ya know what would be awesome... if we could have a few threads that didnt devolve due to caedicius or protogoth or others and their need to make almost all threads about the same damned thing.
it'd also be kinda cool if people didnt just randomly post in a thread and say the same things that have been said on the first 3 or so pages but I know reading is too hard for 99% of forum users
What would be even more awesome would be if you had said this at any time prior to page 19 when the thread got necroed, or more awesome yet would be if you had said it about Heckle continually repeating things he had stated in this very thread earlier (indeed, I believe he said the same thing on page 20 that he said on page 1). It's less awesome that you waited for supporters of the Republic to come along and explain the facts of life -- again -- to Heckle, who has already demonstrated clearly that he has no regard for any sort of facts which do not serve his efforts to portray the Tal'Shiar as poor, unfortunate, mistreated victims. You guys who love the Star Empire so much could police your own, after all.
Jedi mind tricks don't work in the Star Trek universe, Emperor. :P
The only people the Jedi need to use their mind tricks on are the ones like Caedicius, who ignore both the Truth and Common Sense while they dance naked on the table in front of them.
while they dance naked on the table in front of them.
Naked dancing? I heard someone say naked Dancing. Amon is ready for the Rumarie.
More seriously, I have to concur the conclusion that the treaty no longer applies, as it was
established with the RSE, which is now defunct, and whatever scraps of it which
survive are at war with the Federation.
I was not made aware the Treaty of Algeron had been broken. That treaty was made with the Romulan Star Empire, which crumbled and splintered into the Tal'Shiar, the Romulan Sad Empire, and the Romulan Republic. The way I see it, the treaty was void and dissolved, and the restrictions on cloaking devices for the Federation robs the Federation of a distinct tactical advantage, as Sisko said about the USS Defiant.
Actually the Federation President said pretty much the same thing in the Path to 2409 stuff. He declared the treaty void while promising to follow it anyways, at least for the moment. (This proclamation came before any of the in-game events.)
The only people the Jedi need to use their mind tricks on are the ones like Caedicius, who ignore both the Truth and Common Sense while they dance naked on the table in front of them.
If you can't keep your mind out of the gutter go back to Drozana.
Devs please for the love of all that's sacred lock this Necro happy thread.
Devs please for the love of all that's sacred lock this Necro happy thread.
This thread has been resurrected. It's been going strong for 4 pages, and doesn't look to be stopping. I would advise tilting at more important windmills.
What would be even more awesome would be if you had said this at any time prior to page 19 when the thread got necroed, or more awesome yet would be if you had said it about Heckle continually repeating things he had stated in this very thread earlier (indeed, I believe he said the same thing on page 20 that he said on page 1). It's less awesome that you waited for supporters of the Republic to come along and explain the facts of life -- again -- to Heckle, who has already demonstrated clearly that he has no regard for any sort of facts which do not serve his efforts to portray the Tal'Shiar as poor, unfortunate, mistreated victims. You guys who love the Star Empire so much could police your own, after all.
I gave up on this thread long ago, and tried to shut it back down immediately when someone necro'd it.
Mostly my original intent was a bit of in character RP raging at the bull cryptic is pulling by making the federation the be all faction, ignoring the other 2 fractions, and removing any sense of uniqueness those other 2 fractions might have.
Aside from a brief tangent where I bitched about the fed cruisers and sci ships being allowed cannons and a dumbass trying to twist my statement into being tied to the treaty, I pretty much stuck with my original intent. Now its just devolved into the same **** we can see in like 6 other threads, mostly between you, protogoth, and caedicius. You two do love to hijack threads and rant on and on... seriously get a room you two and work it off.
I gave up on this thread long ago, and tried to shut it back down immediately when someone necro'd it.
p.s. on page 14
Aside from a brief tangent where I bitched about the fed cruisers and sci ships being allowed cannons and a dumbass trying to twist my statement into being tied to the treaty, I pretty much stuck with my original intent. Now its just devolved into the same **** we can see in like 6 other threads, mostly between you, protogoth, and caedicius. You two do love to hijack threads and rant on and on... seriously get a room you two and work it off.
Oh, please. Again, the so-called thread hijack was going on way back on page 1, and has continued fairly unabated since then. My first post in the thread was on page 21, long after others had already turned it into the usual struggle between Imperialists and Republicans. But now I'm somehow supposed to share in the blame for the entire thread hijack? Kodachikuno, you're better than this kind of finger-pointing at the wrong person. And your suggestion is nauseating.
Oh, please. Again, the so-called thread hijack was going on way back on page 1, and has continued fairly unabated since then. My first post in the thread was on page 21, long after others had already turned it into the usual struggle between Imperialists and Republicans. But now I'm somehow supposed to share in the blame for the entire thread hijack? Kodachikuno, you're better than this kind of finger-pointing at the wrong person. And your suggestion is nauseating.
yes you are. You don't HAVE to take the bait EVERY SINGLE TIME IN EVERY THREAD, but you do. Im also not blaming you singularly in that but yes you do have a portion of the blame.
yes you are. You don't HAVE to take the bait EVERY SINGLE TIME IN EVERY THREAD, but you do. Im also not blaming you singularly in that but yes you do have a portion of the blame.
You share the blame here too, if there is blame to be shared. I recently looked through threads going all the way back to the opening of the Romulan Gameplay forum, and note that you have been helping to hijack threads since at least July of least year. Hypocrisy does not enhance your arguments.
You share the blame here too, if there is blame to be shared. I recently looked through threads going all the way back to the opening of the Romulan Gameplay forum, and note that you have been helping to hijack threads since at least July of least year. Hypocrisy does not enhance your arguments. -Tolmarius-
Seems we got a bit of an antagonist Romulan in our midst.
Caedicius, first, stop referring to "many Romulans", or "most Romulans". You do not speak for "many Romulans", much less for "most Romulans, and certainly not for "all Romulans". You have as little idea what Romulans think as I do. If my using examples from Earth history is an issue for you because Romulans are different, then your ability to predict how Romulans would thik is just as much an issue. Romulans are a fictional species created by Humans. Their actions in Star Trek, like those of the Klingons, and Vulcans, and Cardassains, et. al., have always been driven by very human reasons.
This made sense, but than of course it should be obvious that also ANY claim of the "Republicans" to spreak for "the Romulans" (or at least for a great part of them) had to be dismissed as well - right? Let us agree on the fact that many people have very, very different opinions what the "logical" behavior would be. And it is hard if not impossible to decide who has more arguments on his side. But of course that would also be the case with the Republic...
And of course you are right, that nobody could know how a fictional race could and would react - to hell with it, that is even hard to say about HUMANS (and let us agree on the point that humans often did not react in the way as many people think they "should"...)
Second, you seem to have a bug in your butt about Subcommander Khiana's contact with D'Tan. Let me lay it out for you. What she said was that in return for a say in the governance of the Republic, the Tal Shiar would help D'Tan maintain and expand power. Now, as near as I can tell, there are only two reasons for this, and neither of them constitute an olive branch extended by the RSE. First, when D'Tan called her on representing the Tal Shiar, she did not deny it, nor did she correct him and say the RSE. This implies that the Tal Shiar operating in the Republic were rogue, and therefore criminals. The other possibility was that she was attempting to subvert D'Tan and the governments of the Republic, which is also not an attempt to offer a possibility of peace. When she returned, she proposed to Commander Ruul that they replace D'Tan with someone more accommodating to their plans. More proof that they simply wished for another set of strings to pull. And Ruul then proceded to terrorize the civilians on Mol'Rihan. His men attacked and kidnapped civilians in the mountains, and he sent Hirogen to murder civilians elsewhere. The criminal activites of the Tal Shiar continue to stack up.
I would be not so sure. At first TS and RSE are often used as nearly identical (although they are not). And that she do not deny did not mean she agree to 100 percent. I would say she rather speak for a certain group of TS and RSE people - how big is uncertain. But a powerful one, that seem very likely (if any of her offers were true). And her return came AFTER her offer was more or less refused by D'Tan. He made clear that he had no interest in real negotiations (since in daylight it is indeed hard to believe that she would made it far before a Klingon, a Reman or a Republican fanatic kill her). Any open contact would also bring in too many different parties on the table that any agreement is highly unlikely.
Third, your characterization of Spock is flawed. Yes, he was a member of Starfleet, and yes, he took part in operations against Romulan interests, because they had decided to oppose the Federation, his own nation. Yet he never harbored any animosity towards the Romulan people. Yes, he aided the Reunification movement, an organization that desired to find out about their distant Vulcan heritage and develop closer ties with their distant cousins (and was declared criminal by an unelected autocratic and fascist goverement and it's secret police, not the Romulan people, because it's philosophy represented a threat to the continued power and control of said government, like the Falun Gong movment in China.). President Truman, and General/President Eisenhower both fought against the Germans in two world wars, yet they held no animosity for the German people, and went to great lengths to help them post-war. Their administrations helped rebuild Germany and bring it back into the world community. They fought against Germany, but can hardly be considered enemies of the German people. General MacArthur lost his entire army to the Japanese. THey marched them to death in the jungles of the Philipines. Yet post-war he did the same for the Japanese, helping them to rebuild and recover from the devastation. Spock worked hard to better relations between the Romulans and the Federation. Yes, he helped arrange peace between the Klingons and Federation, but how does that make him and enemy of the Romulan people? Just because the autocrats didn't like it? Because they could no longer play the Feds and Klingon off against each other? The sacrificed himself to save the Romulan people from greater destruction. I doubt an enemy would do that for those he opposes.
Well, I think the members of the families who lost beloved people or those men and women who mourn killed comrades because of his actions will find little comfort in the idea that he acted not out of hate but "duty". You say it right, he acted for his nation. A nation, which was in conflict with the Romulans often enough and bloody enough, I would say, that high distrust towards him and the people he "enlighted" is very likely. Not by all Romulans, sure. But there will be several - and not only few, I think - who would keep that in mind. You must also keep in mind how Spocks actions (mainly the peace Kling-Fed) is very likely seen in Romulan public and how it was presented there. Do you believe that the Romulan propaganda had a friendly view? I guess this was a hour of bitter words, and this have results if it fit with the traditional point of view which is planted under the people (which is - I think on that point there could be little disagreement - not very Federation-friendly). The RSE was a state who surely influence his people to see the things in the...right...way.
Fourth, I must bring up the prejudice against Remans that you have expressed elsewhere. Racism is never an intelligent policy. And in this case, the birth of the Reman Resistance can be placed directly at the RSE's doorstep. The Tal Shiar created Shinzon as part of a poorly thought through scheme to infiltrate the Federation. When the closed it down, they abandoned him on Remus. There, and later, during the Dominion War, he rose to leadership among the Remans. Then they displayed utter and incredible incompetence by allowing him to be the one to recapture the facility where he was made. His coup was empowered by the technology he found their. His coup woke the Remans up, and showed them they were strong. And now, despite nearly 2000 years of enslavement and prejudice, they are forgiving those Romulans willing to accept them as equals, and extending the hand of friendship and brotherhood to the Republic. The strength of the Reman people now upholds and empowers the Republic and the ideals it stands for, rather than empowering and enriching the elites and propping up the crumbling edifice of the Star Empire, and I'll wager that you are just foaming at the mouth about that.
It is not a question about being wise or not. You understand me wrong. Do you believe I as a person think the policy of the RSE is the best? Of course not (my TOON my think different at least about some aspects). But I believe that centuries or more of living rascism did not go away over night. As do years of bitter conflict. You could not say - oh, you were wrong all the time, and the Remans were right more or less (and we have to forgive that they helped to kill our leaders and bring a mad human clone to power and killed so many of your people). I do not believe that people who are teached for generations that Remans are somehow inferior to them and must know they place will buy it. In a perfect world they may do it. But since you like to use human history as example, well look how hard it is here to overcome such things - and how often they fire back nasty.
By the way, you used the films to claim the TS is a joke. Can I also understand you in that way that you also think the mighty Borg are the beachboys of the universe, people who must be feared by no one? I mean, the films told us, that the Borg were not able to hunt down a SINGLE scout ship they were after and even suffered some setbacks from that ship. And it was not a ship under the commando of some genius, but under the leadership of captain JANEWAY. How serious could anyone be judged who is not able to beat such a foe...;)
Caedicius, I'm holding you to the same standard as I'm holding Protogoth right now. Quit with the Republican/Imperialist nonsense thread hijacking; it is seriously getting old. Make your own damn thread if you want to argue about it, because it is not germane to the topic at hand.
Come on, why do you guys have to do this in every single damn thread?
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
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I kind of feel that the Treaty of Algeron was voided with the destruction of Romulus and it was a nice gesture by the President of the Federation to continue to honour it in the spirit of peace and cooperation, but that olive branch wasn't accepted.
I feel and think it was really thrown out of the window right around the Fed-side mission "Minefield." Its the one where Starfleet Command wants to set up mines around the Fed transwarp network to protect it from Klingon or Romulan ships.
So you go to pick up the mines and the Vulcan scientist who invented them only to find the RSE blatantly attacking the Federation Outpost. They then attack you. They'd set that outpost to blow up along with everyone aboard. You fight tooth and nail to get the mines, scientists and survivors beamed to your ship.
Then you go to the Federation transwarp gate to deploy the mines. You blow up a few asteroids that would mess with them and go to deploy the mines and again you're attacked by the RSE trying to stop you.
My point is that with that mission alone the RSE had broken the Treaty of Algeron by attacking a Federation outpost. (Which is presumably within Fed territory.) Then attacking a Starfleet ship before again attacking it at the transwarp gate, which again I presume is within Federation borders. It was the Romulans who chose to make an unprovoked attack on a Federation facility and ship who were in no way being aggressive to the Romulans. All that was being done was shoring up Starfleet's defences.
If you add on the following missions you see examples of the RSE capturing, interrogating/torturing/killing and enslaving Federation civilian scientists its even worse.
No matter which way you slice it, the RSE effectively ended the treaty back during the Romulan Front missions. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that now in Season 10 Starfleet no longer sees a point to adhering to a dead treaty and brings in cloaked ships.
yes you are. You don't HAVE to take the bait EVERY SINGLE TIME IN EVERY THREAD, but you do. Im also not blaming you singularly in that but yes you do have a portion of the blame.
If he were merely baiting me, or even baiting me at all, that would be one thing, and you have seen me refuse to be baited on more than one occasion. I have TWICE set up my own thread in an effort to prevent thread hijacking by Heckle and Jeckle, and yes, even you in the past. I thought you had gotten over that, but now it seems that may not be the case. Here you are in this very thread attempting to change the subject to personal attacks on me, as Jeckle has done on many occasions. Again, you're better than that; stop it.
Again, as noted above, if Heckle were merely baiting me, or even baiting me at all, that would e one thing. However, this thread was well over a month old before I finally bothered to post in it. I was not unaware of the thread; I had looked in on it, and I had seen, right there on page 1, the usual "Well, D'Tan is a traitor" TRIBBLE he tries to pull in every thread. At times, yes, he most certainly has attempted to bait me, and he may well have been trying again in the early part of this thread, but if so, he obviously failed. It was not until after the necro that I bothered to post at all in here, and then only because -- incredibly -- someone seemed to be expecting Heckle to make sense in some way.
As for the necro itself, the Mods seldom visit this forum, for whatever reason (perhaps it is that infamous Federation favoritism we have heard so much about, or maybe they view us as far too savage a bunch, or perchance something else), and necroed threads are all too common here -- witness that incessant whine about the Tall'Shiar uniforms, for example, which has died at least twice before some foolhardy goose-stepper applied Doctor Herbert West's formula to it. One would think that Comrade Ray might look in on this thread once or twice, since he posted here in the past, but again, when a Mod enters the Romulan Gameplay forum, it is cause for great wonder, since it is an ultra rare, or perhaps epic, event.
But you as the Original Poster in this thread have some responsibility for that necroing, because you as the OP can very easily get your own thread locked (all the more so if it is being necroed). Rather than do so, however, you allowed it to go on, with more of the same bilge from Heckle as before (perhaps it was your intention all along to encourage him to "bait" me in order to give yourself the opportunity to berate me and try to blame this entire thread hijack on me -- in which case, I may have been wrong about you having at least traces of nobility).
And finally, as Tolmarius has pointed out, you were for a lengthy period one of those guilty of hijacking threads to spew pro-RSE rhetoric, so belike you should reconsider this Projection and instead consult a looking-glass for a period of ... reflection.
I kind of feel that the Treaty of Algeron was voided with the destruction of Romulus and it was a nice gesture by the President of the Federation to continue to honour it in the spirit of peace and cooperation, but that olive branch wasn't accepted.
I feel and think it was really thrown out of the window right around the Fed-side mission "Minefield." Its the one where Starfleet Command wants to set up mines around the Fed transwarp network to protect it from Klingon or Romulan ships.
So you go to pick up the mines and the Vulcan scientist who invented them only to find the RSE blatantly attacking the Federation Outpost. They then attack you. They'd set that outpost to blow up along with everyone aboard. You fight tooth and nail to get the mines, scientists and survivors beamed to your ship.
Then you go to the Federation transwarp gate to deploy the mines. You blow up a few asteroids that would mess with them and go to deploy the mines and again you're attacked by the RSE trying to stop you.
My point is that with that mission alone the RSE had broken the Treaty of Algeron by attacking a Federation outpost. (Which is presumably within Fed territory.) Then attacking a Starfleet ship before again attacking it at the transwarp gate, which again I presume is within Federation borders. It was the Romulans who chose to make an unprovoked attack on a Federation facility and ship who were in no way being aggressive to the Romulans. All that was being done was shoring up Starfleet's defences.
If you add on the following missions you see examples of the RSE capturing, interrogating/torturing/killing and enslaving Federation civilian scientists its even worse.
No matter which way you slice it, the RSE effectively ended the treaty back during the Romulan Front missions. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that now in Season 10 Starfleet no longer sees a point to adhering to a dead treaty and brings in cloaked ships.
A good summation. The RSE voided the treaty by its own actions. Further, the Republic was far to busy defending itself from said RSE (and its Iconian assigned safety buddies, the Elachi) to worry about a voided treaty it was never a party to. I fail to see why any further discussion here is needed.
A good summation. The RSE voided the treaty by its own actions. Further, the Republic was far to busy defending itself from said RSE (and its Iconian assigned safety buddies, the Elachi) to worry about a voided treaty it was never a party to. I fail to see why any further discussion here is needed.
I fail to see why this topic was needed at all. There are plenty of things more worthy of concern, such as the fact of the FedBrats getting FIVE T6 ships in the DR pack while the KDF and RRF got 2 each, and then, rather than addressing this disparity, the powers that be spent their time on ANOTHER T6 ship for FedBrats AND gave it two interiors, while the Lleiset interior, also developed and implemented for DR, has yet to be added to player Dreadbirds and RRF ships all have one and only one bridge/interior, compared to the multiple options available to KDF and FedBrats.
You share the blame here too, if there is blame to be shared. I recently looked through threads going all the way back to the opening of the Romulan Gameplay forum, and note that you have been helping to hijack threads since at least July of least year. Hypocrisy does not enhance your arguments.
Well if you looked you would also see I stopped that **** several months ago. I also hopped over to protogoth's threads she started to avoid hijacks, and have tried since then to shut these 2 up in threads they hijack.
If he were merely baiting me, or even baiting me at all, that would be one thing, and you have seen me refuse to be baited on more than one occasion. I have TWICE set up my own thread in an effort to prevent thread hijacking by Heckle and Jeckle, and yes, even you in the past. I thought you had gotten over that, but now it seems that may not be the case. Here you are in this very thread attempting to change the subject to personal attacks on me, as Jeckle has done on many occasions. Again, you're better than that; stop it.
Again, as noted above, if Heckle were merely baiting me, or even baiting me at all, that would e one thing. However, this thread was well over a month old before I finally bothered to post in it. I was not unaware of the thread; I had looked in on it, and I had seen, right there on page 1, the usual "Well, D'Tan is a traitor" TRIBBLE he tries to pull in every thread. At times, yes, he most certainly has attempted to bait me, and he may well have been trying again in the early part of this thread, but if so, he obviously failed. It was not until after the necro that I bothered to post at all in here, and then only because -- incredibly -- someone seemed to be expecting Heckle to make sense in some way.
As for the necro itself, the Mods seldom visit this forum, for whatever reason (perhaps it is that infamous Federation favoritism we have heard so much about, or maybe they view us as far too savage a bunch, or perchance something else), and necroed threads are all too common here -- witness that incessant whine about the Tall'Shiar uniforms, for example, which has died at least twice before some foolhardy goose-stepper applied Doctor Herbert West's formula to it. One would think that Comrade Ray might look in on this thread once or twice, since he posted here in the past, but again, when a Mod enters the Romulan Gameplay forum, it is cause for great wonder, since it is an ultra rare, or perhaps epic, event.
But you as the Original Poster in this thread have some responsibility for that necroing, because you as the OP can very easily get your own thread locked (all the more so if it is being necroed). Rather than do so, however, you allowed it to go on, with more of the same bilge from Heckle as before (perhaps it was your intention all along to encourage him to "bait" me in order to give yourself the opportunity to berate me and try to blame this entire thread hijack on me -- in which case, I may have been wrong about you having at least traces of nobility).
And finally, as Tolmarius has pointed out, you were for a lengthy period one of those guilty of hijacking threads to spew pro-RSE rhetoric, so belike you should reconsider this Projection and instead consult a looking-glass for a period of ... reflection.
You really do find it physically impossible to type posts that are less than a mile long don't you? I suppose you do have one point, in that I could have pestered a mod to shut down the necro. Generally I avoid that kind of behavior and let forum mods/admins do their own job. Since bluegeek has posted in this thread before I fully expected the mod to lock it down. I will agree that IS my fail for expecting community managers to do their job remotely well and apply the same rules to ALL forums, not just the ones they like. To that, I will agree I erred. None of which is a good reason for you to respond to the necro and renew your war with those same people all over again.
I kind of feel that the Treaty of Algeron was voided with the destruction of Romulus and it was a nice gesture by the President of the Federation to continue to honour it in the spirit of peace and cooperation, but that olive branch wasn't accepted.
I feel and think it was really thrown out of the window right around the Fed-side mission "Minefield." Its the one where Starfleet Command wants to set up mines around the Fed transwarp network to protect it from Klingon or Romulan ships.
So you go to pick up the mines and the Vulcan scientist who invented them only to find the RSE blatantly attacking the Federation Outpost. They then attack you. They'd set that outpost to blow up along with everyone aboard. You fight tooth and nail to get the mines, scientists and survivors beamed to your ship.
Then you go to the Federation transwarp gate to deploy the mines. You blow up a few asteroids that would mess with them and go to deploy the mines and again you're attacked by the RSE trying to stop you.
My point is that with that mission alone the RSE had broken the Treaty of Algeron by attacking a Federation outpost. (Which is presumably within Fed territory.) Then attacking a Starfleet ship before again attacking it at the transwarp gate, which again I presume is within Federation borders. It was the Romulans who chose to make an unprovoked attack on a Federation facility and ship who were in no way being aggressive to the Romulans. All that was being done was shoring up Starfleet's defences.
If you add on the following missions you see examples of the RSE capturing, interrogating/torturing/killing and enslaving Federation civilian scientists its even worse.
No matter which way you slice it, the RSE effectively ended the treaty back during the Romulan Front missions. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that now in Season 10 Starfleet no longer sees a point to adhering to a dead treaty and brings in cloaked ships.
all of which was covered several times in the pre-necro pages.
Personally, I fail to see why we need to argue about necroing. So what if people talk in a thread that has been inactive for a while. It's not like it's hurting anyone. The onl;y thing that matters here is that the argument has been resolved.
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What would be even more awesome would be if you had said this at any time prior to page 19 when the thread got necroed, or more awesome yet would be if you had said it about Heckle continually repeating things he had stated in this very thread earlier (indeed, I believe he said the same thing on page 20 that he said on page 1). It's less awesome that you waited for supporters of the Republic to come along and explain the facts of life -- again -- to Heckle, who has already demonstrated clearly that he has no regard for any sort of facts which do not serve his efforts to portray the Tal'Shiar as poor, unfortunate, mistreated victims. You guys who love the Star Empire so much could police your own, after all.
The only people the Jedi need to use their mind tricks on are the ones like Caedicius, who ignore both the Truth and Common Sense while they dance naked on the table in front of them.
Naked dancing? I heard someone say naked Dancing. Amon is ready for the Rumarie.
More seriously, I have to concur the conclusion that the treaty no longer applies, as it was
established with the RSE, which is now defunct, and whatever scraps of it which
survive are at war with the Federation.
Sic 'em Proto/Tolmarius!
My character Tsin'xing
If you can't keep your mind out of the gutter go back to Drozana.
Devs please for the love of all that's sacred lock this Necro happy thread.
This thread has been resurrected. It's been going strong for 4 pages, and doesn't look to be stopping. I would advise tilting at more important windmills.
I gave up on this thread long ago, and tried to shut it back down immediately when someone necro'd it.
p.s. on page 14 Aside from a brief tangent where I bitched about the fed cruisers and sci ships being allowed cannons and a dumbass trying to twist my statement into being tied to the treaty, I pretty much stuck with my original intent. Now its just devolved into the same **** we can see in like 6 other threads, mostly between you, protogoth, and caedicius. You two do love to hijack threads and rant on and on... seriously get a room you two and work it off.
Oh, please. Again, the so-called thread hijack was going on way back on page 1, and has continued fairly unabated since then. My first post in the thread was on page 21, long after others had already turned it into the usual struggle between Imperialists and Republicans. But now I'm somehow supposed to share in the blame for the entire thread hijack? Kodachikuno, you're better than this kind of finger-pointing at the wrong person. And your suggestion is nauseating.
You share the blame here too, if there is blame to be shared. I recently looked through threads going all the way back to the opening of the Romulan Gameplay forum, and note that you have been helping to hijack threads since at least July of least year. Hypocrisy does not enhance your arguments.
Seems we got a bit of an antagonist Romulan in our midst.
-sits back and eats popcorn watching the show-
This made sense, but than of course it should be obvious that also ANY claim of the "Republicans" to spreak for "the Romulans" (or at least for a great part of them) had to be dismissed as well - right? Let us agree on the fact that many people have very, very different opinions what the "logical" behavior would be. And it is hard if not impossible to decide who has more arguments on his side. But of course that would also be the case with the Republic...
And of course you are right, that nobody could know how a fictional race could and would react - to hell with it, that is even hard to say about HUMANS (and let us agree on the point that humans often did not react in the way as many people think they "should"...)
I would be not so sure. At first TS and RSE are often used as nearly identical (although they are not). And that she do not deny did not mean she agree to 100 percent. I would say she rather speak for a certain group of TS and RSE people - how big is uncertain. But a powerful one, that seem very likely (if any of her offers were true). And her return came AFTER her offer was more or less refused by D'Tan. He made clear that he had no interest in real negotiations (since in daylight it is indeed hard to believe that she would made it far before a Klingon, a Reman or a Republican fanatic kill her). Any open contact would also bring in too many different parties on the table that any agreement is highly unlikely.
Well, I think the members of the families who lost beloved people or those men and women who mourn killed comrades because of his actions will find little comfort in the idea that he acted not out of hate but "duty". You say it right, he acted for his nation. A nation, which was in conflict with the Romulans often enough and bloody enough, I would say, that high distrust towards him and the people he "enlighted" is very likely. Not by all Romulans, sure. But there will be several - and not only few, I think - who would keep that in mind. You must also keep in mind how Spocks actions (mainly the peace Kling-Fed) is very likely seen in Romulan public and how it was presented there. Do you believe that the Romulan propaganda had a friendly view? I guess this was a hour of bitter words, and this have results if it fit with the traditional point of view which is planted under the people (which is - I think on that point there could be little disagreement - not very Federation-friendly). The RSE was a state who surely influence his people to see the things in the...right...way.
It is not a question about being wise or not. You understand me wrong. Do you believe I as a person think the policy of the RSE is the best? Of course not (my TOON my think different at least about some aspects). But I believe that centuries or more of living rascism did not go away over night. As do years of bitter conflict. You could not say - oh, you were wrong all the time, and the Remans were right more or less (and we have to forgive that they helped to kill our leaders and bring a mad human clone to power and killed so many of your people). I do not believe that people who are teached for generations that Remans are somehow inferior to them and must know they place will buy it. In a perfect world they may do it. But since you like to use human history as example, well look how hard it is here to overcome such things - and how often they fire back nasty.
By the way, you used the films to claim the TS is a joke. Can I also understand you in that way that you also think the mighty Borg are the beachboys of the universe, people who must be feared by no one? I mean, the films told us, that the Borg were not able to hunt down a SINGLE scout ship they were after and even suffered some setbacks from that ship. And it was not a ship under the commando of some genius, but under the leadership of captain JANEWAY. How serious could anyone be judged who is not able to beat such a foe...;)
Come on, why do you guys have to do this in every single damn thread?
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On the other hand I just wanted to answer to tolmarius, is that so bad?
I kind of feel that the Treaty of Algeron was voided with the destruction of Romulus and it was a nice gesture by the President of the Federation to continue to honour it in the spirit of peace and cooperation, but that olive branch wasn't accepted.
I feel and think it was really thrown out of the window right around the Fed-side mission "Minefield." Its the one where Starfleet Command wants to set up mines around the Fed transwarp network to protect it from Klingon or Romulan ships.
So you go to pick up the mines and the Vulcan scientist who invented them only to find the RSE blatantly attacking the Federation Outpost. They then attack you. They'd set that outpost to blow up along with everyone aboard. You fight tooth and nail to get the mines, scientists and survivors beamed to your ship.
Then you go to the Federation transwarp gate to deploy the mines. You blow up a few asteroids that would mess with them and go to deploy the mines and again you're attacked by the RSE trying to stop you.
My point is that with that mission alone the RSE had broken the Treaty of Algeron by attacking a Federation outpost. (Which is presumably within Fed territory.) Then attacking a Starfleet ship before again attacking it at the transwarp gate, which again I presume is within Federation borders. It was the Romulans who chose to make an unprovoked attack on a Federation facility and ship who were in no way being aggressive to the Romulans. All that was being done was shoring up Starfleet's defences.
If you add on the following missions you see examples of the RSE capturing, interrogating/torturing/killing and enslaving Federation civilian scientists its even worse.
No matter which way you slice it, the RSE effectively ended the treaty back during the Romulan Front missions. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that now in Season 10 Starfleet no longer sees a point to adhering to a dead treaty and brings in cloaked ships.
If he were merely baiting me, or even baiting me at all, that would be one thing, and you have seen me refuse to be baited on more than one occasion. I have TWICE set up my own thread in an effort to prevent thread hijacking by Heckle and Jeckle, and yes, even you in the past. I thought you had gotten over that, but now it seems that may not be the case. Here you are in this very thread attempting to change the subject to personal attacks on me, as Jeckle has done on many occasions. Again, you're better than that; stop it.
Again, as noted above, if Heckle were merely baiting me, or even baiting me at all, that would e one thing. However, this thread was well over a month old before I finally bothered to post in it. I was not unaware of the thread; I had looked in on it, and I had seen, right there on page 1, the usual "Well, D'Tan is a traitor" TRIBBLE he tries to pull in every thread. At times, yes, he most certainly has attempted to bait me, and he may well have been trying again in the early part of this thread, but if so, he obviously failed. It was not until after the necro that I bothered to post at all in here, and then only because -- incredibly -- someone seemed to be expecting Heckle to make sense in some way.
As for the necro itself, the Mods seldom visit this forum, for whatever reason (perhaps it is that infamous Federation favoritism we have heard so much about, or maybe they view us as far too savage a bunch, or perchance something else), and necroed threads are all too common here -- witness that incessant whine about the Tall'Shiar uniforms, for example, which has died at least twice before some foolhardy goose-stepper applied Doctor Herbert West's formula to it. One would think that Comrade Ray might look in on this thread once or twice, since he posted here in the past, but again, when a Mod enters the Romulan Gameplay forum, it is cause for great wonder, since it is an ultra rare, or perhaps epic, event.
But you as the Original Poster in this thread have some responsibility for that necroing, because you as the OP can very easily get your own thread locked (all the more so if it is being necroed). Rather than do so, however, you allowed it to go on, with more of the same bilge from Heckle as before (perhaps it was your intention all along to encourage him to "bait" me in order to give yourself the opportunity to berate me and try to blame this entire thread hijack on me -- in which case, I may have been wrong about you having at least traces of nobility).
And finally, as Tolmarius has pointed out, you were for a lengthy period one of those guilty of hijacking threads to spew pro-RSE rhetoric, so belike you should reconsider this Projection and instead consult a looking-glass for a period of ... reflection.
A good summation. The RSE voided the treaty by its own actions. Further, the Republic was far to busy defending itself from said RSE (and its Iconian assigned safety buddies, the Elachi) to worry about a voided treaty it was never a party to. I fail to see why any further discussion here is needed.
I fail to see why this topic was needed at all. There are plenty of things more worthy of concern, such as the fact of the FedBrats getting FIVE T6 ships in the DR pack while the KDF and RRF got 2 each, and then, rather than addressing this disparity, the powers that be spent their time on ANOTHER T6 ship for FedBrats AND gave it two interiors, while the Lleiset interior, also developed and implemented for DR, has yet to be added to player Dreadbirds and RRF ships all have one and only one bridge/interior, compared to the multiple options available to KDF and FedBrats.
Well if you looked you would also see I stopped that **** several months ago. I also hopped over to protogoth's threads she started to avoid hijacks, and have tried since then to shut these 2 up in threads they hijack.
You really do find it physically impossible to type posts that are less than a mile long don't you? I suppose you do have one point, in that I could have pestered a mod to shut down the necro. Generally I avoid that kind of behavior and let forum mods/admins do their own job. Since bluegeek has posted in this thread before I fully expected the mod to lock it down. I will agree that IS my fail for expecting community managers to do their job remotely well and apply the same rules to ALL forums, not just the ones they like. To that, I will agree I erred. None of which is a good reason for you to respond to the necro and renew your war with those same people all over again.
all of which was covered several times in the pre-necro pages.