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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    vestereng wrote: »
    Do you agree you are one

    Y'know what, nevermind. Not worth it. If your defense tactic is one-line responses that don't address any of the points brought against you, then you aren't worth the time to argue with.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,669 Community Moderator
    edited October 2014
    jexsamx wrote: »
    Y'know what, nevermind. Not worth it. If your defense tactic is one-line responses that don't address any of the points brought against you, then you aren't worth the time to argue with.

    Agreed. Its going nowhere because they're convinced they're right no matter what anyone says. I'm walking away from this one.
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  • guilli88guilli88 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    xms9779 wrote: »
    *Devnote: players were having fun in an area unrelated to newly released content. This conflicted with the experience we intended for players to have, and has been fixed.



    This.

    It was the only space combat that didnt fee like you were pulling your own teeth. Now all we have left are ridiculous health pool enemies that award almost no xp or anything else.

    Stfs? We nerfed your rewards by a factor of 3 and icreased the completion time by a factor of 5. Have fun.

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  • spaceeagle20spaceeagle20 Member Posts: 971 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I did only 1 hour of Japori elite with a group of friends, only one ! And then I went to play the delta rising stories one after the other… and that hour helped me to play until " Alliances " without stopping… now I got stuck at 57,5 but no problem : I am playing the missions in Kobali that I have postponed and I am confident I will hit 58 when I am done with them… so that I can continue playing the next episodes … I just hope I won't get stuck again before the final episode .
    Damn ! You want people LIKE ME to enjoy the new content ? Don't make me stop and grind skill points then !
    This is not going to hit just the people who don't give a **** about the new episodes like some DPS elitists.… This is going to hit also people LIKE ME who just want to play the episodes and enjoy THE MOVIE , without grinding breaks ! Hell, I already can't stand advertising breaks …
    Moreover this is not the way to go because this is a dictatorial way to impose the new content on players : you are kind of forcing them to play it .
    Now… I understand… but deal with it : some will play the MOVIE like me and the STB guys for example, some don't care and will just start levelling up , burn through the new content in order to get to lvl 60 , skill up, get stronger and faceroll Borg ASAP : I am sorry but this is an MMO.
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  • ussinterceptussintercept Member Posts: 627 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Agreed. Its going nowhere because they're convinced they're right no matter what anyone says. I'm walking away from this one.

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  • vesterengvestereng Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I don't think my posts qualify as one-liners, do you?
    If anything they way too long wouldn't you say

    Anyone not a developer apologist would take offense to being called one - that's why it's always a question first.

    He didn't take offense so 1+1=2

    Then in the last post I thought we'd make it clear how transparent and predictable developer apologism is, by showing the meta communication that turned into a live case study in straight up asking

    Was it just one sentence yeah it was just one sentence

    /edit

    ps. not trying to be mean but when you completely one-sided and biased accept everything the developers lay ou there you make the game worse
  • welcome2earfwelcome2earf Member Posts: 1,746 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    So, what was the actual "exploit"? Was it simply people choosing content that had a higher XP payout? If so, tough titties, PWE.

    I don't get it-it's not an exploit if people aren't franking with the game engine or whatever. Or is this a simple case of "we only want you to have XP boosts when you get them through us..."

    It just seems like they forgot to balance-pass Japori for XP payout. Too bad - but why the
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    So, what was the actual "exploit"? Was it simply people choosing content that had a higher XP payout? If so, tough titties, PWE.

    I don't get it-it's not an exploit if people aren't franking with the game engine or whatever. Or is this a simple case of "we only want you to have XP boosts when you get them through us..."

    It just seems like they forgot to balance-pass Japori for XP payout. Too bad - but why the
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I don't expect any kind of reaction from Cryptic about that one. They call it an exploit and as such it is something not to be talked about anymore. Then we once in a blue moon read a devpost stating that they were to communicate more and visit forums more if we weren't all that mean to them.

    I really don't want to be mean, but that kind of behaviour doesn't add up. We players aren't idiots, we know why things happen and why certain "modifications" are made, but if the developers think they can't be honest and only post PR messages and [REDACTED] nonsense I personally think it is understandable why players get grumpy.

    I personally wouldn't care about nerfs and trying to get players to play certain content but please, for the love of Targ, be honest about it. Say it. "We need to "fix" Japori because this is not how we designed the expansion to work. We need players to play the new sectors for extended periods of time to provide us with statisfactory metrics that justify our investions in DR's content." There. Still a lame move but nothing I personally would be grumpy about, no reason to be mean about that. But don't treat us like idiots.
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  • boosbcboosbc Member Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    So, what was the actual "exploit"? Was it simply people choosing content that had a higher XP payout? If so, tough titties, PWE.

    I don't get it-it's not an exploit if people aren't franking with the game engine or whatever. Or is this a simple case of "we only want you to have XP boosts when you get them through us..."

    It just seems like they forgot to balance-pass Japori for XP payout. Too bad - but why the
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    pulserazor wrote: »
    Has it occured to anyone that the patrol missions in the delta quadrant are just as effective as the ones in Tau Dewa?

    Has it occured to you, that it is not your call to make where ppl do their patrols?
    How good would it look for them if they could show the gaming world a brand new zone full of people playing together in groups. It wouls almost look like a healthy MMO, and it might just attract enough attention to expand the playerbase.

    They already had a healthy populated zone like that: Tau Dewa, near Japori.

    Also, forcing ppl to play your new expansion, by effectively locking/nerfing them out of other areas, that has got the be the lamest promo ever. If you want peeps to play your new expansion, make it GOOD.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I am really troubled by Cryptic having gone off the deep end, punishing people for being smart about the way they grind. I call it 'Exploit bias.' What is next?! People doing 40k+ getting nerfed, because, 'obviously', they were exploiting the system somehow!?

    I find this new trend really troublesome.

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  • gregkanegregkane Member Posts: 278 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    With the dil reward- there are quicker ways to make dil than doing 3 runs of japori for 2800 :)
  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    gregkane wrote: »
    With the dil reward- there are quicker ways to make dil than doing 3 runs of japori for 2800 :)

    Yea even more boring than that would be?
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  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    gregkane wrote: »
    With the dil reward- there are quicker ways to make dil than doing 3 runs of japori for 2800 :)

    Yep doesn't make any sense ... I guess Dyson BZ is an exploit as well ... and when Dil-Weekend hits it's probably an Uber-Exploit ...
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  • krilldarnkrilldarn Member Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I levelled my main character in Delta running the sector patrols and missions there... My concern is that i run the sector patrol in tau dewa to collect rom marks... I have 7 toons that have virtually no rom rep and now cannot get the marks from the sector patrol mission....

    Now in a space orientated game I am forced to run round tagging animals to get marks
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    simeion1 wrote: »
    Here is my two cents. Take it for what it is worth.

    If there is a true exploit then it needs to be corrected. If it is players grouping together playing a game on elite to get around missing leveling content in DR, while using mechanics that have been around since beta, SHAME ON CRYPITC.

    Things get fuzzy where Cryptic brands "players grouping together playing a game on elite to get around missing leveling content in DR" as a 'true exploit.'

    Honestly, I think Cryptic have finally gone completely mental. Peeps banding together, to accomplish goals, isn't that *exactly* what they wanted?! I even recall Geko saying, in a podcast, about R&D, that they specifically designed the system so people would have to rely on each other more. Gawd forbid, if they actually do, though. Sigh.

    For the record, I was nowhere near Tau Dewa, and haven't been for months. But kudos to those were smarter than I was about grinding their XP!
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  • metaliantmetaliant Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    So how do I get Romulan Marks now that the sector is closed? That's the only reason I do the patrols and other missions.
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  • snowpig74snowpig74 Member Posts: 267 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    transwarp to new romulus / fleet embassy & do ground?
  • boosbcboosbc Member Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    metaliant wrote: »
    So how do I get Romulan Marks now that the sector is closed? That's the only reason I do the patrols and other missions.

    well, since Azura Nebula is broken, go to new romulus.
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    metaliant wrote: »
    So how do I get Romulan Marks now that the sector is closed? That's the only reason I do the patrols and other missions.

    Bunny Tagging on New Romulus ... but 400 Marks per Bunny sounds like an exploit to me ... so not sure ...
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  • firekeeperhufirekeeperhu Member Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    major bugs are ignored in this game for weeks, months, even years!... players find a way to shorten the epic boring lvling madnes and devs be like "we have to shut it down ASAP". i'm disappointed beyond imagination.
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  • voporakvoporak Member Posts: 5,621 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Numerous bugs and broken stuff over the years in TD? Leave it alone, it'll be fixed Soon.

    People playing the game the way they want to? Oh hell no KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!
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  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Won't somebody think of poor Subcommander Mivek? Now she is out of a job.
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  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Won't somebody think of poor Subcommander Mivek? Now she is out of a job.

    That's what you get for exploiting ... ;)
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  • greyhame3greyhame3 Member Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    metaliant wrote: »
    So how do I get Romulan Marks now that the sector is closed? That's the only reason I do the patrols and other missions.
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  • captainkeatzcaptainkeatz Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Have to agree with some people here:

    Same response time for other bugs would be grand.
  • tarastheslayertarastheslayer Member Posts: 1,541 Bug Hunter
    edited October 2014
    Won't somebody think of poor Subcommander Mivek? Now she is out of a job.

    She's welcome to join my crew :)

    But honestly, the hell do they think they're doing? I mean if they stop it here all it is going to do is move it somewhere else, and so does the cycle continue? They don't listen to any feedback we gave on Tribble, release it full of bugs and issues that aren't addressed and then proceed to do nothing except fix these supposed 'exploits'.

    The only reason I kept testing was because I hoped to make a difference, but if this keeps up I'm going to have to seriously wonder how long the game will realistically last for...
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  • artfulmerkageartfulmerkage Member Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    So do it in another sector. Never paid any attention to patrols before, but the Tau Dewa ones can't be the only 'patrols' that are 'kill 5 ways of mooks.'

    Perhaps Cryptic will block off access to all patrol maps so we cannot leave the homeworlds.
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