Sure balancing is difficult, but seriously these BoFF set up changes were either made without thinking or just to make the players mad.
Its possible these Boff changes were made specifically to tone down their power and try to balance them out that way, instead of making battecloak have too long a CD or the ships having paper thin hull. Their previous stats really gave the impression of fed ships with a battlecloak tacked on top for little to no downsides, something that basically made a mockery of ship balance.
I only skimmed so this may have been mentioned but some of the ships also had their hulls tweaked. So the T'Varo also has a reduced hull which is below any ship I think I have every seen.
The T'varo got the 3000 hull reduction due to the enhanced battle cloak that lets it fire torps while cloaked. it also lost the 5th tac console for this reason as well.
It should be compared to the B'Rel Retrofit on the KDF side and no other ship because it now is the romulan version of that, though it's actually more powerful.
It should be compared to the B'Rel Retrofit on the KDF side and no other ship because it now is the romulan version of that, though it's actually more powerful.
That's a bad comparison IMO. The T'Varo doesn't have the same characteristics as a Klingon BoP. So it's weird.
Maybe go the full way? Give it comparable turn rate and full universal BOFFs? Right now it's like a red headed stepchild or second cousin once removed from the B'Rel.
The T'varo still seems interesting - flimsy like a Brel, but with a bit more punch instead of uni boffs.
Seems ok from a balance PoV; it was admittedly too powerful before.
Mogai got kinda shafted.
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The T'varo got the 3000 hull reduction due to the enhanced battle cloak that lets it fire torps while cloaked. it also lost the 5th tac console for this reason as well.
It should be compared to the B'Rel Retrofit on the KDF side and no other ship because it now is the romulan version of that, though it's actually more powerful.
would love to be able to test that feature... could be good on paper but not practice.
That's a bad comparison IMO. The T'Varo doesn't have the same characteristics as a Klingon BoP. So it's weird.
Maybe go the full way? Give it comparable turn rate and full universal BOFFs? Right now it's like a red headed stepchild or second cousin once removed from the B'Rel.
true but you kinda have to compare it to that because of the enhanced battle cloak, and that is the reason why the hull dropped so much. But your right that it's still a long way off from the b'rel.
I bet no one buys legacy packs after these changes.
I know I wont anymore; now same old boring Bo and console set ups nothing unique now they shafted the T'varo, Mogai and D'deridex Warbird and they wonder why they didn't sell more packs.
So fed up with this game nothing new, same old stupid builds.
Anyone wonder why a huge engineer wand came change the setups. Are not Romulans Science base, why would u change the Mogai WTF!!!
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The Mogai is quite simply better with the changes. Now we have the option of running with just an ensign science (which is not good) compared to the option of running with just an ensign engineer (which is TERRIBLE).
I bet no one buys legacy packs after these changes.
I know I wont anymore; now same old boring Bo and console set ups nothing unique now they shafted the T'varo, Mogai and D'deridex Warbird and they wonder why they didn't sell more packs.
So fed up with this game nothing new, same old stupid builds.
Anyone wonder why a huge engineer wand came change the setups. Are not Romulans Science base, why would u change the Mogai WTF!!!
Not gonna lie, i'd rather the mogai to back to what it was, but i'm actually more inclined to buy the legacy pack now since with the changes i'll fly the mogai, t'varo and dehlan verses before only the mogai and t'varo.
Y'know, I want to fly the T'varo, but I could've gone without the Enhanced Battle Cloak. >_>
The B'rel has her share of horror stories with her own Enhanced Battle Cloak. I just figured the same would apply to the T'varo. I'd just as well see it taken off... though I figure I could make it work by using restorative powers while cloaked, and uncloaking for attack runs.
Please leave the T'Varo in its current state, it is perfect and probably one of the best ships in the game now with its new boff layout. The new console layout is great too and also works about as good as the old console layout, even better for using sci attacks from cloak.
If any of these complainers ever played a bop at all they would realize a lt Cmdr universal is much more useful then a 5th tac console. The old boff layout was horrible and you couldn't make the ship work as a bop in its former state, it had no way to get Lt Cmdr sci, and its supposed Lt Universal wasn't even really universal since you would have no sci if you used it for something else.
I still like the Mogai, been waiting for awhile for a escort with Lt Cmdr eng and Lt and Ensign sci, temporal destroyer and Chel Grett got close to it but not quite there.
~_~ I disagree about the T'varo being perfect... but it is pretty close to being fine.
The change I'd really like to see with it is replacing its Ensign Tactical station into an Ensign Science. It'd feel more Romulan, for one, and if you did use your LtC universal station for tactical... you wouldn't be stuck trying to juggle around 3 ensign tactical powers.
Losing the 5th tactical slot is a bit of a shame, but I can live with that.
Please leave the T'Varo in its current state, it is perfect and probably one of the best ships in the game now with its new boff layout. The new console layout is great too and also works about as good as the old console layout, even better for using sci attacks from cloak.
If any of these complainers ever played a bop at all they would realize a lt Cmdr universal is much more useful then a 5th tac console. The old boff layout was horrible and you couldn't make the ship work as a bop in its former state, it had no way to get Lt Cmdr sci, and its supposed Lt Universal wasn't even really universal since you would have no sci if you used it for something else.
I still like the Mogai, been waiting for awhile for a escort with Lt Cmdr eng and Lt and Ensign sci, temporal destroyer and Chel Grett got close to it but not quite there.
I'd rather have the 5th tac console and a universal ensign on the T'varo with it's current boff layout. It's not a bop, it's a warbird.
I guess they decided that the Dhelan ships are now the Sci ships. As for more sci ships they are there in the Split up of the Ha'apax ships where the Sci is the Ha'nom and the Fleet Ha'nom.
The Mogai always seemed more tac than sci to me. It is the equivalent to a Raptor for the Klingons.
I do still wish they would do something with the D'Deridex's though they did a patch back increase the turn rate by one without telling us. Originally the D'Deridex and the Ha'apax had 4 turn rate where they are 5 since the patch before this one.
I guess they decided that the Dhelan ships are now the Sci ships. As for more sci ships they are there in the Split up of the Ha'apax ships where the Sci is the Ha'nom and the Fleet Ha'nom.
The Mogai always seemed more tac than sci to me. It is the equivalent to a Raptor for the Klingons.
I do still wish they would do something with the D'Deridex's though they did a patch back increase the turn rate by one without telling us. Originally the D'Deridex and the Ha'apax had 4 turn rate where they are 5 since the patch before this one.
The Ha'apax for me handled better than the Mog or D'D. I dont think it really had the same turn rate of the DD. It least it didnt feel that way.
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We've been monitoring the feedback closely, and I'd like to run two specific changes behind the people here.
-We could swap the Mogai back to Tactical/Science and the Dhelan back to Tactical/Engineering. I can see that a lot of people preferred the old setup, but there seem to be some people who prefer the new version as well. The Mogai is the "heavier" ship and more comparable to a Destroyer in turn rate and hull, so Engineering seems to be a little more appropriate, but I can see the argument that the consoles for the Mogai have a more "Science" feel.
This could occur either by just swapping the current Dhelan Retrofit and Mogai Retrofit seating, or by giving the Dhelan Retrofit the current Mogai Retrofit seating and reverting the Mogai Retrofit back to its old seating.
I'd like to see more arguments for one side or another that involve more than personal preference.
-I am considering changing the D'deridex Retrofit to the following:
Ensign Tac, Lt. Com Tac, Commander Eng, Lt. Com Sci, En Universal
Consoles would most likely be adjusted as well if this change was made, probably to 3-3-3 on the Retrofit and 3-4-3 (4 Eng) on the Fleet version.
As always, these are just possible changes - nothing is set in stone.
We've been monitoring the feedback closely, and I'd like to run two specific changes behind the people here.
-We could swap the Mogai back to Tactical/Science and the Dhelan back to Tactical/Engineering. I can see that a lot of people preferred the old setup, but there seem to be some people who prefer the new version as well. The Mogai is the "heavier" ship and more comparable to a Destroyer in turn rate and hull, so Engineering seems to be a little more appropriate, but I can see the argument that the consoles for the Mogai have a more "Science" feel.
This could occur either by just swapping the current Dhelan Retrofit and Mogai Retrofit seating, or by giving the Dhelan Retrofit the current Mogai Retrofit seating and reverting the Mogai Retrofit back to its old seating.
I'd like to see more arguments for one side or another that involve more than personal preference.
-I am considering changing the D'deridex Retrofit to the following:
Ensign Tac, Lt. Com Tac, Commander Eng, Lt. Com Sci, En Universal
Consoles would most likely be adjusted as well if this change was made, probably to 3-3-3 on the Retrofit and 3-4-3 (4 Eng) on the Fleet version.
As always, these are just possible changes - nothing is set in stone.
If you change the D'deridex like that, you can have my soul*, oh dark dev overlord ! :eek::o:D
Otherwise, I don't mind the changes to the Dhaelan and the Mogai, both versions were fine with me, as long as the console layout matches with the dominant Boff station. (As in, not having 4 sci consoles if the ship has only minimal sci capabilities boff-wise).
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Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
-I am considering changing the D'deridex Retrofit to the following:
Ensign Tac, Lt. Com Tac, Commander Eng, Lt. Com Sci, En Universal
Consoles would most likely be adjusted as well if this change was made, probably to 3-3-3 on the Retrofit and 3-4-3 (4 Eng) on the Fleet version.
If I may sound a little bit childish here - OHMAHGAWD YESPLEASE MAKEIT SO!!!111one"
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But seriously, I personally support this idea and I think many other D'deridex fans would be really pleased to see this change go live, especially with all that "bawww only 2 tac consoles" talk.
If anything, I hope you'll keep the Lt.Cmdr. Science on this ship.
As for the Mogai, maybe it was supposed to be a destroyer, but in terms of looks alone I would say it's the Dhelan that looks more sturdy. Also, people kind of liked the layout similar to FEDs MVAE and considered it a decent alternative for the D'deridex. And I must say, you should make your priority to make the most desired canon ships most appealing (business-wise). Didn't see anyone complain about Lt.Cmdr. Sci on the Mogai, although I may be wrong.
We've been monitoring the feedback closely, and I'd like to run two specific changes behind the people here.
-We could swap the Mogai back to Tactical/Science and the Dhelan back to Tactical/Engineering. I can see that a lot of people preferred the old setup, but there seem to be some people who prefer the new version as well. The Mogai is the "heavier" ship and more comparable to a Destroyer in turn rate and hull, so Engineering seems to be a little more appropriate, but I can see the argument that the consoles for the Mogai have a more "Science" feel.
This could occur either by just swapping the current Dhelan Retrofit and Mogai Retrofit seating, or by giving the Dhelan Retrofit the current Mogai Retrofit seating and reverting the Mogai Retrofit back to its old seating.
I'd like to see more arguments for one side or another that involve more than personal preference.
-I am considering changing the D'deridex Retrofit to the following:
Ensign Tac, Lt. Com Tac, Commander Eng, Lt. Com Sci, En Universal
Consoles would most likely be adjusted as well if this change was made, probably to 3-3-3 on the Retrofit and 3-4-3 (4 Eng) on the Fleet version.
As always, these are just possible changes - nothing is set in stone.
We've been monitoring the feedback closely, and I'd like to run two specific changes behind the people here.
-We could swap the Mogai back to Tactical/Science and the Dhelan back to Tactical/Engineering. I can see that a lot of people preferred the old setup, but there seem to be some people who prefer the new version as well. The Mogai is the "heavier" ship and more comparable to a Destroyer in turn rate and hull, so Engineering seems to be a little more appropriate, but I can see the argument that the consoles for the Mogai have a more "Science" feel.
This could occur either by just swapping the current Dhelan Retrofit and Mogai Retrofit seating, or by giving the Dhelan Retrofit the current Mogai Retrofit seating and reverting the Mogai Retrofit back to its old seating.
I'd like to see more arguments for one side or another that involve more than personal preference.
-I am considering changing the D'deridex Retrofit to the following:
Ensign Tac, Lt. Com Tac, Commander Eng, Lt. Com Sci, En Universal
Consoles would most likely be adjusted as well if this change was made, probably to 3-3-3 on the Retrofit and 3-4-3 (4 Eng) on the Fleet version.
As always, these are just possible changes - nothing is set in stone.
as always thank you so much for replying.
first off, I never had any plans to fly the D'deridex. If you change it to that setup it might be tough to get me away from it. that is just an awesome setup for that ship.
Now regarding the mogai/dhelan.
I would be just fine with a straight up swap between the two ships, and though i agree the mogai is a heavier destroyer type ship, it's sleak and stealthy compared to the dhelan which is a larger ship which to me says engineering. not necessarily larger in overall size but if you look at them i think you'll understand what i mean, the mogai has the long wings and not a huge hull like the dhelan.
I do feel that romuans should have a 5 tac console ship somewhere so if the dhelan retrofit got the current mogai retrofit, i would still suggest giving the fleet version the 5th tac to that instead of the mogai giving the fleet versions.
To be honest though i've pretty much gotten over it and i'll be fine flying them either way, but i would sure be happier if the two would be switched and the fleet mogai getting it's 4th science slot back which is really what most of us are upset about.
Also, would be nice to see the dhael refit in game soon.
I'd rather have the 5th tac console and a universal ensign on the T'varo with it's current boff layout. It's not a bop, it's a warbird.
It clearly states on the blog this ship will appeal to raider pilots, that's why it has enhanced battle cloak. This ship is supposed to be called a bop but is called a warbird in sto to avoid confusion with KDF BOP. The current console and boff layout is balanced and will let the T'Varo lean eng or sci heavy equally well. You really have to have piloted a B'rel before to know how powerful Lt Cmdr uni is with enhanced battle cloak, you can do all kind of sci spam while cloaked then follow up with torps or decloak for energy attack after. The old boff layout couldn't have access to Lt Cmdr sci skills so couldn't use the EBC very good before.
-We could swap the Mogai back to Tactical/Science and the Dhelan back to Tactical/Engineering. I can see that a lot of people preferred the old setup, but there seem to be some people who prefer the new version as well. The Mogai is the "heavier" ship and more comparable to a Destroyer in turn rate and hull, so Engineering seems to be a little more appropriate, but I can see the argument that the consoles for the Mogai have a more "Science" feel.
This could occur either by just swapping the current Dhelan Retrofit and Mogai Retrofit seating, or by giving the Dhelan Retrofit the current Mogai Retrofit seating and reverting the Mogai Retrofit back to its old seating.
I'd like to see more arguments for one side or another that involve more than personal preference.
Ok i'll offer a real argument for they the Mogai is better this way round. It is an escort/destroyer. It is going to draw a lot of agro. 2 engineering slots is absolutely vital. 3 is better. If you change it back you might as well get rid of the universal lt.
As it is now it is possible to make do with just ensign science, meaning the universal slot actually provides flexibility. A lone ensign engineer BO slot is not sufficient. Period.
Plus there are no really good science skills for an escort/destroyer to use beyond Hazard Emitters and Transfer Shield Strength. Polarize Hull is a possible third. None of these require anything more than an ensign slot. The Lt. Commander position is, quite simply, unnecessary.
Oh and if you don't mind, would you consider making the Fleet Mogai a 4/3/3 console split? I know it is out of form with ships having a Commander slot and a Lt Commander slot of a different type.
We've been monitoring the feedback closely, and I'd like to run two specific changes behind the people here.
-We could swap the Mogai back to Tactical/Science and the Dhelan back to Tactical/Engineering. I can see that a lot of people preferred the old setup, but there seem to be some people who prefer the new version as well. The Mogai is the "heavier" ship and more comparable to a Destroyer in turn rate and hull, so Engineering seems to be a little more appropriate, but I can see the argument that the consoles for the Mogai have a more "Science" feel.
This could occur either by just swapping the current Dhelan Retrofit and Mogai Retrofit seating, or by giving the Dhelan Retrofit the current Mogai Retrofit seating and reverting the Mogai Retrofit back to its old seating.
I'd like to see more arguments for one side or another that involve more than personal preference.
-I am considering changing the D'deridex Retrofit to the following:
Ensign Tac, Lt. Com Tac, Commander Eng, Lt. Com Sci, En Universal
Consoles would most likely be adjusted as well if this change was made, probably to 3-3-3 on the Retrofit and 3-4-3 (4 Eng) on the Fleet version.
As always, these are just possible changes - nothing is set in stone.
I am very pleased you are listening to us on the D'Deridex, this would be a great boff layout for it! Thank you. The console layout is better then before, but I would have preferred a 4th tac console. I can see where you are going with this idea though, making it so the D'D can lean towards tac or sci equally well so this is also a good idea.
I am fine with the Mogai new layout but also don't mind the old one so don't mind if it gets changed back. The T'varo is much better from a BOP pilot perspective, giving up 5th tac console is worth it for the more versatile boff layout.
The Legacy pack looks much more appealing now, I will get it soon.
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Its possible these Boff changes were made specifically to tone down their power and try to balance them out that way, instead of making battecloak have too long a CD or the ships having paper thin hull. Their previous stats really gave the impression of fed ships with a battlecloak tacked on top for little to no downsides, something that basically made a mockery of ship balance.
The T'varo got the 3000 hull reduction due to the enhanced battle cloak that lets it fire torps while cloaked. it also lost the 5th tac console for this reason as well.
It should be compared to the B'Rel Retrofit on the KDF side and no other ship because it now is the romulan version of that, though it's actually more powerful.
That's a bad comparison IMO. The T'Varo doesn't have the same characteristics as a Klingon BoP. So it's weird.
Maybe go the full way? Give it comparable turn rate and full universal BOFFs? Right now it's like a red headed stepchild or second cousin once removed from the B'Rel.
Seems ok from a balance PoV; it was admittedly too powerful before.
Mogai got kinda shafted.
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would love to be able to test that feature... could be good on paper but not practice.
true but you kinda have to compare it to that because of the enhanced battle cloak, and that is the reason why the hull dropped so much. But your right that it's still a long way off from the b'rel.
I know I wont anymore; now same old boring Bo and console set ups nothing unique now they shafted the T'varo, Mogai and D'deridex Warbird and they wonder why they didn't sell more packs.
So fed up with this game nothing new, same old stupid builds.
Anyone wonder why a huge engineer wand came change the setups. Are not Romulans Science base, why would u change the Mogai WTF!!!
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T'varo such nerf it hurts.Good luck making profit with current stats of ship.(u still have time to undo the changes tho)
Fleet dehlan???LtCmdr Engineer/universal plox?
Not gonna lie, i'd rather the mogai to back to what it was, but i'm actually more inclined to buy the legacy pack now since with the changes i'll fly the mogai, t'varo and dehlan verses before only the mogai and t'varo.
T'Varo had to be nerfed. You can't have an enhanced battle cloak and not be balanced in another way.
The B'rel has her share of horror stories with her own Enhanced Battle Cloak. I just figured the same would apply to the T'varo. I'd just as well see it taken off... though I figure I could make it work by using restorative powers while cloaked, and uncloaking for attack runs.
If any of these complainers ever played a bop at all they would realize a lt Cmdr universal is much more useful then a 5th tac console. The old boff layout was horrible and you couldn't make the ship work as a bop in its former state, it had no way to get Lt Cmdr sci, and its supposed Lt Universal wasn't even really universal since you would have no sci if you used it for something else.
I still like the Mogai, been waiting for awhile for a escort with Lt Cmdr eng and Lt and Ensign sci, temporal destroyer and Chel Grett got close to it but not quite there.
The change I'd really like to see with it is replacing its Ensign Tactical station into an Ensign Science. It'd feel more Romulan, for one, and if you did use your LtC universal station for tactical... you wouldn't be stuck trying to juggle around 3 ensign tactical powers.
Losing the 5th tactical slot is a bit of a shame, but I can live with that.
Now I'm kind of glad that I held off on picking up the big money pack
In the end I'll most likely buy the pack anyway becasue I plan on roling @ least 3 Romulan and one Reman.
I'd rather have the 5th tac console and a universal ensign on the T'varo with it's current boff layout. It's not a bop, it's a warbird.
The Mogai always seemed more tac than sci to me. It is the equivalent to a Raptor for the Klingons.
I do still wish they would do something with the D'Deridex's though they did a patch back increase the turn rate by one without telling us. Originally the D'Deridex and the Ha'apax had 4 turn rate where they are 5 since the patch before this one.
The Ha'apax for me handled better than the Mog or D'D. I dont think it really had the same turn rate of the DD. It least it didnt feel that way.
Sure the KDf has things that are kinda close, but not really the same.
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-We could swap the Mogai back to Tactical/Science and the Dhelan back to Tactical/Engineering. I can see that a lot of people preferred the old setup, but there seem to be some people who prefer the new version as well. The Mogai is the "heavier" ship and more comparable to a Destroyer in turn rate and hull, so Engineering seems to be a little more appropriate, but I can see the argument that the consoles for the Mogai have a more "Science" feel.
This could occur either by just swapping the current Dhelan Retrofit and Mogai Retrofit seating, or by giving the Dhelan Retrofit the current Mogai Retrofit seating and reverting the Mogai Retrofit back to its old seating.
I'd like to see more arguments for one side or another that involve more than personal preference.
-I am considering changing the D'deridex Retrofit to the following:
Ensign Tac, Lt. Com Tac, Commander Eng, Lt. Com Sci, En Universal
Consoles would most likely be adjusted as well if this change was made, probably to 3-3-3 on the Retrofit and 3-4-3 (4 Eng) on the Fleet version.
As always, these are just possible changes - nothing is set in stone.
If you change the D'deridex like that, you can have my soul*, oh dark dev overlord ! :eek::o:D
Otherwise, I don't mind the changes to the Dhaelan and the Mogai, both versions were fine with me, as long as the console layout matches with the dominant Boff station. (As in, not having 4 sci consoles if the ship has only minimal sci capabilities boff-wise).
* and did I mention money ? you can have my money too !
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But seriously, I personally support this idea and I think many other D'deridex fans would be really pleased to see this change go live, especially with all that "bawww only 2 tac consoles" talk.
If anything, I hope you'll keep the Lt.Cmdr. Science on this ship.
As for the Mogai, maybe it was supposed to be a destroyer, but in terms of looks alone I would say it's the Dhelan that looks more sturdy. Also, people kind of liked the layout similar to FEDs MVAE and considered it a decent alternative for the D'deridex. And I must say, you should make your priority to make the most desired canon ships most appealing (business-wise). Didn't see anyone complain about Lt.Cmdr. Sci on the Mogai, although I may be wrong.
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as always thank you so much for replying.
first off, I never had any plans to fly the D'deridex. If you change it to that setup it might be tough to get me away from it. that is just an awesome setup for that ship.
Now regarding the mogai/dhelan.
I would be just fine with a straight up swap between the two ships, and though i agree the mogai is a heavier destroyer type ship, it's sleak and stealthy compared to the dhelan which is a larger ship which to me says engineering. not necessarily larger in overall size but if you look at them i think you'll understand what i mean, the mogai has the long wings and not a huge hull like the dhelan.
I do feel that romuans should have a 5 tac console ship somewhere so if the dhelan retrofit got the current mogai retrofit, i would still suggest giving the fleet version the 5th tac to that instead of the mogai giving the fleet versions.
Dhelan: 5 tac, 3 eng, 2 sci
Mogai: 4 tac, 4 sci, 2 eng,
To be honest though i've pretty much gotten over it and i'll be fine flying them either way, but i would sure be happier if the two would be switched and the fleet mogai getting it's 4th science slot back which is really what most of us are upset about.
Also, would be nice to see the dhael refit in game soon.
It clearly states on the blog this ship will appeal to raider pilots, that's why it has enhanced battle cloak. This ship is supposed to be called a bop but is called a warbird in sto to avoid confusion with KDF BOP. The current console and boff layout is balanced and will let the T'Varo lean eng or sci heavy equally well. You really have to have piloted a B'rel before to know how powerful Lt Cmdr uni is with enhanced battle cloak, you can do all kind of sci spam while cloaked then follow up with torps or decloak for energy attack after. The old boff layout couldn't have access to Lt Cmdr sci skills so couldn't use the EBC very good before.
If anything should be a 5 tac console ship, it should be the Fleet Mogai alone. For 3 years, it has been The Romulan Escort; why change that now?
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That D'deridex-R makes me squee.
Ok i'll offer a real argument for they the Mogai is better this way round. It is an escort/destroyer. It is going to draw a lot of agro. 2 engineering slots is absolutely vital. 3 is better. If you change it back you might as well get rid of the universal lt.
As it is now it is possible to make do with just ensign science, meaning the universal slot actually provides flexibility. A lone ensign engineer BO slot is not sufficient. Period.
Plus there are no really good science skills for an escort/destroyer to use beyond Hazard Emitters and Transfer Shield Strength. Polarize Hull is a possible third. None of these require anything more than an ensign slot. The Lt. Commander position is, quite simply, unnecessary.
Oh and if you don't mind, would you consider making the Fleet Mogai a 4/3/3 console split? I know it is out of form with ships having a Commander slot and a Lt Commander slot of a different type.
I am very pleased you are listening to us on the D'Deridex, this would be a great boff layout for it! Thank you. The console layout is better then before, but I would have preferred a 4th tac console. I can see where you are going with this idea though, making it so the D'D can lean towards tac or sci equally well so this is also a good idea.
I am fine with the Mogai new layout but also don't mind the old one so don't mind if it gets changed back. The T'varo is much better from a BOP pilot perspective, giving up 5th tac console is worth it for the more versatile boff layout.
The Legacy pack looks much more appealing now, I will get it soon.