The Fed have the tech to make clock, battle clock and the Phase Clock(USS Pegasus in 2358). But we do not official permission to instal these on Fed ships. May not be as good as the Romulians but we do have The Tech and i do may pay for it.
The word is Cloak with an A, the word Clock means a device that tells time. Nobody is talking about Clocking Technology here. Once is a Typo every time you comment on this you say the word Clock.
The Feds do not have the technology to make Battle Cloak, they have no ships with Battle Cloak. The burden of proof is on you. But I'm sure they'll start crying for it in October or sooner.
The Feds do not have the technology to make Phase Cloak work, because it blows out Plasma relays if you use it for too long. So prove me wrong, a failed experiment certainly doesn't.
To quote Memory Alpha
In 2358, the Pegasus was commanded by Captain Erik Pressman, and included Ensign William T. Riker, on his first assignment out of the Academy. In that year, the Pegasus was assigned to conduct a test of a phasing cloaking device, in direct violation of the Treaty of Algeron. During the test, an explosion occurred in main engineering, resulting in heavy casualties. Several members of the crew, including the first officer and chief engineer, mutinied in an attempt to shut down the illegal test. Pressman, Riker, and seven other crewmembers fled the ship in an escape pod. Not long after departing, they witnessed a large explosion in space. No wreckage was found, and the vessel was believed to have been destroyed by a warp core breach. In fact, the Pegasus was not destroyed but rather drifted in phased-cloak form until it re-materialized inside asteroid gamma 601, half of it in solid rock, in the Devolin system.
That does not sound like they got it to work, I would not be comfortable commanding a ship where using the Cloaking Device caused it to have catastrophic errors.
I was once DKnight1000, apparently I had taken my own name so now I'm DKnight0001. If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why. When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Can we go to war with the UFP Now? Or at least use it to push for concessions? Maybe unilateral action by RR and KDF against the UFP? We could use more worlds I think. :P
Were mates now with KDFf and part of RR so lets tango.... after we beat you into the ground, we will get phase-shift battle-cloaks... on all fed-ships !!!
Let me see. Way of the Warrior, Sisko orders Defiant to the Cardassian/Klingon front to rescue the Detapa Council. Activates cloak. Chief medical officer reminds him "Using the cloak in the alpha quadrant is a violaion of the treaty with the Romulans." Sisko's reply. "Well, I won't tell the Romulans if you don't."
Treaty has a positional loophole that has a precedent of a commanding officer creating exceptions with no notable backlash.
Or to paraphrase the Federation diplomatic corps. "We are altering the treaty. Pray we do not alter it any further."
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Let me see. Way of the Warrior, Sisko orders Defiant to the Cardassian/Klingon front to rescue the Detapa Council. Activates cloak. Chief medical officer reminds him "Using the cloak in the alpha quadrant is a violaion of the treaty with the Romulans." Sisko's reply. "Well, I won't tell the Romulans if you don't."
Treaty has a positional loophole that has a precedent of a commanding officer creating exceptions with no notable backlash.
Or to paraphrase the Federation diplomatic corps. "We are altering the treaty. Pray we do not alter it any further."
Hence why the Romulan Officer who was supposed to be on the Defiant was dropped ASAP.
not as much rp as I would have liked but still. Certainly lively.
Im well aware craptic has long since given up on lore or even good game design(T-Rex with laz0rz!) but really if they're gonna **** a treaty they bothered to both mention AND uphold in their own fiction. They should at least come up with a hamfisted RP to explain sodomizing it quite this blatantly
This has been a long time coming. So many PvE heroes have been begging for this for years, I'm kind of surprised it took Cryptic this long to cash in on it. Just be glad it's not a battlecloak. On a side note, I have to agree with those that say the Treaty of Algeron has been made null and void by this point.
a treaty they bothered to both mention AND uphold in their own fiction.
You are wrong. Repeatedly so.
What Volume 16, Chapter 2 actually says:
After the revelation that Starfleet was testing a cloaking device, tensions between the Federation, Romulans and Klingons were at their highest point since the destruction of the Romulan homeworld in 2387. After a full inquiry, six members of Starfleet Security were court-martialed.
It took three months for Federation President Aennik Okeg to convince the Romulans and the Klingons to send representatives to a summit to discuss the situation. When the meeting finally began, Okeg made the Federation's position clear. He apologized for the experiments into cloaking technology, and said that he had signed an executive order banning all research into or creation of Federation cloaking technology.
"The narrow legal view may be that the Treaty of Algeron ended when Romulus was destroyed," Okeg said. "The Romulan Star Empire we knew is gone, and you are a new people. What has not changed is the Federation's commitment to peace."
The lore explicitly states that The Treaty of Algeron legally ceased to exist when Romulus was destroyed. A non-existent treaty cannot be violated.
Separate from that, Okeg signed an executive order banning research into cloaking technology to smooth over relations with the Romulans and the Klingons.
On all four current Fed-Cloak feds you constantly manage to spell C-L-O-A-K wrong - just how do you persist spelling a word wrong on purpose for 4 or more threads.
Well when you can to refute argomenta attacking the one who wrote it.
sophlogimo: Speaking about loyal Romulans...I think beeing loyal for Romulans should and surely does mean loyal to the Empire or perhaps the idea of the Republic (however what that mean) or to the people (Senate and People of Romulos or New Romulos). NOT under all conditions beeing loyal to a self-proclaimed (or only "elected" by hard-core unificationsist and republicans) leader who sell out the interests of the Romulans to their enemies, while he still waging war against fellow Romulans. Or I think at least that will the point of view of many Romulans be. D'Tan with his treacherous treaties could do nothing more to proof his enemies right which call him a puppet of the Vulcans and the Federation.
I'm disappointed, for sure. First thing I thought when I saw the new ship details, was "aw... c'mon!"
The Path to 2409 series gives a fair, unfortunate loophole. A Fed President signed a temporary order to appease the Romulans and Klingons. But the Federation went to war with the Klingons, and the Romulans weren't a threat anymore for many years - the exec order was clearly shelved. And it's clear that the Feds feel the Treaty of Algeron is gone at this point.
That said, there's a precedent for allowing the Feds to use a cloak for recon. The Romulans allowed the USS Defiant to use a cloak for Gamma Quadrant recon. It seems that now, the Republic is allowing the Feds to use a cloak again, for Delta Quadrant recon.
My theory on why 3 new ship classes get across-the-board cloaking abilities is because the Republic is actively engaged in Delta recon (the RSE wasn't as involved in Gamma recon, at first). If the Feds and Republic are going in with the KDF as an allied force, then it unfortunately makes sense for us to relax our opposition to Starfleet's use of cloaks for this theatre.
'Cause we all know how well Starfleet admirals from the TV series and movies do things on their own... At least if they're cloaked, Republic admirals can make sure that Starfleet doesn't do anything silly
I think a lot of Romulans will disagree for simple reasons. The more the Fed is using cloaked ships, the more they learn about the tactical circumstances, how they could use such ships more and more effective. This would made it much more easy to operate in such ships in the Alpha- and Beta-Quadrant too and to counter enemies who used cloaked ships (it seems very easy to believe that on some point in the future Fed will be again at war with Romulans and Klingons - the "discussion" about the use of the spheres/gateways already was at some point near to becoming violent). Only very stupid fools - many Romulans (and Klingons) will say - will not have the possibility of future conflicts in mind. What may explain why D'Tan did not show at least a LITTLE BIT of true Romulan blood in his heart and gave a hard answer to that breach of treaty...:D
And of course from the perspective of many Romulans and Klingons there is no need to help Star Fleet to reduce its losses. If Star Fleet fights against common enemies of the Federation, the Klingons and the Romulans, many people of the Romulans and Klingons will add any lost Star Fleet Ship and any destroyed hostile ship and see the result as a netto gain for their nations...;)
My admiral very likely would do so...:D
This way they can watch and not create a problem... like in the TNG ep "First Contact" where the cloak fails and they end up thinking Picard is a god... wait bad example.
In fact the whole spying on races never ended up being a good thing at all. But least face it if Voyager had a cloak it wouldn't have half the troubles it did. And then Delta rising would only had half the stories and aliens it does now. Writes do this kinda stuff for a reason because what seems like common sense means a bad story as their is less drama.
Fact of the matter is the treaty was with the RSE. Politics changes every day. What was no one problem one day ends up crossing the board and drags people and counties in. The RSE attacked both the KDF and SF. Your telling me their going to honor that treaty?
Wow so many idiots. Its like they think their faction choice truly matters, that they matter, when really they're just looking for an excuse to be rude to people and pick fights. How laughably pathetic. I honestly wonder what its going to take for people to get over such stupidity.
I'm not that upset about the cloaking, but the fact that the cloak is integrated makes the cloaking device console even more irrelevant. As has been pointed out before, the Federation's obligation to the treaty is questionable at best, since they are in a state of war with the folks they signed the treaty with.
I imagine that the Republic could have negotiated to keep that tech out of the Federation's hands, but they didn't. Heck, the T5 power for the Republic reputation is even a cloak. The Republic probably didn't want to take the chance that the Federation would demand that they stop using Thalaron weapons in return. So blame D'Tan there.
I'm more worried that these new stealth ships are all Section 31. Section 31 operating openly at the forefront of the events of Delta Rising?-not going to look good in the eyes of anyone sane, federation or otherwise.
This way they can watch and not create a problem... like in the TNG ep "First Contact" where the cloak fails and they end up thinking Picard is a god... wait bad example.
In fact the whole spying on races never ended up being a good thing at all. But least face it if Voyager had a cloak it wouldn't have half the troubles it did. And then Delta rising would only had half the stories and aliens it does now. Writes do this kinda stuff for a reason because what seems like common sense means a bad story as their is less drama.
Fact of the matter is the treaty was with the RSE. Politics changes every day. What was no one problem one day ends up crossing the board and drags people and counties in. The RSE attacked both the KDF and SF. Your telling me their going to honor that treaty?
That spying is very common , it was not only in one episode btw. Mintakans, Ba'ku , that planet from which Riker escaped in exchange for sex (male prostitute?). Obviously many writers violate the Prime Directive because of that they could have a story. Voyager was in delta quadrant not only for travel to home but mainly for the exploration and make a contacts with delta q. species.
And say me, where exactly the RSE attacked KDF and Fed? In the Path to 2409, it says that it was just KDF who massively attacked the RSE in 2391 (and lost). Between RSE and Starfleet ships was not any problem except constantly distortion of RSE space.
however states that the elected president of the United Federation of Planets, Aennik Okeg, proclaimed that the UFP and Starfleet are still bound to the contents of that treaty and all efforts concerning the research and/or developing of cloaking technology have been banned within the UFP (The Path to 2409: Volume 16, Chapter 2)
This statement was a reaction to the exposed illegal attempts of Starfleet Security to develop cloaking technology of their own when the USS Kelso, fitted with a prototype cloaking device, was lost with all hands on Stardate 72487.91 due to a critical malfunction (The Path to 2409: Volume 16, Chapter 1)
its right there for ya, AFTER Hobus blew Romulus to hell, the federation itself decided to keep the treaty
..not this stupid argument again...
For one the Treaty is over even by Okegs own words. the order was given to maintain peace. The RSC attacked the Federation. That voids the treaty even if it was there.. the Treaty was only bound the Alpha Quadrant..
A executive order can be rescinded. there is no "treaty" binding the Federation. A executive order is a internal matter not a treaty. So the Federation never broke the treaty. When the new RSE was formed no formal diplomatic ties were formed after Sela and the Tal'shiar took power. This new form of RSE government would of had to resign the treaty and that would mean a vote by the Federation counsel and that never happened as well as this new government attacked the Federation.
The RR have no treaty about cloaks with the Federation as well..
So no the treaty was not broken...
The only thing that you could say is the executive order was and that's stretching it. It's pretty obvious that that order is no longer valid. the only thing you do not have is the when and why that executive order was removed.
sophlogimo: Speaking about loyal Romulans...I think beeing loyal for Romulans should and surely does mean loyal to the Empire or perhaps the idea of the Republic (however what that mean) or to the people (Senate and People of Romulos or New Romulos). NOT under all conditions beeing loyal to a self-proclaimed (or only "elected" by hard-core unificationsist and republicans) leader who sell out the interests of the Romulans to their enemies, while he still waging war against fellow Romulans. Or I think at least that will the point of view of many Romulans be. D'Tan with his treacherous treaties could do nothing more to proof his enemies right which call him a puppet of the Vulcans and the Federation.
As opposed to said enemies aka the group of self serving traitors calling them selves the Romulan Star Empire who have allied with forces seeking the total extermination of the Romulan people for scraps of power, and who also sold out the entire quadrant for the reason as well.
Yeah i think I'll take the Unificationist who isn't trying to exterminate his own people so he can be the Iconians loyal lapdog thank you very much.
i find it funny that all u romulans are crying yes i have a romulan toon and a kdf toon don't see me complaining again the treaty said they are not allowed to DEVELOP the tech nothing said they developed the tech for the cloaks on those ships whose to say they did not get the tech from the kdf or the roms with the jenolan treaty peacetalks geesh u all blow things out of proportions and lets remember it's not the feds we can not trust but the lieing romulans as has been stated in the romulan story line with our years of lies and decieveing.
Best way to look at this game and the fact of cloaks is that how the game is developed since those pre-f2p days where it was upheld. The game is moving to where the alpha quadrant is basically an alliance and not a fractured collection of factions. So this alliance so to speak is moving onto the delta quadrant with the expansion so its basically going to be a larger federation eventually moving into cloaks and such. Although I don't play fed side as much as kdf I would like to see that T6 defiantish looking one have a battle cloak to alteast try to play it canon lol.
I do like the idea too of the KDF getting a battle cruiser with a battle cloak too so its not all that bad I just hope the making our current gear obsolete isn't going to be the butt hurt I am imagining it to be.
Can we go to war with the UFP Now? Or at least use it to push for concessions? Maybe unilateral action by RR and KDF against the UFP? We could use more worlds I think. :P
Let them have cloak on their super fuggly section 31 ships...I would say maybe it would keep them quiet for a while but I'm sure if they haven't started already there will soon be threads asking for battle cloak on them.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
Anyway, even if it is, chances are the Romulans allowed the feds to use it as part of intelligence gathering.
Hah.
RR: Are you guys going to scout out that new threat?
UFP: The risks are too high, cloak capable ships are needed. You guys go gather intel for the alliance.
RR: Speaking of the alliance, have some cloaks!
UFP: Thanks, now we have cloak-capable ships!
RR: So... are you guys going to scout out that new threat?
RR: Are you guys going to scout out that new threat?
UFP: The risks are too high, cloak capable ships are needed. You guys go gather intel for the alliance.
RR: Speaking of the alliance, have some cloaks!
UFP: Thanks, now we have cloak-capable ships!
RR: So... are you guys going to scout out that new threat?
yeah, that sounds like something the romulans would do...make someone else do all the dangerous work, even if it means having to give them cloak in the process
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Let them have cloak on their super fuggly section 31 ships...I would say maybe it would keep them quiet for a while but I'm sure if they haven't started already there will soon be threads asking for battle cloak on them.
I hope we can get a ship from the lock box for a black op for the Fed section 31, KDF Klingon Intelligent and one for the Romulan we do have a Tal Shiar ships so some other ships for them.
The Theme of the new ship seams to be Intelligences so fits whit it :cool:
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Just a thought but through the romulan story arcs it was mentioned in one or three places that both sides of the conflict would want Romulan technology/cloaking technology. So this may also be part of the trade for building New Romulus.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
First, some people need to get their heads out of RP mode, the sub forum for that is 5 levels up. My ship can already be equipped with Borg, Romulan, Breen, Dominion, Voth, Undine, Tholian, Hirogen and a whole host of alien tech, but an innate cloak on a Starfleet ship is suddenly an outrage? Oh, look at me, I'm crossing the Neutral Zone! And I find it hard to believe some of you are that into it you'd side with people who are selling off their own people as livestock, or have you not played "Devil's Choice?"
Secondly, if the threat scares the pants off everyone, no one is going to care about a 90 year old treaty made with a now collapsing government. We are jumping head first into the home turf of the Borg and Voth, not to mention the area the Undine have been working in for the last 40 years.
These ships are deep space intelligence gathering explorers designed for use in a dangerous and volatile part of space. Even prior to surface tension, the KDF recognized that the LAST thing they wanted is the Borg to gain even as much as a toe-hold in Federation space, because it would be a danger to them as well.
If a KDF captain goes into Sirius Borg encounter (or at least prior to S9, I haven't done one in months) they can ask why the should help the Federation. The NPC's retort boils down to "It's the FREAKING BORG! They need to be stopped, period, end of story!"
Everywhere I look, people are screaming about how bad Cryptic is.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
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The word is Cloak with an A, the word Clock means a device that tells time. Nobody is talking about Clocking Technology here. Once is a Typo every time you comment on this you say the word Clock.
The Feds do not have the technology to make Battle Cloak, they have no ships with Battle Cloak. The burden of proof is on you. But I'm sure they'll start crying for it in October or sooner.
The Feds do not have the technology to make Phase Cloak work, because it blows out Plasma relays if you use it for too long. So prove me wrong, a failed experiment certainly doesn't.
To quote Memory Alpha
In 2358, the Pegasus was commanded by Captain Erik Pressman, and included Ensign William T. Riker, on his first assignment out of the Academy. In that year, the Pegasus was assigned to conduct a test of a phasing cloaking device, in direct violation of the Treaty of Algeron. During the test, an explosion occurred in main engineering, resulting in heavy casualties. Several members of the crew, including the first officer and chief engineer, mutinied in an attempt to shut down the illegal test. Pressman, Riker, and seven other crewmembers fled the ship in an escape pod. Not long after departing, they witnessed a large explosion in space. No wreckage was found, and the vessel was believed to have been destroyed by a warp core breach. In fact, the Pegasus was not destroyed but rather drifted in phased-cloak form until it re-materialized inside asteroid gamma 601, half of it in solid rock, in the Devolin system.
That does not sound like they got it to work, I would not be comfortable commanding a ship where using the Cloaking Device caused it to have catastrophic errors.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Were mates now with KDFf and part of RR so lets tango.... after we beat you into the ground, we will get phase-shift battle-cloaks... on all fed-ships !!!
Treaty has a positional loophole that has a precedent of a commanding officer creating exceptions with no notable backlash.
Or to paraphrase the Federation diplomatic corps. "We are altering the treaty. Pray we do not alter it any further."
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Hence why the Romulan Officer who was supposed to be on the Defiant was dropped ASAP.
Im well aware craptic has long since given up on lore or even good game design(T-Rex with laz0rz!) but really if they're gonna **** a treaty they bothered to both mention AND uphold in their own fiction. They should at least come up with a hamfisted RP to explain sodomizing it quite this blatantly
This has been a long time coming. So many PvE heroes have been begging for this for years, I'm kind of surprised it took Cryptic this long to cash in on it. Just be glad it's not a battlecloak. On a side note, I have to agree with those that say the Treaty of Algeron has been made null and void by this point.
You are wrong. Repeatedly so.
What Volume 16, Chapter 2 actually says:
The lore explicitly states that The Treaty of Algeron legally ceased to exist when Romulus was destroyed. A non-existent treaty cannot be violated.
Separate from that, Okeg signed an executive order banning research into cloaking technology to smooth over relations with the Romulans and the Klingons.
Why bother, you and your Fed-cloak desiring ilk are what ruins STO, and you should just be ignored like the trolls you are.
The Path to 2409 series gives a fair, unfortunate loophole. A Fed President signed a temporary order to appease the Romulans and Klingons. But the Federation went to war with the Klingons, and the Romulans weren't a threat anymore for many years - the exec order was clearly shelved. And it's clear that the Feds feel the Treaty of Algeron is gone at this point.
That said, there's a precedent for allowing the Feds to use a cloak for recon. The Romulans allowed the USS Defiant to use a cloak for Gamma Quadrant recon. It seems that now, the Republic is allowing the Feds to use a cloak again, for Delta Quadrant recon.
My theory on why 3 new ship classes get across-the-board cloaking abilities is because the Republic is actively engaged in Delta recon (the RSE wasn't as involved in Gamma recon, at first). If the Feds and Republic are going in with the KDF as an allied force, then it unfortunately makes sense for us to relax our opposition to Starfleet's use of cloaks for this theatre.
'Cause we all know how well Starfleet admirals from the TV series and movies do things on their own... At least if they're cloaked, Republic admirals can make sure that Starfleet doesn't do anything silly
And of course from the perspective of many Romulans and Klingons there is no need to help Star Fleet to reduce its losses. If Star Fleet fights against common enemies of the Federation, the Klingons and the Romulans, many people of the Romulans and Klingons will add any lost Star Fleet Ship and any destroyed hostile ship and see the result as a netto gain for their nations...;)
My admiral very likely would do so...:D
This way they can watch and not create a problem... like in the TNG ep "First Contact" where the cloak fails and they end up thinking Picard is a god... wait bad example.
In fact the whole spying on races never ended up being a good thing at all. But least face it if Voyager had a cloak it wouldn't have half the troubles it did. And then Delta rising would only had half the stories and aliens it does now. Writes do this kinda stuff for a reason because what seems like common sense means a bad story as their is less drama.
Fact of the matter is the treaty was with the RSE. Politics changes every day. What was no one problem one day ends up crossing the board and drags people and counties in. The RSE attacked both the KDF and SF. Your telling me their going to honor that treaty?
I imagine that the Republic could have negotiated to keep that tech out of the Federation's hands, but they didn't. Heck, the T5 power for the Republic reputation is even a cloak. The Republic probably didn't want to take the chance that the Federation would demand that they stop using Thalaron weapons in return. So blame D'Tan there.
I'm more worried that these new stealth ships are all Section 31. Section 31 operating openly at the forefront of the events of Delta Rising?-not going to look good in the eyes of anyone sane, federation or otherwise.
That spying is very common , it was not only in one episode btw. Mintakans, Ba'ku , that planet from which Riker escaped in exchange for sex (male prostitute?). Obviously many writers violate the Prime Directive because of that they could have a story. Voyager was in delta quadrant not only for travel to home but mainly for the exploration and make a contacts with delta q. species.
And say me, where exactly the RSE attacked KDF and Fed? In the Path to 2409, it says that it was just KDF who massively attacked the RSE in 2391 (and lost). Between RSE and Starfleet ships was not any problem except constantly distortion of RSE space.
..not this stupid argument again...
For one the Treaty is over even by Okegs own words. the order was given to maintain peace. The RSC attacked the Federation. That voids the treaty even if it was there.. the Treaty was only bound the Alpha Quadrant..
A executive order can be rescinded. there is no "treaty" binding the Federation. A executive order is a internal matter not a treaty. So the Federation never broke the treaty. When the new RSE was formed no formal diplomatic ties were formed after Sela and the Tal'shiar took power. This new form of RSE government would of had to resign the treaty and that would mean a vote by the Federation counsel and that never happened as well as this new government attacked the Federation.
The RR have no treaty about cloaks with the Federation as well..
So no the treaty was not broken...
The only thing that you could say is the executive order was and that's stretching it. It's pretty obvious that that order is no longer valid. the only thing you do not have is the when and why that executive order was removed.
As opposed to said enemies aka the group of self serving traitors calling them selves the Romulan Star Empire who have allied with forces seeking the total extermination of the Romulan people for scraps of power, and who also sold out the entire quadrant for the reason as well.
Yeah i think I'll take the Unificationist who isn't trying to exterminate his own people so he can be the Iconians loyal lapdog thank you very much.
I do like the idea too of the KDF getting a battle cruiser with a battle cloak too so its not all that bad I just hope the making our current gear obsolete isn't going to be the butt hurt I am imagining it to be.
Treaties have end dates. Even stupid ones.
You still have Battlecloak. Relax.
That one is so stupid, he lost a Rock/Paper/Scissors game to a Pony.
Anyway, even if it is, chances are the Romulans allowed the feds to use it as part of intelligence gathering.
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Hah.
RR: Are you guys going to scout out that new threat?
UFP: The risks are too high, cloak capable ships are needed. You guys go gather intel for the alliance.
RR: Speaking of the alliance, have some cloaks!
UFP: Thanks, now we have cloak-capable ships!
RR: So... are you guys going to scout out that new threat?
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I hope we can get a ship from the lock box for a black op for the Fed section 31, KDF Klingon Intelligent and one for the Romulan we do have a Tal Shiar ships so some other ships for them.
The Theme of the new ship seams to be Intelligences so fits whit it :cool:
This ship are officially illegal so you can put some sub-space weapons (space nukes) Star Trek - Insurrection 1998
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Secondly, if the threat scares the pants off everyone, no one is going to care about a 90 year old treaty made with a now collapsing government. We are jumping head first into the home turf of the Borg and Voth, not to mention the area the Undine have been working in for the last 40 years.
These ships are deep space intelligence gathering explorers designed for use in a dangerous and volatile part of space. Even prior to surface tension, the KDF recognized that the LAST thing they wanted is the Borg to gain even as much as a toe-hold in Federation space, because it would be a danger to them as well.
If a KDF captain goes into Sirius Borg encounter (or at least prior to S9, I haven't done one in months) they can ask why the should help the Federation. The NPC's retort boils down to "It's the FREAKING BORG! They need to be stopped, period, end of story!"
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