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cyraxred
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Hello all
Not sure if this has been brought up before...
For us Feds, with the new X2 coming soon, how about introducing the Phasing Cloaking Device...Starfleet created it in the 2350's, so almost 60 yrs ago with the current timeline, and since the Romulans are allowing Feds to use cloak on certain ships, and the new peace with the Klinks (Feel like barfing :P), and new threats, I say let us Feds use a Federation Made Cloaking device.
Any thoughts??
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Phasing_cloaking_device
Not sure if this has been brought up before...
For us Feds, with the new X2 coming soon, how about introducing the Phasing Cloaking Device...Starfleet created it in the 2350's, so almost 60 yrs ago with the current timeline, and since the Romulans are allowing Feds to use cloak on certain ships, and the new peace with the Klinks (Feel like barfing :P), and new threats, I say let us Feds use a Federation Made Cloaking device.
Any thoughts??
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Phasing_cloaking_device
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Also why should we now use cloaks while we did not before?
If it would be because of the iconians, then why not use romulan battle cloaks for everyone because we fight them together (ironie!)
Also it would rip apart a major stand alone of the klingons that got already hurted by the romlans.
Should we call it the Pegasus Cloak?
~CaptainSmirk
Shouldn't this be in the F.C.T.?
The dead horse section??
The gimme' a break section???
But sooner rather than later your ship is going to end up fused inside an asteroid...
'The D'ridthau Warbird Battle Cruiser comes with a [Console - Universal - Molecular Phase Inverter], which when active significantly increases Defense and Damage Resistance, allows the ship to pass through other ships, and adds a bonus to the ship's speed and turn rate. The ship's cloaking device can still be used while the console is active.'
^(from star trek online's wiki)
Indeed. BTW, This (phase cloak Oberth) has been proposed before.
Yes, because the Federation is a military dictatorship and not a democracy. So Starfleet decides which laws apply and which don't.:rolleyes:
So realistically the Federation could remove the cloaking component and instead go with straight up phasing instead now granted after a proper scan or a few shots the opponent would probably start finding a way to compensate but at the same time you could theoretically setup a system that shifted the ships phase variance every few seconds for the duration to negate their attempts.
I mean really does it matter if they can see you if they are unable to actually damage you ?
also I remember some of the temporal tech allowing phasing or something similar in the series
As for Illegal, Feds only were being gracious to the Roms due to the original Treaty of Algeron, and with Rom Home Destroyed, technically so is the treaty, due to new reformation of the Romulan Empire.
Hmmm.. OK. This has been discussed before. So many reasons why, but it's a violation of the treaty with the Romulans. But a lot has happened in 60 years, including a genocidal human clone using remans to attack... wait... that wasn't the Romulans attacking us... so that excuse won't work.
Hmmm... I would like one though. Maybe for Oberth class science vessels only AND it comes with a 15% chance of blowing up your ship each time it's used.
Only if you're Putin or George Bush. 'Nuff said.
Or maybe you should go watch the episode instead of relying on a ****ty wiki:
The pegasus cloak got damaged in the fighting the crew put up, and when they attempted to deactivate it, they blew out some plasma conduits. The ship then drifted, while still cloaked, into the asteroid field where at some point the cascading system failures reached the cloak related systems, and it shut down, materializing the ship in the asteroid - fusing the matter together.
The cloak worked perfectly until someone shot it, basically.
As was demonstrated by the Enterprise using it without issue. Sure, as a prototype device it was a bit finnicky, but the first phaser cannon also blew up a little moon mountain so... your point is invalid.
The Treaty of algeron is why the federation has to this date no phase cloaks. Its not a technical issue: Its one of diplomatic tact.
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Yes. And it should come on a T5 Oberth retrofit.
Frankly, if the KDF and ROM factions get some serious love in terms of new ships and consoles then I think they "might" be willing to put up with a Pegasus Cloak console for the FEDs.
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Well, if they stuck to canon, yes. A phasing cloak renders you invulnerable to all forms of weaponry while it's active. If implemented as the "battle" variety cloak, would be the most epic escape ability ever. If implemented as the "regular" variety cloak, not so much, since you'd have to be out of combat to use it.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
(Text from Memory Alpha) The Treaty of Algeron was a peace treaty signed between the United Federation of Planets and the Romulan Star Empire in 2311, following the events of the Tomed Incident. The Treaty of Algeron was signed approximately 160 years after the conclusion of the Earth-Romulan War. (TNG: "The Pegasus")
The treaty reinforced and redefined the Romulan Neutral Zone, and made clear that any violations of the Zone without adequate notification, by either side, would be considered an act of war. (TNG: "The Defector"; ENT: "These Are the Voyages...") The treaty also expressly prohibited the development or use of cloaking device technology by the Federation.
The Romulan Star Empire is not in existance anymore in STO lore, so the whole thing is invalid, and the Federation is allowed to use any sort of cloaking devices. That's how i see it.
And i think a "real" phase cloak would be cool (the Kar Fi's phasing device is only temporary, so "meh")
This has been already addressed:
The Federation, in an act of APPLIED FCKN DIPLOMATIC TACT has decided to carry over the Treaty of algeron to the newly "founded" Romulan republic and the remnants of the star empire (the tal shiar and cohorts basically) because: how about we do not start yet another war.
Already breaking the treaty anyways since the zen Defiant and the Zen Gal-X both have cloaking devices which can be applied to just about any ship.
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1) Both the Tal Shiar and Starfleet are repeatedly and blatantly violating the neutral zone.
2) Starfleet is using cloaking devices on some ships (in violation of the treaty)
3) The Republic is getting significant aid from the Federation, including Starfleet personnel and ships, yet somehow can't negotiate the use of cloaking devices?
4) This is the same Republic which was until very recently fielding ships and soldiers to both the KDF and Starfleet to assist in the war effort against the other. They were hardly staying aloof of the conflict and logically, if it was not for the Undine and Voth, we'd probably be in a three way war right now.
The Federation is in no way obliged to follow the treaty, since it's been violated numerous times in numerous ways by all parties involved, including the usage of cloaking ships by the federation.
There is no such treaty with the Romulan Republic (as far as we know?) so it would not violate any treaty to actively pursue a Fed Cloaking Device, phased or not.
I doubt D'Tan would tell the Feds they can't research cloaking technology.
~CaptainSmirk
The "****ty wiki" was the source cited in the OP; it is therefore perfectly reasonable to actually cite the rest of the "****ty wiki" in response.
As for the reliability of Federation developed cloaking technology, in-game lore also provides an example of the general incompatibility of Starfleet technology with cloaking devices... ...which may be a perfectly logical reason for cloaking devices being in limited use by Starfleet. The political ramifications... ...also argue against widespread use of cloaking technology by the Federation. The continued use of cloaking on a limited number of ships (specifically designed to be compatible with the cloaking device console) may very well have been negotiated with the Romulan Republic, most recently on the Avenger-class battlecruiser, but the official policy... ...appears to follow the statements made by Federation President Aennik Okeg.
Naturally, lore would have to reflect negotiations for the Federation expanding the use of cloaking technology, otherwise the whole thing is jumping the Sharknado. It just seems silly to do something to provoke the Klingon Empire after successfully making peace, especially with the Romulan Republic being placed in between the two and also having the promise of the continued validity of the Treaty of Algeron.
Then again, all that is just lore, without getting into the whole discussion of faction distinctiveness and gameplay balance.
As far a Phasing Cloak console, though... it is actually an interesting idea, assuming it has the same cooldown as the Phase Shift Generator, is ship-restricted to a T5 or T6 Oberth-class, and has a chance of catastrophic failure; I'd suggest a 2-piece set bonus for using both the Pegasus Cloak and Enhanced Plasma Manifold that negates the failure chance. I'd also enable collision a la Ramming Speed (though without any speed/maneuverability boost or a doff to negate it) for one second upon leaving the Phasing Cloak to mimic the possibility of phasing into or around a foreign object with negative results for both.
wouldn't really surprise me if he offered to help, I don't think the Romulans managed to successfully create a working phasic cloaking system and the fed's would be more useful allies strategically if they were able to cloak both vs the Iconian's and Tal'shiar remnants
Oh god...Smirk, you don't realize what you just did, do you?
You just gave the pro-Fed cloak argument SO much ammunition by saying that. They'll never let this go, never now, and will gladly use that quote over and over and over again to justify it.