Because unfortunately the way referrals work is NOT at all equal. One person may get the first 5 people who he invites to join, another person may spend even MORE time but not get ANYONE to join. On the other hand, everyone has to pay the exact same for the items in the C-store; there is nothing more "equal" than that, to use your word
Just so I understand what you really want you want a game where you can just buy everything why bother playing
Because unfortunately the way referrals work is NOT at all equal. One person may get the first 5 people who he invites to join, another person may spend even MORE time but not get ANYONE to join. On the other hand, everyone has to pay the exact same for the items in the C-store; there is nothing more "equal" than that, to use your word
Some of us have also already exhausted our list of people beyond which sending out referral solicitations would be spamming and, thus, rude.
Just so I understand what you really want you want a game where you can just buy everything why bother playing
No, I'd honestly prefer it be unlockable through something in-game. Right now, though, it can be 'just bought' for $225 or you can foist the cost off on others.
Just so I understand what you really want you want a game where you can just buy everything why bother playing
Maybe you should try that argument when we're talking about an item that you get through actual GAMEPLAY. The way you get the Gal-X has nothing to do with playing the game either, so you defeated your own argument on that one
We dont want to lord it over everyone we want it to be "equal for everyone" like nagus himself said we had to get 5 referals to get ours why shouldn't everyone else?
I must admit, I wasn't directing that post at you. Yet, I would like to respond to this quote.
The problem with the Gal X has been a problem since it was announced. There are some who have already spent time trying to get friends into the game and they did so. They don't qualify for the Gal X. Now, I am not one of those individuals but this was something that was brought up when the RAF was launched.
So because they already supported the game and brought in new subs they are penalized and don't have the opportunity you or I do.
Well if you have a problem with the word "cost", I'll simply restate the point again without it:
You: You are trying to get something for a LOT less than other's have had to pay for it.
Me: Pay? You dont have to pay anything, you just have to get 5 people to sub.
There ya go
What I have to say is about as neutral a stance as anyone can take on the issue. Time and money are interchangeable factors after all.
When you take a car to the mechanic you pay for allot more than just the parts needed for maintenance and repair you pay for the manhours costs as well, which can be, depending on the location, 80 dollars an hour right now. Of course the mechanic only keeps a fraction of the manhours cost the rest goes to the shop and it's overhead and the service writer. If it takes from personal time then it is a type of cost even if the task is enjoyable. A Ferengi above all should be aware of this. A business meeting conducted on the back nine is still a business meeting.
So time spent wrangling friends, family and complete strangers to adopt STO for at least a month is a type of cost. What is ones personal time worth? When I ask myself this question I realize just how much I don't want the Gal-X. If all work and no play lead to poor health then I should remind you of rule of acquisition 23 Nothing is more important than your health ... except for your money. Or perhaps an unofficial Rule of Acquisition: Time, like latinum, is a highly limited commodity.
I would in no way cheapen the honest efforts of those who did not exploit the RAF system and still got a Gal-X. Time is a factor in this. They should get time to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Cryptic should learn that details help to suspend disbelief while they engender credibility. If a shiny will eventually wind up in the C-Store then they should give a minimum time before that happens and stick to it. Credibility and trust make good customers. See rule of acquisition number 57: Good customers are as rare as latinum. Treasure them.
Since nothing is sacred anymore, the del Taco shuttle AND the Galaxy X should all be on the C-Store's next 'mega-update'
I do wonder if anyone would actually buy the shuttle. It's pretty damn unimpressive.
As far as the Galaxy-X... there are yet more promises in the way of that, albeit promises that have already been broken in 'small' :rolleyes: ways with the unique traits of C-store species and now the TOS Connie with the extra console..
Since nothing is sacred anymore, the del Taco shuttle AND the Galaxy X should all be on the C-Store's next 'mega-update'
I'd be more happy with ...
Del Taco Tacos being put on the C-Store. And then you get a code for a free shuttle given to you when your tacos arrive in the mail.
But ... you know ... me + tacos = Happy Captain.
It wouldn't even have to be a fully made and ready to eat taco. It could be a special Star Trek Online Del Taco making Kit. Like a kit. To make tacos. And a code. For a shuttle. Your taco delivery shuttle.
Del Taco Tacos being put on the C-Store. And then you get a code for a free shuttle given to you when your tacos arrive in the mail.
But ... you know ... me + tacos = Happy Captain.
It wouldn't even have to be a fully made and ready to eat taco. It could be a special Star Trek Online Del Taco making Kit. Like a kit. To make tacos. And a code. For a shuttle. Your taco delivery shuttle.
The reason why is this: This ship is not somekind of exclusive you sped $50 on a retail box. It's something that takes alot of time and affort and convincing for alot of us that have it. And for the people that bought the gams and subs themselves spent like $300 or something. Thats as much as a LTS, same as the MU uniforms.
The Galaxy-X and MU should be vet rewards like the Captain's Table will be in 400 days (should be 600 tbh). Cryptic rewards people that go an extra length for the game. That is how life works people, you work extra hard and you get back more then someone that just shows for work to sit at their desk and do the least they can.
If you want the Dreadnaut then get it like the people that have it did. If you dont have $300 then go and find people. The world is full of people that you havent met yet that may be intrested in Star Trek, but you dont know cause you probably havent gone around the net or town. And if you have but couldnt get anyone to bite, then I am glad you tried and you should get some award for trying hard, but that's the way life is. Sometimes we get things and sometimes we dont. What about your neighboor with the BMW or Corvette that you want? You could get one if you truely descided to find a way to make enough to buy one. There are people desciding to goto school at community college or online college so they can acieve more, maybe some of thoes graduate will be able to afford that car you want.
I didnt have a problem with the Exclusives going C-Store, infact I was glad. I think the uniforms should be free so fleets can have "Fleet Uniforms," The MU people paid a dear price for them and got ganked by Cryptic. So what if they didnt promise to keep it exclusive, it should still be for a while longer.
The Galaxy-X should eventually be made open to everyone but not for a long time. Like the Lifetimers Captain's Table, it should be a vet reward. Us Lifetimers put out alot of $$$ and to put out that much money and have your asylum open to the public the next month would be insane. They are going to keep the RAF program going for a long time I bet.
1,000 people see it and want to get it so they go and try to get 5 people. Most people get 1 or 2 to subscribe for a month. That a $15.00 to $30.00 times 1,000 you do the math. If you want it right now then start finding people.
For another example to make it easier to grasp: Supposed they made the Medal of Honor for your military something you could get by tripping on your shoelaces and getting a nonfatal concussion. Everyone would be tripping and falling. People that get the MOH do something incredable for their country and most of all, their fellow soldiers. Jumping on a grenade to save youre squad is a selfless act (a large sacrifice). Soldiers dont do things like that to get the MOH when their dead. They sacrifice something, like their life. The MOH would have no meaning anymore if someone bumped their head and got one too. I'm not saying to go out and get killed but the example is about paying a price and recieving an award for it.
So you sacrifice something like your time to recruit 5 people or your time at work to spend $300 dollars and then you can get the Galaxy-X. People that go up and beyond tend to be rewarded for it. Its how awards in my fleet are earned. Most of our member play the game. Some donate real $$$ to support our website. The least I can do is give them a rare medal of recognition on their fleet profile. The members that donate money are like life time subscribers making a longterm investment. If I could I'd give them a special ingame reward or free C-Points.
Sitting here on the forums crying and making posts is just sad! Get off your butt and recruit some people!
Yes.... just to see the look on people's faces. You know, that look like dogs make when they tilt their heads at you and are probably thinking, "WTF"... :P
Thats why I said this as my answer. Just because adding it to the c-store would be ridiculously funny. ^_^
i have to say some people are SAD! I've heard of everything from buying people the game to offering massive in game bonuses for referrals. you people that paid whatever amount of money to get this ship you are pathetic. We should resist these underhanded tactics by cryptic to force more money from us. Give it a while it will be a c-store item.
What I have to say is about as neutral a stance as anyone can take on the issue. Time and money are interchangeable factors after all.
When you take a car to the mechanic you pay for allot more than just the parts needed for maintenance and repair you pay for the manhours costs as well, which can be, depending on the location, 80 dollars an hour right now. Of course the mechanic only keeps a fraction of the manhours cost the rest goes to the shop and it's overhead and the service writer. If it takes from personal time then it is a type of cost even if the task is enjoyable. A Ferengi above all should be aware of this. A business meeting conducted on the back nine is still a business meeting.
So time spent wrangling friends, family and complete strangers to adopt STO for at least a month is a type of cost. What is ones personal time worth? When I ask myself this question I realize just how much I don't want the Gal-X. If all work and no play lead to poor health then I should remind you of rule of acquisition 23 Nothing is more important than your health ... except for your money. Or perhaps an unofficial Rule of Acquisition: Time, like latinum, is a highly limited commodity.
I would in no way cheapen the honest efforts of those who did not exploit the RAF system and still got a Gal-X. Time is a factor in this. They should get time to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Cryptic should learn that details help to suspend disbelief while they engender credibility. If a shiny will eventually wind up in the C-Store then they should give a minimum time before that happens and stick to it. Credibility and trust make good customers. See rule of acquisition number 57: Good customers are as rare as latinum. Treasure them.
Oh yes, I understand all of that. Unfortunately that system is not equal to everyone. Person A might simply send out 5 emails and get everyone to sign up. He literally might have only spent 5 mins. Person B might try to convince people in person to try the game, but not actually get anyone to do it. He might spend several days. On the other hand, every single person pays the exact same for an item in the C-store; you cant get more equal than that.
Obviously some people will be upset if this happens, and that is a shame. However, the real question is whether the amount of people who would actually cancel(rather than just complain) would equate to more money that the purchases of the item from the store. It would be interesting to know how it has panned out with the recent C-store additions, though Cryptic will obviously never give us that info. I have no doubt that some people canceled over this, but I also have no doubt that alot of items have been sold.
Really, you don't have to petition at all--Cryptic will add the Galaxy-X into the C-Store when it feels it is ready to do so at their own benefit. That's its only consideration.
~Notice how Cryptic gave you Buddy Keys to give away to their friends, until everyone ran out of friends to refer to, THEN Cryptic started the Referral Programme with Galaxy-X as the big fat carrot.
So really, you don't need to petition--Cryptic will add the Galaxy-X into the C-Store when it feels it is ready to do so at their own benefit.
its an idea for an epic quest like other mmos have.an epic quest for each ship class where the reward is something like this. say a tier 5 gla-x class for cruisers, a tier 5 defiant with non-combat cloak for escorts, as for science, maybe oberth class at tier 5.
Oh yes, I understand all of that. Unfortunately that system is not equal to everyone. Person A might simply send out 5 emails and get everyone to sign up. He literally might have only spent 5 mins. Person B might try to convince people in person to try the game, but not actually get anyone to do it. He might spend several days. On the other hand, every single person pays the exact same for an item in the C-store; you cant get more equal than that.
Obviously some people will be upset if this happens, and that is a shame. However, the real question is whether the amount of people who would actually cancel(rather than just complain) would equate to more money that the purchases of the item from the store. It would be interesting to know how it has panned out with the recent C-store additions, though Cryptic will obviously never give us that info. I have no doubt that some people canceled over this, but I also have no doubt that alot of items have been sold.
Yes its unequal to eveyone, but get a hint life is UNFAIR deal with it. Im tired of all this communist TRIBBLE.
*shakes head * what ever happened to people wanted to earn something. back in SWG if I wanted one of the best weapon for a bounty hunter I had to work hard and earn it, and when I earned it I felt proud to have it. where is the pride if you don't earn it?
Yes its unequal to eveyone, but get a hint life is UNFAIR deal with it. Im tired of all this communist TRIBBLE.
Just because some things that may be beyond our control are unfair does not mean or justify those that are controllable being unfair. Also, the idea of equality is not communist. Heres a little quote you may have heard before:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."
But I guess you think that would be communist since it says equal
*shakes head * what ever happened to people wanted to earn something. back in SWG if I wanted one of the best weapon for a bounty hunter I had to work hard and earn it, and when I earned it I felt proud to have it. where is the pride if you don't earn it?
Good question.
MMO companies aren't complaining, though. When they can just sell stuff, they don't even have to create gameplay to support the 'working for it' part. :rolleyes:
Personally I don't think it should be in the C-store for reasons beside 'exclusiveness' (which we all know means jack **** to Marketing), but I do think it should be available in-game.
I personally see getting the referrals as finding other people to foist off the ~$225 cost of the Gal-X on, especially with the ridiculous sorts of spamming that popped up here on the forums and elsewhere.
I personally see getting the referrals as finding other people to foist off the ~$225 cost of the Gal-X on, especially with the ridiculous sorts of spamming that popped up here on the forums and elsewhere.
with all honesty If you can get five people to join and stick with the game, then you do deserve the gal-x, but I would still like to see it tired in to something really hard to do in game.
In a previous poll the vast majority of voters said the Galaxy-X should not remain exclusive to the referral program and should be made available though some others means. As a follow up question:
But I would rather it remained exclusive for now. If this promotion is actually bringing in new players, then they should keep the exclusive exclusive. If it's not bringing in new players, then toss it on the C-Store.
Just get over it...its staying exclusive..unfortuneatly you crying babies cant get everything in game. If yah dont like it just *points to the exit door*
*shakes head * what ever happened to people wanted to earn something. back in SWG if I wanted one of the best weapon for a bounty hunter I had to work hard and earn it, and when I earned it I felt proud to have it. where is the pride if you don't earn it?
If I could buy it in the C-Store I will have earned it. I earned the money I used to spend on it. Money I get for my Veteran's disability. A disability I got while serving my country. A disability that has given me years of pain and suffering. So I have no problem feeling proud about using my disability money to buy something from the C-Store.
That being said I really don't care if the ship gets put up for sale. I just wanted to give Zod an alternate perspective to consider.
I think its better as a Vet reward than a C-Store item. Let people earn it in say, 18-24 months for loyalty to the game.
Achieving 5 referals is a significant contribution to the game and those guys deserve to have a reward that stays exclusive to them for at least that long...
If the referal program is ongoing then it should never be added to the c-store. Only players that refer 5 playeyrs with 5 referals should should get it - and possibly long-time Vets (who by that time, will have arguably contributed just as significantly).
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Just so I understand what you really want you want a game where you can just buy everything why bother playing
Some of us have also already exhausted our list of people beyond which sending out referral solicitations would be spamming and, thus, rude.
No, I'd honestly prefer it be unlockable through something in-game. Right now, though, it can be 'just bought' for $225 or you can foist the cost off on others.
Maybe you should try that argument when we're talking about an item that you get through actual GAMEPLAY. The way you get the Gal-X has nothing to do with playing the game either, so you defeated your own argument on that one
I must admit, I wasn't directing that post at you. Yet, I would like to respond to this quote.
The problem with the Gal X has been a problem since it was announced. There are some who have already spent time trying to get friends into the game and they did so. They don't qualify for the Gal X. Now, I am not one of those individuals but this was something that was brought up when the RAF was launched.
So because they already supported the game and brought in new subs they are penalized and don't have the opportunity you or I do.
What I have to say is about as neutral a stance as anyone can take on the issue. Time and money are interchangeable factors after all.
When you take a car to the mechanic you pay for allot more than just the parts needed for maintenance and repair you pay for the manhours costs as well, which can be, depending on the location, 80 dollars an hour right now. Of course the mechanic only keeps a fraction of the manhours cost the rest goes to the shop and it's overhead and the service writer. If it takes from personal time then it is a type of cost even if the task is enjoyable. A Ferengi above all should be aware of this. A business meeting conducted on the back nine is still a business meeting.
So time spent wrangling friends, family and complete strangers to adopt STO for at least a month is a type of cost. What is ones personal time worth? When I ask myself this question I realize just how much I don't want the Gal-X. If all work and no play lead to poor health then I should remind you of rule of acquisition 23 Nothing is more important than your health ... except for your money. Or perhaps an unofficial Rule of Acquisition: Time, like latinum, is a highly limited commodity.
I would in no way cheapen the honest efforts of those who did not exploit the RAF system and still got a Gal-X. Time is a factor in this. They should get time to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Cryptic should learn that details help to suspend disbelief while they engender credibility. If a shiny will eventually wind up in the C-Store then they should give a minimum time before that happens and stick to it. Credibility and trust make good customers. See rule of acquisition number 57: Good customers are as rare as latinum. Treasure them.
I do wonder if anyone would actually buy the shuttle. It's pretty damn unimpressive.
As far as the Galaxy-X... there are yet more promises in the way of that, albeit promises that have already been broken in 'small' :rolleyes: ways with the unique traits of C-store species and now the TOS Connie with the extra console..
I'd be more happy with ...
Del Taco Tacos being put on the C-Store. And then you get a code for a free shuttle given to you when your tacos arrive in the mail.
But ... you know ... me + tacos = Happy Captain.
It wouldn't even have to be a fully made and ready to eat taco. It could be a special Star Trek Online Del Taco making Kit. Like a kit. To make tacos. And a code. For a shuttle. Your taco delivery shuttle.
Tacos. Yum!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIscQr5P_ec&feature=related TACoOOooSSss!
The reason why is this: This ship is not somekind of exclusive you sped $50 on a retail box. It's something that takes alot of time and affort and convincing for alot of us that have it. And for the people that bought the gams and subs themselves spent like $300 or something. Thats as much as a LTS, same as the MU uniforms.
The Galaxy-X and MU should be vet rewards like the Captain's Table will be in 400 days (should be 600 tbh). Cryptic rewards people that go an extra length for the game. That is how life works people, you work extra hard and you get back more then someone that just shows for work to sit at their desk and do the least they can.
If you want the Dreadnaut then get it like the people that have it did. If you dont have $300 then go and find people. The world is full of people that you havent met yet that may be intrested in Star Trek, but you dont know cause you probably havent gone around the net or town. And if you have but couldnt get anyone to bite, then I am glad you tried and you should get some award for trying hard, but that's the way life is. Sometimes we get things and sometimes we dont. What about your neighboor with the BMW or Corvette that you want? You could get one if you truely descided to find a way to make enough to buy one. There are people desciding to goto school at community college or online college so they can acieve more, maybe some of thoes graduate will be able to afford that car you want.
I didnt have a problem with the Exclusives going C-Store, infact I was glad. I think the uniforms should be free so fleets can have "Fleet Uniforms," The MU people paid a dear price for them and got ganked by Cryptic. So what if they didnt promise to keep it exclusive, it should still be for a while longer.
The Galaxy-X should eventually be made open to everyone but not for a long time. Like the Lifetimers Captain's Table, it should be a vet reward. Us Lifetimers put out alot of $$$ and to put out that much money and have your asylum open to the public the next month would be insane. They are going to keep the RAF program going for a long time I bet.
1,000 people see it and want to get it so they go and try to get 5 people. Most people get 1 or 2 to subscribe for a month. That a $15.00 to $30.00 times 1,000 you do the math. If you want it right now then start finding people.
For another example to make it easier to grasp: Supposed they made the Medal of Honor for your military something you could get by tripping on your shoelaces and getting a nonfatal concussion. Everyone would be tripping and falling. People that get the MOH do something incredable for their country and most of all, their fellow soldiers. Jumping on a grenade to save youre squad is a selfless act (a large sacrifice). Soldiers dont do things like that to get the MOH when their dead. They sacrifice something, like their life. The MOH would have no meaning anymore if someone bumped their head and got one too. I'm not saying to go out and get killed but the example is about paying a price and recieving an award for it.
So you sacrifice something like your time to recruit 5 people or your time at work to spend $300 dollars and then you can get the Galaxy-X. People that go up and beyond tend to be rewarded for it. Its how awards in my fleet are earned. Most of our member play the game. Some donate real $$$ to support our website. The least I can do is give them a rare medal of recognition on their fleet profile. The members that donate money are like life time subscribers making a longterm investment. If I could I'd give them a special ingame reward or free C-Points.
Sitting here on the forums crying and making posts is just sad! Get off your butt and recruit some people!
Thats why I said this as my answer. Just because adding it to the c-store would be ridiculously funny. ^_^
Oh yes, I understand all of that. Unfortunately that system is not equal to everyone. Person A might simply send out 5 emails and get everyone to sign up. He literally might have only spent 5 mins. Person B might try to convince people in person to try the game, but not actually get anyone to do it. He might spend several days. On the other hand, every single person pays the exact same for an item in the C-store; you cant get more equal than that.
Obviously some people will be upset if this happens, and that is a shame. However, the real question is whether the amount of people who would actually cancel(rather than just complain) would equate to more money that the purchases of the item from the store. It would be interesting to know how it has panned out with the recent C-store additions, though Cryptic will obviously never give us that info. I have no doubt that some people canceled over this, but I also have no doubt that alot of items have been sold.
Really, you don't have to petition at all--Cryptic will add the Galaxy-X into the C-Store when it feels it is ready to do so at their own benefit. That's its only consideration.
~Notice how Cryptic gave you Buddy Keys to give away to their friends, until everyone ran out of friends to refer to, THEN Cryptic started the Referral Programme with Galaxy-X as the big fat carrot.
So really, you don't need to petition--Cryptic will add the Galaxy-X into the C-Store when it feels it is ready to do so at their own benefit.
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Yes, there will be days and days of people screaming about how they spent $300 to get it and now it's not exclusive etc. ad nauseum.
but then all the people that rage quit last week would have to rage quit again.
and the same for klingons.
Yes its unequal to eveyone, but get a hint life is UNFAIR deal with it. Im tired of all this communist TRIBBLE.
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*shakes head * what ever happened to people wanted to earn something. back in SWG if I wanted one of the best weapon for a bounty hunter I had to work hard and earn it, and when I earned it I felt proud to have it. where is the pride if you don't earn it?
Just because some things that may be beyond our control are unfair does not mean or justify those that are controllable being unfair. Also, the idea of equality is not communist. Heres a little quote you may have heard before:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."
But I guess you think that would be communist since it says equal
Good question.
MMO companies aren't complaining, though. When they can just sell stuff, they don't even have to create gameplay to support the 'working for it' part. :rolleyes:
Personally I don't think it should be in the C-store for reasons beside 'exclusiveness' (which we all know means jack **** to Marketing), but I do think it should be available in-game.
I personally see getting the referrals as finding other people to foist off the ~$225 cost of the Gal-X on, especially with the ridiculous sorts of spamming that popped up here on the forums and elsewhere.
with all honesty If you can get five people to join and stick with the game, then you do deserve the gal-x, but I would still like to see it tired in to something really hard to do in game.
I'm never going to get one. I want one.
But I would rather it remained exclusive for now. If this promotion is actually bringing in new players, then they should keep the exclusive exclusive. If it's not bringing in new players, then toss it on the C-Store.
If I could buy it in the C-Store I will have earned it. I earned the money I used to spend on it. Money I get for my Veteran's disability. A disability I got while serving my country. A disability that has given me years of pain and suffering. So I have no problem feeling proud about using my disability money to buy something from the C-Store.
That being said I really don't care if the ship gets put up for sale. I just wanted to give Zod an alternate perspective to consider.
Achieving 5 referals is a significant contribution to the game and those guys deserve to have a reward that stays exclusive to them for at least that long...
If the referal program is ongoing then it should never be added to the c-store. Only players that refer 5 playeyrs with 5 referals should should get it - and possibly long-time Vets (who by that time, will have arguably contributed just as significantly).