The current mechanic for acquiring the Gal-X has absolutely nothing to do with playing the game, so do you think that should be changed?
As I said, that dreadnought cruiser has sailed. Changing it now would trigger yet another forum blitz, and it wouldn't be fair to the people who either shelled out for N<=5 retail boxen and subscriptions, and/or persuaded N<=5 people to buy the game and subscribe. Going back and changing that would probably not be a good idea. If I had any control over the program from the start, though, the Galaxy-X as it is now would not have been an R5F reward. However, making an alternate method of earning the ship by in-game means would be good; the question then becomes, how tough should the in-game process be to award it. It's an academic question, though.
Well we can assume that there will be more dreadnought classes and the galaxy x being one. If others want another way to get it. I say make it a mission in game. A challange not just for the galaxy x but for any other dreadnoughts. So theres a sence you actually did something. Yes I am getting a galaxy x in a month. I am saying i don't feel it should be in the c store but in a hard mission. Not something you just bought for $10.00.
Well we can assume that there will be more dreadnought classes and the galaxy x being one. If others want another way to get it. I say make it a mission in game. A challange not just for the galaxy x but for any other dreadnoughts. So theres a sence you actually did something. Yes I am getting a galaxy x in a month. I am saying i don't feel it should be in the c store but in a hard mission. Not something you just bought for $10.00.
Preach on thats the real problem here peopel want what others either spent time working for or paid alot of money for next to nothing
I do think it should stay exclusive not everyone has to have everything
As I said, that dreadnought cruiser has sailed. Changing it now would trigger yet another forum blitz, and it wouldn't be fair to the people who either shelled out for N<=5 retail boxen and subscriptions, and/or persuaded N<=5 people to buy the game and subscribe. Going back and changing that would probably not be a good idea. If I had any control over the program from the start, though, the Galaxy-X as it is now would not have been an R5F reward. However, making an alternate method of earning the ship by in-game means would be good; the question then becomes, how tough should the in-game process be to award it. It's an academic question, though.
Personally, I think they should just release that and the Liberated Borg both on the same day. I ran out of outrage a long time ago and I think it might be a positive thing for the community just to go ahead and detonate those landmines now.
That way, in the future, we'll all recognize ALL out of game bonuses and incentives as being a prize in the cereal box, not a reason to buy in and of itself, regardless of what the program or purchase is.
Let people blow up. But once they do, the community as a whole will be better for it.
The current mechanic for acquiring the Gal-X has absolutely nothing to do with playing the game, so do you think that should be changed?
Given that it has a cloaking device, no I do not think it should be made available through in-game efforts or the C-Store; pull off that cloak and sure why not.
Preach on thats the real problem here peopel want what others either spent time working for or paid alot of money for next to nothing
I do think it should stay exclusive not everyone has to have everything
Even if it were put in the C-store, "everyone" would not "have everything". I havent purchased ANY of the C-store ships, and I wouldnt be purchasing the Gal-X either. I do enjoy laughing at ridiculous exaggerations though, so please make more
That way, in the future, we'll all recognize ALL out of game bonuses and incentives as being a prize in the cereal box, not a reason to buy in and of itself, regardless of what the program or purchase is.
That's probably one of the best ways of looking at these in-game item doodads I've yet read. Thank you for that.
Since Cryptic hasn't said definitively that the Galaxy-X will never be available any other way (and if anything has said just the opposite, just not when) I imagine they're waiting to see what happens 31 days after the R5F program went live, and how many of the recruit subscriptions are canceled (as evidence of either a player not being retained, or of someone who bought a a number of retail boxen and made sock-puppet accounts for purposes of getting the Galaxy-X.*) They'll never release those numbers, of course; but they would be very, very interesting from a sociology point of view.
I hate to agree with the sentiment, but maybe having it all blow up in one glorious giant detonation of forum-rage might knock enough sense into Atari Marketing and get them to hands-off for at least long enough for Cryptic to actually, you know, work on the game. Then again, it might take a Doomsday Machine to get Atari Marketing to behave. Or Lwaxana Troi.
Even if it were put in the C-store, "everyone" would not "have everything". I havent purchased ANY of the C-store ships, and I wouldnt be purchasing the Gal-X either. I do enjoy laughing at ridiculous exaggerations though, so please make more
Talk about ridiculous you claim not to want things but you keep making thread after thread just like you did for the preorder exclusives what a joke
Just because some things that may be beyond our control are unfair does not mean or justify those that are controllable being unfair. Also, the idea of equality is not communist. Heres a little quote you may have heard before:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."
But I guess you think that would be communist since it says equal
I love the founding fathers, so contrary that it underscores their humanity. I wont get into Franklin, but men who are acknowledged as the most intelligent on the planet during their lifetimes have a certain reputation. And then there's Jefferson, who wrote those words in that order that you quoted, "all men... created equal..." He is on the record as being nice to them, foiled attempts to reclaim them, even left an inheritance to some of his SLAVES.
I have seen documentaries where they relate Jefferson as agonizing over those words as they made him a hypocrite.
Careful who you quote my cunning friend as some of us are very realistic about our heroes.
Oh yes, I understand all of that. Unfortunately that system is not equal to everyone. Person A might simply send out 5 emails and get everyone to sign up. He literally might have only spent 5 mins. Person B might try to convince people in person to try the game, but not actually get anyone to do it. He might spend several days. On the other hand, every single person pays the exact same for an item in the C-store; you cant get more equal than that.
Obviously some people will be upset if this happens, and that is a shame. However, the real question is whether the amount of people who would actually cancel(rather than just complain) would equate to more money that the purchases of the item from the store. It would be interesting to know how it has panned out with the recent C-store additions, though Cryptic will obviously never give us that info. I have no doubt that some people canceled over this, but I also have no doubt that alot of items have been sold.
You caught me, I was of course thinking in terms of myself. Being a hardcore introvert, (my Jungian typology, as determined by the Myers-Briggs personality test, is INTJ), it would take so much effort on my part to secure the 5 RAFs that I have determined that it is not worth my time to even try. Still I would not want to cheapen the efforts of those who did get 5RAFs even if it only took them five minutes.
Besides Season 2.0 is right around the corner and we will get a whole new tier of ships. Also Cryptic is looking into refits of tier four ships to tier five. If that goes through it will only be a matter of time till the tier two ship you prefer can be upgraded to tier six.
Nagus you talk about equal to everyone how is it equal to everyone now that people have putt he time effort in to get the recruits? The only way to make it equal at this point is to keep it exclusive to the raf
Nagus you talk about equal to everyone how is it equal to everyone now that people have putt he time effort in to get the recruits? The only way to make it equal at this point is to keep it exclusive to the raf
Perhaps you are not aware of this, but there are people who recruited their friends to the game BEFORE this program was even announced, yet they get no Gal-X. That certainly is not "equal" for them, nor is the current program "equal" for the reasons I have already mentioned. The only truly "equal" way for a ship to be available is through the C-store, where everyone is required to pay the exact same price for it.
I love the founding fathers, so contrary that it underscores their humanity.
While I dont disagree with anything you said, your getting a bit beyond the discussion. If you look at the post I was replying to, he was making the ridiculous statement that an equal system in a VIDEO GAME is communism. The quote I provided was simply to make the point that something being "equal" has nothing to do with a communistic form of government.
Perhaps you are not aware of this, but there are people who recruited their friends to the game BEFORE this program was even announced, yet they get no Gal-X. That certainly is not "equal" for them, nor is the current program "equal" for the reasons I have already mentioned. The only truly "equal" way for a ship to be available is through the C-store, where everyone is required to pay the exact same price for it.
I hardly call a few bucks paying for something when other people had to spend hours of their time to get the referals. Again how is this equal some already got their referals judging by what they put the constitution on the cstore for how can they be equal the only way to make it equal is if it costs 225 thats what cryptic makes off every 5 referals more if the person stays in game for awhile
So I'm all for it. Put everything in the C-Store. But in the spirit of fairness and equality, the referral players should get to enjoy the Galaxy for the same length of time I got to enjoy the Mirror Universe uniforms. That being a month. Fair is fair, after all.
You really should consider letting this go already. Pixels in a game are simply not worth the aggravation you are bringing onto yourself over them.
I hardly call a few bucks paying for something when other people had to spend hours of their time to get the referals. Again how is this equal some already got their referals judging by what they put the constitution on the cstore for how can they be equal the only way to make it equal is if it costs 225 thats what cryptic makes off every 5 referals more if the person stays in game for awhile
How is the current system "equal" to people who already referred their friends before this program came out, but didnt get a Gal-X?
Referrals made prior to this program are not eligible for the new referral program. Not really rocket science, nor worth the continual crying over.
I didnt ask whether they were "eligible", I asked how is the current system "equal" to those people? And if your definition of "crying" is complaining about something you dont like, then by your own definition you are "crying" about other people complaining
And if your definition of "crying" is complaining about something you dont like, then by your own definition you are "crying" about other people complaining
they can refer 5 more. The program wasn't out that time so that argument doesnt apply here
LOL, of course you say it doesnt apply because it goes against your argument. Either way, that doesnt change the fact that the current system is unequal. Person A might simply send out 5 emails and get everyone to sign up. He literally might have only spent 5 mins. Person B might try to convince people in person to try the game, but not actually get anyone to do it. He might spend several days. On the other hand, items in the C-store are equal to everyone because they all cost exactly the same thing.
At this point, you would say that changing the way you get the Gal-X would be unfair to the people who have already gotten one. I wont even deny that. However, the options are A) a system that is unfair to everyone(for the reason explained above) or a system that is unfair to the FEW who have already gotten one. While it is obvious you would pick the first option, Spock said it best
I cant speak for you, but I have something called "free will" that allows me to choose which threads I want to read or not read. Perhaps your is malfunctioning?
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As I said, that dreadnought cruiser has sailed. Changing it now would trigger yet another forum blitz, and it wouldn't be fair to the people who either shelled out for N<=5 retail boxen and subscriptions, and/or persuaded N<=5 people to buy the game and subscribe. Going back and changing that would probably not be a good idea. If I had any control over the program from the start, though, the Galaxy-X as it is now would not have been an R5F reward. However, making an alternate method of earning the ship by in-game means would be good; the question then becomes, how tough should the in-game process be to award it. It's an academic question, though.
Preach on thats the real problem here peopel want what others either spent time working for or paid alot of money for next to nothing
I do think it should stay exclusive not everyone has to have everything
Personally, I think they should just release that and the Liberated Borg both on the same day. I ran out of outrage a long time ago and I think it might be a positive thing for the community just to go ahead and detonate those landmines now.
That way, in the future, we'll all recognize ALL out of game bonuses and incentives as being a prize in the cereal box, not a reason to buy in and of itself, regardless of what the program or purchase is.
Let people blow up. But once they do, the community as a whole will be better for it.
Given that it has a cloaking device, no I do not think it should be made available through in-game efforts or the C-Store; pull off that cloak and sure why not.
Even if it were put in the C-store, "everyone" would not "have everything". I havent purchased ANY of the C-store ships, and I wouldnt be purchasing the Gal-X either. I do enjoy laughing at ridiculous exaggerations though, so please make more
That's probably one of the best ways of looking at these in-game item doodads I've yet read. Thank you for that.
Since Cryptic hasn't said definitively that the Galaxy-X will never be available any other way (and if anything has said just the opposite, just not when) I imagine they're waiting to see what happens 31 days after the R5F program went live, and how many of the recruit subscriptions are canceled (as evidence of either a player not being retained, or of someone who bought a a number of retail boxen and made sock-puppet accounts for purposes of getting the Galaxy-X.*) They'll never release those numbers, of course; but they would be very, very interesting from a sociology point of view.
I hate to agree with the sentiment, but maybe having it all blow up in one glorious giant detonation of forum-rage might knock enough sense into Atari Marketing and get them to hands-off for at least long enough for Cryptic to actually, you know, work on the game.
Talk about ridiculous you claim not to want things but you keep making thread after thread just like you did for the preorder exclusives what a joke
Your right, it IS all one big joke; a very entertaining one at that. Posts like yours make it all worth it
You must be a very lonely person then living in mommys basement:D
If thats the case, you must be even lonelier to be reading and replying IN my threads
Anything else wouldn't be making the majority of the players happy, after all.
I love the founding fathers, so contrary that it underscores their humanity. I wont get into Franklin, but men who are acknowledged as the most intelligent on the planet during their lifetimes have a certain reputation. And then there's Jefferson, who wrote those words in that order that you quoted, "all men... created equal..." He is on the record as being nice to them, foiled attempts to reclaim them, even left an inheritance to some of his SLAVES.
I have seen documentaries where they relate Jefferson as agonizing over those words as they made him a hypocrite.
Careful who you quote my cunning friend as some of us are very realistic about our heroes.
You caught me, I was of course thinking in terms of myself. Being a hardcore introvert, (my Jungian typology, as determined by the Myers-Briggs personality test, is INTJ), it would take so much effort on my part to secure the 5 RAFs that I have determined that it is not worth my time to even try. Still I would not want to cheapen the efforts of those who did get 5RAFs even if it only took them five minutes.
Besides Season 2.0 is right around the corner and we will get a whole new tier of ships. Also Cryptic is looking into refits of tier four ships to tier five. If that goes through it will only be a matter of time till the tier two ship you prefer can be upgraded to tier six.
Perhaps you are not aware of this, but there are people who recruited their friends to the game BEFORE this program was even announced, yet they get no Gal-X. That certainly is not "equal" for them, nor is the current program "equal" for the reasons I have already mentioned. The only truly "equal" way for a ship to be available is through the C-store, where everyone is required to pay the exact same price for it.
While I dont disagree with anything you said, your getting a bit beyond the discussion. If you look at the post I was replying to, he was making the ridiculous statement that an equal system in a VIDEO GAME is communism. The quote I provided was simply to make the point that something being "equal" has nothing to do with a communistic form of government.
I hardly call a few bucks paying for something when other people had to spend hours of their time to get the referals. Again how is this equal some already got their referals judging by what they put the constitution on the cstore for how can they be equal the only way to make it equal is if it costs 225 thats what cryptic makes off every 5 referals more if the person stays in game for awhile
You really should consider letting this go already. Pixels in a game are simply not worth the aggravation you are bringing onto yourself over them.
How is the current system "equal" to people who already referred their friends before this program came out, but didnt get a Gal-X?
Referrals made prior to this program are not eligible for the new referral program. Not really rocket science, nor worth the continual crying over.
I didnt ask whether they were "eligible", I asked how is the current system "equal" to those people? And if your definition of "crying" is complaining about something you dont like, then by your own definition you are "crying" about other people complaining
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they can refer 5 more. The program wasn't out that time so that argument doesnt apply here
Sounds like nappy time for you little guy. Sleep tight!
Not sleepy. Just bored of all the silliness here.
LOL, of course you say it doesnt apply because it goes against your argument. Either way, that doesnt change the fact that the current system is unequal. Person A might simply send out 5 emails and get everyone to sign up. He literally might have only spent 5 mins. Person B might try to convince people in person to try the game, but not actually get anyone to do it. He might spend several days. On the other hand, items in the C-store are equal to everyone because they all cost exactly the same thing.
At this point, you would say that changing the way you get the Gal-X would be unfair to the people who have already gotten one. I wont even deny that. However, the options are A) a system that is unfair to everyone(for the reason explained above) or
I cant speak for you, but I have something called "free will" that allows me to choose which threads I want to read or not read. Perhaps your is malfunctioning?