Honestly, I don't mind giant mechanised creatures used by an alien species in combat. Trek or not Trek, it's not the problem for me. The thing I've got issue with is that a species that pressumably evolved from Earth's dinosaurs is now basically using actual dinosaurs in their combat efforts. It's really like humans sending cyborg chimpanzees to the front lines. I can almost see a Mecha King Kong introduced down the road as a human's response to the Voth threat...
These look awesome, and i look forward to seeing them in action.
I would love to know why trek fans are so opposed to anything different or out of the norm though?
an alien race is doing something that seems totally alien to us. something we would never consider. so its clearly not star trek? i guess everyone just wants a human with a prosthetic forehead slapped onto them that acts like humans.
Cryptic, please continue to give us things we have not seen before. I for one enjoy pushing things beyond the established norm.
This ^ can't wait to check this stuff out! Would be cool to get both ground armor and tech as rep or lockbox rewards too!
Like other things, it's along the line of the following:
Can read it, and it looks awesome.
Can look at it, and it looks awesome.
When trying to read it/look at it...in relation to Star Trek...well, the awesome starts to fade.
Based on previous blog posts, discussions here and there, some folks are wondering if the poll wasn't rigged. Voth? How many folks had to look up the Voth to see what they even were? One episode out of how many hundreds of episodes and they become a featured enemy?
It all comes off as a Geko Pet Project. Go figure, the guy named Captain Geko...wanting dinosaurs in the game? It's all kind of fishy...sorry, it may be tinfoil hat time - but that's how it's looking.
As much as I love the Voth from VOY, I can't help but think the robo-dinosaurs came from the insane mind of a supervillain Voth with a swivel chair petting a robo-sabretooth. :rolleyes:
As long as he doesn't ask for 1 million quatloos we should be safe.
Honestly, I don't mind giant mechanised creatures used by an alien species in combat. Trek or not Trek, it's not the problem for me. The thing I've got issue with is that a species that pressumably evolved from Earth's dinosaurs is now basically using actual dinosaurs in their combat efforts. It's really like humans sending cyborg chimpanzees to the front lines. I can almost see a Mecha King Kong introduced down the road as a human's response to the Voth threat...
Yes because humans would never use animals in war and combat, never use dogs to blow up tanks...and why would something that comes from Earth have the same way of thinking humans don't think the same from different regions over hundreds of years.....so why would a spices millions of years apart even think the same.
You just made things worse XD Why? Because I've never seen JP, but I have watched ALL Star Trek, even if not all the original runs. And yet, I like this addition, because it's a fairly possible evolution choice of a reptilian race (and dinosaurs ARE reptiles lol)... not to mention the fact that the possibilities of different worlds in an entire universe are limitless anyway.
So seriously, don't insult other's intelligence; it doesn't make you look good
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Difference is, these Dino's did not decide to chat to the crew first and find out whats going on, and they did not have a T-rex with friggin laser beams running round after them either...
They was stuck on a world, I have read it also and its completely different...
When looking at the Voth as a species, our starting point was only one episode, so we had to look at what stood out about them and extrapolate from there. Their actions demonstrated that they were highly defensive, both culturally and militarily. While they vastly outstripped Voyager?s level of technology, offense was not their preferred solution to the problems that Voyager posed to them. They were also clearly very Science-focused ? they had entire councils of elders dedicated to each field of Science, and their technology was able to transport an entire Intrepid-class starship. Their vessels were exceptionally large, and their cloaking technology was an advanced form of phasing not seen in the Alpha Quadrant.
So what did we take from all that? In combat, we want the Voth to feel defensive.
Your version of the Voth does not feel defensive. Sending genetically engineered dinosaurs into battle makes them look like savages, not scientists. That's the sort of thing you've expect the Gorn to do, not the Voth.
If you want defensive, try giving them some uber-powerful defense shield or something that you have to actually think your way through.
Quick call master chief the covenant of dinosaurs has arrived!:eek:
ROFL
I dont know guys.. Trek is an open universe (due to the canon = JJ mess) I say we give it a chance.. As long as the Voth stay out of the alpha quadrant at least most of the game will stay SOMEWHAT cannon... I want this high level prey to fight the borg.. (Yes political and strategic manipulation) maybe pull them both back to Elachi and watch the chaos from afar... Yet again I am only a "trekkie" not a "trekker" so my demands on this MMO are fun only this new season has potential to be great or smash the game off the market if people are truly going to canonize it to oblivion.. In the end noone is forcing you to play any specific facet of the game (or the game itself for that matter..) Get over it or get offline.:eek:
Whiners are out in force I see, can we get a dino with lasers to shoot them and put them out of their misery?
Seriously.
While you're at it. Add a mech slot to our ground crew roster. I'd love to have a laser raptor or T-Rex to replace my redshirt. Ooh and a Tholian gundam mech.
I don't mind even having the T-rex downsized to fun size just so he can fit inside doors.
Will the Disassembler trait work against mechs or dinosaurs? It says androids... those dinos look pretty cybernetic. And the mechs aren't living even if they have a pilot inside (will the pilot pop out when the mech is disabled?)
Complaining about this NEW content, Really!?.. I mean REALLY?! People, its a GAME. A VIDEO GAME. A video game based on fictional universe... and you're complaining about dinosaurs with frickin laser beams on their heads!?... This is awesome, why would you want to kill it.
When I was a kid I built starships and bridge sets out of legos and put every toy I had as a starship crew including my little lego men, mcdonalds toys, and much more. Fighting dinosaurs with laser beams on their heads on a ground map during a Star Trek mission with the captain I created is like a childhood dream come true. This is my playset as a kid, and its probably the same for many, many other people as well. It may be hard to wrap your mind around, but that just means you lack creativity. Don't ruin this for the rest of us...
I like my Sci guy & I like my Sci ship & that's that.
Let's be utterly honest, Dinosaurs used to be a huge thing back in the days and if they would have had the special effects budget to use them back then you can bet that Star trek would have had episodes with fricking Dinosaurs in it and released toys of them to buy. :P
Humans also have equipped animals with technical gadgets and used them in warfare for ages, the Klingons use them, too, hell the Gorn even already have kinda dinosaur-y beasts, to think the voth use their favourite animals for war isn't al that far fetched.
That being said, the design feels awfully toyetic and while my inner child absolutely loves them, the cynic in me feels I'm way to old for stuff like this.
Also, I really hope the Storywriters can actually give us a plausible reason for all three factions to be at war. Right now, with all the talk of the voth being defensive and not aggressive in nature, it feels like it's shaping up to be one of these incredibly frustrating episodes of old superhero cartoons where you know that hero one is a good guy, hero two is a good guy, too and those Idiots wouldn't be fighting at all if they'd just be smart enough to take a moment and bloody talk to each other.
With the Ridiculous number of enemys the Federation is making there should realy be a chance to actually make new allies once in a while, especially since the Iconians have been coming... any minute now... like... for real! Very Soon! ...for a while now.
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Considering everything, perhaps not making them cyborg dinos and instead making them robotic might help appease some players concerns.
Might take a while to cook up a good texture but perhaps a generic metalic texture in place of the skin texture as a proof of concept could be applied and rendered then players given a choice between the two?
Either way the T-Rex will be in the game but will be less jurrasic park and more sci fi.
You forget TOS had canon Greek Gods, TRIBBLE-in-space, Hippies-in-space, and a lot more ridiculous things :P Dinosaurs is nothing really
I'm replying on mobile or I'd go into more depth but I don't think you're wrong.
I'd like cowboys and space TRIBBLE and Greek gods and the Bringloidi space Irish and the like in this game too.
But there's a big presentation difference. Trek would hit those things fast and hard and be onto something else next week. In fact, a TV show budget and presentation style encouraged moving on quickly.
With this, it's months of work and extrapolation into something that will linger and be the prime focus of the game for six months.
It won't be, "oh. Space dinosaurs this week, cowboys the next, and then six episodes aboard my ship of fairly grounded stuff."
We're going to be living inside this episode for six months.
It's not so much that Star Trek can't have a cutaway or mention or episode about space dinosaurs with lasers. It can. It's that this is going to be a disproportionate focus on something that would work best at the margins of Trek, not as the focus of six months of gameplay.
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I used to have tons of those record/comic things as a kid.
This ^
Can read it, and it looks awesome.
Can look at it, and it looks awesome.
When trying to read it/look at it...in relation to Star Trek...well, the awesome starts to fade.
Based on previous blog posts, discussions here and there, some folks are wondering if the poll wasn't rigged. Voth? How many folks had to look up the Voth to see what they even were? One episode out of how many hundreds of episodes and they become a featured enemy?
It all comes off as a Geko Pet Project. Go figure, the guy named Captain Geko...wanting dinosaurs in the game? It's all kind of fishy...sorry, it may be tinfoil hat time - but that's how it's looking.
As long as he doesn't ask for 1 million quatloos we should be safe.
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Yes because humans would never use animals in war and combat, never use dogs to blow up tanks...and why would something that comes from Earth have the same way of thinking humans don't think the same from different regions over hundreds of years.....so why would a spices millions of years apart even think the same.
I've seen weirder things within the star trek universe.
So seriously, don't insult other's intelligence; it doesn't make you look good
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
And I wish
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
An "Alien" race that originated on Earth during the Jurassic Age.
Its pretty obvious you know nothing about the Voth.
Difference is, these Dino's did not decide to chat to the crew first and find out whats going on, and they did not have a T-rex with friggin laser beams running round after them either...
They was stuck on a world, I have read it also and its completely different...
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If you want defensive, try giving them some uber-powerful defense shield or something that you have to actually think your way through.
ROFL
I dont know guys.. Trek is an open universe (due to the canon = JJ mess) I say we give it a chance.. As long as the Voth stay out of the alpha quadrant at least most of the game will stay SOMEWHAT cannon... I want this high level prey to fight the borg.. (Yes political and strategic manipulation) maybe pull them both back to Elachi and watch the chaos from afar... Yet again I am only a "trekkie" not a "trekker" so my demands on this MMO are fun only this new season has potential to be great or smash the game off the market if people are truly going to canonize it to oblivion.. In the end noone is forcing you to play any specific facet of the game (or the game itself for that matter..) Get over it or get offline.:eek:
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THIS WHOLE SPHERE THING LOOKS AWESOME.
Seriously.
While you're at it. Add a mech slot to our ground crew roster. I'd love to have a laser raptor or T-Rex to replace my redshirt. Ooh and a Tholian gundam mech.
I don't mind even having the T-rex downsized to fun size just so he can fit inside doors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH1XGdu-hzQ
:eek:
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When I was a kid I built starships and bridge sets out of legos and put every toy I had as a starship crew including my little lego men, mcdonalds toys, and much more. Fighting dinosaurs with laser beams on their heads on a ground map during a Star Trek mission with the captain I created is like a childhood dream come true. This is my playset as a kid, and its probably the same for many, many other people as well. It may be hard to wrap your mind around, but that just means you lack creativity. Don't ruin this for the rest of us...
Humans also have equipped animals with technical gadgets and used them in warfare for ages, the Klingons use them, too, hell the Gorn even already have kinda dinosaur-y beasts, to think the voth use their favourite animals for war isn't al that far fetched.
That being said, the design feels awfully toyetic and while my inner child absolutely loves them, the cynic in me feels I'm way to old for stuff like this.
Also, I really hope the Storywriters can actually give us a plausible reason for all three factions to be at war. Right now, with all the talk of the voth being defensive and not aggressive in nature, it feels like it's shaping up to be one of these incredibly frustrating episodes of old superhero cartoons where you know that hero one is a good guy, hero two is a good guy, too and those Idiots wouldn't be fighting at all if they'd just be smart enough to take a moment and bloody talk to each other.
With the Ridiculous number of enemys the Federation is making there should realy be a chance to actually make new allies once in a while, especially since the Iconians have been coming... any minute now... like... for real! Very Soon! ...for a while now.
Join Starfleet,
Boldly go where no man has gone before,
Meet interesting new species, and Kill them!
Might take a while to cook up a good texture but perhaps a generic metalic texture in place of the skin texture as a proof of concept could be applied and rendered then players given a choice between the two?
Either way the T-Rex will be in the game but will be less jurrasic park and more sci fi.
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I'm replying on mobile or I'd go into more depth but I don't think you're wrong.
I'd like cowboys and space TRIBBLE and Greek gods and the Bringloidi space Irish and the like in this game too.
But there's a big presentation difference. Trek would hit those things fast and hard and be onto something else next week. In fact, a TV show budget and presentation style encouraged moving on quickly.
With this, it's months of work and extrapolation into something that will linger and be the prime focus of the game for six months.
It won't be, "oh. Space dinosaurs this week, cowboys the next, and then six episodes aboard my ship of fairly grounded stuff."
We're going to be living inside this episode for six months.
It's not so much that Star Trek can't have a cutaway or mention or episode about space dinosaurs with lasers. It can. It's that this is going to be a disproportionate focus on something that would work best at the margins of Trek, not as the focus of six months of gameplay.
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