Except at this point in time the only thing keeping the 'Romulan Republic' from being destroyed by pirates, plunderers, and the Tal'Shiar is them being able to say 'But Starfleet and the Klingon Defense Force will beat you up if you bother us too much!'. The Republic's biggest defense is 'Don't make me get my big brother!'
The Republic is a fledgling government who's only honest asset is a planet being colonized, a flotilla of ships, and a busted Iconian Gateway.
Fancy Thalaron weapons won't stop the Republic from being ground like a cigarette on the ground without the support of two larger and stable governments.
I only not getting why is it banned? I mean like what does it do what other horrible weapons can not do ? Even disruptors are considered most painful weapons to die from. Making organic matter turn into dust ? What is so bad with that ?
Because, canon wise, disruptors won't kill every man, woman and child aboard a starship without so much as scratching the paintwork.
The federation finds a weapon that is uncounterable and kills indiscriminately unethical, the KDF (The bulk of it's high command anyway) finds it cowardly.
Because, canon wise, disruptors won't kill every man, woman and child aboard a starship without so much as scratching the paintwork.
The federation finds a weapon that is uncounterable and kills indiscriminately unethical, the KDF (The bulk of it's high command anyway) finds it cowardly.
The Romulans, apparently, find it cool.
In game, Donatra's Scimitar in the "Khitomer Vortex" STF has a thalaron blast that's quite counterable and survivable -- and the player version does less damage. So I don't see the issue.
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Games have to think about other things first, story will always be secondary. You can cry about it but it wont change it. You are in a vast minority of people who bring a story far to close to their real lives.
I think you are underestimating Commander Player's influence here. He/she blows up a lot of pirates, plunderers, Tal Shiar, and Elachi. I mean, really, count the ships.
Ahh - but Commander Player's influence only counts if you're playing as a Romulan character. As a Federation captain or KDF general - the events play out quite similarly - except with the Romulan Republic being much more 'kitten like'. Sharp claws, fuzzy tail, but ultimately helpless. Even if we go with Commander Player's influence being 'all that', every single Romulan ship you see in sector space, orbit of other worlds, etc is "Commander Player", so you can pick the most awesome of the bunch, but it's still just one Commander and one ship. According to the story, every damned one of you was one of the 'only survivors of your colony', and the 'only one who discovered the New Homeworld".
Don't get me wrong, the Romulan Republic is cool. I like the way it's starting to be shaped and it's presence in the game. I liked the Romulan story line - but all in all - the Romulan Republic is a VERY minor power in the galaxy at the moment.
As to why Thalaron weapons are banned/bad - it's because even a microscopic amount can potentially wipe out all life on a planet. Once it starts vaporizing organic material - it spreads without really any way to contain it. So unlike a phaser blast, torpedo spread, or even potentially a tricobalt device - there's no way to 'pick your target'. What you fire it at is going to die - and so is EVERYTHING else, and when it's done the planet will be a barren rock that can't support any life what-so-ever.
A ray of necromantic black energy springs from your hand, and on a successful ranged touch attack, a living target is engulfed in chill black flames that feed on the fuel of their victim's life force.
A creature engulfed in blackfire must make a successful Fortitude save each round that the spell is in effect or take 1d4 points of Constitution damage and become nauseated.
A creature that makes its save takes no damage for that round and is sickened instead.
In addition to its effects on the target, blackfire can spread rapidly, and any living creature adjacent to a creature engulfed in blackfire must succeed on a Reflex save or become engulfed itself.
Any creature whose Constitution is reduced to 0 or lower by the spell is reduced to a pile of black ash,
Now, leaving out the visual display of black flames and the game system based TRIBBLE. The effect of this sounds a lot like Thalaron energy. Reduced to black ash, it can spread to others...
In any case, it's a perfectly legit option to use the Scimitar without the third console in. The ship can be operated Thalaron-free.
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In ST/STO, it just got a color change
I too must be on the side of anti-Thalaron, and frankly I'm disappointed it wasn't a plasma wave retrofit. That would've made SENSE, and still kept the nice effect. Well, still time for that, still time.
Seriously, this contravenes D'Tan's way (a Vulcan reunificationist, might I add), and totally flies in the face of the story as it happened in game. It makes the Republic seem not much better than their Tal Shiar oppressors or Obisek's dangerous methods in the storyline, and threatens their legitimacy. That, and I'm generally opposed to chemical, bio, and radiation. Or anything that was created in a fictional universe and explicitly stated to be highly controversial/cruel and unusual.
Research on thalaron weapons are forbidden in the federation. The romulan republic is not a part of the federation, but why would the federation tolerate an alliance with a race who has this kind of weapons?
Wouldn't be the first time Starfleet (maybe the Federation to an extent) has looked the other way. Don't forget how Admiral Dougherty, in alliance with the So'na, tried to move the Ba'ku against their will. Had the Enterprise E not uncovered the plot, no one would have ever known. Of course the Federation Council put all the blame on Dougherty, but it's easy to for them to wipe their hands clean of the mess knowing that Enterprise would take care of things.
What I'm saying is, the people of the Federation could be kept in the dark about such things if the brass at Starfleet Command insist on it.
I can't imagine people would raise too many eyebrows if it was only used against the Borg or maybe the Undine (and it would DESTROY the Undine).
It would kill the whole Undine universe in theory. Even the innocent. Ultra genocide. And the tech was frowned upon by most Romulans. It was really a secret order making the death tech, which I assume played a heavy roll in Romulus getting destroyed. D'Tan would really have no part in that kind of tech.
The Federation and KDF are well aware about the Republic's use of Thalaron weapons. Heck, you get an episode where you get the option of arresting Obisek's minions if you are so inclined-specifically because he made the choice to acquire Thalaron weapons. The Federation and KDF would not be ignorant. I think it would be very reasonable to assume that they would tell D'Tan and Obisek to knock that stuff off if they wanted aid.
This is tru. Which makes the Dev choice to make them a Thalaron weapon all the more less intelligent. At least decision wise.
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The scale, a single ship in orbit cn wipe out a whole planet
But also that it works only on organic matter.
That means you can use it indiscriniately on a planet and then just take it afterwards.
According to Canon a Galaxy class vessel carries enough armament to level a planet as well.
The only difference is the Thalaron pulse will wipe out every living thing over the course of fifteen agonizing seconds.
A Galaxy class opening up could take days to actually finish the job, terrorizing the population below.
Wow another 'canon' argument. Tell me, since Star Trek: Nemesis was the last Prime Universe canon film we have -- please show me where it was stated in the film that the Feds and other Star Nations/Empires agreed to ban Thalaron weapons?
In the film, the Scimitar had a Thalaron generator. In STO the Scimitar Class warbirdshas a scaled down version for use against ships. <--- Seems in line with ST canon to me.
Given what we saw in Nemesis, I don't see ST canon supporting your claim that everyone agreed to ban Thalaron weapons. (And ST Novels are not canon.)
Thalaron weapons might not have necessarily been banned by all major powers in Star Trek Canon, but they were banned by the Federation, the KDF, and the Romulan Republic in STO canon.
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Thalaron weapons might not have necessarily been banned by all major powers in Star Trek Canon, but they were banned by the Federation, the KDF, and the Romulan Republic in STO canon.
The only information if know is that Thalaron research was banned in the Federation.
Generaly if you can reseach on something. That also implies a ban on anything that is derived from that research.
The thing that was banned by the 3 powers were subspace weapons ... Tricobalt are subspace weapons.
The USS Voyager has 2 Tricolbalt devices onboard for a routine mission. Janeway use the Tricolbalt devices to destroy the Caretakers Array. This was done to prevent it from falling int the hands of the Kazon.
So even through ricolcalt device may cause subspace ruptures, they aren't considered subspace weapons. Therefore, they aren't banned weapons.
ok why any one make this idk lets talk about the feds and Starfleet they don't explore they don't seek out new life and new civilizations they don't find diplomatic solutions they kill kill and kill so why the hek would the feds care about Thalaron weapons????
The only information if know is that Thalaron research was banned in the Federation.
The thing that was banned by the 3 powers were subspace weapons ... Tricobalt are subspace weapons.
Actually, although tricobalt weapons can cause subspace damage, they aren't actually "subspace weapons."
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
I'd be okay with Thetaron weapons so long as cloaking devices are added for the Federation. Afterall, the only reason Fed never developed cloaking tech was due to the Rom/Fed treaty.
I'd be okay with Thetaron weapons so long as cloaking devices are added for the Federation. Afterall, the only reason Fed never developed cloaking tech was due to the Rom/Fed treaty.
if its like the ones the feds already have then by all means give the feds their new console but no battle cloaks ever!!!!
The Vault. When you meet Obisek as a Romulan character he says that he realizes Thalaron weapons are banned by the Republic.
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No he doesn't he just makes a big speech about if I'm a refugee or a pawn of the KDF or Starfleet, he does not say anything about the Republic banning anything.
they don't even mentionit being banned by the KDF mission giver, hell I don't even think the KDF banned them all he says is I was in the right for destroying it becasue it's a cowards weapon and he rather look his enemy in the eye...the only power the truly has a major problem is the Federation.
The only time the Federation will F the Prime directive is for the omega particle, besides that the Federation is not going to get involved especially if we ally with the KDF instead of them....I don't think they would want us to run to them and build a hybrid Klingon Romulan battle cruiser to match the Scimitar for them, and the Klingons would have Thalaron technology, and some might not want to use it but others might like the idea to take control of the empire with it.
Besides it's not like the KDF never used something that destroyed all life on a planet for something like a DNA fragment...Oh wait.....http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Nu%27Daq
No he doesn't he just makes a big speech about if I'm a refugee or a pawn of the KDF or Starfleet, he does not say anything about the Republic banning anything.
they don't even mentionit being banned by the KDF mission giver, hell I don't even think the KDF banned them all he says is I was in the right for destroying it becasue it's a cowards weapon and he rather look his enemy in the eye...the only power the truly has a major problem is the Federation.
The only time the Federation will F the Prime directive is for the omega particle, besides that the Federation is not going to get involved especially if we ally with the KDF instead of them....I don't think they would want us to run to them and build a hybrid Klingon Romulan battle cruiser to match the Scimitar for them, and the Klingons would have Thalaron technology, and some might not want to use it but others might like the idea to take control of the empire with it.
Besides it's not like the KDF never used something that destroyed all life on a planet for something like a DNA fragment...Oh wait.....http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Nu%27Daq
Apparently it wasn't Obisek that said that, or at least not in the vault. Perhaps it was somebody completely different somewhere in the Romulan story progression. In any case, there is still what the player says:
What are you doing here?
I am not an agent of Empress Sela
I am a free Romulan (etc)
Your presence here is a cause for concern You must know that the galactic powers will not allow you to use thalaron weapons
What are you doing here?
I'm here to investigate unusual sensor readings from this station The use of thalaron weapons is deliberately provocative to other galactic powers
So the Federation and the KDF are apparently on the "anti-thalaron" boat. I pay very close attention to the lore of the game and read every bit of text (including static text) and I am nearly positive someone says that D'tan and the Republic have outlawed thalaron weapons, but it's too late to go digging into it anymore, I've got to get some sleep!
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
To be fair, the Scimitar-class don't have a thalaron core any more(it has a standard singularity core now). Maybe that canonically means it can't insta-genocide a planet.
Lets not go over there, point was it was research, if a species that had researched it and even created some uses for it wanted to join the Federation that would not burn in bonefire, Thalaron research was banned because it was too dangerous.
This is tru. Also note you chase & even given the chance to arrest Obisek due him jus having Thalaron tech
ok why any one make this idk lets talk about the feds and Starfleet they don't explore they don't seek out new life and new civilizations they don't find diplomatic solutions they kill kill and kill so why the hek would the feds care about Thalaron weapons????
Due to the nature of its use. It's a highly toxic bio "viral" weapon. It eats ur flesh slowly & any other bio matter. Something like a flesh eating disease, mixed with acids, & radiated toxic chemical/gas.*
Same reason while the US is at War & many other nation, non rely on nucular weapons, the fallout is chaotic. Thalaron is jus 3x worse. If not 100x
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The Republic is a fledgling government who's only honest asset is a planet being colonized, a flotilla of ships, and a busted Iconian Gateway.
Fancy Thalaron weapons won't stop the Republic from being ground like a cigarette on the ground without the support of two larger and stable governments.
Because, canon wise, disruptors won't kill every man, woman and child aboard a starship without so much as scratching the paintwork.
The federation finds a weapon that is uncounterable and kills indiscriminately unethical, the KDF (The bulk of it's high command anyway) finds it cowardly.
The Romulans, apparently, find it cool.
In game, Donatra's Scimitar in the "Khitomer Vortex" STF has a thalaron blast that's quite counterable and survivable -- and the player version does less damage. So I don't see the issue.
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Games have to think about other things first, story will always be secondary. You can cry about it but it wont change it. You are in a vast minority of people who bring a story far to close to their real lives.
Ahh - but Commander Player's influence only counts if you're playing as a Romulan character. As a Federation captain or KDF general - the events play out quite similarly - except with the Romulan Republic being much more 'kitten like'. Sharp claws, fuzzy tail, but ultimately helpless. Even if we go with Commander Player's influence being 'all that', every single Romulan ship you see in sector space, orbit of other worlds, etc is "Commander Player", so you can pick the most awesome of the bunch, but it's still just one Commander and one ship. According to the story, every damned one of you was one of the 'only survivors of your colony', and the 'only one who discovered the New Homeworld".
Don't get me wrong, the Romulan Republic is cool. I like the way it's starting to be shaped and it's presence in the game. I liked the Romulan story line - but all in all - the Romulan Republic is a VERY minor power in the galaxy at the moment.
As to why Thalaron weapons are banned/bad - it's because even a microscopic amount can potentially wipe out all life on a planet. Once it starts vaporizing organic material - it spreads without really any way to contain it. So unlike a phaser blast, torpedo spread, or even potentially a tricobalt device - there's no way to 'pick your target'. What you fire it at is going to die - and so is EVERYTHING else, and when it's done the planet will be a barren rock that can't support any life what-so-ever.
A ray of necromantic black energy springs from your hand, and on a successful ranged touch attack, a living target is engulfed in chill black flames that feed on the fuel of their victim's life force.
A creature engulfed in blackfire must make a successful Fortitude save each round that the spell is in effect or take 1d4 points of Constitution damage and become nauseated.
A creature that makes its save takes no damage for that round and is sickened instead.
In addition to its effects on the target, blackfire can spread rapidly, and any living creature adjacent to a creature engulfed in blackfire must succeed on a Reflex save or become engulfed itself.
Any creature whose Constitution is reduced to 0 or lower by the spell is reduced to a pile of black ash,
Now, leaving out the visual display of black flames and the game system based TRIBBLE. The effect of this sounds a lot like Thalaron energy. Reduced to black ash, it can spread to others...
In any case, it's a perfectly legit option to use the Scimitar without the third console in. The ship can be operated Thalaron-free.
Happy Pulsing
In ST/STO, it just got a color change
Something no one is going to do; at least until the novelty wears off.
Seriously, this contravenes D'Tan's way (a Vulcan reunificationist, might I add), and totally flies in the face of the story as it happened in game. It makes the Republic seem not much better than their Tal Shiar oppressors or Obisek's dangerous methods in the storyline, and threatens their legitimacy. That, and I'm generally opposed to chemical, bio, and radiation. Or anything that was created in a fictional universe and explicitly stated to be highly controversial/cruel and unusual.
Come on, PW, straighten this out! -_-
EDIT: Also, dang you people can be cynical...
Wouldn't be the first time Starfleet (maybe the Federation to an extent) has looked the other way. Don't forget how Admiral Dougherty, in alliance with the So'na, tried to move the Ba'ku against their will. Had the Enterprise E not uncovered the plot, no one would have ever known. Of course the Federation Council put all the blame on Dougherty, but it's easy to for them to wipe their hands clean of the mess knowing that Enterprise would take care of things.
What I'm saying is, the people of the Federation could be kept in the dark about such things if the brass at Starfleet Command insist on it.
It would kill the whole Undine universe in theory. Even the innocent. Ultra genocide. And the tech was frowned upon by most Romulans. It was really a secret order making the death tech, which I assume played a heavy roll in Romulus getting destroyed. D'Tan would really have no part in that kind of tech.
This is tru. Which makes the Dev choice to make them a Thalaron weapon all the more less intelligent. At least decision wise.
Heh XD
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For the same reason the "peaceful explorers" put Phasers and torpedoes on their ships?
According to Canon a Galaxy class vessel carries enough armament to level a planet as well.
The only difference is the Thalaron pulse will wipe out every living thing over the course of fifteen agonizing seconds.
A Galaxy class opening up could take days to actually finish the job, terrorizing the population below.
The only ones I see using it. Is the Tal Shiar and Remans. Mainly due to desperation. As both sides are just as likely to be wiped out existence.
Well it is a game, just just leave it at that.
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Thalaron weapons might not have necessarily been banned by all major powers in Star Trek Canon, but they were banned by the Federation, the KDF, and the Romulan Republic in STO canon.
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Where does it say the Republic banned them?
I waited as long as I could, but when I heard the burglar coming up the stairs, that's when I set off the nuke, your honor.
Try again.
Generaly if you can reseach on something. That also implies a ban on anything that is derived from that research.
The USS Voyager has 2 Tricolbalt devices onboard for a routine mission. Janeway use the Tricolbalt devices to destroy the Caretakers Array. This was done to prevent it from falling int the hands of the Kazon.
So even through ricolcalt device may cause subspace ruptures, they aren't considered subspace weapons. Therefore, they aren't banned weapons.
system Lord Baal is dead
The Vault. When you meet Obisek as a Romulan character he says that he realizes Thalaron weapons are banned by the Republic.
Actually, although tricobalt weapons can cause subspace damage, they aren't actually "subspace weapons."
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
if its like the ones the feds already have then by all means give the feds their new console but no battle cloaks ever!!!!
system Lord Baal is dead
No he doesn't he just makes a big speech about if I'm a refugee or a pawn of the KDF or Starfleet, he does not say anything about the Republic banning anything.
they don't even mentionit being banned by the KDF mission giver, hell I don't even think the KDF banned them all he says is I was in the right for destroying it becasue it's a cowards weapon and he rather look his enemy in the eye...the only power the truly has a major problem is the Federation.
The only time the Federation will F the Prime directive is for the omega particle, besides that the Federation is not going to get involved especially if we ally with the KDF instead of them....I don't think they would want us to run to them and build a hybrid Klingon Romulan battle cruiser to match the Scimitar for them, and the Klingons would have Thalaron technology, and some might not want to use it but others might like the idea to take control of the empire with it.
Besides it's not like the KDF never used something that destroyed all life on a planet for something like a DNA fragment...Oh wait.....http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Nu%27Daq
Apparently it wasn't Obisek that said that, or at least not in the vault. Perhaps it was somebody completely different somewhere in the Romulan story progression. In any case, there is still what the player says:
What are you doing here?
I am not an agent of Empress Sela
I am a free Romulan (etc)
Your presence here is a cause for concern
You must know that the galactic powers will not allow you to use thalaron weapons
What are you doing here?
I'm here to investigate unusual sensor readings from this station
The use of thalaron weapons is deliberately provocative to other galactic powers
So the Federation and the KDF are apparently on the "anti-thalaron" boat. I pay very close attention to the lore of the game and read every bit of text (including static text) and I am nearly positive someone says that D'tan and the Republic have outlawed thalaron weapons, but it's too late to go digging into it anymore, I've got to get some sleep!
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Well it would make sense.
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This is tru. Also note you chase & even given the chance to arrest Obisek due him jus having Thalaron tech
Due to the nature of its use. It's a highly toxic bio "viral" weapon. It eats ur flesh slowly & any other bio matter. Something like a flesh eating disease, mixed with acids, & radiated toxic chemical/gas.*
Same reason while the US is at War & many other nation, non rely on nucular weapons, the fallout is chaotic. Thalaron is jus 3x worse. If not 100x
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