Fully agreed, the changes to ALL of these ships are ridiculous. I despise engineering as a whole, seeing Sci turned to Eng, especially when it comes to all of these ships being, oh I don't know, ROMULAN, is about as stupid a move as giving a tribble to a Klingon on Honor Day. The bridge officer setups on all of these should be rolled back to what they originally were. Now I'm pissed at having bought the Legacy Pack. I do not, most of all, want to be flying cheap, weak, useless Fed cruiser knockoffs as a bloody Romulan/Reman, Cryptic.
Did you notice you can now use lt Cmdr sci on the much more manuverable T'Varo now without even having to decloak? This ship and the Dhelan were much more weighted towards eng before, and now get lt Cmdr sci.
Being able to sci spam while cloaked is pretty huge and you can have full power to aux while doing it since you don't need weapon or shield power and just fire torps instead. Consider the new possiblities some of these new layouts open up before you go trashing them all.
None of the rommie ships are particularly intriguing (boff set up wise) for sci's like myself. Most of them are boring engie, tac ships. Boy am I glad I held off on buying a legacy or starter pack.
None of the rommie ships are particularly intriguing (boff set up wise) for sci's like myself. Most of them are boring engie, tac ships. Boy am I glad I held off on buying a legacy or starter pack.
Well, there's severa ways to look at this...I'll look at three:
1) The Ha'nom is not part of the pack.
2) The Refit consoles.
3) You never know what you might roll down the road, and the Legacy Pack is cheaper than buying them down the road.
None of the rommie ships are particularly intriguing (boff set up wise) for sci's like myself. Most of them are boring engie, tac ships. Boy am I glad I held off on buying a legacy or starter pack.
You mean the starter pack that gives you a ship that can use Lt Cmdr sci while cloaked?
If that isn't enough they made a new t5 sci ship too, first pure sci ship that battecloaks you can get free.
Well, there's severa ways to look at this...I'll look at three:
1) The Ha'nom is not part of the pack.
2) The Refit consoles.
3) You never know what you might roll down the road, and the Legacy Pack is cheaper than buying them down the road.
people complaining about the loss of the mogai's LTC sci seem to be conveniently overlooking the dhlan with a beter turn rate, and the capability of having a LT sci to go with the TLC sci that it now had. you can even get 5 tac consoles with the fleet version.
The one who is overlookins something here is you. It is not about not getting an escort with a Ltc sci, i guess most ppl are aware of the fact that they just switched layouts between the Mogai and the Dhelan.
The point is that the Dhelan is so dam ugly. You know you buy ships also cause you like the look and the Dhelan is an absolute no go in that aspect. And i am not the only one who thinks so.
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The new Mogai layout is pretty good, keep it, I will buy it maybe in legacy pack or z-store like this. I think it will do great in pvp and no ship has this layout yet, so it is still unique. It still gets 3 sci abilities if you use the uni as sci which most people will have to do anyway.
The T'Varo and Dhelan are more suited to a sci focus escort role as they are more nimble and T'Varo can use sci while cloaked.
Also the old mogai layout wasn't all that good for sci anyway since it only had lt Cmdr sci and if you used the Lt uni as sci you gimp yourself with only ensign eng.
The other 2 ships can run Lt Cmr and Lt sci and still have lt eng so much better boff layout for sci scorts.
The new Mogai layout is pretty good, keep it, I will buy it maybe in legacy pack or z-store like this. I think it will do great in pvp and no ship has this layout yet, so it is still unique. It still gets 3 sci abilities if you use the uni as sci which most people will have to do anyway.
The T'Varo and Dhelan are more suited to a sci focus escort role as they are more nimble and T'Varo can use sci while cloaked.
Also the old mogai layout wasn't all that good for sci anyway since it only had lt Cmdr sci and if you used the Lt uni as sci you gimp yourself with only ensign eng.
The other 2 ships can run Lt Cmr and Lt sci and still have lt eng so much better boff layout for sci scorts.
If you gimp yourselve with only a ens eng depends on the point of view i can imagine setups with only a ensign eng.
And better suited is relative. If you mean it is better suited cause of the higher turnrate, then i just can asure you that the 2 degree higher base turnrate doesn?t matter much in this case.
And true, you have 3 sci abilities on the Mogai, but only up to lt. And personally i like at least 4 or 5 sci slots wit 1 ltc abvailable.
And even if i have to repeat myselfe here 100 times, the main issue ppl have with the Dhelan is its aperance.
Give us a better looking Escort with that setup and you can keep the Mogai with the Ltc eng.
I mean what would you say if you get the current Mogai layout on the Dhelan and the current Dehlan layout on the Mogai?
I guess you would't be that happy either.
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U.S.S. Helios -Vesta Class/R.R.W. Dark Science - Dyson Surveillance Science Destroyer U.S.S. Donut - Fleet Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit TheWiseGuys
If you gimp yourselve with only a ens eng depends on the point of view i can imagine setups with only a ensign eng.
And better suited is relative. If you mean it is better suited cause of the higher turnrate, then i just can asure you that the 2 degree higher base turnrate doesn?t matter much in this case.
And true, you have 3 sci abilities on the Mogai, but only up to lt. And personally i like at least 4 or 5 sci slots wit 1 ltc abvailable.
And even if i have to repeat myselfe here 100 times, the main issue ppl have with the Dhelan is its aperance.
Give us a better looking Escort with that setup and you can keep the Mogai with the Ltc eng.
I mean what would you say if you get the current Mogai layout on the Dhelan and the current Dehlan layout on the Mogai?
I guess you would't be that happy either.
I agree the Dhelan is ugly, most don't like the upper wing at all and the angle the wings are at, hopefully there are a few other skins to choose from to help fix this.
You presume too much that I wouldn't be happy with the Dhelan layout, I have 9 characters and ships of all classes, I can make mostly anything work besides a few layouts I hate like the Galaxy. I am going to get both of those ships the regardless, I am just explaining why I feel both are better as it is now. I probably will use the T'varo for a sci build instead of the Dhelan though since it has enhance battle cloak, and will go more tac heavy on dhelan.
T'varo is what you should be looking at for running lt Cmdr and lt sci, you can use those abilities without decloaking, and still have Lt eng for more hull heals, or 2x epts if you do want to decloak.
Honestly I would be happiest with the Fleet Ha'escort loadout on the Fleet Mogai. It has a universal Lt Com slot, and that would make people happy all around too.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
I agree the Dhelan is ugly, most don't like the upper wing at all and the angle the wings are at, hopefully there are a few other skins to choose from to help fix this.
You presume too much that I wouldn't be happy with the Dhelan layout, I have 9 characters and ships of all classes, I can make mostly anything work besides a few layouts I hate like the Galaxy. I am going to get both of those ships the regardless, I am just explaining why I feel both are better as it is now. I probably will use the T'varo for a sci build instead of the Dhelan though since it has enhance battle cloak, and will go more tac heavy on dhelan.
T'varo is what you should be looking at for running lt Cmdr and lt sci, you can use those abilities without decloaking, and still have Lt eng for more hull heals, or 2x epts if you do want to decloak.
You missunderstood me. Concernig the part that you wouldn't be happy wasn't about the layout it was about the look. I said if the Dehlan had the current Mogai layout and you want that layout, you would have to use the Dhelan. And i guessed you wouldn't like the look of it that much also.
I can get basically any layout to work also, it is just a matter of what i prefer. If i spend money/zen on a ship i want one that i really like lin terms of layout general stats and apearance.
And so far the only Warbird where i really like all those things, beside the D'Deridex would be the Mogai/Valdor with the current Dhelan boff layout or the one hte Mogai had before the last change. And i would prefer an escort over the D'Deridex.
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But yeah, this seems to be how tactical and how science captains want their favourite Mogai to be, a Multivector assault escort or a Patrol escort.
I would like the patrol escort one, because it would go well with the armored looking Valdore skin.
Still I think a ship with 3 eng and 3 science slots plus a universal Lt Com slot should please everybody as the Fleet Mogai.
Though the current build is flexible. You can use that LT slot for anything. A lt com can take care of your eng needs for an stf, as can the ensign science with the Hazard emitters.
So you can go science, engineer, or tactical with the Lt Universal slot, and all will be a viable option.
Edit : Did an ISE on my romulan tactical with a Mogai Refit.
This ship is a Critical hit dream for any tactical, especially one like me who will want to go with maximising the critical chance rate for Antiprotons.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
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Did you notice you can now use lt Cmdr sci on the much more manuverable T'Varo now without even having to decloak? This ship and the Dhelan were much more weighted towards eng before, and now get lt Cmdr sci.
Being able to sci spam while cloaked is pretty huge and you can have full power to aux while doing it since you don't need weapon or shield power and just fire torps instead. Consider the new possiblities some of these new layouts open up before you go trashing them all.
This is the lamest, weakest argument ever.
No one even knew the stats when they shelled out money in the pre-sale. Who are these people trying to kid?
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Well, there's severa ways to look at this...I'll look at three:
1) The Ha'nom is not part of the pack.
2) The Refit consoles.
3) You never know what you might roll down the road, and the Legacy Pack is cheaper than buying them down the road.
Personally, I'm digging the Ha'nom...
You mean the starter pack that gives you a ship that can use Lt Cmdr sci while cloaked?
If that isn't enough they made a new t5 sci ship too, first pure sci ship that battecloaks you can get free.
TBH, it looks a little too phallic for my tastes.
What ship is that?
The Ha'nom is the T5 Sci Vessel...
...and ugh, why did you have to mention that? I hadn't looked at it like that, but once you see it - you can't not see it...
/sigh
So, the Ha'apax/Ha'nom - it's not circumcised.
/sigh
/sigh
Go watch some videos of owls. You'll feel better afterwards.
Then watch some videos of blue whale penises to balance out that good feeling.
Grim, I was going to ask you if you were going to try your RSV build from the PvP thread with the Ha'nom... but I forgot.
The one who is overlookins something here is you. It is not about not getting an escort with a Ltc sci, i guess most ppl are aware of the fact that they just switched layouts between the Mogai and the Dhelan.
The point is that the Dhelan is so dam ugly. You know you buy ships also cause you like the look and the Dhelan is an absolute no go in that aspect. And i am not the only one who thinks so.
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U.S.S. Donut - Fleet Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit
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The T'Varo and Dhelan are more suited to a sci focus escort role as they are more nimble and T'Varo can use sci while cloaked.
Also the old mogai layout wasn't all that good for sci anyway since it only had lt Cmdr sci and if you used the Lt uni as sci you gimp yourself with only ensign eng.
The other 2 ships can run Lt Cmr and Lt sci and still have lt eng so much better boff layout for sci scorts.
If you gimp yourselve with only a ens eng depends on the point of view i can imagine setups with only a ensign eng.
And better suited is relative. If you mean it is better suited cause of the higher turnrate, then i just can asure you that the 2 degree higher base turnrate doesn?t matter much in this case.
And true, you have 3 sci abilities on the Mogai, but only up to lt. And personally i like at least 4 or 5 sci slots wit 1 ltc abvailable.
And even if i have to repeat myselfe here 100 times, the main issue ppl have with the Dhelan is its aperance.
Give us a better looking Escort with that setup and you can keep the Mogai with the Ltc eng.
I mean what would you say if you get the current Mogai layout on the Dhelan and the current Dehlan layout on the Mogai?
I guess you would't be that happy either.
U.S.S. Helios -Vesta Class / R.R.W. Dark Science - Dyson Surveillance Science Destroyer
U.S.S. Donut - Fleet Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit
TheWiseGuys
I agree the Dhelan is ugly, most don't like the upper wing at all and the angle the wings are at, hopefully there are a few other skins to choose from to help fix this.
You presume too much that I wouldn't be happy with the Dhelan layout, I have 9 characters and ships of all classes, I can make mostly anything work besides a few layouts I hate like the Galaxy. I am going to get both of those ships the regardless, I am just explaining why I feel both are better as it is now. I probably will use the T'varo for a sci build instead of the Dhelan though since it has enhance battle cloak, and will go more tac heavy on dhelan.
T'varo is what you should be looking at for running lt Cmdr and lt sci, you can use those abilities without decloaking, and still have Lt eng for more hull heals, or 2x epts if you do want to decloak.
You missunderstood me. Concernig the part that you wouldn't be happy wasn't about the layout it was about the look. I said if the Dehlan had the current Mogai layout and you want that layout, you would have to use the Dhelan. And i guessed you wouldn't like the look of it that much also.
I can get basically any layout to work also, it is just a matter of what i prefer. If i spend money/zen on a ship i want one that i really like lin terms of layout general stats and apearance.
And so far the only Warbird where i really like all those things, beside the D'Deridex would be the Mogai/Valdor with the current Dhelan boff layout or the one hte Mogai had before the last change. And i would prefer an escort over the D'Deridex.
U.S.S. Helios -Vesta Class / R.R.W. Dark Science - Dyson Surveillance Science Destroyer
U.S.S. Donut - Fleet Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit
TheWiseGuys
But yeah, this seems to be how tactical and how science captains want their favourite Mogai to be, a Multivector assault escort or a Patrol escort.
I would like the patrol escort one, because it would go well with the armored looking Valdore skin.
Still I think a ship with 3 eng and 3 science slots plus a universal Lt Com slot should please everybody as the Fleet Mogai.
Though the current build is flexible. You can use that LT slot for anything. A lt com can take care of your eng needs for an stf, as can the ensign science with the Hazard emitters.
So you can go science, engineer, or tactical with the Lt Universal slot, and all will be a viable option.
Edit : Did an ISE on my romulan tactical with a Mogai Refit.
This ship is a Critical hit dream for any tactical, especially one like me who will want to go with maximising the critical chance rate for Antiprotons.