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Re: The Voth's Bio-Engineered Dinos

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  • enkemenenkemen Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I would guess that the number of ventral and dorsal thrusters is greater than the number of port and starboard thrusters, due to surface area restrictions -- hence, the axial tilt as the ship turns.
  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    khayuung wrote: »
    There's no atmosphere to flap against.

    Very good point. What we should be asking for is pterodactyl hangar pets in EV suits with reaction control thrusters. :P
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  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I would say a ship banking in a turn would help the inertial dampeners a bit. Some of that turning force redirected to the 'gravity' down vector.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    oh no not another dinos in space thread
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    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • rexyfrexyf Member Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    To those who say Dinosaurs in Star Trek are too ridiculous... We're talking about a Universe where Wesley Crusher became a God-being. That is all.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    rexyf wrote: »
    To those who say Dinosaurs in Star Trek are too ridiculous... We're talking about a Universe where Wesley Crusher became a God-being. That is all.

    this wins post of the year^^^^^^^^^^
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    so a while back but not 4 years ago they posted a vote on what series to expand on.

    the numbers for voyager looked way to high to me . but they won. and truthfully I didn't think they had over 1000 active forum members right now anyways. then then release notes #4 comes out and they say this

    " We?ve been toying with the idea of using them as a villain group in Star Trek Online for quite a while now. We started doing initial Voth creature sketches back in 2010, but they were shelved when we decided to go in a different direction. The Sphere has finally given us the perfect venue to bring this group to life.

    We knew immediately that in order to make this group a really interesting player experience it was going to need a lot of variety. We talked with the game design team and started to get a feel for what they wanted to see in the species. We kicked around a lot of ideas and had some debates about how to represent them. The Voth in "Distant Origin" (Star Trek: Voyager, Ep 3?23) are portrayed as highly evolved scientists, and we wondered whether or not they would even have a military. In the end, we decided that it would be in the game?s best interest to design the Voth in the Sphere as a technologically advanced group of soldiers. We talked about everything from mechs and dinosaurs to flying creatures and super soldiers. At one point our Lead Designer, CaptainGeko, said, ?all I want is dinosaurs with frickin? laser beams on their heads!? We all chuckled, and then he said, ?I?m being serious; this is a game. Let?s have some fun!? "


    from what they say here looks like they already knew what direction they wanted to go long before they ever took the vote. because if all the work on these ships and other art work were really as hard to do as they say it is this much content had to of been in the works long before the vote was even posted.


    so we get dino riders I really hope the makers ( Tyco Toys, and Marvel action universe) of that cartoon series sues their asses off if we get one dino with weapons mounted on it. because I watched some of that 1988 series just to see what it was and while some of the dinos were ridden they were also some equipped with weapons and no rider.
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  • daedalus304daedalus304 Member Posts: 1,049 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    daan2006 wrote: »
    this wins post of the year^^^^^^^^^^

    oh TRIBBLE that's right...I forgot about that.

    definately a winning post
  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    a couple of things


    1st to daan and the greek god bashing watch this episode



    2nd to the dino with lasers on their head lovers. I really hope the makers ( Mattel, Tyco Toys, and Marvel action universe) of that cartoon series sues their asses off if we get one dino with weapons mounted on it.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    icsairguns wrote: »
    1st to daan and the greek god bashing watch this episode

    first off im not bashing my main toon name is Hera of the IRW Jupiter and secondly im trying to make a point that you missed and lastly leave my sig out of your nit pick
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    daan2006 wrote: »
    first off im not bashing all my toon name is Hera of the IRW Jupiter and secondly im trying to make a point that you missed

    I don't think I missed the point I have seen in plenty of your posts is that you like the idea if the dinos with lasers on their heads.


    I don't have a problem with the voth gorn or even the reptile xindi that's all fine just in the case of voth if they evolved into what they are now why are the dino rider wanna be's still war elephants
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    icsairguns wrote: »
    I don't think I missed the point I have seen in plenty of your posts is that you like the idea if the dinos with lasers on their heads.

    if you really been following my posts you would have also seen me say i dont care if it has lasers or not i just want a T-Rex pet
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • rexyfrexyf Member Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    icsairguns wrote: »
    2nd to the dino with lasers on their head lovers. I really hope the makers ( Mattel, Tyco Toys, and Marvel action universe) of that cartoon series sues their asses off if we get one dino with weapons mounted on it.

    How/why would they sue? It's not like there's a copyright on the concept of uparmored dinosaurs. If there was, they'd have to sue creator/s of Dinotopia, Paraworld, Turok, etc. etc. etc.

    Should Star Trek sue Star Wars? They've got a lizard alien that looks like a gorn at a passing glance.

    Maybe Dr. Who should sue Star Trek because of the Borg being like Cyber-men?
  • jumpingjsjumpingjs Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    rexyf wrote: »
    How/why would they sue? It's not like there's a copyright on the concept of uparmored dinosaurs. If there was, they'd have to sue creator/s of Dinotopia, Paraworld, Turok, etc. etc. etc.

    Should Star Trek sue Star Wars? They've got a lizard alien that looks like a gorn at a passing glance.

    Maybe Dr. Who should sue Star Trek because of the Borg being like Cyber-men?

    Woah! Stop this blasmphay!

    THE BORG AND CYBERMEN ARE DIFFERENT.

    Borg, care moer about assimilating, don't use stupid names and designs or ships, they care more about perfection and are generally better than Cypermen. Also, they have sheilds. They do not.

    They are just different sorry.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    jumpingjs wrote: »
    Woah! Stop this blasmphay!

    THE BORG AND CYBERMEN ARE DIFFERENT.

    Borg, care moer about assimilating, don't use stupid names and designs or ships, they care more about perfection and are generally better than Cypermen. Also, they have sheilds. They do not.

    They are just different sorry.

    did not last EP with them did they not have shelids think they where called Cybermen 2.0
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • rexyfrexyf Member Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    jumpingjs wrote: »
    Woah! Stop this blasmphay!

    THE BORG AND CYBERMEN ARE DIFFERENT.

    Borg, care moer about assimilating, don't use stupid names and designs or ships, they care more about perfection and are generally better than Cypermen. Also, they have sheilds. They do not.

    They are just different sorry.

    I said "like Cyber-Men" not "are Cyber-Men"
  • dinoyipidinoyipi Member Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    My first instinct when I read the news post was, "That's absurd!" ...Or something like that. But I'll try to keep an open mind.

    Here's my suggestion: Don't have them as common enemies, but maybe as an occasional boss. You could work something like this into the story:

    "In an attempt to protect the Voth from those who would threaten them, extremist Voth scientists worked on a way to regress their DNA into that of their brutish ancestors."

    (As a disclaimer, I don't believe in evolution, but that's another topic for another day.)

    Please be careful, devs; one wrong move at this, and STO could become an internet punchline.
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  • nebbiosadonzellanebbiosadonzella Member Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    ammonitida wrote: »
    Like a wing of Pterodactylus hanger pets (flying reptile that lived on earth 150m years ago)?

    Gogo, Pterodrones! I would pay Zen for dat. O.O
  • thawitchking3thawitchking3 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    and when i read that dev blog i thought they were joking i really hope they don't add them
  • oracion666oracion666 Member Posts: 338 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    So giant bubbles built around stars, God like beings in the form of Q, and giant weapons of mass destruction that eat planets for fuel are accepted, but a dinosaur race that uses other dinosaurs as weapons is not? Go figure. . .
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  • alpha8no0nealpha8no0ne Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    There are reasons we stopped using War Elephants and other animals in combat though... Heres a hint for the first one... It starts with an E and ends with xplosions...

    Rockets > Dinosaurs

    And I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Starfleet MAY have weapons better than rockets... just MAYBE...

    To use an earlier Jurassic park example, Imagine you are stuck in that movie... only instead of children and marginally competent adults you have trained soldiers, TANKS and are backed by air support... Now imagine your "air support" is a starship with enough firepower to kill entire biospheres... You'd be asking yourself, do I really need this bucket to put whats left of that dinosaur in? I mean the poor thing fits in a thimble now...

    The only use for Dinosaurs I can possible think of in Star Trek (aside food sources) is for moving goods... but honestly if you can build city ships...
  • kortaagkortaag Member Posts: 525
    edited October 2013
    oracion666 wrote: »
    So giant bubbles built around stars, God like beings in the form of Q, and giant weapons of mass destruction that eat planets for fuel are accepted, but a dinosaur race that uses other dinosaurs as weapons is not? Go figure. . .

    So honestly have a look:

    Because of this..

    Now I can swallow the warrior thing even though their society was based on a string of nonviolence. Even though they exhibit an aggression, they are never overtly aggressive in the way of violence. Natural defenses at best. They capture voyager because they feel threatened. However I was hoping for an ensemble that didn't look as though the voth just came back from a vacation at world of war craft.

    And this species keeps a t-rex with a laser on it's head? I'm not staunchly canon in ideology. The game needs flexibility and creativity but as Tuvoc put it, "logic is an integral part of narrative structure..." "...a character's actions must flow inexorably from his or her established traits." So warrior-thing, sure. I'd turn the other cheek.

    And this..

    Another measure of precaution. They'd only want to meet if they're proven non violent.


    The only voth example we got setting the stage. But the lasers on t-rex heads is a jagged pill.
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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I'm beginning to think that OP doesn't like that there is something new and creative being applied here. I mean cmon, they did something new and creative with the breen by adding in the deferi, no complaints. They put the tholians in and EVEN MESSED WITH CANON WITH THE TEMPORAL AMBASSADOR MISSION, and still no complaints. And then they added in LoR and added even MORE races and things those races did (IE the Suliban, added in even more story for the Remans and Romulans), and yet... you add in a very VERY minor species that made ONE appearance in ONE episode of Voyager, and go completely out into left field... and all of a sudden that's bad?

    I have no idea what the issue is... I really don't. Perhaps you can enlighten me OP.
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  • tekehdtekehd Member Posts: 2,032 Arc User
    edited October 2013
  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    jeffel82 wrote: »
    Very good point. What we should be asking for is pterodactyl hangar pets in EV suits with reaction control thrusters. :P

    Now THIS I can get behind. >:D

    Pterradrones!


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  • kortaagkortaag Member Posts: 525
    edited October 2013
    I'm beginning to think that OP doesn't like that there is something new and creative being applied here

    Really? Yeah I really dislike creativity. You should come over for a book burning I regularly hold on sundays. It's got generic water and unsalted crackers cause I wouldn't want anybody to have too much fun.

    Really lame, fella.
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  • bpharmabpharma Member Posts: 2,022
    edited October 2013
    And what about his other points about how this is one single race that made exactly one appearance in all of Star Trek? What about all the other stuff too? I mean even Nero is mentioned in the mission but I thought that was a different timeline, yet still his going off in a mining ship causing mass destruction is mentioned.

    The point we're trying to make is that in context with the rest of the game this isn't a major issue. You want your canon preserved, call this a radical faction that believe in socialism or communism or whatever boogie men you hate.

    But you know, I'll say it again, call Gecko everything you want in terms of his ability or whatever but he was bang on the money when he said we should do it because it's a game and meant to be fun.

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  • fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    OK, turning in space. Here is how it should go according to my limited scientific insight.

    The ship has several trusters to change it attitude. At the underside is a big booster. Say you move forward and want to make a 90 degree turn to the right. You let the ship roll to its right for 90 degrees, than you hit the bottom booster to go up in a 90 degree turn. Once the new heading is established, you can accelarate with the main forward boosters again.

    Why? We have artificial gravity in the spaceship. To have the most economical and comfortable experience of changing direction, the best thing to do is going only up. The inside gravitational force field has only to be adjusted so that the crew experiences minor g-forces. Just my idea of how things can work.
  • hasukurobihasukurobi Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    scarrn wrote: »
    I completely agree.

    STO is not a cross between "My Little Pony" and Halo, nor should it be made into such.

    It does not FEEL right.

    CUTE has it's place, like in a three year old girl's stuffed toy.

    Please do not make this into something it should not be.

    Seriously.

    I would LOVE it being a cross between Halo and My Little Pony!


    However, I do not support Dinosaurs with Freakin' LAZORS Attached to their heads.
  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I'm beginning to think that OP doesn't like that there is something new and creative being applied here. I mean cmon, they did something new and creative with the breen by adding in the deferi, no complaints. They put the tholians in and EVEN MESSED WITH CANON WITH THE TEMPORAL AMBASSADOR MISSION, and still no complaints. And then they added in LoR and added even MORE races and things those races did (IE the Suliban, added in even more story for the Remans and Romulans), and yet... you add in a very VERY minor species that made ONE appearance in ONE episode of Voyager, and go completely out into left field... and all of a sudden that's bad?

    I have no idea what the issue is... I really don't. Perhaps you can enlighten me OP.

    sry, but:
    - we already have "lightsabres" (yeah, we do)

    - they created 14 new ships for voth and not a single kdf for a loooong time?

    - they designed 14 ships that all of the people i talked about with would label as star
    wars ships or handguns

    - they're adding dinosaurs with frikking lazerz on their head... that sketch just looks like
    a blank copy of some toys from the 80's (yep, it has been there)
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