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Treaty of Algeron BROKEN!
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Can we go to war with the UFP Now? Or at least use it to push for concessions? Maybe unilateral action by RR and KDF against the UFP? We could use more worlds I think. :P
THREE Federation ship with built in cloaking technology! this is a clear violation of the Treaty of Algeron, which STO's own lore upheld even after the Hobus incident.
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to say nothing of the blatant fed bias that the devs continue to revel in. >.<
THREE Federation ship with built in cloaking technology! this is a clear violation of the Treaty of Algeron, which STO's own lore upheld even after the Hobus incident.
The elected President of the United Federation of Planets, Aennik Okeg, proclaimed that the UFP and Starfleet are still bound to the contents of that treaty and all efforts concerning the research and/or developing of cloaking technology have been banned within the UFP (The Path to 2409: Volume 16, Chapter 2)
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to say nothing of the blatant fed bias that the devs continue to revel in. >.<
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Alternately, I'm sure the Empress will get right on that.
Alternately, You believed a politician's promise?
Alternately, Waaaaaaaaah
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
Talk about uniformed dribble....
The treaty was for only the Alpha Quadrant..
The Treaty is with the RSE not the RR you are part of the RR...
RSE openly attacked the Federation after Sela took over.. voiding the Treaty..
Maybe learn a little about the lore before making blanket wrong statements
<sigh. Coming to a Lockboc/Reward Pack/ Bundle/Season near you ... The Valdore Console ... It's about all we have left ...
yes it does... did you click on the link..
Feds are all reg. cloaks
KDF gets a battle cruiser with a battle cloak
Romulans on one of there ships get a "Rumulain enhanced battle cloak" what ever that is.
there is no Treaty../facepalm
As I stated above..
Thats a T5 TVaro/Brel style cloak
Can fire torps/drop mines while cloaked.
We still live!!!!! Hahahahahahahahaa! We live and we will conquer!!!!! Hahahahahaaha!
-Roach, when asked about Klingon extinction!
they resigned/made new one saying they wouldn't... we see what that is worth.
*insert shameless plug imploring romulans to switch to supporting the kdf*
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
you mean this STO based lore numbnuts?
however states that the elected president of the United Federation of Planets, Aennik Okeg, proclaimed that the UFP and Starfleet are still bound to the contents of that treaty and all efforts concerning the research and/or developing of cloaking technology have been banned within the UFP (The Path to 2409: Volume 16, Chapter 2)
This statement was a reaction to the exposed illegal attempts of Starfleet Security to develop cloaking technology of their own when the USS Kelso, fitted with a prototype cloaking device, was lost with all hands on Stardate 72487.91 due to a critical malfunction (The Path to 2409: Volume 16, Chapter 1)
its right there for ya, AFTER Hobus blew Romulus to hell, the federation itself decided to keep the treaty
The Federation is incredibly excuses. RR is the successor of the RSE , so the trety should still be in force. But times have passed away and no one TNG does not comply with the agreement , it started using a cloak in Alpha Q.
The Federation uses of biological and chemical weapons of mass destruction (theta vent radiation and thalaron wave). Federation citizens are intimidated by the government and thus enabled the construction of these ships. Federation starships penetrate into the liquid space and masked there waiting for someone to destroy. Armament industry is booming . Federation starships advance to the Delta Q. masked and attacking any ship alien species they encounter. It should be more arming . Federation citizens are kept in the dark or they narrated that it is necessary.
No longer believe that Starfleet officers are the good guys of the galaxy. What promised Federation president is no loger trusted anymore. It appointed a new military commander who has unlimited powers to use weapons of mass destruction. The Federation is quietly and in the name of defensive war in the distant Quadrant, and the threat of terrorist infiltration and she is reformed in a police state.
...and then began producing Defiants and Galaxy-Xs with cloaking devices roughly 14 years later. The Federation broke the treaty last year (game time) so this is not news. As stated, this was a treaty with the Romulan Star Empire, not the Republic, so perhaps the Federation felt that they could get away with it due to Sela's disappearance, or the fact that she at least let Hakeev sell out the rest of the galaxy to the Iconians,constituted a nullification of the treaty to them. Note that those Federation ships that use cloak all require a level beyond when you can do the Cloaked Intentions FE series.
Romulan Republic and Romulan Star Empire coexist, so no, the Republic is not the "successor state" to the Romulan Star Empire. It's a breakaway nation. It's the Republic and the RSE that are using Thalaron weapons, not the Federation, and the Nausicaans developed the Theta Radiation Vents, but Federation can use them. In all honesty, everyone's violating all kinds of supposed rules when it comes to consoles, so that's basically a wash, since everyone turns a blind eye. We also see nothing about any "police state" or intimidation of citizens in the Federation. Bajorans are allowed to protest, so long as they don't attack Starfleet officers, who can only stun them for doing so, I might add.
Peace was a mistake! I say we renew the war on the feddy bears!
I for one was disgusted at the idea of peace with the thieving federation!
And it is a little bit strange to argue the treaty was only made with the RSE - at least the Fed should started new talks with the RR and the Empire and the Imperial Remnants before simply starting research (did they do that?).
But perhaps all this treacherous behavior could end in a greater good. If the Klingons and the Romulans both inside and outside the RR find out who is indeed trying to change the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant and beyond and join forces to counter that, it could perhaps bringing some benefits (and helping to end the civil war between the Romulans). In the end there may be again neutral zones and two Empires who have at least one thing in common - a greater enemy, the human dominated Federation.
I probably missed 1-2 ranting posts because i had to go and grab some popcorn.
What about Thalaron weapons and Bio weapons or Subspace weapons? Isnt all that stuff prohibited too???
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The treaty prohibited the developement and use of cloaking technology by Feds, no matter which quadrant. Wouldn't have made much sense otherwise either, considering both the Klingons and the Romulans have territory in the Beta quadrant, which would be exempt to the treaty by your definition.
Scource?
Who says the restrictions of the treaty don't apply to both the RSE and the RR? There are tons of examples, where treaties, declarations and memberships in various organizations were directly carried over by states after they split up and/or joined to create a new state. Any scource that the Federation doesn't consider the RR to be a successor to the old RSE?
Precisely.
As far as we Romulans keep the edge in the cloaking technology, no problem for me: all the great consoles that improve cloak are all Romulans, in the fiction of the game.
The only event that needs to be shown is a little part of the introduction of Delta Rising when this point is clarified, with antecedent talks quoted and an ufficial authorization like the one made for the Defiant spoken from D'Tan or Kaol.
Then we could take this beyond: is the storyline of DR consistent with this or not?
The Dominion had sensors that made the cloak useless, but the new enemies of this new expansion can do the same?
Maybe having just the scout/reconnaissance ships of the Allies cloaked its instrumental to some strategy we don't know nothing of, yet: we Republic Romulans have counted ships, at least in the immediate.
1)Both the RR and Sela's Empire are the sucessors.
2)If my ally or mercenary using any forbidden technology (btw forbidden by myself) than it is like I used it myself
3) "everyone's violating all kinds of supposed" - This is probably true , but again, the one who creates the rules and forcing the other to comply , so he have to not violate those rules.
4) "Bajorans are allowed to protest" yes , but as it validly to them?
Overall, Cryptic heard the cry of the federation players and instead of better sensors gave them a cloaking device. The Treaty of Algeron was broken and a brief period of peace ended and the war is back! D'Tan will be deposed and his place restored Obisek with a plan to ally with KDF to install a weapons of mass destruction on every Romulan and Klingon ship. Thalaron Waves , Theta radiations and Metreon Cascade.
Around the world begin to destroy more than it could crystalline entity or the Borg. And that's what would happen when they are the treaties broken .
Please don't tell the Feds there are better cloaks they campaigned for four years to get this far. Give us as much time as possible before they start wanting Battle Cloak and Enhanced Battle Cloak. Heck they already want their cloak to be Phase Cloaking with 100% Immunity while using it and no clipping.
To anyone else talking about the treaty. The Path to 2409 voided the Treaty. The Treaty is completely gone. The President of the Federation issued an Executive Order to uphold the spirit of the treaty. Obviously that order is now gone.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
^^^ This, in a nuthshell, unfortunately.
Cryptic doesn't give a f**k about lore, it's all about the $$$.
Bring your best... I will probably have finished my coffee by the time your Scim brings its slow butt anywhere near my ship...
The Fed have the tech to make Cloak, battle Cloak and the Phase Cloak (USS Pegasus in 2358). But we do not official permission to instal these on Fed ships. May not be as good as the Romulians but we do have The Tech and i do may pay for it.
The "realpolitik" compromise is therefore to note that the half-dozen Federation ships which can cloak are its most overtly militaristic:
- The no-frills-warship Tactical Escort
- The Feds' only Battlecruiser, the Avenger
- The Feds' only (playable) dreadnought, the Galaxy Dread.
- The three "black ops" Intel starships from DR.
Significantly, the non-Intel Guardian class does *not* have a cloak, which suggests that something of Starfleet's old ideology survives.
So yeah, the Federation *has* broken the treaty, but on a small scale and to a degree that does not tarnish their general reputation.
On all four current Fed-Cloak feds you constantly manage to spell C-L-O-A-K wrong - just how do you persist spelling a word wrong on purpose for 4 or more threads.
Hear hear. Listen to shpoks.
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