; dialogue in 'Dragon's Teeth' clearly stated that, at that time, the Borg "only controlled a handfull of systems in the Delta Quadrant". The Vaadwaur had no reason to lie in this regard.
But.... do the Vaadwaur actually KNOW anything? why would the Vaadwaur actually KNOW the extent of Borg Territory? I took it as being that the Vaadwaur had only seen a few Borg, not that they knew where they all were.
Underspace.
That's not a solid explanation. 1: we know Underspace corridors are FAST travel, but have limited exit points. 2: we don't know how much of Underspace the Vaadwaur actually explored, 3: did the Borg even originate in the Delta Quadrant at all?
We know that the Vaadwaur encountered Talax and Vaadwaur had a habit of employing hit and run tactics using Underspace for their piracy activities.
GEDRIN: You're Borg.
SEVEN: How do you know that?
GEDRIN: Don't you recognise my people? The Vaadwaur?
SEVEN: The Collective's memory from nine hundred years ago is fragmentary.
GEDRIN: I've had many encounters with your kind.
EMH: And lived to tell about them? Impressive.
GEDRIN: The corridors were ours. It took centuries to map them. We were the envy of a hundred species, including the Turei.
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GEDRIN: That star cluster in grid fourteen twenty one? Nearly half the planets are inhabitable.
SEVEN: Unfortunately they are already occupied. By the Borg.
GEDRIN: The Borg? In my century they'd only assimilated a handful of systems. It looks like they've spread through the quadrant like a plague. No offence.
So if the Vaudwaar said that there was only a handful of assimilated systems 900 years ago, then we can take it to be accurate. As far as the Borg originating from a different location, then there is no proof of that and would require a TV series to show the Origin of the Borg. It is possible that over 900 years ago, the Borg was almost destroyed which would explain their amnesia, but that can also be easily explained by the Borg was recently created 900 years ago and hasn't evolved to the Borg Collective that we know.
It is possible that over 900 years ago, the Borg was almost destroyed which would explain their amnesia, but that can also be easily explained by the Borg was recently created 900 years ago and hasn't evolved to the Borg Collective that we know.
Underspace let the Vaadwaur travel the whole quadrant that had exit points from Underspace.
In Jerry Pournelle's CoDominium/Empire of Man universe, the Alderson Drive could take a ship very nearly instantaneously from an Alderson departure point in one system to its corresponding point in another system; each Alderson point connected to only one other. Some system, like Sol or Draco, had many such points, while some had only one or two, and some had none at all. (Also, some points, like the Crazy Eddie Point in the Mote system, were useless without supplementary technologies; its other end was inside the photosphere of a red giant star, where any ship without a Langston field would be destroyed.)
In The Mote In God's Eye, co-written with Larry Niven, there's a section of a lecture by a professor at the University of Serpens on the topic of how much of the galaxy the Empire controls. He notes that while they do have complete control of every system they include in the Empire, they know literally nothing of the space between, as they do not occupy it. He likened it to a foam of bubbles, rather than the contiguous spaces that the maps traditionally showed.
Similarly, while the Vaadwaur have intimate knowledge of the systems at Underspace exit points (as they existed a millennium ago, anyway), they know nothing of the spaces in between, because they never traversed those spaces. Any systems without Underspace gates might as well not have existed, as far as they were concerned.
Similarly, while the Vaadwaur have intimate knowledge of the systems at Underspace exit points (as they existed a millennium ago, anyway), they know nothing of the spaces in between, because they never traversed those spaces. Any systems without Underspace gates might as well not have existed, as far as they were concerned.
This ignores that the Vaadwaur still had conventional warp drive, which would have allowed them to easily explore the spaces between the Underspace exist points.
We know that the Federation has been able to explore about 19% of the galaxy in 200 years of space exploration(as per season 2 of TNG) without having access to things like Underspace. The Vaadwaur would have achieved the same in much less time due to the extra speed/distance boosts Undespace provides.
It is very possible the Vaadwaur had a nearly complete idea of the quadrant back in their time.
Vaadwaur sensors did not seem to be anywhere near as good as Federation ones though, so they would need more ships to actually go out and get closer looks at things around the underspace points so they would not have know as much as the Federation would have with underspace access. They seemed a bit insular so they probably mostly poked their noses out to see if they saw anything of interest close by and check to make sure there was nothing that could pose a threat to the network near the transfer points.
Also there is the possibility that they did not know precisely where those transfer points were in normal space and the "few systems" could be points on a rather large territory. I remember reading one of those jump point network style stories where the protagonists were concerned by possible hostile forces moving into worlds widely separated on the network, which looked like a massive invasion but really those points all mapped out to a single neighborhood of very close together stars and the "invaders" were relatively primitive and spreading out sublight (or something along those lines anyway, it has been a long time since I read it).
Babylon5 had something similar in a way, the Centauri homeworld was relatively close and the Narn homeworld relatively distant in hyperspace terms, but the opposite was true in realspace terms.
Similarly, while the Vaadwaur have intimate knowledge of the systems at Underspace exit points (as they existed a millennium ago, anyway), they know nothing of the spaces in between, because they never traversed those spaces. Any systems without Underspace gates might as well not have existed, as far as they were concerned.
This ignores that the Vaadwaur still had conventional warp drive, which would have allowed them to easily explore the spaces between the Underspace exist points.
We know that the Federation has been able to explore about 19% of the galaxy in 200 years of space exploration(as per season 2 of TNG) without having access to things like Underspace. The Vaadwaur would have achieved the same in much less time due to the extra speed/distance boosts Undespace provides.
It is very possible the Vaadwaur had a nearly complete idea of the quadrant back in their time.
Vaadwaur sensors did not seem to be anywhere near as good as Federation ones though, so they would need more ships to actually go out and get closer looks at things around the underspace points so they would not have know as much as the Federation would have with underspace access. They seemed a bit insular so they probably mostly poked their noses out to see if they saw anything of interest close by and check to make sure there was nothing that could pose a threat to the network near the transfer points.
Also there is the possibility that they did not know precisely where those transfer points were in normal space and the "few systems" could be points on a rather large territory. I remember reading one of those jump point network style stories where the protagonists were concerned by possible hostile forces moving into worlds widely separated on the network, which looked like a massive invasion but really those points all mapped out to a single neighborhood of very close together stars and the "invaders" were relatively primitive and spreading out sublight (or something along those lines anyway, it has been a long time since I read it).
Babylon5 had something similar in a way, the Centauri homeworld was relatively close and the Narn homeworld relatively distant in hyperspace terms, but the opposite was true in realspace terms.
The Vaaudwaur 'explorers' would have a good idea where they are in normal space based on using certain interstellar markers. So as long as Underspace is limited to the Delta Quadrant, then they know where they are, but if Underspace is intergalactic or interdimensional, then they are SOL. If we can determine how far a blackhole, quasar, pulsar, neutron star, supernova, etc is, then the Vaadwaur would be far better at it.
Similarly, while the Vaadwaur have intimate knowledge of the systems at Underspace exit points (as they existed a millennium ago, anyway), they know nothing of the spaces in between, because they never traversed those spaces. Any systems without Underspace gates might as well not have existed, as far as they were concerned.
This ignores that the Vaadwaur still had conventional warp drive, which would have allowed them to easily explore the spaces between the Underspace exist points.
We know that the Federation has been able to explore about 19% of the galaxy in 200 years of space exploration(as per season 2 of TNG) without having access to things like Underspace. The Vaadwaur would have achieved the same in much less time due to the extra speed/distance boosts Undespace provides.
It is very possible the Vaadwaur had a nearly complete idea of the quadrant back in their time.
Vaadwaur sensors did not seem to be anywhere near as good as Federation ones though, so they would need more ships to actually go out and get closer looks at things around the underspace points so they would not have know as much as the Federation would have with underspace access. They seemed a bit insular so they probably mostly poked their noses out to see if they saw anything of interest close by and check to make sure there was nothing that could pose a threat to the network near the transfer points.
Also there is the possibility that they did not know precisely where those transfer points were in normal space and the "few systems" could be points on a rather large territory. I remember reading one of those jump point network style stories where the protagonists were concerned by possible hostile forces moving into worlds widely separated on the network, which looked like a massive invasion but really those points all mapped out to a single neighborhood of very close together stars and the "invaders" were relatively primitive and spreading out sublight (or something along those lines anyway, it has been a long time since I read it).
Babylon5 had something similar in a way, the Centauri homeworld was relatively close and the Narn homeworld relatively distant in hyperspace terms, but the opposite was true in realspace terms.
For that matter, it could work something like the Flow in Scalzi's Interdependency novels, where you can enter and leave the Flow at certain "shoal" points, and each shoal connects to one other through the Flow, but the Flow itself doesn't map directly to realspace. (For instance, there's an incident in the second novel, The Consuming Fire, that involves a ship being stranded when the Flow breaks between two shoal points - the collapse of the Flow, and thus the Interdependency, is the driving force in the trilogy. The ship is then stranded hundreds of light-years from the nearest star. The book points out that if the Flow had collapsed a few seconds earlier, the ship would have been less than a light-year from long-lost Earth, while a few seconds later would have found it near the galactic core.)
If Underspace maps similarly, then knowing where a given Underspace portal is would still leave the Vaadwaur with no knowledge of the spaces in between - and given Vaadwaur arrogance, second only to the Voth, they might well claim mastery over spaces they had never in fact entered.
Watching the new episode now. Couldn't help but LOL when Picard said "unmitigated disaster" due to that phrase also being in the news this week. Anyway, more thoughts to come!
So, good episode. The plot is slowly creeping forward. Not a lot of significant new information(that jumped out at me, anyway). To agree with what many others have said already, the first 3 episodes form a nice "chapter"; very comparable to how the first 3 episodes of the Mandalorian fit together.
For that matter, it could work something like the Flow in Scalzi's Interdependency novels, where you can enter and leave the Flow at certain "shoal" points, and each shoal connects to one other through the Flow, but the Flow itself doesn't map directly to realspace. (For instance, there's an incident in the second novel, The Consuming Fire, that involves a ship being stranded when the Flow breaks between two shoal points - the collapse of the Flow, and thus the Interdependency, is the driving force in the trilogy. The ship is then stranded hundreds of light-years from the nearest star. The book points out that if the Flow had collapsed a few seconds earlier, the ship would have been less than a light-year from long-lost Earth, while a few seconds later would have found it near the galactic core.)
If Underspace maps similarly, then knowing where a given Underspace portal is would still leave the Vaadwaur with no knowledge of the spaces in between - and given Vaadwaur arrogance, second only to the Voth, they might well claim mastery over spaces they had never in fact entered.
The Honor Harrington books have what seems like a simple concept of Hyperspace, until you realize their version of Hyperspace has currents. Thus going from A to B might be easy but B to A might be impossible via Hyperspace. This is a fictional setting with multiple forms of FTL so you can use wormholes, and non-hyperspace warp drives too, but some routes via Hyperspace are stupid fast compared to standard warp. Wormholes are near instant, but sometimes one-way.
Similarly, while the Vaadwaur have intimate knowledge of the systems at Underspace exit points (as they existed a millennium ago, anyway), they know nothing of the spaces in between, because they never traversed those spaces. Any systems without Underspace gates might as well not have existed, as far as they were concerned.
This ignores that the Vaadwaur still had conventional warp drive, which would have allowed them to easily explore the spaces between the Underspace exist points.
We know that the Federation has been able to explore about 19% of the galaxy in 200 years of space exploration(as per season 2 of TNG) without having access to things like Underspace. The Vaadwaur would have achieved the same in much less time due to the extra speed/distance boosts Undespace provides.
It is very possible the Vaadwaur had a nearly complete idea of the quadrant back in their time.
Vaadwaur sensors did not seem to be anywhere near as good as Federation ones though, so they would need more ships to actually go out and get closer looks at things around the underspace points so they would not have know as much as the Federation would have with underspace access. They seemed a bit insular so they probably mostly poked their noses out to see if they saw anything of interest close by and check to make sure there was nothing that could pose a threat to the network near the transfer points.
Also there is the possibility that they did not know precisely where those transfer points were in normal space and the "few systems" could be points on a rather large territory. I remember reading one of those jump point network style stories where the protagonists were concerned by possible hostile forces moving into worlds widely separated on the network, which looked like a massive invasion but really those points all mapped out to a single neighborhood of very close together stars and the "invaders" were relatively primitive and spreading out sublight (or something along those lines anyway, it has been a long time since I read it).
Babylon5 had something similar in a way, the Centauri homeworld was relatively close and the Narn homeworld relatively distant in hyperspace terms, but the opposite was true in realspace terms.
Yeah we've never seen a map made by the Vaadwaur, so we have no idea how much of the quadrant they actually explored. It does seem to bear mentioning that they got all but wiped out in that war, so clearly whatever they knew wasn't that great...
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i couldn't understand why the first sibling needed to die. other than that a good start
I noticed that the Golden Gate Bridge looks as if it has solar power arrays lining its surface. Is this a correct assumption?
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Anyway, back you being wrong. Here is an earlier comment you made:
So you are saying that T'Kuvma and Kol are TNG Klingons, just bald. AND you are saying that T'Kuvma and Kol are NOT like the "coneheads". Well...no:
It's true that their' heads might not be quite AS coned AS L'Rell's head is, but it's also clearly not a "normal" TNG Klingon head either. As proof of that point, just compare the shape of T'Kuvma and Kol's heads above with his father's head:
Kol's father clearly has a more normal shaped head depth. It's not even very different from Tyler's in that scene. So you are wrong that T'Kuvma and Kol are TNG style Klingons, just bald. And you are also wrong that there were TNG-style Klingons "all over the place" in disco S1.
S2 clearly made a significant shift in Klingon appearance. They still had the weird coneheads around (because they couldn't completely disregard what they had shown in S1), but they started adding much more familiar looks like K'vort who you mentioned earlier:
TL;DR: Disco Klingons in S1 were quite different from traditional TNG Klingons. That's ok, I liked it. And in S2 they intentionally added more traditional looks. And I like that too. I think the new amount of Klingon variety is cool.
But please stop making false statements that are so easily dis-proven with pictures.
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I was surprised how quickly episode 2 was over. Not being able to binge all episodes can really be harsh. On the other hand, that leaves a whole week to discuss every nitty-gritty detail.
regarding Picard's fate I definatly agree this'll be his swan song. Patrick Stewart is about 80, and his age is really beginning to show, I can't imagine them locking into a "potentially 7 year series" with this, my guess is we'll get 1-3 seasons, and the series will then end
Agreed. I'm actually hoping for a Picard "trilogy" (3 seasons), but yes this is probably going to be the end of his story.
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you say that like Logan was a bad movie, not only was it excellent, but I'd not be at all suprised if Patrick Stewart would admit that it might in part have held the genisis of Picard.
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When I saw Logan just a wewk before Picard I knew why Stewart agreed. And his part was great. But I would strongly disagree with Logan being a good movie. My wife and I dubbed it 'Angry, Old and Tired - Everybody Dies' and couldn't stop riffing due to the incredible cheesiness and almost less than one dimensional disney villians. 😂
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A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
My character Tsin'xing
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On second thought, maybe we should expect him to die at the end of the series? They did set up the irumodic syndrome thing. Unless they can fix it with Borg implants.
The Vaadwaur had access to the Underspace so they would know better how large Borg Territory was before they went into suspended animation compared to other races.
Underspace.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
My character Tsin'xing
We know that the Vaadwaur encountered Talax and Vaadwaur had a habit of employing hit and run tactics using Underspace for their piracy activities.
So if the Vaudwaar said that there was only a handful of assimilated systems 900 years ago, then we can take it to be accurate. As far as the Borg originating from a different location, then there is no proof of that and would require a TV series to show the Origin of the Borg. It is possible that over 900 years ago, the Borg was almost destroyed which would explain their amnesia, but that can also be easily explained by the Borg was recently created 900 years ago and hasn't evolved to the Borg Collective that we know.
The Whale Probe did it.
In Jerry Pournelle's CoDominium/Empire of Man universe, the Alderson Drive could take a ship very nearly instantaneously from an Alderson departure point in one system to its corresponding point in another system; each Alderson point connected to only one other. Some system, like Sol or Draco, had many such points, while some had only one or two, and some had none at all. (Also, some points, like the Crazy Eddie Point in the Mote system, were useless without supplementary technologies; its other end was inside the photosphere of a red giant star, where any ship without a Langston field would be destroyed.)
In The Mote In God's Eye, co-written with Larry Niven, there's a section of a lecture by a professor at the University of Serpens on the topic of how much of the galaxy the Empire controls. He notes that while they do have complete control of every system they include in the Empire, they know literally nothing of the space between, as they do not occupy it. He likened it to a foam of bubbles, rather than the contiguous spaces that the maps traditionally showed.
Similarly, while the Vaadwaur have intimate knowledge of the systems at Underspace exit points (as they existed a millennium ago, anyway), they know nothing of the spaces in between, because they never traversed those spaces. Any systems without Underspace gates might as well not have existed, as far as they were concerned.
Vaadwaur sensors did not seem to be anywhere near as good as Federation ones though, so they would need more ships to actually go out and get closer looks at things around the underspace points so they would not have know as much as the Federation would have with underspace access. They seemed a bit insular so they probably mostly poked their noses out to see if they saw anything of interest close by and check to make sure there was nothing that could pose a threat to the network near the transfer points.
Also there is the possibility that they did not know precisely where those transfer points were in normal space and the "few systems" could be points on a rather large territory. I remember reading one of those jump point network style stories where the protagonists were concerned by possible hostile forces moving into worlds widely separated on the network, which looked like a massive invasion but really those points all mapped out to a single neighborhood of very close together stars and the "invaders" were relatively primitive and spreading out sublight (or something along those lines anyway, it has been a long time since I read it).
Babylon5 had something similar in a way, the Centauri homeworld was relatively close and the Narn homeworld relatively distant in hyperspace terms, but the opposite was true in realspace terms.
The Vaaudwaur 'explorers' would have a good idea where they are in normal space based on using certain interstellar markers. So as long as Underspace is limited to the Delta Quadrant, then they know where they are, but if Underspace is intergalactic or interdimensional, then they are SOL. If we can determine how far a blackhole, quasar, pulsar, neutron star, supernova, etc is, then the Vaadwaur would be far better at it.
If Underspace maps similarly, then knowing where a given Underspace portal is would still leave the Vaadwaur with no knowledge of the spaces in between - and given Vaadwaur arrogance, second only to the Voth, they might well claim mastery over spaces they had never in fact entered.
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Join Date: Sep 2008
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
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I noticed that the Golden Gate Bridge looks as if it has solar power arrays lining its surface. Is this a correct assumption?
Star Trek: Picard is going to expand Star Trek like we have never seen Trek before. Picard is going to take us there and back again, to a place we will never want to leave.