With the imbalance in ships in favor of the Feds, I'm honestly amazed to see people still harping on the "battle cloak gives the BOP an unfair tactical advantage" routine.
Does having one of the most durable, maneuverable 5-TAC console escorts in the game not equate to the same thing for the Feds? Last time I checked the Fl. Defiant still gets the benefit of a Cloaked Alpha?
Would the Feds be prepared to give up some hull and shields and replace the 5-TAC consoles with 4 for the BC? Seems fair? I would gladly defend that.
And when will the Feds stop comparing escorts with Raiders?
Yes the BOP has the Battle cloak. Woop-dee-woop.
It also has one less turret, less hull, less shields and less Tac consoles.
With the new 1000 day Vet ships the Klingons got now an escort with a battle cloak, I think it is time that also the Defiant get's a battle cloak. Otherwise the Federation is completly loosing out against the Klingons, that can mount on every ship Cannons, and 95% of their ships have a cloak, battle cloak or advanced battle cloak.
The Khitomer Accords don't involve the Federation's usage of cloaking technology. The Treaty of Algeron, which was signed by the Federation and Romulan Star Empire, which partially said that the Federation would not develop cloaking technology. It was also kind of a sign of good faith to other powers (such as the Klingons, Cardassians, etc) that they wouldn't do so, even if those other powers didn't sign that Treaty too.
That aside, I am not gonna to waste anyone's time by re-saying the same arguments, since they apparently don't seem to make a slightest bit of difference considering this thread is still here. I will just say this:
Give up a tac console, a rear weapon port, a good percentage of your hull and shields, and you may have your battle cloak, because otherwise you just want an already very powerful escort, to gain a very large advantage for no cost aside from one mere console slot.
Plus, think about this: If there is ever a Romulan faction, about 95% of their ships will have cloaking as well, and possibly even some new/different cloaking based tech on their ships, or even potentially on the ground. I can see it now: "I want a perfect cloak like the Scimitar has!" Regardless, I doubt those future Romulan players will like the idea of giving up any advantages their faction has just because a Federation player wants it.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Give the Qin, Somraw and other raptors a fifth Tac console slot and a battle cloak, remove the handicaps put upon the Bird of Prey vessel lines for having battle cloak in the first place and we may be aproaching fairness in wether or not the Defiant deserves a battle cloak.
Otherwise NO
cant believe that you are ALL still on about giving the retrofit defiant Battlecloak.... stop it already its not like the feds don't have enough toys without you trying to get your hands on all of the KDF toys as well you want battlecloak and the KDF toys then roll a KDF character otherwise PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS SACRED shut the hell up
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I agree, the Defiant NEEDS a battle cloak. The reason it didn't get one so far was because of balancing for both factions. To be honest, I doubt the Defiant getting a BC will be that much of a major issue. Considering most players in this game only play PvE, why not give that little ship what it deserves? Besides from the fact that in Trek any ship with a cloak could use it when ever... :-)
Huh? Do u even know what u just said? I think is funny bcs, most of the fed only players don˙t even know why kdf have BC. So just stop giving stupid ideas bcs it doesn`t make any sence. Also fed got about at least 12 ships, probably even more, comparing when kdf goten the latest ship. So pls feddies stop complaining!"!! " ahhh KDF is OP, we are weak, aaa blaah, help us, give use sth new"
The amount of balancing that would have to go on to make this change even remotely fair would pretty much rework STO as we know it. The Defiant's console cloak alone is already kind of messed up as it is (cloak is one of the best flat damage buffs and this is on a five-console ship), it doesn't need any more toys.
The amount of balancing that would have to go on to make this change even remotely fair would pretty much rework STO as we know it. The Defiant's console cloak alone is already kind of messed up as it is (cloak is one of the best flat damage buffs and this is on a five-console ship), it doesn't need any more toys.
What is wrong with coming out of cloak in a fleet defiant with 4x MII purple Tet consoles 1X Quatum MII purple - Alpha strike - 3x MII purple dual heavies accx3 1x quantum MII - CRF3 and TS2 or TS3??
Then going back into cloak?:P Surely that would have little effect on a decloaked BoP:eek:
While I and several Devs would love to see a Battlecloak on the Defiant, I doubt, for balance reasons, we are ever going to see it. I know people are thinking about the Raptor that Lifetimers get has a Battlecloak, but that ship is suppose to be something rare and special and it is (special that is, not a fan of the look). If the Defiant had a Battlecloak it wouldn't just be powerful, but also very hard to kill, I've come across some slippery Fed PvPers that can use that ships speed and maneuverability to be rather squirly and able to run and heal.
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Okay I just read every single post in this freaking thread. Time for me to put in my two cents... I have a defiant on Fed and Brel Refit on KDF. Let me say this. There's only one thing i wish. make where you wouldn't need the cloaking console make be apart of the ship.. BUT!!! All you ****ing feds crying out for a battle cloak on a Defiant must be out of your ****ing mines. you have no clue on what is the BoP gives up for battle cloak. Hull, Shield, and weapons slots. Are the main things. A defiant as is with battle cloak is to damn much. I would literally drop this game like a freaking rock. To all the WINING FEDS who are crying for battle cloak. get off your lazy TRIBBLE and make yourself a KDF
Oh and to the devs.. Because of the fact that ya'll have given so much to Feds and will probably give them this. before you do. why don't you idiots make a KDF and do the same and see what the hell happens.. take a month or two or three and play nothing but KDF... forgive me i'm kinda ****ing pissed at even the freaking idea of a defiant with battle cloak
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I have a better idea, to make the Defiant more in line with canon. Remove its cloak altogether. The original defiant was destroyed together with the borrowed cloaking device.
The 2nd defiant is without a cloak.
Okay I just read every single post in this freaking thread. Time for me to put in my two cents... I have a defiant on Fed and Brel Refit on KDF. Let me say this. There's only one thing i wish. make where you wouldn't need the cloaking console make be apart of the ship.. BUT!!! All you ****ing feds crying out for a battle cloak on a Defiant must be out of your ****ing mines. you have no clue on what is the BoP gives up for battle cloak. Hull, Shield, and weapons slots. Are the main things. A defiant as is with battle cloak is to damn much. I would literally drop this game like a freaking rock. To all the WINING FEDS who are crying for battle cloak. get off your lazy TRIBBLE and make yourself a KDF
Oh and to the devs.. Because of the fact that ya'll have given so much to Feds and will probably give them this. before you do. why don't you idiots make a KDF and do the same and see what the hell happens.. take a month or two or three and play nothing but KDF... forgive me i'm kinda ****ing pissed at even the freaking idea of a defiant with battle cloak
Can someone please lock this thread and any following threads about giving the Defiant a battlecloak?
These threads all say the same thing, go nowhere, and just get peeps butt-hurt. This also won't ever happen. So to this thread... and the OP... and all following "Please give the best escort in the game battle-cloak" threads... GTFO!!!!
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
I still personally think they should revamp the cloak set up all together. Any and all treaties are off that would keep the cloak from happening, but even then it's not like we shouldn't or in some cases don't already have a better cloak to go with. But as a whole while i think all cloak should act as a battle cloak (activate any time but at your own risk) i think the feds should be limited to one per ship type to keep it fair since they get the most content. I can only imagine how bad this argument is going to get if they ever add the Romulan faction in and give them a high end cloak of their own.
I still personally think they should revamp the cloak set up all together. Any and all treaties are off that would keep the cloak from happening, but even then it's not like we shouldn't or in some cases don't already have a better cloak to go with. But as a whole while i think all cloak should act as a battle cloak (activate any time but at your own risk) i think the feds should be limited to one per ship type to keep it fair since they get the most content. I can only imagine how bad this argument is going to get if they ever add the Romulan faction in and give them a high end cloak of their own.
Stardate 2395
The Kelso was supposed to be on a routine mission to study the long-term effects of the Hobus supernova on star systems in the Devron Sector when it was destroyed. Initial reports indicated that the Kelso could have come under attack. However, when the remains of the vessel were recovered by the U.S.S. April it was found that a coolant leak caused by an experimental cloaking device onboard the Kelso caused plasma to vent from the ship. The plasma reacted with ionizing radiation present in the area, causing the explosion which destroyed the Kelso.
After careful consideration, Captain Barax Wenn of the April reveals the cause of the Kelso's destruction to the Romulan ships assisting in the search for the vessel. Praetor Taris lodges an immediate complaint with the Federation Council, and, as a "gesture of good faith," informs the Klingon Empire of the details of the Kelso's destruction as well.
Starfleet Security admits that the U.S.S. Kelso was testing a Federation cloaking device.
The Romulans eject all Federation diplomats and ships from their space in protest, and Chancellor J'mpok recalls the Klingon ambassador to the Federation back to Qo'noS for "strategic discussions."
Tensions between the three powers are at their highest point since the destruction of the Romulan homeworld in 2387. After a full inquiry, six members of Starfleet Security are court-martialed.
It takes three months for Federation President Aennik Okeg to convince the Romulans and the Klingons to send representatives to a summit to discuss the situation. When the meeting finally begins, Okeg makes the Federation's position clear. He apologizes for the experiments into cloaking technology, and says that he has signed an executive order banning all research into or creation of Federation cloaking technology.
"The narrow legal view may be that the Treaty of Algeron ended when Romulus was destroyed," Okeg says. "The Romulan Star Empire we knew is gone, and you are a new people. What has not changed is the Federation's commitment to peace."
Even though your own Commander -in-Chief says No and signed an Executive order for all the UFP to ban cloaking research or creation within the Federation?
I'm still trying to figure out how this thread is still open and how people can say they want this and be serious about it.
A) It's not canon, only the ORIGINAL Defiant had a cloak. The Valiant did not have a cloak, the Sao Paulo did not have a cloak. No other Defiant class escort had a cloak.
In STO it is NOT part of the continuity of the game's own story as the Federation President outlawed all cloaking research and implementation within the Federation. I still can't figure out why the C-Store Defiant and Dreadnought have one other.
C) It's absolutely game breaking. The Klingons have few tactical advantages left. The Cloak being one of them. It should never fall into the hands of the Federation for the above reasons plus balance issues with it.
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Guys, seriously, no cloak for the Federation, it was a no-no before and it is a no-no now, i play Star Trek online because it is STAR TREK, Star trek is a special fiction for many reasons, if the president of the Federation has stated that we are NOT going to pursue a cloaking technology, then do not expect it neither ask for it, you should be grateful that the devs had a couple of nostalgia moments and decided to make the original Defiant and the alternate universe Galaxy retrofit.
Politics change, war with the Klingons goes on and off at the drop of a hat, and the Romulan empire is wrecked. New Fed cloaking development could easily, EASILY be worked into recognized canon. That argument alone is not enough to oppose it.
That just leaves the overly-lamented issue of "balance" with the KDF players, but I don't care about Klingons.
Its not an arguement.
Its a done deal as part of the games backstory that directly addresses the issue. Its not a negotiable grey area as "ban" is a self explained definition.
The President of the UFP banned Research and development of Cloaking with the UFP.
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Does having one of the most durable, maneuverable 5-TAC console escorts in the game not equate to the same thing for the Feds? Last time I checked the Fl. Defiant still gets the benefit of a Cloaked Alpha?
Would the Feds be prepared to give up some hull and shields and replace the 5-TAC consoles with 4 for the BC? Seems fair? I would gladly defend that.
And when will the Feds stop comparing escorts with Raiders?
Yes the BOP has the Battle cloak. Woop-dee-woop.
It also has one less turret, less hull, less shields and less Tac consoles.
The Khitomer Accords don't involve the Federation's usage of cloaking technology. The Treaty of Algeron, which was signed by the Federation and Romulan Star Empire, which partially said that the Federation would not develop cloaking technology. It was also kind of a sign of good faith to other powers (such as the Klingons, Cardassians, etc) that they wouldn't do so, even if those other powers didn't sign that Treaty too.
That aside, I am not gonna to waste anyone's time by re-saying the same arguments, since they apparently don't seem to make a slightest bit of difference considering this thread is still here. I will just say this:
Give up a tac console, a rear weapon port, a good percentage of your hull and shields, and you may have your battle cloak, because otherwise you just want an already very powerful escort, to gain a very large advantage for no cost aside from one mere console slot.
Plus, think about this: If there is ever a Romulan faction, about 95% of their ships will have cloaking as well, and possibly even some new/different cloaking based tech on their ships, or even potentially on the ground. I can see it now: "I want a perfect cloak like the Scimitar has!" Regardless, I doubt those future Romulan players will like the idea of giving up any advantages their faction has just because a Federation player wants it.
What? The #$%&? Does this have to do with ANYTHING???
Otherwise NO
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Like the saying goes:
"Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice(or 20 times for 3 years) shame on me!(being the KDF player who believes anything he says)
Basically the only resolution to the KDF that Mr Stahl plans is:
a)end to the war - no more fighting - therefore not much use for the cloak
or
b)Kdf being merged with the Fed - therefore no more fighting and not much use for the cloak
so - what the heck if a or b happens what does it matter if anyone has a cloak?
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Huh? Do u even know what u just said? I think is funny bcs, most of the fed only players don˙t even know why kdf have BC. So just stop giving stupid ideas bcs it doesn`t make any sence. Also fed got about at least 12 ships, probably even more, comparing when kdf goten the latest ship. So pls feddies stop complaining!"!! " ahhh KDF is OP, we are weak, aaa blaah, help us, give use sth new"
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What is wrong with coming out of cloak in a fleet defiant with 4x MII purple Tet consoles 1X Quatum MII purple - Alpha strike - 3x MII purple dual heavies accx3 1x quantum MII - CRF3 and TS2 or TS3??
Then going back into cloak?:P Surely that would have little effect on a decloaked BoP:eek:
LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
Oh and to the devs.. Because of the fact that ya'll have given so much to Feds and will probably give them this. before you do. why don't you idiots make a KDF and do the same and see what the hell happens.. take a month or two or three and play nothing but KDF... forgive me i'm kinda ****ing pissed at even the freaking idea of a defiant with battle cloak
The 2nd defiant is without a cloak.
lol you mad bro?:D but you do have a point
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These threads all say the same thing, go nowhere, and just get peeps butt-hurt. This also won't ever happen. So to this thread... and the OP... and all following "Please give the best escort in the game battle-cloak" threads... GTFO!!!!
Look up the fed ships with the 'special' consoles....think about it...:rolleyes:
Even though your own Commander -in-Chief says No and signed an Executive order for all the UFP to ban cloaking research or creation within the Federation?
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A) It's not canon, only the ORIGINAL Defiant had a cloak. The Valiant did not have a cloak, the Sao Paulo did not have a cloak. No other Defiant class escort had a cloak.
C) It's absolutely game breaking. The Klingons have few tactical advantages left. The Cloak being one of them. It should never fall into the hands of the Federation for the above reasons plus balance issues with it.
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That just leaves the overly-lamented issue of "balance" with the KDF players, but I don't care about Klingons.
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