Who cares about PvPers any ways there all just badass wanabes with over sized egos that only talk ****
They'd say the same for PvE only they've been methodically angered at being promised better pvp components and then being sold short every season that's released. You'd know this but you're probably not one to brave the mad genius mechanics that go into pvp to begin with.
Hmm as i read this.. Maybe we have all been trolled and "Frickin" is some sort of word in voth language and the name of their weapons. I wonder what kind of proc "Frickin" lasers have. Since normally lasers are quite oldschool compared to phasers.
Also will we get elite fleet frickin laser dual heavy cannons or will they be restricted to frickin laser beams?
World's your oyster now. I'm not saunchly canon but if they can take the only portrayal of the voth and completely pervert them into dino rider mech warriors then I have little faith just like most have lost theirs already. Up until now mine was patched together with hope that we'd eventually get something of substance going and I thought that after the LoR release that it was starting to shape up. I'm not one to never admit when I'm wrong. I'm so wrong now. Gecko's rogue step out of star trek and into mech warrior and Daniel Stahl's failure of oversight made that possible.
I am not offended by dinosaurs in a Star Trek video game. I will keep an open mind and judge accordingly AFTER I've played content in Season 8.
I'm not either. I just protest this low brow idea about putting lasers on extinct species' faces that got across quality assurance. When the voth were (taken?) from earth or they evolved without leaving any trace of tech on earth I highly doubt they took other dino's with them and said "You know what? Let's just put lasers on their heads because that might be useful."
Same thing with the mech warrior thing. Now everybody's gunna stomp around in mech warrior suits. Thanks a lot Gecko. Real smooth stepping outside of star trek for your selfish whims.
Also the protest dinos with lasers on their heads thread was magically deleted and then routed to this thread where the op actually supports the ridiculous idea.
Looks like my protest thread got under gecko's skin. Thanks a lot for muffling your feedback there fella and yes we no know you don't take feedback very well, now at least. No wonder you got away with copy right infringement and your off-whim ridiculous idea.
Is it the fact we are getting dinosaurs that you're against, or just the fact they have lasers on their heads? If we had non weaponised dino's, would you be ok with that?
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Is it the fact we are getting dinosaurs that you're against, or just the fact they have lasers on their heads? If we had non weaponised dino's, would you be ok with that?
Neither really. I'm not a staunch believer in canon per se. It's just that we only have 1 example of the voth and everything they're doing is completely opposite of that example. The valuable premise of that interaction is that even though they evolve from dino's and seperated over time and space they were more human than first expected.
Even when they have Chakotay detained there is no weapon, no mech armor being used to force them into a court of their sense of justice. Albeit bigoted in ideology they were non violent and the punishment they issue the voyager crew was a mere sentence of isolating them to a work camp. The farthest from a xenophobe race.
The voth could have been an awesome addition if their non violent tech was used within game. Like their incredible transwarp ability. They went from discovering a human carcass way back in the beginning episodes to catching up with the vessel itself after it had traveled so far already. It'd be nice to own a voth ship (a twist from canon and an obvious choice for lock boxing) and enter a transwarp state that may have taken some time to reach a destination but you'd have access to any system/sector you wanted to travel to.
As much as it would have been nice to see the countermeasure and decompiler skills getting some love from the technology they exhibited in that voyager episode. Plenty of room to expand upon.
It does look cool, yes. Secretly I think we all enjoy seeing dinos brought back to life somehow but they could have done it with class.
Instead they turned them into world of war craft style warrior-race with mech warrior suits and dinosaurs with lasers on their head. To me, that's the same as turning the entire voyager series into a mention that it was actually a war ship sent to the delta quadrant to plunder that sector.
Also the protest dinos with lasers on their heads thread was magically deleted and then routed to this thread where the op actually supports the ridiculous idea.
Looks like my protest thread got under gecko's skin. Thanks a lot for muffling your feedback there fella and yes we no know you don't take feedback very well, now at least. No wonder you got away with copy right infringement and your off-whim ridiculous idea.
Gecko does not run the forums that's what Brandon and the mods do...also we don't need 15 different threads on the same subject hech it was merged not deleted.
Gecko does not run the forums that's what Brandon and the mods do...also we don't need 15 different threads on the same subject hech it was merged not deleted.
Whodunnit doesn't matter. The thread was made in difference to protest their premature vision of the voth and diluted under a pro-dino laser headed thread. That's muffling.
Neither really. I'm not a staunch believer in canon per se. It's just that we only have 1 example of the voth and everything they're doing is completely opposite of that example. The valuable premise of that interaction is that even though they evolve from dino's and seperated over time and space they were more human than first expected.
Even when they have Chakotay detained there is no weapon, no mech armor being used to force them into a court of their sense of justice. Albeit bigoted in ideology they were non violent and the punishment they issue the voyager crew was a mere sentence of isolating them to a work camp. The farthest from a xenophobe race.
The voth could have been an awesome addition if their non violent tech was used within game. Like their incredible transwarp ability. They went from discovering a human carcass way back in the beginning episodes to catching up with the vessel itself after it had traveled so far already. It'd be nice to own a voth ship (a twist from canon and an obvious choice for lock boxing) and enter a transwarp state that may have taken some time to reach a destination but you'd have access to any system/sector you wanted to travel to.
As much as it would have been nice to see the countermeasure and decompiler skills getting some love from the technology they exhibited in that voyager episode. Plenty of room to expand upon.
It does look cool, yes. Secretly I think we all enjoy seeing dinos brought back to life somehow but they could have done it with class.
Instead they turned them into world of war craft style warrior-race with mech warrior suits and dinosaurs with lasers on their head. To me, that's the same as turning the entire voyager series into a mention that it was actually a war ship sent to the delta quadrant to plunder that sector.
I think the reason these Voth aren't acting like the ones we saw in the series is that, when that one Voth scientist brought the Distant Theory, some young Voth might've revolted or something. We don't KNOW what happened to the Voth after the discovery the Voth scientist made, what happened to the people when they learned of this. I bet there was a schism between the people: those who stubbornly adhere to the Doctrine and those who embraced the Distant Theory.
The possibilities are THERE, just because we didn't SEE them in the show doesn't mean we can't feel them in game.
I think the reason these Voth aren't acting like the ones we saw in the series is that, when that one Voth scientist brought the Distant Theory, some young Voth might've revolted or something. We don't KNOW what happened to the Voth after the discovery the Voth scientist made, what happened to the people when they learned of this. I bet there was a schism between the people: those who stubbornly adhere to the Doctrine and those who embraced the Distant Theory.
The possibilities are THERE, just because we didn't SEE them in the show doesn't mean we can't feel them in game.
Your point is valid. It was also addressed and you may have known that if the protest thread wasn't muffled. The episode however does set a standard that this is how all voth behave as seen with their reasonable discourse in action, mention of doctrine, lack of extreme violence, lack of xenophobia.
If the devs had any decency beyond perverting the only example and muffling our voices they'd add that backstory. Keep your fingers crossed, that's bout all you can do since feedback apparently doesn't work.
Your point is valid. It was also addressed and you may have known that if the protest thread wasn't muffled. The episode however does set a standard that this is how all voth behave as seen with their reasonable discourse in action, mention of doctrine, lack of extreme violence, lack of xenophobia.
If the devs had any decency beyond perverting the only example and muffling our voices they'd add that backstory. Keep your fingers crossed, that's bout all you can do since feedback apparently doesn't work.
Like I said in the other thread.... I think you're holding the Voth to too high of a standard. They were seen in Voyager to NOT be above murder, torture, and deception to protect their interests. So it makes perfect sense to them to also be willing to use direct military action when a situation presents itself.
Like I said in the other thread.... I think you're holding the Voth to too high of a standard. They were seen in Voyager to NOT be above murder, torture, and deception to protect their interests. So it makes perfect sense to them to also be willing to use direct military action when a situation presents itself.
Oh really? Here's your challenge. Provide a link that shows they want to murder the crew. Go ahead because you can't do it.
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Ironic how the episode where this all comes from plays a part in this discussion, no? Give the dinos a shot, as well as the story the writers have cooked up. It may not be as bad as many of you fear.
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".... Change is difficult. New ideas are often greeted with scepticism and even fear. But sometimes those ideas are accepted, and when they are, progress is made ~ Chakotay, Distant Origin"
Ironic how the episode where this all comes from plays a part in this discussion, no? Give the dinos a shot, as well as the story the writers have cooked up. It may not be as bad as many of you fear.
If you've read any of my posts you'd see I am more than willing to accept the warrior thing but the mech warrior and dinosaucer thing is a jagged pill to swallow. It's inappropriate.
The mechs, I can agree with. I don't recall anybody in Trek using mechs in combat, but then again, I don't see why not. As for the dinos, it just requires a different view point. For instance mankind has used its own animals for war. Dogs, elephants, horses, dolphins, etc etc. We use what we have. The Voth just have more terrifying creatures at their disposal.
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Mecha aren't in star trek purely because of budgetary concerns, they really don't go against anything ST stands for.
The dinorider stuff is just for fun as they said in the dev blog. Star Trek is not exactly hard science fiction. It's full of zany and crazy things that were added because they are fun or interesting or simply because the writers ran out of ideas.
I always saw ST like Doctor Who, when they did something completely crazy that I just couldn't accept, I simply shrugged my shoulders and waited for the next episode.
They imprison their own people in detention colonies for disputing their religious beliefs.
We cannot ignore the fact that they force undesirable members of their society into isolation, and they have more than one of them.
Those are not signs of a lovey-dovey tree hugging we are the world enlightened peaceful society.
And since it's established canon that a significant percentage of the Voth species are dissidents to the ones Voyager encountered it is perfectly reasonable that they don't behave as you would like to imagine.
You're using your imagination. The voth in that episode spoke with authority for all the voth. Nobody said they were peaceful either just non violent and nothing you say or anything you stretch will counter that point because we only have one episode to work with, all of which are not the blood thirsty species you've been talking about. Get a grip.
Mecha aren't in star trek purely because of budgetary concerns, they really don't go against anything ST stands for.
The dinorider stuff is just for fun as they said in the dev blog. Star Trek is not exactly hard science fiction. It's full of zany and crazy things that were added because they are fun or interesting or simply because the writers ran out of ideas.
I always saw ST like Doctor Who, when they did something completely crazy that I just couldn't accept, I simply shrugged my shoulders and waited for the next episode.
I love Dr Who. Very campy and fun but that's what they ran off of for years. Being campy and fun. ST however was much more uniformed in its portrayals and only divulged into campy when writers wanted to break from status quo. And that's where we get Q from.
You're using your imagination. The voth in that episode spoke with authority for all the voth. Nobody said they were peaceful either just non violent and nothing you say or anything you stretch will counter that point because we only have one episode to work with, all of which are not the blood thirsty species you've been talking about. Get a grip.
"Non-violent"? a non-violent race doesn't torture and imprison it's own citizens for voicing dissent.
"Non-violent"? a non-violent race doesn't torture and imprison it's own citizens for voicing dissent.
You keep saying that, yet you can't prove it because it never happened in the episode. As soon as the voth ministry got what they wanted they let the crew go and reassigned a scientist. Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.
You're the one that needs to get a grip. Do you honestly think sentient beings voluntarily and peacefully allow themselves to be relocated and kept for the rest of their lives in detention "colonies" because they were told to go in a peaceful fashion?
Places like that are enforced with the threat and application of violence.
And there is nothing more bloodthirsty than religious fanatics.
I like your imagination. I'm sure it'll come in handy some day.
You keep saying that, yet you can't prove it because it never happened in the episode. As soon as the voth ministry got what they wanted they let the crew go and reassigned a scientist. Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.
Really? Did you miss the part in the episode where they talk about what happens to anyone who goes against doctrine? Did you pay attention to the description of the Voth authorities who "persuaded" Tova Veer to recant Distant Origin?
Really? Did you miss the part in the episode where they talk about what happens to anyone who goes against doctrine? Did you pay attention to the description of the Voth authorities who "persuaded" Tova Veer to recant Distant Origin?
Wow.. Even your own source which is fan-written doesn't even say the assistant was tortured just threatened and he was. He was threatened with a lesser social status.
Seriously just go watch the episode. It's on Netflix and easily viewed. Stop being lazy and imaginative.
However, if you've read any of my posts with any thoughtfulness you'll know exactly where we're coming from but that would require you to be thoughtful as well. So far I'm just not seeing you being reasonable in the slightest.
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What a.. childish thing to say.
They'd say the same for PvE only they've been methodically angered at being promised better pvp components and then being sold short every season that's released. You'd know this but you're probably not one to brave the mad genius mechanics that go into pvp to begin with.
World's your oyster now. I'm not saunchly canon but if they can take the only portrayal of the voth and completely pervert them into dino rider mech warriors then I have little faith just like most have lost theirs already. Up until now mine was patched together with hope that we'd eventually get something of substance going and I thought that after the LoR release that it was starting to shape up. I'm not one to never admit when I'm wrong. I'm so wrong now. Gecko's rogue step out of star trek and into mech warrior and Daniel Stahl's failure of oversight made that possible.
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I'm not either. I just protest this low brow idea about putting lasers on extinct species' faces that got across quality assurance. When the voth were (taken?) from earth or they evolved without leaving any trace of tech on earth I highly doubt they took other dino's with them and said "You know what? Let's just put lasers on their heads because that might be useful."
Same thing with the mech warrior thing. Now everybody's gunna stomp around in mech warrior suits. Thanks a lot Gecko. Real smooth stepping outside of star trek for your selfish whims.
Sharknado anyone? lol
I get a good laugh every time Space Channel airs this movie that shows sharks flying and killing people while airborne because of a tornado...lol
I mean who the hell would actually want to watch that?
Looks like my protest thread got under gecko's skin. Thanks a lot for muffling your feedback there fella and yes we no know you don't take feedback very well, now at least. No wonder you got away with copy right infringement and your off-whim ridiculous idea.
Is it the fact we are getting dinosaurs that you're against, or just the fact they have lasers on their heads? If we had non weaponised dino's, would you be ok with that?
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Neither really. I'm not a staunch believer in canon per se. It's just that we only have 1 example of the voth and everything they're doing is completely opposite of that example. The valuable premise of that interaction is that even though they evolve from dino's and seperated over time and space they were more human than first expected.
Even when they have Chakotay detained there is no weapon, no mech armor being used to force them into a court of their sense of justice. Albeit bigoted in ideology they were non violent and the punishment they issue the voyager crew was a mere sentence of isolating them to a work camp. The farthest from a xenophobe race.
The voth could have been an awesome addition if their non violent tech was used within game. Like their incredible transwarp ability. They went from discovering a human carcass way back in the beginning episodes to catching up with the vessel itself after it had traveled so far already. It'd be nice to own a voth ship (a twist from canon and an obvious choice for lock boxing) and enter a transwarp state that may have taken some time to reach a destination but you'd have access to any system/sector you wanted to travel to.
As much as it would have been nice to see the countermeasure and decompiler skills getting some love from the technology they exhibited in that voyager episode. Plenty of room to expand upon.
It does look cool, yes. Secretly I think we all enjoy seeing dinos brought back to life somehow but they could have done it with class.
Instead they turned them into world of war craft style warrior-race with mech warrior suits and dinosaurs with lasers on their head. To me, that's the same as turning the entire voyager series into a mention that it was actually a war ship sent to the delta quadrant to plunder that sector.
Gecko does not run the forums that's what Brandon and the mods do...also we don't need 15 different threads on the same subject hech it was merged not deleted.
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Whodunnit doesn't matter. The thread was made in difference to protest their premature vision of the voth and diluted under a pro-dino laser headed thread. That's muffling.
The possibilities are THERE, just because we didn't SEE them in the show doesn't mean we can't feel them in game.
Your point is valid. It was also addressed and you may have known that if the protest thread wasn't muffled. The episode however does set a standard that this is how all voth behave as seen with their reasonable discourse in action, mention of doctrine, lack of extreme violence, lack of xenophobia.
If the devs had any decency beyond perverting the only example and muffling our voices they'd add that backstory. Keep your fingers crossed, that's bout all you can do since feedback apparently doesn't work.
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Oh really? Here's your challenge. Provide a link that shows they want to murder the crew. Go ahead because you can't do it.
Ironic how the episode where this all comes from plays a part in this discussion, no? Give the dinos a shot, as well as the story the writers have cooked up. It may not be as bad as many of you fear.
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If you've read any of my posts you'd see I am more than willing to accept the warrior thing but the mech warrior and dinosaucer thing is a jagged pill to swallow. It's inappropriate.
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The dinorider stuff is just for fun as they said in the dev blog. Star Trek is not exactly hard science fiction. It's full of zany and crazy things that were added because they are fun or interesting or simply because the writers ran out of ideas.
I always saw ST like Doctor Who, when they did something completely crazy that I just couldn't accept, I simply shrugged my shoulders and waited for the next episode.
You're using your imagination. The voth in that episode spoke with authority for all the voth. Nobody said they were peaceful either just non violent and nothing you say or anything you stretch will counter that point because we only have one episode to work with, all of which are not the blood thirsty species you've been talking about. Get a grip.
I love Dr Who. Very campy and fun but that's what they ran off of for years. Being campy and fun. ST however was much more uniformed in its portrayals and only divulged into campy when writers wanted to break from status quo. And that's where we get Q from.
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You keep saying that, yet you can't prove it because it never happened in the episode. As soon as the voth ministry got what they wanted they let the crew go and reassigned a scientist. Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.
I like your imagination. I'm sure it'll come in handy some day.
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Wow.. Even your own source which is fan-written doesn't even say the assistant was tortured just threatened and he was. He was threatened with a lesser social status.
Seriously just go watch the episode. It's on Netflix and easily viewed. Stop being lazy and imaginative.
However, if you've read any of my posts with any thoughtfulness you'll know exactly where we're coming from but that would require you to be thoughtful as well. So far I'm just not seeing you being reasonable in the slightest.