My favorite event for "fun" is tour - no joke, ask anyone in my fleet
The event was nerfed so hard, they might as well have removed it entirely
I am, consequently, not having fun
To continue playing, I would like fun to return, and I have every intention of expressing my displeasure and have made suggestions for fixes earlier in the thread
If that's the only thing you did for fun in the game, you have issues..... And how does this prevent you from having fun with the event anyways? All it really does is prevent you from doing it multiple times with 1 char.
I think we and most defiantly you are starting to hit a few nerves with all the post's against this change to OUR tour.
I PWE & Crypt both need to sit down and rethink the changes they have made here and put the tour back to how it was or put in place a cooldown for people who are dropping the tour before talking yim and the other dude :P.
ive never done the Tour nor will i ever( especially now lol ) but it was VERY RUDE on Cryptic's part to stealth nerf it, then to tell us about it after the damage has been done. They have NO Honor OR RESPECT for us. This is an awesome game but they are slowly destroying it with there version on how the game should be ( Escorts Online anyone? ). NOT how it actually is in all the episodes. Cryptic has a very bad track record with the community. This is really not surprising but if they keep doing this, they will run everyone off from this game. A Bad Reputation follows everyone, including Cryptic.
I think we and most defiantly you are starting to hit a few nerves with all the post's against this change to OUR tour.
not really, all they have to do is start banning accounts. If an over 230 page thread about the gal and gal-x does not phase them even after people have already said they would throw money at it, it is highly unlikely they care about this thread at all.
besides that, the mods have nothing to do with what is changed in-game, they are just enforcing the rules
I think we and most defiantly you are starting to hit a few nerves with all the post's against this change to OUR tour.
I PWE & Crypt both need to sit down and rethink the changes they have made here and put the tour back to how it was or put in place a cooldown for people who are dropping the tour before talking yim and the other dude :P.
Let's keep this going
He's not hitting any nerves at all. He just keeps breaking forum rules and getting penalized for it.
Look at this logically. There are just over 600 points in this thread - many by a small group of people who just keep posting over and over, so not even 600 different people. But even if you got 1,000 different people to agree with you what percentage of the fan-base is that? If there are 100,000 people playing STO, that's 1% agreeing with you. If there are 200,000 people playing STO it's 1/2 of 1% agreeing with you, and so on. The forum is not a majority opinion. It's an extreme minority of the overall player-base.
Cryptic will analyze how it affects their bottom line spread out over hundreds of thousands of players; not on what 100 people on the forum say. The changes to Dilithium rewards a few months back were far more extensive and radical to the player-base then the changes to the Tour and yet those changes are still in place. Think about that.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
There's one way you can force that to happen: Don't buy from the exchange until prices crash. Exchange price gougers think like manipulators; they claim they regulate their price according to supply and demand. You really want to test if it's true? You can call their bluff. Don't buy anything from the exchange and see if prices drop. My intuition is that they'll sooner trash their items in rage than sell for less or hoard them until they can sell for top bullion again. Regardless, if you want to convert the exchange from a seller's market to a buyer's market, regular players need to think like manipulists as well.
Of course the price would drop... because DEMAND drops... hence Supply and Demand.
The only nerves that are going to get hit will belong to the people that get themselves suspended/banned for acting stupid on the forums.
The Mods aren't PWE or Cryptic employees. They are our fellow players who have volunteered their personal time to enforce the forum rules.
its dose not matter who the mods are its about getting our tour back in place the way it was and if it means we have to to whine and moan for a 100+ pages so be it and who will they ban? me? for what saying im upset with the way this matter has been handled as is most of our online community well thats fine but ive not done anything to warrant that
As long as you aren't violating any of the forum rules you are free to express your opinion.
The people that will get their threads/posts moderated, locked, deleted, suspended, or banned will be the ones who can't follow the rules when expressing themselves.
well thats a given but im unsure why you picked my post to quote? i was just giving a thumbs up for trying get a petition up so we can show our support NOT for posting the email from the mods i think you may have miss quote me there
well thats a given but im unsure why you picked my post to quote? i was just giving a thumbs up for trying get a petition up so we can show our support NOT for posting the email from the mods i think you may have miss quote me there
You seemed to believe he was making a difference: that Cryptic had noticed him. The point was his tread wasn't hitting any nerves. Cryptic couldn't care less about what he posted on the forum. His thread was closed because he broke a forum rule, not because he riled Cryptic with what he was saying.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
You seemed to believe he was making a difference: that Cryptic had noticed him. The point was his tread wasn't hitting any nerves. Cryptic couldn't care less about what he posted on the forum. His thread was closed because he broke a forum rule, not because he riled Cryptic with what he was saying.
well thats fine but i still think he had a good idea to see just how many would sign it and try to make thats difference im very sorry for trying to hold some hope that the tour will be put back to how it was
(ill go sit in time out now ive had a telling off )
well thats fine but i still think he had a good idea to see just how many would sign it and try to make thats difference im very sorry for trying to hold some hope that the tour will be put back to how it was
(ill go sit in time out now ive had a telling off )
As was said above, you can try and make all the difference you want. Just don't break any rules while doing it and all is good.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Devs do in fact listen to player's opinions and sometimes implement our suggestions. Case in point: Risan mail. There originally was no mail ability on Risa special event, a fact that had many players raise their eyebrows. In the last 48 hours mail was added in. A great addition that shows Devs can listen and act upon the good suggestion of many player's opinions. I'm going to thank them right now.
The spam warning was likely for making another thread about the same thing.
Now, looking at this logically, even though this thread might be meaningless, it does have some significance.
Namely, while it's true that the this is a minuscule portion of the player base, it is also unrealistic to expect the whole 100K or 200K players to be vocal participants about anything. Now, unfortunately, i couldn't find any kind of member count or roster in this forum, though admittedly, i'm new, but i'm sure some of you out there will be able to make an educated guess as to how big this thread is compared to the norm.
Whatever the case, any manifestation of a large group of people - at least the way i see it, doesn't usually represent them and them alone. If four thousand people gather on public square to protest raised taxes, and the country has a hundred thousand, it's pretty naive to think that the other 996K think the new taxes are gravy, just because they didn't show up. What that manifestation provides is a sample of the whole.
Now, applying it here, and as i said before, i truly believe the influence this here thread has over anyone in a decision making position is zero. At best, it may be statistic, if that.
It does, however, show people are unhappy. Enough so that some players (like yours truly) jacked up their post count on it alone, meaning that out of every matter that passes through these boards, this was the one they finally cared enough to talk about.
Now, out there are all kinds of players, those 100 or 200K, and they all have their own opinions on this. I know how during that first nerfed tour, all the chat box read was about the nerf. They may not have a voice they're inclined to raise, but what they do have are wallets.
Now, maybe they'll speak with them, maybe they won't, and even if they do, like it has been said, worse nerfs have happened and nothing seems to have changed. Or maybe a lot of players did already quit, like many always do, but there's always that inflow of new blood that keeps the game going.
Either way, though, i do believe in some sort of common awareness among the crowd, and that thing can't be ignored, threatened, suspended or banned. It can, however, be inflamed, which is my feeling it has been steadily becoming. I mean, look at me: i've been here for a couple months at most, and i already get from a while back the impression that there's this big stonewall between the players and the developers that didn't use to be there at all just a few years prior.
So yeah, while i think the execs care nothing about this little get-together we got going here, this sort of thing does serve it's purpose, and is by no means without consequence or influence. Just don't be surprised you take longer to see results than doing the rep system fifty times over.
TRIBBLE, i almost deleted this thing outright after i saw how big it got. Sorry about that.
As was said above, you can try and make all the difference you want. Just don't break any rules while doing it and all is good.
im not trying or going to break any rule im just trying to help and get our voices and points of view across if they sit up and listen well its a start if not well then were just have to do our best to carry on but if we do nothing and say nothing then they will be more likely to use us as door matts in the future as do as they dam well please and if thats the case then being a gold member will have no value to anyone on here me included if your voice has no echo and money is there only goal and not the online commuity
Seriously, 62 pages of this? You do better in less time running pew pew Foundry missions and maxing out your daily Foundry loot cap. And it's a lot less tedious. Also, it was an exploit. We all knew it was an exploit. Just as doubling up the B'Tran dilithium was an exploit, and the old quickie Investigate Officer Reports missions were an exploit. Cryptic finally decided to put the smack down on it, and now we feel entitled? Just accept that the ride is over and move on.
Also, removing an EC exploit has the goal of actually lowering exchange prices in the long term. You know, so you don't need millions of EC to get anything worthwhile. I think this is also part of the logic behind all the Reputation/Fleet Ultra-Rare gear. You can't sell it, and its existence devalues the regular gear, so it helps bring exchange prices in reach of the typical player. This is a good thing overall. Frankly, I hope the Exchange does crash. It needs to.
Devs do in fact listen to player's opinions and sometimes implement our suggestions. Case in point: Risan mail. There originally was no mail ability on Risa special event, a fact that had many players raise their eyebrows. In the last 48 hours mail was added in. A great addition that shows Devs can listen and act upon the good suggestion of many player's opinions. I'm going to thank them right now.
Adding mail to Risa isn't the same thing as making a fundamental change to the game's economy.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Seriously, 62 pages of this? You do better in less time running pew pew Foundry missions and maxing out your daily Foundry loot cap. And it's a lot less tedious. Also, it was an exploit. We all knew it was an exploit. Just as doubling up the B'Tran dilithium was an exploit, and the old quickie Investigate Officer Reports missions were an exploit. Cryptic finally decided to put the smack down on it, and now we feel entitled? Just accept that the ride is over and move on.
Also, removing an EC exploit has the goal of actually lowering exchange prices in the long term. You know, so you don't need millions of EC to get anything worthwhile. I think this is also part of the logic behind all the Reputation/Fleet Ultra-Rare gear. You can't sell it, and its existence devalues the regular gear, so it helps bring exchange prices in reach of the typical player. This is a good thing overall. Frankly, I hope the Exchange does crash. It needs to.
i can see your trying to make a point here but being rude to people only make's them miss the point and you will just end up showing your self up
Personally, since Cryptic isn't going to reverse this, I would like to ask them to fix it a bit better. As it seems the intent of the Tour the Galaxy mision was to only be able to run it once a day, can they please remove this mission from the callendar and make it a standard daily mission so that those of us who have strange hours have a chance of doing it? Or whatever the cooldown is ont he calendar, just transfer that to a normal mission cooldown.
Personally, since Cryptic isn't going to reverse this, I would like to ask them to fix it a bit better. As it seems the intent of the Tour the Galaxy mision was to only be able to run it once a day, can they please remove this mission from the callendar and make it a standard daily mission so that those of us who have strange hours have a chance of doing it? Or whatever the cooldown is ont he calendar, just transfer that to a normal mission cooldown.
I can see your suggestion as being a good solution to this...just make it same as Explore Strange New Worlds as a daily makes much more sense then only allowing players who can be on at a specific time to be able to ever do the mission. The way it is it favors only those who can login at the correct time...
Devs do in fact listen to player's opinions and sometimes implement our suggestions. Case in point: Risan mail. There originally was no mail ability on Risa special event, a fact that had many players raise their eyebrows. In the last 48 hours mail was added in. A great addition that shows Devs can listen and act upon the good suggestion of many player's opinions. I'm going to thank them right now.
Yes, devs do listen to feedback. But if something doesn't change, it usually means that they considered the feedback, and decided it was not in line with their goals or the overall health of the game. They have the advantage of being able to see the big picture of the STO economy. Remember when they added a dilithium cost to crafting? The rage on the these forums was FAR greater then than what is in this thread. Yet, that change stayed. I think we would do well to accept it and move on. You've voiced your opinions. If they revert it, great. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
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I can see your suggestion as being a good solution to this...just make it same as Explore Strange New Worlds as a daily makes much more sense then only allowing players who can be on at a specific time to be able to ever do the mission. The way it is it favors only those who can login at the correct time...
Of course, that'll remove the commonality of everyone getting together to do the tour. Granted, it's not much of a race when it's so much more about the gear you've invested in than actual skill, but doing the course alongside a dozen other cats was a lot of the Tour's charm.
The first solution in this thread i think was the best (second only to not having done this TRIBBLE to begin with, but i digress), make a big payout at the end, and let people make as many legitimate laps as they can.
Actually, had they done that to begin with, my reaction would've been like "huh, touche. Well played", or something of the sort. Sure, i'd still miss the EC, of course, but it would have actually come out as a smart move and not the asinine disproportionate event-destructive clusterflock that it did. And i would've gone for it too.
As it stands, it's just a mockery more than anything, like something a 12 year old would have come up with.
how do we know it was not a twelve year old? for all we know, Cryptic gets its "great ideas" from their employees children, or from monkeys.
Well, we can't disprove it.
In all seriousness, though, i very much doubt decisions like this are made by the developers. I mean, it ran for what, a year? Way i see it, the developers probably let it run all this time until someone from above noticed it and gave the order. That, or there was some executive meeting about wanting to make more money, and they ordered the developers to make it happen somehow.
I mean, it seems to me like one of the big ways to make EC in the game is buying keys with real money and exchanging them. Now, we can go about how the exchange prices will be affected by this and how things will go, but at a glance, i think it would have been a pretty good guess to assume the Tour was competing pretty heavily with that cash-cow.
I don't think it would have taken long at all for Jabba to jump into that wagon.
Of course, that'll remove the commonality of everyone getting together to do the tour. Granted, it's not much of a race when it's so much more about the gear you've invested in than actual skill, but doing the course alongside a dozen other cats was a lot of the Tour's charm.
The first solution in this thread i think was the best (second only to not having done this TRIBBLE to begin with, but i digress), make a big payout at the end, and let people make as many legitimate laps as they can.
Actually, had they done that to begin with, my reaction would've been like "huh, touche. Well played", or something of the sort. Sure, i'd still miss the EC, of course, but it would have actually come out as a smart move and not the asinine disproportionate event-destructive clusterflock that it did. And i would've gone for it too.
As it stands, it's just a mockery more than anything, like something a 12 year old would have come up with.
Ok I have never done this event and in fact I never knew about it until I started to read this thread. I really do like the sound of doing it in a large group of ships, that would be a fantastic event for fleets to do together that's for sure!
I don't see how making it a daily could possibly stop large groups of ships from doing the event at the same time and at the same time only having the event for one hour per day makes it so if I work every day at that time I can never do this event. If it was a daily I could gather my group when I can be online and do it then and have the fun you are describing with the event.
Just make the event timed so when ever you start it you only have an hour to complete it or you fail...and to do that all they would need to do is have some point you have to cross in space outside of Earth Space Dock or the Klingon homeworld and once you do cross that your timer starts and you get a message on your screen Tour the Galaxy event has begun! Good luck to all contestants!
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i received a clear statement from cryptic / perfect world:
a mail from moderator about spamming whith petition...
Now I know what they keep of us players or users.
In the Rules of the forum I could not find anything about petitions, ore that the petition would be spamming... I can also even kidding me!
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I think we and most defiantly you are starting to hit a few nerves with all the post's against this change to OUR tour.
I PWE & Crypt both need to sit down and rethink the changes they have made here and put the tour back to how it was or put in place a cooldown for people who are dropping the tour before talking yim and the other dude :P.
Let's keep this going
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not really, all they have to do is start banning accounts. If an over 230 page thread about the gal and gal-x does not phase them even after people have already said they would throw money at it, it is highly unlikely they care about this thread at all.
besides that, the mods have nothing to do with what is changed in-game, they are just enforcing the rules
For your own good, you should take that PM paste down. There are safer ways to go about what you're doing.
Look at this logically. There are just over 600 points in this thread - many by a small group of people who just keep posting over and over, so not even 600 different people. But even if you got 1,000 different people to agree with you what percentage of the fan-base is that? If there are 100,000 people playing STO, that's 1% agreeing with you. If there are 200,000 people playing STO it's 1/2 of 1% agreeing with you, and so on. The forum is not a majority opinion. It's an extreme minority of the overall player-base.
Cryptic will analyze how it affects their bottom line spread out over hundreds of thousands of players; not on what 100 people on the forum say. The changes to Dilithium rewards a few months back were far more extensive and radical to the player-base then the changes to the Tour and yet those changes are still in place. Think about that.
Of course the price would drop... because DEMAND drops... hence Supply and Demand.
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its dose not matter who the mods are its about getting our tour back in place the way it was and if it means we have to to whine and moan for a 100+ pages so be it and who will they ban? me? for what saying im upset with the way this matter has been handled as is most of our online community well thats fine but ive not done anything to warrant that
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well thats a given but im unsure why you picked my post to quote? i was just giving a thumbs up for trying get a petition up so we can show our support NOT for posting the email from the mods i think you may have miss quote me there
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well thats fine but i still think he had a good idea to see just how many would sign it and try to make thats difference im very sorry for trying to hold some hope that the tour will be put back to how it was
(ill go sit in time out now ive had a telling off
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Now, looking at this logically, even though this thread might be meaningless, it does have some significance.
Namely, while it's true that the this is a minuscule portion of the player base, it is also unrealistic to expect the whole 100K or 200K players to be vocal participants about anything. Now, unfortunately, i couldn't find any kind of member count or roster in this forum, though admittedly, i'm new, but i'm sure some of you out there will be able to make an educated guess as to how big this thread is compared to the norm.
Whatever the case, any manifestation of a large group of people - at least the way i see it, doesn't usually represent them and them alone. If four thousand people gather on public square to protest raised taxes, and the country has a hundred thousand, it's pretty naive to think that the other 996K think the new taxes are gravy, just because they didn't show up. What that manifestation provides is a sample of the whole.
Now, applying it here, and as i said before, i truly believe the influence this here thread has over anyone in a decision making position is zero. At best, it may be statistic, if that.
It does, however, show people are unhappy. Enough so that some players (like yours truly) jacked up their post count on it alone, meaning that out of every matter that passes through these boards, this was the one they finally cared enough to talk about.
Now, out there are all kinds of players, those 100 or 200K, and they all have their own opinions on this. I know how during that first nerfed tour, all the chat box read was about the nerf. They may not have a voice they're inclined to raise, but what they do have are wallets.
Now, maybe they'll speak with them, maybe they won't, and even if they do, like it has been said, worse nerfs have happened and nothing seems to have changed. Or maybe a lot of players did already quit, like many always do, but there's always that inflow of new blood that keeps the game going.
Either way, though, i do believe in some sort of common awareness among the crowd, and that thing can't be ignored, threatened, suspended or banned. It can, however, be inflamed, which is my feeling it has been steadily becoming. I mean, look at me: i've been here for a couple months at most, and i already get from a while back the impression that there's this big stonewall between the players and the developers that didn't use to be there at all just a few years prior.
So yeah, while i think the execs care nothing about this little get-together we got going here, this sort of thing does serve it's purpose, and is by no means without consequence or influence. Just don't be surprised you take longer to see results than doing the rep system fifty times over.
TRIBBLE, i almost deleted this thing outright after i saw how big it got. Sorry about that.
im not trying or going to break any rule im just trying to help and get our voices and points of view across if they sit up and listen well its a start if not well then were just have to do our best to carry on but if we do nothing and say nothing then they will be more likely to use us as door matts in the future as do as they dam well please and if thats the case then being a gold member will have no value to anyone on here me included if your voice has no echo and money is there only goal and not the online commuity
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Also, removing an EC exploit has the goal of actually lowering exchange prices in the long term. You know, so you don't need millions of EC to get anything worthwhile. I think this is also part of the logic behind all the Reputation/Fleet Ultra-Rare gear. You can't sell it, and its existence devalues the regular gear, so it helps bring exchange prices in reach of the typical player. This is a good thing overall. Frankly, I hope the Exchange does crash. It needs to.
You are right! Well, i'm so sorry, that i have forget about it.... i have delete the brisant parts.....
sorry.
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Wanna make it 63?
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Who's raging? I thought we were all having a ball.
i can see your trying to make a point here but being rude to people only make's them miss the point and you will just end up showing your self up
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I can see your suggestion as being a good solution to this...just make it same as Explore Strange New Worlds as a daily makes much more sense then only allowing players who can be on at a specific time to be able to ever do the mission. The way it is it favors only those who can login at the correct time...
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Of course, that'll remove the commonality of everyone getting together to do the tour. Granted, it's not much of a race when it's so much more about the gear you've invested in than actual skill, but doing the course alongside a dozen other cats was a lot of the Tour's charm.
The first solution in this thread i think was the best (second only to not having done this TRIBBLE to begin with, but i digress), make a big payout at the end, and let people make as many legitimate laps as they can.
Actually, had they done that to begin with, my reaction would've been like "huh, touche. Well played", or something of the sort. Sure, i'd still miss the EC, of course, but it would have actually come out as a smart move and not the asinine disproportionate event-destructive clusterflock that it did. And i would've gone for it too.
As it stands, it's just a mockery more than anything, like something a 12 year old would have come up with.
how do we know it was not a twelve year old? for all we know, Cryptic gets its "great ideas" from their employees children, or from monkeys.
Well, we can't disprove it.
In all seriousness, though, i very much doubt decisions like this are made by the developers. I mean, it ran for what, a year? Way i see it, the developers probably let it run all this time until someone from above noticed it and gave the order. That, or there was some executive meeting about wanting to make more money, and they ordered the developers to make it happen somehow.
I mean, it seems to me like one of the big ways to make EC in the game is buying keys with real money and exchanging them. Now, we can go about how the exchange prices will be affected by this and how things will go, but at a glance, i think it would have been a pretty good guess to assume the Tour was competing pretty heavily with that cash-cow.
I don't think it would have taken long at all for Jabba to jump into that wagon.
Ok I have never done this event and in fact I never knew about it until I started to read this thread. I really do like the sound of doing it in a large group of ships, that would be a fantastic event for fleets to do together that's for sure!
I don't see how making it a daily could possibly stop large groups of ships from doing the event at the same time and at the same time only having the event for one hour per day makes it so if I work every day at that time I can never do this event. If it was a daily I could gather my group when I can be online and do it then and have the fun you are describing with the event.
Just make the event timed so when ever you start it you only have an hour to complete it or you fail...and to do that all they would need to do is have some point you have to cross in space outside of Earth Space Dock or the Klingon homeworld and once you do cross that your timer starts and you get a message on your screen Tour the Galaxy event has begun! Good luck to all contestants!