Its not an arguement.
Its a done deal as part of the games backstory that directly addresses the issue. Its not a negotiable grey area as "ban" is a self explained definition.
The President of the UFP banned Research and development of Cloaking with the UFP.
Sorry, that's not the trump card you'd like to pretend it is. Politics change, treaties come and go, one official's absolute rulings can always be reversed.
Sorry, that's not the trump card you'd like to pretend it is. Politics change, treaties come and go, one official's absolute rulings can always be reversed.
Until the Devs say a new UFP president takes office, its set in stone as its still 2409 and Aniek is still the CnC of teh Executive branch.
Also its not as easy to rescind an Executive order as you may think, especially in a governing system that covers 1000's of worlds.
So your vision of teh world while true in our real life with its much crooked and corruptive nature, is not the trump card you may think it is that the UFP can just suddenly start delving into claoking again.
Though your view does open an ugly door. Would you be willing to see the unique characteristics of the UFP suddenly become KDF common technology?
I would love an Ablative Armor console for my Br'el-Rbut realize such would be unbalanced.
Which is funny* becuase I guess I should hate feds more blindly and not care on game balance as you have stated you do not like klingons and your desires for a Defiant BC will ruin game balance.
It does not leaves the issue on that of balance.
The CURRENT policies dictate that the Federation will NOT develop a cloaking device.
The canon again indicates that the Federation will respect the law. therefore it will NOT develop a cloaking device.
A cloaking device will not make things more balanced, that is a silly argument, and a lot of people have already posted very solid evidence on why not.
Sincerely, i have seen many Federation players in this thread that should better be Terran Empire players.
No, no battle cloak for you Feddies, suck it up and deal with it.
It isn't the "OMG awesomesauce" button you think it is.
The BOP's sacrificed nearly everything to get it, turning them into tin cans (albeit graceful tin cans) with shields as weak as paper mache and a hull that is made of wet tissue paper. With stats like that, it NEEDS the Battle Cloak to even survive.
The Defiant does not need a Battle Cloak, the Cloak it has is good enough as is.
do you ppl even know how the real feds acts think about if do yall really think the feds would act like this awww poor romulans they cant do TRIBBLE to us now lets all use cloaks now do yall really think that ?
Under the Treaty of Algeron, the Federation was banned from using cloaking technology without the explicit permission of the Romulans. However, before and throughout the 24th century, the Federation was active in the development of cloaking technology but did not implement it in the fleet. (TNG novel: Resistance)
During the USS Enterprise's pursuit of Lieutenant Saavik while she was undergoing Pon faar, Admiral James T. Kirk orders Montgomery Scott to "...activate cloaking device..." and later, to "...disengage cloaking device..." Scott also warns, "We've not enough power t'use this cloakin' device much longer!" No other mention is made of the device, or its origin. (TOS comic: "Blood Fever")
i cant see why this thread is still alive
but is alive so i say aq big NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO
the game it self is out of balance now and u ppl want the defiant with a battleColack
fed already have a scie ship what use DHC (what take his power form aux) a big mistake . Now more than ever this goint to be a race to DPS what will kill the fun in the game and the game it self.
do you ppl even know how the real feds acts think about if do yall really think the feds would act like this awww poor romulans they cant do TRIBBLE to us now lets all use cloaks now do yall really think that ?
Greatly shows the social economic and idealistic differences between us RL people living in a time of self-concern and plenty versus the same peoples surviving a Third World War and rebuilding the world society without such self-concerned concerns on a noblier path, doesn't it?
It's absolutely game breaking. The Klingons have few tactical advantages left. The Cloak being one of them. It should never fall into the hands of the Federation for the above reasons plus balance issues with it.
Then remove all bonuses that cloak/battle cloak/enhanced battle cloak give you.
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Then remove all bonuses that cloak/battle cloak/enhanced battle cloak give you.
Wait, what?? That makes no sense, bcs every single console, or special ship in the game gives u some bonuses. When u would remove bonus from de-cloaking+alpha strike than BoP pilots would lose huge advantage over...everything. That just doesn`t make any sense.
Wait, what?? That makes no sense, bcs every single console, or special ship in the game gives u some bonuses. When u would remove bonus from de-cloaking+alpha strike than BoP pilots would lose huge advantage over...everything. That just doesn`t make any sense.
And last I saw this was the Federation Gameplay forum, not the Klingon Gameplay forum... So yea, remove all bonuses of higher firepower from the cloaks to make it even if that's how they wanna be.
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Then remove all bonuses that cloak/battle cloak/enhanced battle cloak give you.
As long as the feds lose it too on the GalX and Defiants. I would gladly give up +15% damage for a +15% boost in shields for the BoPs where handicaped for having a Battle cloak and for most other KDF having standard cloaks.
As long as the feds lose it too on the GalX and Defiants. I would gladly give up +15% damage for a +15% boost in shields for the BoPs where handicaped for having a Battle cloak and for most other KDF having standard cloaks.
No bonus, only cloaking. If that's how you wanna play it, no bonus.
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okay i have an idea. give the winey feds their battle cloak on the gal x and defiant. just give battle cloak to every single KDF ship that has cloaking cruisers and raptors included. without any lost of power or anything for both fed and KDF if the feds want to wine and cry about the defiant not having battle cloak, which is an escort not a freaking raider.
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No bonus, only cloaking. If that's how you wanna play it, no bonus.
No. You want the Damage Bonus to be removed then the KDF vessels gets the handicap back for having the Cloak.
In fact lets go one better, since we are discussing fairness and removing handicap or unfair advantages, lest remove any handicap the KDF has suffered for having Universal slots.
For every style of equal Universal Slot the Feds have used on a vessel lets remove a coresponding level of the Hull and Shield handicap that has been applied to the KDF vessels whom have Universal slots.
SO the only handicap any KDF vessel should retain is whatever the Devs determined was fair for a Commander Universal slot.
I expect the missing Hull and or Shields to be returned post haste since we are eradicating unfair advantages and handicaps suffered by the playerbase for advantages that are no longer exclusive to just one faction.
None of this matters the Fed/KDF war is ending in a few months - starting with the Featured episode where the ENT-C goes back in time to help defend the Klingon outpost on Narendra III
Seaon 8 will end the war completely - not like it is a war anymore as outside of missions KDF and Feds fight together
PvP is the only place the "war" still exists - thats "IF" you can get a FvK match going - so really there is no need for cloaks
None of this matters the Fed/KDF war is ending in a few months - starting with the Featured episode where the ENT-C goes back in time to help defend the Klingon outpost on Narendra III
Seaon 8 will end the war completely - not like it is a war anymore as outside of missions KDF and Feds fight together
PvP is the only place the "war" still exists - thats "IF" you can get a FvK match going - so really there is no need for cloaks
Then why don't they have it to where at least while outside missions or with the exception of the FEs they let us team up with the other faction.. if this war is over?
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have a defiant and dont even use the cloak, swapped it out for theta radiation which works nicely. i wouldn't mind a battle cloak because regular cloak is basically useless
have a defiant and dont even use the cloak, swapped it out for theta radiation which works nicely. i wouldn't mind a battle cloak because regular cloak is basically useless
what would you be willing to give up on defiant for the battle cloak?
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"when you're out of Birds of Prey, you're out of ships."
Then like any good and loyal KDF warrior I will eat lots of Gagh, strap wings to my back, hold my breath and fly into battle on a pillar of flame from betwix my buttocks.
And still the feds would whine that I/we have too much the advantage.
No. You want the Damage Bonus to be removed then the KDF vessels gets the handicap back for having the Cloak.
In fact lets go one better, since we are discussing fairness and removing handicap or unfair advantages, lest remove any handicap the KDF has suffered for having Universal slots.
For every style of equal Universal Slot the Feds have used on a vessel lets remove a coresponding level of the Hull and Shield handicap that has been applied to the KDF vessels whom have Universal slots.
SO the only handicap any KDF vessel should retain is whatever the Devs determined was fair for a Commander Universal slot.
I expect the missing Hull and or Shields to be returned post haste since we are eradicating unfair advantages and handicaps suffered by the playerbase for advantages that are no longer exclusive to just one faction.
FYI The Neghvar has the same hp and shield mod of a fed cruiser whilst also having +2 turn, cannons and cloak. So, wheres the balance there? If there fed cruiser where designed to tank, wheres that advantage at other than console arrangement? So, with your logik, KDF Neghvar should be nerfed in hull points and shield mod.
And no, I dont agree with the Gal x or Def getting a battlecloak.
FYI The Neghvar has the same hp and shield mod of a fed cruiser whilst also having +2 turn, cannons and cloak. So, wheres the balance there? If there fed cruiser where designed to tank, wheres that advantage at other than console arrangement? So, with your logik, KDF Neghvar should be nerfed in hull points and shield mod.
Actually nothing would happen to the Fleet Neghvar if it was never handicapped for the Uslot to begin with.
Thats why I said remove the existing handicap for the U-slots that are mimiced by the feds. If no handicap exists for a vessel then there is no need to do anything to said vessel.
And no, I dont agree with the Gal x or Def getting a battlecloak.
Niether do I, but while players are throwing up thier trivial concerns for a percieved imbalance, etc, then why can't I do the same and expect as much results?
This thread still going? H.S.! Alright, once more for anyone who just posts without reading the whole thread.
I play both factions equally in this game.My first response was nice, now I will sumerize the whole thread.
Fed-My better armored starship keeps getting pwned by the KDF BOPs, I want a battlecloak, because I suck at PVP,and I'm too lazy to configure a good ship build.It has to be the magic "I win" button I have quested so long for.
KDF- No, Cloaking development was outlawed by treaty in the federation.The battlecloak only helps with buying time to heal up battle dammage.Our shields, and hulls are thinner than the federation eqivilants.It balances combat, and isn't the "I win" button you think it is.
Fed-Lies! It's uber! We need it! It's only (whine)fairrrrr.
My opinion, my feds don't need the battlecloak.If you think I'm biased I RUN A FEDERATION FLEET! You don't need the cloak, you need to stop throwing together suck@ss builds.Seriously, the KDF aren't trolling the thread here.It started as logical explinations, and devolved to bickering.You don't need a battlecloak,you need to stop sucking.Play a KDF for awhile and learn why they need it.
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The CURRENT policies dictate that the Federation will NOT develop a cloaking device.
The canon again indicates that the Federation will respect the law. therefore it will NOT develop a cloaking device.
A cloaking device will not make things more balanced, that is a silly argument, and a lot of people have already posted very solid evidence on why not.
Sincerely, i have seen many Federation players in this thread that should better be Terran Empire players.
It isn't the "OMG awesomesauce" button you think it is.
The BOP's sacrificed nearly everything to get it, turning them into tin cans (albeit graceful tin cans) with shields as weak as paper mache and a hull that is made of wet tissue paper. With stats like that, it NEEDS the Battle Cloak to even survive.
The Defiant does not need a Battle Cloak, the Cloak it has is good enough as is.
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http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Organia
Under the Treaty of Algeron, the Federation was banned from using cloaking technology without the explicit permission of the Romulans. However, before and throughout the 24th century, the Federation was active in the development of cloaking technology but did not implement it in the fleet. (TNG novel: Resistance)
During the USS Enterprise's pursuit of Lieutenant Saavik while she was undergoing Pon faar, Admiral James T. Kirk orders Montgomery Scott to "...activate cloaking device..." and later, to "...disengage cloaking device..." Scott also warns, "We've not enough power t'use this cloakin' device much longer!" No other mention is made of the device, or its origin. (TOS comic: "Blood Fever")
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Cloaking_device
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Cloaking_device
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i cant see why this thread is still alive
but is alive so i say aq big NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO and NO
the game it self is out of balance now and u ppl want the defiant with a battleColack
fed already have a scie ship what use DHC (what take his power form aux) a big mistake . Now more than ever this goint to be a race to DPS what will kill the fun in the game and the game it self.
and NO to fed BattleCloack.
Greatly shows the social economic and idealistic differences between us RL people living in a time of self-concern and plenty versus the same peoples surviving a Third World War and rebuilding the world society without such self-concerned concerns on a noblier path, doesn't it?
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Then remove all bonuses that cloak/battle cloak/enhanced battle cloak give you.
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Wait, what?? That makes no sense, bcs every single console, or special ship in the game gives u some bonuses. When u would remove bonus from de-cloaking+alpha strike than BoP pilots would lose huge advantage over...everything. That just doesn`t make any sense.
And last I saw this was the Federation Gameplay forum, not the Klingon Gameplay forum... So yea, remove all bonuses of higher firepower from the cloaks to make it even if that's how they wanna be.
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As long as the feds lose it too on the GalX and Defiants. I would gladly give up +15% damage for a +15% boost in shields for the BoPs where handicaped for having a Battle cloak and for most other KDF having standard cloaks.
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No bonus, only cloaking. If that's how you wanna play it, no bonus.
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No. You want the Damage Bonus to be removed then the KDF vessels gets the handicap back for having the Cloak.
In fact lets go one better, since we are discussing fairness and removing handicap or unfair advantages, lest remove any handicap the KDF has suffered for having Universal slots.
For every style of equal Universal Slot the Feds have used on a vessel lets remove a coresponding level of the Hull and Shield handicap that has been applied to the KDF vessels whom have Universal slots.
Federation Ensign Universal slots...... check
(Fleet Aquarius, Fleet Patrol escort, Aquarius Destroyer, Chimera Destroyer, Odyssey operation, Odyssey tactical, Odyssey Science, Advanced Research Vessel, Multi-Mission Reconnaissance Explorer, Multi-Mission Surveillance Explorer, Multi-Mission Strategic Explorer)
Federation LT Universal slots.......check
(Fleet Aquarius, Mobius Destroyer, Aqaurius Destroyer, Wells Temporal Science Vessel, Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit, Fleet Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit)
Federation LTC Universal slots.......check
(Mobius Destroyer, Chimera Destroyer, Odyssey operation, Odyssey tactical, Odyssey Science, Wells Temporal Science Vessel, Multi-Mission Reconnaissance Explorer, Multi-Mission Surveillance Explorer, Multi-Mission Strategic Explorer)
KDF Ensign Universal slots.......check
(all 12 Raiders, Bortasqu' Tactical Cruiser, Bortasqu' War Cruiser, Bortasqu' Command Cruiser, Fleet Negh'Var Heavy Battle Cruiser, Peghu' destroyer)
KDF LT Universal Slots
(all 12 Raiders, Fleet Tor'Kaht Battle Cruiser Retrofit, Krenn Destroyer, Korath Science vessel)
KDF LTC Universal slots
(all 12 Raiders, Bortas Battle Cruiser, Bortasqu' Tactical Cruiser, Bortasqu' War Cruiser, Bortasqu' Command Cruiser, Peghu destroyer, Kren destroyer, Korath Science vessel)
KDF Commander UNiversal slots
(all 12 Raiders)
SO the only handicap any KDF vessel should retain is whatever the Devs determined was fair for a Commander Universal slot.
I expect the missing Hull and or Shields to be returned post haste since we are eradicating unfair advantages and handicaps suffered by the playerbase for advantages that are no longer exclusive to just one faction.
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Go back to the Klingon Gameplay Forum and whine and cry about things, leave the Federation Gameplay Forum to the Federation players.
Remove all bonuses from cloak if that's how you wanna play this out.
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hey dumb dumb. a lot of us do have fed toons. so there's not really a fed or KDF gameplay forum
lol, Count yourself lucky that you are free of the ravages of intelligence.
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Seaon 8 will end the war completely - not like it is a war anymore as outside of missions KDF and Feds fight together
PvP is the only place the "war" still exists - thats "IF" you can get a FvK match going - so really there is no need for cloaks
Then why don't they have it to where at least while outside missions or with the exception of the FEs they let us team up with the other faction.. if this war is over?
what would you be willing to give up on defiant for the battle cloak?
Then like any good and loyal KDF warrior I will eat lots of Gagh, strap wings to my back, hold my breath and fly into battle on a pillar of flame from betwix my buttocks.
And still the feds would whine that I/we have too much the advantage.
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FYI The Neghvar has the same hp and shield mod of a fed cruiser whilst also having +2 turn, cannons and cloak. So, wheres the balance there? If there fed cruiser where designed to tank, wheres that advantage at other than console arrangement? So, with your logik, KDF Neghvar should be nerfed in hull points and shield mod.
And no, I dont agree with the Gal x or Def getting a battlecloak.
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I play both factions equally in this game.My first response was nice, now I will sumerize the whole thread.
Fed-My better armored starship keeps getting pwned by the KDF BOPs, I want a battlecloak, because I suck at PVP,and I'm too lazy to configure a good ship build.It has to be the magic "I win" button I have quested so long for.
KDF- No, Cloaking development was outlawed by treaty in the federation.The battlecloak only helps with buying time to heal up battle dammage.Our shields, and hulls are thinner than the federation eqivilants.It balances combat, and isn't the "I win" button you think it is.
Fed-Lies! It's uber! We need it! It's only (whine)fairrrrr.
My opinion, my feds don't need the battlecloak.If you think I'm biased I RUN A FEDERATION FLEET! You don't need the cloak, you need to stop throwing together suck@ss builds.Seriously, the KDF aren't trolling the thread here.It started as logical explinations, and devolved to bickering.You don't need a battlecloak,you need to stop sucking.Play a KDF for awhile and learn why they need it.