Proposed D'D changes look much better than the stats currently online. I just hope there is a four-tactical-console variant planned, too..
I think I prefer the new Mogai setup... The Lt Cdr Engineer is fantastic, and fits the ship's size and role well. But honestly, so long as it doesn't have triple-ensign-tactical syndrome, I think I'll be happy regardless of what's decided.
Personally, on a different warbird that recently got changed, I preferred the old Ha'apax layout to the new one (I've come to really like my Regent's Boff setup). If the Haakona and Fleet Ha'apax could have their Lt. Tac slots changed to Universal, though, it'd all come out the same... I wouldn't want to put that LCDR slot as a Tac as-is because then I'd run into the 3-Ensign-power issue that plagues Tactical seating...
We've been monitoring the feedback closely, and I'd like to run two specific changes behind the people here.
-We could swap the Mogai back to Tactical/Science and the Dhelan back to Tactical/Engineering. I can see that a lot of people preferred the old setup, but there seem to be some people who prefer the new version as well. The Mogai is the "heavier" ship and more comparable to a Destroyer in turn rate and hull, so Engineering seems to be a little more appropriate, but I can see the argument that the consoles for the Mogai have a more "Science" feel.
This could occur either by just swapping the current Dhelan Retrofit and Mogai Retrofit seating, or by giving the Dhelan Retrofit the current Mogai Retrofit seating and reverting the Mogai Retrofit back to its old seating.
I'd like to see more arguments for one side or another that involve more than personal preference.
-I am considering changing the D'deridex Retrofit to the following:
Ensign Tac, Lt. Com Tac, Commander Eng, Lt. Com Sci, En Universal
Consoles would most likely be adjusted as well if this change was made, probably to 3-3-3 on the Retrofit and 3-4-3 (4 Eng) on the Fleet version.
As always, these are just possible changes - nothing is set in stone.
Please Do the D'Deridex fix-Im one of the sad Rommies that lives to fly the ship -and if you can make that turn rate better please do:):D
Fantastic D'deridex changes, makes the ship much more balanced (3/4/3 Boff abilities, with 1 ensign level wildcard)! Make it so!:D
As for the Dhelan/Mogai situation. When I look at the two ships, I see in the Mogai a very sleek, aggressive looking ship that also looks somewhat fragile. When I look at it, I don't associate it with engineering. I do feel its a ideal ship for a tactical/science layout. The Dhelan on the other hand looks bulkier and to me looks as if it would have more staying power, and I'd more easily associate that with engineering.
T'Varo:
Disappointed to the extent of the nerd. While I can live with the BOFF layout, I think it either deserves a better turn rate or an increase to the hull, if it's being put against the B'rel. I wish the tac console slot counts would revert back.
Dehlan:
It's basically the old Mogai, which was what I was going to choose as my main. I like it, and I'm glad it's got better turn rate.
Mogai:
I was going to pick this for the stats in the old version, now not so much. I can see people who liked the model better being upset about the change.
D'deridex:
New version is still terrible. Proposed version sounds interesting. Since it's got a ridiculous turn rate of a carrier, I'd say add at least one hangar slot. Get rid of an ensign if need be to add it.
We've been monitoring the feedback closely, and I'd like to run two specific changes behind the people here.
-We could swap the Mogai back to Tactical/Science and the Dhelan back to Tactical/Engineering. I can see that a lot of people preferred the old setup, but there seem to be some people who prefer the new version as well. The Mogai is the "heavier" ship and more comparable to a Destroyer in turn rate and hull, so Engineering seems to be a little more appropriate, but I can see the argument that the consoles for the Mogai have a more "Science" feel.
This could occur either by just swapping the current Dhelan Retrofit and Mogai Retrofit seating, or by giving the Dhelan Retrofit the current Mogai Retrofit seating and reverting the Mogai Retrofit back to its old seating.
I'd like to see more arguments for one side or another that involve more than personal preference.
-I am considering changing the D'deridex Retrofit to the following:
Ensign Tac, Lt. Com Tac, Commander Eng, Lt. Com Sci, En Universal
Consoles would most likely be adjusted as well if this change was made, probably to 3-3-3 on the Retrofit and 3-4-3 (4 Eng) on the Fleet version.
As always, these are just possible changes - nothing is set in stone.
I like the proposed D'deridex change. I'll abstain from commenting on the other two changes beyond asking why you couldn't simply release both versions to make the two camps happy. The ships already exist so I would think it would be fairly straight forward to do this.
It won't make the console layout back to the way it was before... So that's basically a worthless change imo.
Console fittings are not THAT gamebreaking. Really you wont notice much from 1 or even 2 less tac console slots. And todays date there are alot of uni consoles as well.
Station bo layouts are much dependant on the decision for the player to take or not to take (and possibly buy) a ship.
I'd like to see the D'Deridex get the newly suggested BO layout too, the only other thing I'd like is a T'liss skin unlock on the T'Varo retrofit (and fleet Retrofit) if possible, please.
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We've been monitoring the feedback closely, and I'd like to run two specific changes behind the people here.
-We could swap the Mogai back to Tactical/Science and the Dhelan back to Tactical/Engineering. I can see that a lot of people preferred the old setup, but there seem to be some people who prefer the new version as well. The Mogai is the "heavier" ship and more comparable to a Destroyer in turn rate and hull, so Engineering seems to be a little more appropriate, but I can see the argument that the consoles for the Mogai have a more "Science" feel.
This could occur either by just swapping the current Dhelan Retrofit and Mogai Retrofit seating, or by giving the Dhelan Retrofit the current Mogai Retrofit seating and reverting the Mogai Retrofit back to its old seating.
I'd like to see more arguments for one side or another that involve more than personal preference.
-I am considering changing the D'deridex Retrofit to the following:
Ensign Tac, Lt. Com Tac, Commander Eng, Lt. Com Sci, En Universal
Consoles would most likely be adjusted as well if this change was made, probably to 3-3-3 on the Retrofit and 3-4-3 (4 Eng) on the Fleet version.
As always, these are just possible changes - nothing is set in stone.
I don't have much to say about the D'Deridex, but the changes seem to be decent.
As for the Mogai: First of all, I think you are seeing too much into the size thing. The Mogai Isn't actually all that big. It has a very large wingspan, but the wings are somewhat thin, so the ship doesn't really have that much volume. The Dehalan is much more bulky. I personally think the Dhealan looked the part better than the Mogai just on shape. YOu seem to have fallen into a trap of basing things on the dimensions of Romulan ships, and that doesn't work. Another example is the D'Deridex. It is taller, wider and (I believe) longer than the galaxy, but most of the ship is empty space, so it's likely lighter which means it would have less inertai and be easier to push around.
I also think you shouldn't get stuck in this trap of making Romulan ships equivalent to a class in the Fed or KDF lines. I personally think the Romulan ships should NOT be the same, so saying the Mogai fits in with a destroyer is a statement that could diminish factional flavor. Also, again, the Mogai consoles are more science style consoles, so it would fit better with the Mogai having a science slant.
A big part of this, is that a lot of us were looking forward to flying the Mogai and D'Deridex specifically, so we all want layouts that fit OUR styles. A good compromise would be to give us a tier 5 Mogai and Valdore, one would have the science layout and the other would have the engineering layout, and the costumes could be interchangable, so we can get the layout we want then apply the costume we prefer.
I think the main pro-sci mogai is, that another patrol escort clone is somewhat boring. Players that are in the game for a while wan't to explore more options instead creating a clone in another skin.
Exactly, the previous Mogai seemed distinctly Romulan to me, but if they turn it into a clone of a Fed ship, that would be very dissapointing since it would be boring if all the ships were samey.
Romulans were always a subversive lot, which says science to me, so it makes sense for their premier ships to have a science slant.
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edited May 2013
Thank you all for the feedback.
I will be going ahead and making the proposed changes to the D'deridex Retrofit and the Fleet D'deridex.
The Dhelan and Mogai issue is a lot trickier; some people seem to like the current setup, others would prefer to revert it. There are some compelling arguments for both sides. For the time being, I am keeping the BOFFs and consoles as-is.
As always, these changes are not final, and still subject to possible change.
We will continue to monitor the feedback here, and I'm looking forward to seeing a lot more comments once we unlock access to all of the higher level content and ships.
We've been monitoring the feedback closely, and I'd like to run two specific changes behind the people here.
-We could swap the Mogai back to Tactical/Science and the Dhelan back to Tactical/Engineering. I can see that a lot of people preferred the old setup, but there seem to be some people who prefer the new version as well. The Mogai is the "heavier" ship and more comparable to a Destroyer in turn rate and hull, so Engineering seems to be a little more appropriate, but I can see the argument that the consoles for the Mogai have a more "Science" feel.
This could occur either by just swapping the current Dhelan Retrofit and Mogai Retrofit seating, or by giving the Dhelan Retrofit the current Mogai Retrofit seating and reverting the Mogai Retrofit back to its old seating.
I'd like to see more arguments for one side or another that involve more than personal preference.
As always, these are just possible changes - nothing is set in stone.
I think that the Tactical/Engineering scheme makes much more sense for a 'Destroyer' like the Mogai than the Tactical/Science scheme. Also, if it were to revert to the Tactical/Science spread, it would need some secondary changes to support that layout, such as the greater shielding of Science vessels or an auxiliary power bonus, neither of which fit with the Mogai's aesthetic.
We've been monitoring the feedback closely, and I'd like to run two specific changes behind the people here.
-We could swap the Mogai back to Tactical/Science and the Dhelan back to Tactical/Engineering. I can see that a lot of people preferred the old setup, but there seem to be some people who prefer the new version as well. The Mogai is the "heavier" ship and more comparable to a Destroyer in turn rate and hull, so Engineering seems to be a little more appropriate, but I can see the argument that the consoles for the Mogai have a more "Science" feel.
This could occur either by just swapping the current Dhelan Retrofit and Mogai Retrofit seating, or by giving the Dhelan Retrofit the current Mogai Retrofit seating and reverting the Mogai Retrofit back to its old seating.
I'd like to see more arguments for one side or another that involve more than personal preference.
-I am considering changing the D'deridex Retrofit to the following:
Ensign Tac, Lt. Com Tac, Commander Eng, Lt. Com Sci, En Universal
Consoles would most likely be adjusted as well if this change was made, probably to 3-3-3 on the Retrofit and 3-4-3 (4 Eng) on the Fleet version.
As always, these are just possible changes - nothing is set in stone.
Please consider a similar setup for the Fleet Galaxy, as the D'Deredix.
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I will be going ahead and making the proposed changes to the D'deridex Retrofit and the Fleet D'deridex.
The Dhelan and Mogai issue is a lot trickier; some people seem to like the current setup, others would prefer to revert it. There are some compelling arguments for both sides. For the time being, I am keeping the BOFFs and consoles as-is.
As always, these changes are not final, and still subject to possible change.
We will continue to monitor the feedback here, and I'm looking forward to seeing a lot more comments once we unlock access to all of the higher level content and ships.
Thanks for making the D'deridex a worthy battleship.
On the Dhelan and Mogai issue- seems to me the best solution is to keep the alternate boff layouts in mind for future Mirror Universe versions of them.
And I do agree with the above poster that tactical/engineering makes the most sense for a "destroyer" type vessel, and that makes the most sense to me for the Mogai. Although the Dhelan seems more suited to being a straight tac/tac escort-type to me, as well.
we've Been Monitoring The Feedback Closely, And I'd Like To Run Two Specific Changes Behind The People Here.
-we Could Swap The Mogai Back To Tactical/science And The Dhelan Back To Tactical/engineering. I Can See That A Lot Of People Preferred The Old Setup, But There Seem To Be Some People Who Prefer The New Version As Well. The Mogai Is The "heavier" Ship And More Comparable To A Destroyer In Turn Rate And Hull, So Engineering Seems To Be A Little More Appropriate, But I Can See The Argument That The Consoles For The Mogai Have A More "science" Feel.
This Could Occur Either By Just Swapping The Current Dhelan Retrofit And Mogai Retrofit Seating, Or By Giving The Dhelan Retrofit The Current Mogai Retrofit Seating And Reverting The Mogai Retrofit Back To Its Old Seating.
I'd Like To See More Arguments For One Side Or Another That Involve More Than Personal Preference.
-i Am Considering Changing The D'deridex Retrofit To The Following:
Ensign Tac, Lt. Com Tac, Commander Eng, Lt. Com Sci, En Universal
Consoles Would Most Likely Be Adjusted As Well If This Change Was Made, Probably To 3-3-3 On The Retrofit And 3-4-3 (4 Eng) On The Fleet Version.
As Always, These Are Just Possible Changes - Nothing Is Set In Stone.
On the Dhelan and Mogai issue- seems to me the best solution is to keep the alternate boff layouts in mind for future Mirror Universe versions of them.
And I do agree with the above poster that tactical/engineering makes the most sense for a "destroyer" type vessel, and that makes the most sense to me for the Mogai. Although the Dhelan seems more suited to being a straight tac/tac escort-type to me, as well.
Unfortunately, I really don't see Mirror Dhelen and Mogai as being on the table because their max level versions are C-store ships. The 'Refit' approach.. I don't think would work either as it kind of defeats the purpose of them being separate ships in the first place.
Much to my chagrin, the Mogai really does seem to make the most sense as a Destroyer. It's very similiar to a D'deridex, but lighter and faster - kind of like an Akira compared to a Galaxy, or a Vorcha to a Negh'var. I am personally kind of disappointed, because the squishier science slant felt more 'Cloak - Disable - Dagger'/'Romulan', but the ship does seem more like a 'Fierce Warbird' with its new configuration. Much more of a 'Backbone of the navy', if you will.
Meanwhile, the Dhelen; while I don't care much for the aesthetic of the 'chicken', I can see it's bloated form being a vessel capable of creating gravity wells or having an electronic suite to upload a viral matrix and such. The design does strike me as being a hybrid of an attack ship with science modules wielded onto it.
Well, I'm very much in favor of swapping the Mogai/Dhelan back to their original configurations. The Mogai is the 'iconic' ship of the two, and the Tac/Sci setup is simply way more 'iconic Romulan' than Tac/Eng, IMO.
Do agree with others who've said the look-and-feel of the ships fits better the way they were before as well -- the Dhelan looks much more 'solid' and 'tanky' than the Mogai by a long shot.
And now you're sticking the 1 Ens. Tactical on the more science-oriented ship? I mean, that's just a bad seat for anything, but if it fits anywhere it's on the more direct-fighting style ship. You've also saddled the science-oriented ships with the lesser number of device slots, which also seems backwards, IMO.
Please swap the Mogai back to it's previous science-bent and the set the Dhelan up as the scrappy fighter!
I will be going ahead and making the proposed changes to the D'deridex Retrofit and the Fleet D'deridex.
Good choice. as for the Mogai, keep in mind the expansion should bring something fresh and new, some unique ship choices and playstyle posibilities. We already have patrol escort, there is no great tac/sci escort with cloak for ambush style.
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I will be going ahead and making the proposed changes to the D'deridex Retrofit and the Fleet D'deridex.
Thank you very much, the new D'deridex is awesome and I hope this new configuration makes it to launch. ^^
Also, all the other ships and their changes look fine to me. Though I do think the suggestion of making the two different builds available with the same skin is very interesting. Having the options of a few boff/console layouts available with a skin would be pretty sweet and I imagine would boost sales by letting people *hopefully* more easily slip into the ship who's appearance they love by also having a choice of boff/console layout. Rather a la carte:
Cryptic: Welcome to Star Trek Online, how may I serve you?
Player: Yes, I'll have the mogai retrofit special with the mogai skin, the type A boff seating, and the type B console layout, please.
Well, I'm very much in favor of swapping the Mogai/Dhelan back to their original configurations. The Mogai is the 'iconic' ship of the two, and the Tac/Sci setup is simply way more 'iconic Romulan' than Tac/Eng, IMO.
Do agree with others who've said the look-and-feel of the ships fits better the way they were before as well -- the Dhelan looks much more 'solid' and 'tanky' than the Mogai by a long shot.
And now you're sticking the 1 Ens. Tactical on the more science-oriented ship? I mean, that's just a bad seat for anything, but if it fits anywhere it's on the more direct-fighting style ship. You've also saddled the science-oriented ships with the lesser number of device slots, which also seems backwards, IMO.
Please swap the Mogai back to it's previous science-bent and the set the Dhelan up as the scrappy fighter!
I agree with this as well, the Mogai looks like a predatory ship...the Dhelan is bulkier...and more suited to eng than the Mogai.
I will be going ahead and making the proposed changes to the D'deridex Retrofit and the Fleet D'deridex.
The Dhelan and Mogai issue is a lot trickier; some people seem to like the current setup, others would prefer to revert it. There are some compelling arguments for both sides. For the time being, I am keeping the BOFFs and consoles as-is.
As always, these changes are not final, and still subject to possible change.
We will continue to monitor the feedback here, and I'm looking forward to seeing a lot more comments once we unlock access to all of the higher level content and ships.
If I may I would like to post one observation and opinion of what might be going on. I know myself that I would not catch myself flying a Deheal type ship simply because I do not like how it looks at all. I have a feeling that there are people who like me like the look of the Mogai and Valduor and would do anything to have their layout on that chassis.
Just one other note is that I would like to see the flotilla back to its previous skin in sector space. Just doesnt seem like there are enough ships there anymore.
I will be going ahead and making the proposed changes to the D'deridex Retrofit and the Fleet D'deridex.
The Dhelan and Mogai issue is a lot trickier; some people seem to like the current setup, others would prefer to revert it. There are some compelling arguments for both sides. For the time being, I am keeping the BOFFs and consoles as-is.
As always, these changes are not final, and still subject to possible change.
We will continue to monitor the feedback here, and I'm looking forward to seeing a lot more comments once we unlock access to all of the higher level content and ships.
Thank you for the changes to the D'deridex. Those are truly great changes and even someone like me who doesn't like slow ships is looking forward to trying it out.
Even though i was the one to make this topic, i agree with keeping them as is, lots of great feedback from everyone and this does seem like a good idea. Just hope the other costume for the Dhelan looks better than the current one. just not a huge fan of the Dhelan.
My real only suggestion would be to simply have a fleet version of the mogai with the old setup. that way it's the best of both worlds.
As always, thank you so much for replying to our feedback and can't wait till the 21st.
Good choice. as for the Mogai, keep in mind the expansion should bring something fresh and new, some unique ship choices and playstyle posibilities. We already have patrol escort, there is no great tac/sci escort with cloak for ambush style.
This is exactly it for me.
The previous layouts seemed to be be something more unique and interesting.
I do NOT want Romulan ships to just be clones of Fed and KDF ships just with a battle cloak and some tricks.
Yay about the D'deridex! As for the Mogai and the Dehlan, I'd say just switch the stats, so the prefferred stats IMO would match the more iconic model.
true, but the Dhelan does not have 4 science consoles like the mogai did.
Not to mention that the Dhelan and the Ha'TRIBBLE Warbirds aren't very sleek or very Romulan in appearance. I have no interest in flying either. I had to beta test the Dhelan so it didn't take forever to get through the rank Centurion, but I don't have to get into a Ha'TRIBBLE and I'd rather spend real cash to find a ship less powerful and more suited.
EDIT: This reply is obviously my own opinion, based on my own aesthetics. It's not meant to belittle the tremulous efforts of the dev team, truly a good release overall. I would just suggest that the Romulan design ethos is more Art Deco with curved edges and slim lines and less jagged edges, arcane arches and certainly less of the organic arachnid thing. It's not a Romulan style signature. The design team nails it with the architecture and the maps and many other things are toe curling goodness. Just thought I would share my positive viewpoint as well.
Not to mention that the Dhelan and the Ha'TRIBBLE Warbirds aren't very sleek or very Romulan in appearance. I have no interest in flying either. I had to beta test the Dhelan so it didn't take forever to get through the rank Centurion, but I don't have to get into a Ha'TRIBBLE and I'd rather spend real cash to find a ship less powerful and more suited.
EDIT: This reply is obviously my own opinion, based on my own aesthetics. It's not meant to belittle the tremulous efforts of the dev team, truly a good release overall. I would just suggest that the Romulan design ethos is more Art Deco with curved edges and slim lines and less jagged edges, arcane arches and certainly less of the organic arachnid thing. It's not a Romulan style signature. The design team nails it with the architecture and the maps and many other things are toe curling goodness. Just thought I would share my positive viewpoint as well.
I'm in the minority that actually really likes the Ha'apex, it is a strange design but still seems romulan to me. But the Dhelan, yeah i mean great job to the team obviously but just a truly strange design. Really hoping the cstore refit looks better.
I will be going ahead and making the proposed changes to the D'deridex Retrofit and the Fleet D'deridex.
The Dhelan and Mogai issue is a lot trickier; some people seem to like the current setup, others would prefer to revert it. There are some compelling arguments for both sides. For the time being, I am keeping the BOFFs and consoles as-is.
As always, these changes are not final, and still subject to possible change.
We will continue to monitor the feedback here, and I'm looking forward to seeing a lot more comments once we unlock access to all of the higher level content and ships.
No mention of the enhanced battle cloak problem... IMO if its not going to get a decent design overhaul it shouldn't even be brought into the romulan side or even be on the b'rel thats how much of a let down it is.
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I think I prefer the new Mogai setup... The Lt Cdr Engineer is fantastic, and fits the ship's size and role well. But honestly, so long as it doesn't have triple-ensign-tactical syndrome, I think I'll be happy regardless of what's decided.
Trip-Ensign sucks.
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Please Do the D'Deridex fix-Im one of the sad Rommies that lives to fly the ship -and if you can make that turn rate better please do:):D
As for the Dhelan/Mogai situation. When I look at the two ships, I see in the Mogai a very sleek, aggressive looking ship that also looks somewhat fragile. When I look at it, I don't associate it with engineering. I do feel its a ideal ship for a tactical/science layout. The Dhelan on the other hand looks bulkier and to me looks as if it would have more staying power, and I'd more easily associate that with engineering.
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T'Varo:
Disappointed to the extent of the nerd. While I can live with the BOFF layout, I think it either deserves a better turn rate or an increase to the hull, if it's being put against the B'rel. I wish the tac console slot counts would revert back.
Dehlan:
It's basically the old Mogai, which was what I was going to choose as my main. I like it, and I'm glad it's got better turn rate.
Mogai:
I was going to pick this for the stats in the old version, now not so much. I can see people who liked the model better being upset about the change.
D'deridex:
New version is still terrible. Proposed version sounds interesting. Since it's got a ridiculous turn rate of a carrier, I'd say add at least one hangar slot. Get rid of an ensign if need be to add it.
It won't make the console layout back to the way it was before... So that's basically a worthless change imo.
I like the proposed D'deridex change. I'll abstain from commenting on the other two changes beyond asking why you couldn't simply release both versions to make the two camps happy. The ships already exist so I would think it would be fairly straight forward to do this.
Uh, it got tore up repeatedly in the Dominion War.
Console fittings are not THAT gamebreaking. Really you wont notice much from 1 or even 2 less tac console slots. And todays date there are alot of uni consoles as well.
Station bo layouts are much dependant on the decision for the player to take or not to take (and possibly buy) a ship.
As for the Mogai: First of all, I think you are seeing too much into the size thing. The Mogai Isn't actually all that big. It has a very large wingspan, but the wings are somewhat thin, so the ship doesn't really have that much volume. The Dehalan is much more bulky. I personally think the Dhealan looked the part better than the Mogai just on shape. YOu seem to have fallen into a trap of basing things on the dimensions of Romulan ships, and that doesn't work. Another example is the D'Deridex. It is taller, wider and (I believe) longer than the galaxy, but most of the ship is empty space, so it's likely lighter which means it would have less inertai and be easier to push around.
I also think you shouldn't get stuck in this trap of making Romulan ships equivalent to a class in the Fed or KDF lines. I personally think the Romulan ships should NOT be the same, so saying the Mogai fits in with a destroyer is a statement that could diminish factional flavor. Also, again, the Mogai consoles are more science style consoles, so it would fit better with the Mogai having a science slant.
A big part of this, is that a lot of us were looking forward to flying the Mogai and D'Deridex specifically, so we all want layouts that fit OUR styles. A good compromise would be to give us a tier 5 Mogai and Valdore, one would have the science layout and the other would have the engineering layout, and the costumes could be interchangable, so we can get the layout we want then apply the costume we prefer.
Exactly, the previous Mogai seemed distinctly Romulan to me, but if they turn it into a clone of a Fed ship, that would be very dissapointing since it would be boring if all the ships were samey.
Romulans were always a subversive lot, which says science to me, so it makes sense for their premier ships to have a science slant.
I will be going ahead and making the proposed changes to the D'deridex Retrofit and the Fleet D'deridex.
The Dhelan and Mogai issue is a lot trickier; some people seem to like the current setup, others would prefer to revert it. There are some compelling arguments for both sides. For the time being, I am keeping the BOFFs and consoles as-is.
As always, these changes are not final, and still subject to possible change.
We will continue to monitor the feedback here, and I'm looking forward to seeing a lot more comments once we unlock access to all of the higher level content and ships.
I think that the Tactical/Engineering scheme makes much more sense for a 'Destroyer' like the Mogai than the Tactical/Science scheme. Also, if it were to revert to the Tactical/Science spread, it would need some secondary changes to support that layout, such as the greater shielding of Science vessels or an auxiliary power bonus, neither of which fit with the Mogai's aesthetic.
EDIT: And I posted about two minutes late. Oops.
Please consider a similar setup for the Fleet Galaxy, as the D'Deredix.
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Thanks for making the D'deridex a worthy battleship.
On the Dhelan and Mogai issue- seems to me the best solution is to keep the alternate boff layouts in mind for future Mirror Universe versions of them.
And I do agree with the above poster that tactical/engineering makes the most sense for a "destroyer" type vessel, and that makes the most sense to me for the Mogai. Although the Dhelan seems more suited to being a straight tac/tac escort-type to me, as well.
So did literally every other ship except the Defiant* and the Rotarran. That's the magic of having a main character on the bridge!
Yay for the D'Deridex change!
*Yes, I know it blew up, but they got another one.
D'deridex. Want.
Unfortunately, I really don't see Mirror Dhelen and Mogai as being on the table because their max level versions are C-store ships. The 'Refit' approach.. I don't think would work either as it kind of defeats the purpose of them being separate ships in the first place.
Much to my chagrin, the Mogai really does seem to make the most sense as a Destroyer. It's very similiar to a D'deridex, but lighter and faster - kind of like an Akira compared to a Galaxy, or a Vorcha to a Negh'var. I am personally kind of disappointed, because the squishier science slant felt more 'Cloak - Disable - Dagger'/'Romulan', but the ship does seem more like a 'Fierce Warbird' with its new configuration. Much more of a 'Backbone of the navy', if you will.
Meanwhile, the Dhelen; while I don't care much for the aesthetic of the 'chicken', I can see it's bloated form being a vessel capable of creating gravity wells or having an electronic suite to upload a viral matrix and such. The design does strike me as being a hybrid of an attack ship with science modules wielded onto it.
Do agree with others who've said the look-and-feel of the ships fits better the way they were before as well -- the Dhelan looks much more 'solid' and 'tanky' than the Mogai by a long shot.
And now you're sticking the 1 Ens. Tactical on the more science-oriented ship? I mean, that's just a bad seat for anything, but if it fits anywhere it's on the more direct-fighting style ship. You've also saddled the science-oriented ships with the lesser number of device slots, which also seems backwards, IMO.
Please swap the Mogai back to it's previous science-bent and the set the Dhelan up as the scrappy fighter!
Good choice. as for the Mogai, keep in mind the expansion should bring something fresh and new, some unique ship choices and playstyle posibilities. We already have patrol escort, there is no great tac/sci escort with cloak for ambush style.
Thank you very much, the new D'deridex is awesome and I hope this new configuration makes it to launch. ^^
Also, all the other ships and their changes look fine to me. Though I do think the suggestion of making the two different builds available with the same skin is very interesting. Having the options of a few boff/console layouts available with a skin would be pretty sweet and I imagine would boost sales by letting people *hopefully* more easily slip into the ship who's appearance they love by also having a choice of boff/console layout. Rather a la carte:
Cryptic: Welcome to Star Trek Online, how may I serve you?
Player: Yes, I'll have the mogai retrofit special with the mogai skin, the type A boff seating, and the type B console layout, please.
Doooo eeeet, lol.
I agree with this as well, the Mogai looks like a predatory ship...the Dhelan is bulkier...and more suited to eng than the Mogai.
If I may I would like to post one observation and opinion of what might be going on. I know myself that I would not catch myself flying a Deheal type ship simply because I do not like how it looks at all. I have a feeling that there are people who like me like the look of the Mogai and Valduor and would do anything to have their layout on that chassis.
Just one other note is that I would like to see the flotilla back to its previous skin in sector space. Just doesnt seem like there are enough ships there anymore.
Thank you for the changes to the D'deridex. Those are truly great changes and even someone like me who doesn't like slow ships is looking forward to trying it out.
Even though i was the one to make this topic, i agree with keeping them as is, lots of great feedback from everyone and this does seem like a good idea. Just hope the other costume for the Dhelan looks better than the current one. just not a huge fan of the Dhelan.
My real only suggestion would be to simply have a fleet version of the mogai with the old setup. that way it's the best of both worlds.
As always, thank you so much for replying to our feedback and can't wait till the 21st.
This is exactly it for me.
The previous layouts seemed to be be something more unique and interesting.
I do NOT want Romulan ships to just be clones of Fed and KDF ships just with a battle cloak and some tricks.
Not to mention that the Dhelan and the Ha'TRIBBLE Warbirds aren't very sleek or very Romulan in appearance. I have no interest in flying either. I had to beta test the Dhelan so it didn't take forever to get through the rank Centurion, but I don't have to get into a Ha'TRIBBLE and I'd rather spend real cash to find a ship less powerful and more suited.
EDIT: This reply is obviously my own opinion, based on my own aesthetics. It's not meant to belittle the tremulous efforts of the dev team, truly a good release overall. I would just suggest that the Romulan design ethos is more Art Deco with curved edges and slim lines and less jagged edges, arcane arches and certainly less of the organic arachnid thing. It's not a Romulan style signature. The design team nails it with the architecture and the maps and many other things are toe curling goodness. Just thought I would share my positive viewpoint as well.
I'm in the minority that actually really likes the Ha'apex, it is a strange design but still seems romulan to me. But the Dhelan, yeah i mean great job to the team obviously but just a truly strange design. Really hoping the cstore refit looks better.
No mention of the enhanced battle cloak problem... IMO if its not going to get a decent design overhaul it shouldn't even be brought into the romulan side or even be on the b'rel thats how much of a let down it is.