As in bumping up all cloaks a tier up? That's something I'd be looking forward to, cloaking in this game is equivalent to a stronger Mask Energy Signature, not exactly much good.
It was a sarcastic response to the UFP getting widespread Ablative armor on all vessels as an option.
I would expect the KDF/RSE cloaking to be better than the federation by a small margin.
Say the KDF keep battle cloaking on the BoPs, get the ability to cloak in combat with regular claokinga s well but have a longer CD to do so.
The Feds could cloak in combat as well, I guess, though they would have a slightly higher CD then are regular cloakers.
But honestly its all a sarcasm as I expect teh Devs to no more change claoking than they will give Ablative console a true universal setting.
hey hey I have an idea. Give the Feds there freaking battle cloak on the Dreadnought and Defiant. just give battle cloak to the KDF Cruisers and Raptors and keep them on the BoPs :D:P:cool: ya'll wanna talk about canon? Every KDF ship that could cloak had battle cloak... last night a fleet member and I were doing pvp in defiants... did i use the cloak? yes but the thing is the cloak wasn't really needed.
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hey hey I have an idea. Give the Feds there freaking battle cloak on the Dreadnought and Defiant. just give battle cloak to the KDF Cruisers and Raptors and keep them on the BoPs :D:P:cool: ya'll wanna talk about canon? Every KDF ship that could cloak had battle cloak... last night a fleet member and I were doing pvp in defiants... did i use the cloak? yes but the thing is the cloak wasn't really needed.
Honestly, the cloaks have far too much effect in the game. It should be used more for positioning for initial engagements, not to be used every time the ship goes out of red alert (except for the battle cloak on the B.O.P. only).
I don't think you read any of the posts here. Level the playing field? Are you frakkin TRIBBLE? What part about 5 tac consoles, great turn, and good hull and defensive abilities is not computing? If you give it a battlecloak, that will COMPLETELY break the Defiant.
I love the ship, but I want her to be fair, not broken.
i agree in my opinion Fleet Defiant with battlecloak= Bug ship 2.0 in terms of OPness
the base cloak as it is seems pretty useless over all minus the damage buff and even then it's not like you can just cloak during combat to refresh that. Maybe if they upped the damage you take while cloaked it would seem less OP? For me, it's just kind of pointless since i don't like to run away from the fight any time i want to get a damage buff so i've taken out the console all together, but i would gladly add it back in if i could cloak when ever i wanted to instead of only when i never really need it.
I still think it would work better to make it canon and allow those who have it able to use it, and just update the advanced versions from there. It's like the MVAE having to stop to separate, that's not how it worked on screen and i really don't see who it would hurt to fix it in game.
the base cloak as it is seems pretty useless over all minus the damage buff and even then it's not like you can just cloak during combat to refresh that. Maybe if they upped the damage you take while cloaked it would seem less OP? For me, it's just kind of pointless since i don't like to run away from the fight any time i want to get a damage buff so i've taken out the console all together, but i would gladly add it back in if i could cloak when ever i wanted to instead of only when i never really need it.
I still think it would work better to make it canon and allow those who have it able to use it, and just update the advanced versions from there. It's like the MVAE having to stop to separate, that's not how it worked on screen and i really don't see who it would hurt to fix it in game.
You do take more damage while cloaked, in the sense that your shields are down. This is why it's usually suicide to cloak while under fire, unless you've got polarize hull, Brace for Impact and maybe 1 other good hull buff in place to keep you from getting eviscerated. The only other exception is when the attacking feddie is so inept that his weapons barely do damage.
The regular battlecloak doesn't allow for a lot of defensive/healing abilities to be used while cloaked, as well. . .one of the advantages of using the B'rel retro's enhanced battlecloak.
I cloak for two general reasons: To temporarily exit the battle and give my abilities time to recharge, and to boost an alpha strike. When I 'run' from a fight, it's usually with the intention of re-entering it at my own choosing. That's a luxury the battlecloak gives you. . .and the BoPs need it. They're sub-par in almost all stat categories, and the battlecloak acts as an equalizer to keep them relevant. Otherwise, they might as well just be raptors with a few universal boffslots.
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You do take more damage while cloaked, in the sense that your shields are down. This is why it's usually suicide to cloak while under fire, unless you've got polarize hull, Brace for Impact and maybe 1 other good hull buff in place to keep you from getting eviscerated. The only other exception is when the attacking feddie is so inept that his weapons barely do damage.
Are you talking about Battle Cloak or regular cloak?
Ships under regular cloak do not take direct hull damage. As soon as it goes to Red Alert, the shields are up instantly. Which means, it's ups before the weapon fire even comes close to the hull.
In planetside 2, the infiltrator has a cloaking device but when activated it starts a timer then runs out soon after, followed by a cool down period before it can be used again.
This is an idea.
Or you could get the adapted honour guard 3 part set and use its ABC/mask energy signature power.
Cryptic, I'll make you a deal. Move the cloak back to "built-in ability" instead of a console, just for the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit and without removing any console space, and I'll stop bothering you about battle cloaks.
Cryptic, I'll make you a deal. Move the cloak back to "built-in ability" instead of a console, just for the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit and without removing any console space, and I'll stop bothering you about battle cloaks.
I'm sorry, 1) what do you mean back to? It's always been a console 2.) why?
The Defiant is already a top escort. Any additional bonus to it it would make it completely unbalanced in all regards.
*EDIT, I do have a suspicion what the person in question will answer, let's see if I'm right*
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I'm sorry, 1) what do you mean back to? It's always been a console 2.) why?
The Defiant is already a top escort. Any additional bonus to it it would make it completely unbalanced in all regards.
It's always been that way on the fleet ship, but on the good old Vice Admiral tactical escort retrofit, it was originally a built-in ability that did not require a console. You could also buy that bad boy with a free token.
Are you talking about Battle Cloak or regular cloak?
Ships under regular cloak do not take direct hull damage. As soon as it goes to Red Alert, the shields are up instantly. Which means, it's ups before the weapon fire even comes close to the hull.
That is one advantage to the regular cloak.
I think you're misunderstanding what I mean.
While cloaked, your shields are down. It doesn't matter what kind of cloak you have, the shields are still down. Hence, being fired upon while actively cloaked (say, if someone sensor scans and detects you, or a sci ship has high enough AUX and you move too close, or the 2-3 other ways I've seen people detect me without actually decloaking me) will result in direct hits to the hull. In that way, you're vulnerable.
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the Defiant cloak fails EVERY week in Ds9
its frankly sub standard and a knock off
why should it even come close to a proper cloak
Because canon doesn't really mean much in this game. The game isn't really required to follow canon that closely. All they have to do is meet the guidelines set out by CBS/whatever other copyright holders they're working with.
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Cryptic, I'll make you a deal. Move the cloak back to "built-in ability" instead of a console, just for the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit and without removing any console space, and I'll stop bothering you about battle cloaks.
And here's the magical solution: Use a KDF toon if you want an escort-level ship with a built-in cloak, instead of just demanding/requesting it be pasted onto the Federation ships, thus removing even more uniqueness from the KDF faction :P
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Yes, Thissler is pretty good at that type of build. I fly something similar, and so do folks like Zirac and a few other BoP pilots. Some prefer to stick with the traditional 'all cannons + rapidfire' approach, but that only really competes if you're using the Hoh'sus. The Hegh'ta will never do that as well as a full-fledged escort, due to the 3 tac consoles combined with lack of survivability.
I get feddies whining about the battlecloak as a result, but w/e
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holy TRIBBLE this thread is still going on?.. feddies lets be honest. the only way the defiant and for argument sake the dreadnought will get battle cloak is that every KDF ship that has cloak will get it as well.. you wanna talk about canon? then yeah. open up your eyes and take a look. the D7 battle cruiser you know the ship kirk fought against a few times had battle cloak. watch voyager. all you feddies should know damn straight that if the defiant and dreadnought gets a battle cloak then every KDF ship that has that ability will and have to be able to do the same to keep sto from going to hell.. won't be much of a game when there's no KDF because of that very reason. please new thread please. i'm tired of reading about feddies crying for a battle cloak... oh just in case anyone says. i do fly a defiant on fed side as well. she's good enough without it. just learn to fly a defiant and you'll be good. and for KDF i fly a Brel and mirror raptor
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holy TRIBBLE this thread is still going on?.. feddies lets be honest. the only way the defiant and for argument sake the dreadnought will get battle cloak is that every KDF ship that has cloak will get it as well.. you wanna talk about canon? then yeah. open up your eyes and take a look. the D7 battle cruiser you know the ship kirk fought against a few times had battle cloak. watch voyager. all you feddies should know damn straight that if the defiant and dreadnought gets a battle cloak then every KDF ship that has that ability will and have to be able to do the same to keep sto from going to hell.. won't be much of a game when there's no KDF because of that very reason. please new thread please. i'm tired of reading about feddies crying for a battle cloak... oh just in case anyone says. i do fly a defiant on fed side as well. she's good enough without it. just learn to fly a defiant and you'll be good. and for KDF i fly a Brel and mirror raptor
Oh I definately know at some point the word will be given to cannibalize the KDF for every decent perk we have left which as this lockbox gimmick mayhem continues the aceton mine, the plasmonic leech, and the battle cloaks will be up for sale.
It doesn't take long for any player either fed, kdf, or people who play both sides to see how if it will turn a dollar no matter how uncanon it is or just plain wrong and disrespectful of the IP that it will be done. When content is made there isn't much thought into it such as the Brel is a fine example. It has the EBC (Enhanced Battle Cloak) which can fire projectiles like in Star Trek 6. Its only problem is if you want to use it like it was in the movie by General Chang your outta luck on that. I've done it with plasma torpedos but you have to launch a TRIBBLE load of torpedoes and you would only do this if you love Klingon content to a hardcore extent. Going further on that this ship has launching projectiles while cloaked as its primary perk. The downside and this is why I have always stated this ship was not thought out at all... For one you have no shields, if you plan to kill anything you are lunching so many projectiles that you are virtually staying uncloaked because the succession of the torpedoes to inflict enough damage is going to keep the 3 second decloaking with no shields on going. As well you also have to contend with Hazard Emitters being a counter to the only torpedo that will do any decent damage and on top of that you have to keep the procs rolling which puts you shieldless for eternity. I really laughed so hard when they increased transphasics penetration because any other torpedo will do more damage for kinetic without shield penetration. Although they won't put any thought or effort into making a ship like the brel function better but odds are they will hand over battle cloaks to the fed side.
I've pretty much don't even trust anything Cryptic says if they want to show me they mean business with making the game better they can start doing it with actions because its apparent that words are not getting the job done.
Edit: If they really want to show they mean business with making the B'rel better its gotta have an advantage other than the ability to fire torps and mines while cloaked because the shielding aspect just blows that out the window. They just need to have a torpedo that works kind of like the vesta DHC's work where you can pick up specialized torps that bypass shielding because if you are selling something based on that chang bop but if you can't destroy shields without making a setup that isn't really your style or having to science out the whole thing leaving little to know tactical power it should have something like a photon that only can be put on the b'rel or something that can proc anywhere from 25% - 100% shield penetration and this would be something that would help with that pvp problem of shield tanking always wins kind of thing it would bring a purpose to all those hull heals no one brings around in pve or pvp. If they started thinking things through like this when they design ships and such they would have a lot more KDF and a lot more Feds too because theres plenty of stuff needing revamping or better marketing with both factions and I know i'm not the only one who feels this way.
Oh I definately know at some point the word will be given to cannibalize the KDF for every decent perk we have left which as this lockbox gimmick mayhem continues the aceton mine, the plasmonic leech, and the battle cloaks will be up for sale.
It doesn't take long for any player either fed, kdf, or people who play both sides to see how if it will turn a dollar no matter how uncanon it is or just plain wrong and disrespectful of the IP that it will be done. When content is made there isn't much thought into it such as the Brel is a fine example. It has the EBC (Enhanced Battle Cloak) which can fire projectiles like in Star Trek 6. Its only problem is if you want to use it like it was in the movie by General Chang your outta luck on that. I've done it with plasma torpedos but you have to launch a TRIBBLE load of torpedoes and you would only do this if you love Klingon content to a hardcore extent. Going further on that this ship has launching projectiles while cloaked as its primary perk. The downside and this is why I have always stated this ship was not thought out at all... For one you have no shields, if you plan to kill anything you are lunching so many projectiles that you are virtually staying uncloaked because the succession of the torpedoes to inflict enough damage is going to keep the 3 second decloaking with no shields on going. As well you also have to contend with Hazard Emitters being a counter to the only torpedo that will do any decent damage and on top of that you have to keep the procs rolling which puts you shieldless for eternity. I really laughed so hard when they increased transphasics penetration because any other torpedo will do more damage for kinetic without shield penetration. Although they won't put any thought or effort into making a ship like the brel function better but odds are they will hand over battle cloaks to the fed side.
I've pretty much don't even trust anything Cryptic says if they want to show me they mean business with making the game better they can start doing it with actions because its apparent that words are not getting the job done.
Edit: If they really want to show they mean business with making the B'rel better its gotta have an advantage other than the ability to fire torps and mines while cloaked because the shielding aspect just blows that out the window. They just need to have a torpedo that works kind of like the vesta DHC's work where you can pick up specialized torps that bypass shielding because if you are selling something based on that chang bop but if you can't destroy shields without making a setup that isn't really your style or having to science out the whole thing leaving little to know tactical power it should have something like a photon that only can be put on the b'rel or something that can proc anywhere from 25% - 100% shield penetration and this would be something that would help with that pvp problem of shield tanking always wins kind of thing it would bring a purpose to all those hull heals no one brings around in pve or pvp. If they started thinking things through like this when they design ships and such they would have a lot more KDF and a lot more Feds too because theres plenty of stuff needing revamping or better marketing with both factions and I know i'm not the only one who feels this way.
Yeah thing is though if they actually made KDF into its own faction with full content and everything. KDF would be a lot better and some new ships.. the last ship we actually got not including the the vet was the bortus. Now tell me when was the last ship that fed got? Now you got feddies crying for a frakking battlecloak on an escort and some even for the cruiser as well. Personally i would say give them their battle cloak just give every KDF crusier and raptor as well as raider the battle cloak as well.. thing is STO would be in hell at the moment they did that
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I've said the same thing... give all of the Klingon ships a battle cloak like canon says they ought to have and then we can talk about giving it to the Defiant and the Dreadnought.
I guarantee we Feds would not like the result much, if we're into PvP.
The way things are right now is a fair tradeoff and I don't see any good reason to change it.
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I've said the same thing... give all of the Klingon ships a battle cloak like canon says they ought to have and then we can talk about giving it to the Defiant and the Dreadnought.
I've said the same thing... give all of the Klingon ships a battle cloak like canon says they ought to have and then we can talk about giving it to the Defiant and the Dreadnought.
I guarantee we Feds would not like the result much, if we're into PvP.
The way things are right now is a fair tradeoff and I don't see any good reason to change it.
Thank you, my point exactly.. And with me i am talking about pvp. having a defiant and dread with battle cloak is over kill in terms of pvp.. and a dreadnought cruiser would be unkillable in pvp considering the hull and shield plus battle cloak
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It was a sarcastic response to the UFP getting widespread Ablative armor on all vessels as an option.
I would expect the KDF/RSE cloaking to be better than the federation by a small margin.
Say the KDF keep battle cloaking on the BoPs, get the ability to cloak in combat with regular claokinga s well but have a longer CD to do so.
The Feds could cloak in combat as well, I guess, though they would have a slightly higher CD then are regular cloakers.
But honestly its all a sarcasm as I expect teh Devs to no more change claoking than they will give Ablative console a true universal setting.
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Honestly, the cloaks have far too much effect in the game. It should be used more for positioning for initial engagements, not to be used every time the ship goes out of red alert (except for the battle cloak on the B.O.P. only).
It is what someone on another Trek board said to me as he has read everything to do about Trek.
Don't you think I jknow something about this as STG is way Older than this board and we just don't talk about gaming anything Star Trek.
oh come on now.
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i agree in my opinion Fleet Defiant with battlecloak= Bug ship 2.0 in terms of OPness
I still think it would work better to make it canon and allow those who have it able to use it, and just update the advanced versions from there. It's like the MVAE having to stop to separate, that's not how it worked on screen and i really don't see who it would hurt to fix it in game.
You do take more damage while cloaked, in the sense that your shields are down. This is why it's usually suicide to cloak while under fire, unless you've got polarize hull, Brace for Impact and maybe 1 other good hull buff in place to keep you from getting eviscerated. The only other exception is when the attacking feddie is so inept that his weapons barely do damage.
The regular battlecloak doesn't allow for a lot of defensive/healing abilities to be used while cloaked, as well. . .one of the advantages of using the B'rel retro's enhanced battlecloak.
I cloak for two general reasons: To temporarily exit the battle and give my abilities time to recharge, and to boost an alpha strike. When I 'run' from a fight, it's usually with the intention of re-entering it at my own choosing. That's a luxury the battlecloak gives you. . .and the BoPs need it. They're sub-par in almost all stat categories, and the battlecloak acts as an equalizer to keep them relevant. Otherwise, they might as well just be raptors with a few universal boffslots.
Ships under regular cloak do not take direct hull damage. As soon as it goes to Red Alert, the shields are up instantly. Which means, it's ups before the weapon fire even comes close to the hull.
That is one advantage to the regular cloak.
This is an idea.
Or you could get the adapted honour guard 3 part set and use its ABC/mask energy signature power.
/thread
its frankly sub standard and a knock off
why should it even come close to a proper cloak
I'm sorry, 1) what do you mean back to? It's always been a console 2.) why?
The Defiant is already a top escort. Any additional bonus to it it would make it completely unbalanced in all regards.
Efforting this I as we speak. Compiling sources for what its worth as any evidence will most likely dismissed as non-canon if its not from onscreen, on TV or listed in Memory Alpha ior generally suits the fan notion of how things are.
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Ah, yeah, watch these videos for an idea of how to pilot one:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAAgaD-zbotq2By_2-8qqIg/videos?view=0
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It's always been that way on the fleet ship, but on the good old Vice Admiral tactical escort retrofit, it was originally a built-in ability that did not require a console. You could also buy that bad boy with a free token.
I think you're misunderstanding what I mean.
While cloaked, your shields are down. It doesn't matter what kind of cloak you have, the shields are still down. Hence, being fired upon while actively cloaked (say, if someone sensor scans and detects you, or a sci ship has high enough AUX and you move too close, or the 2-3 other ways I've seen people detect me without actually decloaking me) will result in direct hits to the hull. In that way, you're vulnerable.
Because canon doesn't really mean much in this game. The game isn't really required to follow canon that closely. All they have to do is meet the guidelines set out by CBS/whatever other copyright holders they're working with.
And here's the magical solution: Use a KDF toon if you want an escort-level ship with a built-in cloak, instead of just demanding/requesting it be pasted onto the Federation ships, thus removing even more uniqueness from the KDF faction :P
Yes, Thissler is pretty good at that type of build. I fly something similar, and so do folks like Zirac and a few other BoP pilots. Some prefer to stick with the traditional 'all cannons + rapidfire' approach, but that only really competes if you're using the Hoh'sus. The Hegh'ta will never do that as well as a full-fledged escort, due to the 3 tac consoles combined with lack of survivability.
I get feddies whining about the battlecloak as a result, but w/e
Oh I definately know at some point the word will be given to cannibalize the KDF for every decent perk we have left which as this lockbox gimmick mayhem continues the aceton mine, the plasmonic leech, and the battle cloaks will be up for sale.
It doesn't take long for any player either fed, kdf, or people who play both sides to see how if it will turn a dollar no matter how uncanon it is or just plain wrong and disrespectful of the IP that it will be done. When content is made there isn't much thought into it such as the Brel is a fine example. It has the EBC (Enhanced Battle Cloak) which can fire projectiles like in Star Trek 6. Its only problem is if you want to use it like it was in the movie by General Chang your outta luck on that. I've done it with plasma torpedos but you have to launch a TRIBBLE load of torpedoes and you would only do this if you love Klingon content to a hardcore extent. Going further on that this ship has launching projectiles while cloaked as its primary perk. The downside and this is why I have always stated this ship was not thought out at all... For one you have no shields, if you plan to kill anything you are lunching so many projectiles that you are virtually staying uncloaked because the succession of the torpedoes to inflict enough damage is going to keep the 3 second decloaking with no shields on going. As well you also have to contend with Hazard Emitters being a counter to the only torpedo that will do any decent damage and on top of that you have to keep the procs rolling which puts you shieldless for eternity. I really laughed so hard when they increased transphasics penetration because any other torpedo will do more damage for kinetic without shield penetration. Although they won't put any thought or effort into making a ship like the brel function better but odds are they will hand over battle cloaks to the fed side.
I've pretty much don't even trust anything Cryptic says if they want to show me they mean business with making the game better they can start doing it with actions because its apparent that words are not getting the job done.
Edit: If they really want to show they mean business with making the B'rel better its gotta have an advantage other than the ability to fire torps and mines while cloaked because the shielding aspect just blows that out the window. They just need to have a torpedo that works kind of like the vesta DHC's work where you can pick up specialized torps that bypass shielding because if you are selling something based on that chang bop but if you can't destroy shields without making a setup that isn't really your style or having to science out the whole thing leaving little to know tactical power it should have something like a photon that only can be put on the b'rel or something that can proc anywhere from 25% - 100% shield penetration and this would be something that would help with that pvp problem of shield tanking always wins kind of thing it would bring a purpose to all those hull heals no one brings around in pve or pvp. If they started thinking things through like this when they design ships and such they would have a lot more KDF and a lot more Feds too because theres plenty of stuff needing revamping or better marketing with both factions and I know i'm not the only one who feels this way.
Yeah thing is though if they actually made KDF into its own faction with full content and everything. KDF would be a lot better and some new ships.. the last ship we actually got not including the the vet was the bortus. Now tell me when was the last ship that fed got? Now you got feddies crying for a frakking battlecloak on an escort and some even for the cruiser as well. Personally i would say give them their battle cloak just give every KDF crusier and raptor as well as raider the battle cloak as well.. thing is STO would be in hell at the moment they did that
I guarantee we Feds would not like the result much, if we're into PvP.
The way things are right now is a fair tradeoff and I don't see any good reason to change it.
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Thank you, my point exactly.. And with me i am talking about pvp. having a defiant and dread with battle cloak is over kill in terms of pvp.. and a dreadnought cruiser would be unkillable in pvp considering the hull and shield plus battle cloak