Better off? A few new subs for a while vs. people who were willing to tough it out leaving over this?
If the new subs that come in, exceed the quantity of those that actually quit (as opposed to those that threaten to quit, but never do). Then yes, the game is better off.
Thank you for fostering an elitist, shill attitude when we should be fighting against it so Cryptic keep their promise about all gameplay affecting items being available in-game.
Seriously, people like you are why this game is going down in flames.
What's your problem? I just stated my opinion and you chew me out for being an "elitist" and having a "shill attitude"? I think you need to cool off; this is just a forum and a game, not a battleground. Find some people to recruit and "save" this game that's "going down in flames".
I assume you're taking the stance that says, "I don't like the fact that we're recruiting to a game, but if you're going to do it then there should be rewards"
How the hell is it going to improve if Cryptic keep making decisions that critically undermine it?
How does a decision like making a ship, seen just one-time under special circumstances in the show, exclusive constitute a critical and undermining error?
Better off? A few new subs for a while vs. people who were willing to tough it out leaving over this?
Honestly, who is really going to quit over this? There will probably be four or five people who claim on the forums that they are quitting but they will just lay low with their accounts active and pop back up a few days later.
No, I can't. A lot of people can't. I has nothing to do with effort. I cannot badger people into paying money for a service they don't want.
Again, show us in the details provided where Cryptic has asked you to "badger" anyone who is not willing to try the game? Quote it directly. I'd love to see it.
You implied you already had 5 subscribers when by your own admission you don't even have 3.
Show me where. That's not what I said at all. I said I have no problem trying to find 5 and had already contacted 3.
How dare you sit there and dictate to me how I should earn an item I've requested since beta.
And it's ok for you to dictate that others willing to work for it shouldn't have it?
Again, show us in the details provided where Cryptic has asked you to "badger" anyone who is not willing to try the game? Quote it directly. I'd love to see it.
If I want the Galaxy X, this is what I must do.
Show me where. That's not what I said at all. I said I have no problem trying to find 5 and had already contacted 3.
If you have no problem finding 5, why have you only contacted 3?
And it's ok for you to dictate that others willing to work for it shouldn't have it?
Funny, I never said you shouldn't get it. I said it shouldn't be exclusive to you.
A shame you don't think the same of me. You do think I shouldn't get it.
Should there be an exclusive reward for the Referral program?
YES.
But it doesnt need to be the Galaxy-X. Just make it a variant that has an exclusive ability or appearance to whats in game already. Nothing more exclusive than the pre-order Tribble, TOS Constitution Class, etc, but EXCLUSIVE. Effort = Reward.
I'm not even going to bother quoting people, but, I think everyone needs to calm down. At the end of the day it's just a game, and it's just a ship in a game. I see some really harsh things being posted and that will probably get the thread closed. Thread closing is the last thing that helps any kind of change or progress. So, lets relax.
Should there be an exclusive reward for the Referral program?
YES.
But it doesnt need to be the Galaxy-X. Just make it a variant that has an exclusive ability or appearance to whats in game already. Nothing more exclusive than the pre-order Tribble, TOS Constitution Class, etc, but EXCLUSIVE. Effort = Reward.
I pretty much agree with this, if my post wasn't already clear enough. There should be some exclusive ship, but I'd rather it be some cryptic original prestige ship. I'd still want it, I'd still try to get five people to obtain it, but it wouldn't feel like a poorly executed idea.
If the new subs that come in, exceed the quantity of those that actually quit (as opposed to those that threaten to quit, but never do). Then yes, the game is better off.
Lets see replace dedicated players who dont mind playing an ibcomplete game and have shown a willingness to put up with an incredible amount of nonsense from Cryptic. You think it evens out getting a newb who will have to go through the same trials of disgust and still in the end believe the games worth staying. Unlike the original player who is a known commodity.
Do ppl even bother thinking logically anymore. 1+1 doesnt always = 2 when yo account for variables. And noway are you gonna replace the rage quitters with new flash in the pants recruits. Nevermind exceed.
Lets see replace dedicated players who dont mind playing an ibcomplete game and have shown a willingness to put up with an incredible amount of nonsense from Cryptic. You think it evens out getting a newb who will have to go through the same trials of disgust and still in the end believe the games worth staying. Unlike the original player who is a known commodity.
Do ppl even bother thinking logically anymore. 1+1 doesnt always = 2 when yo account for variables. And noway are you gonna replace the rage quitters with new flash in the pants recruits. Nevermind exceed.
Because never getting new people in the game is going to widen the STO playbase, how?
I think it should remain exclusive. My reasons why:
- They want to encourage us to tell friends about STO by making this exclusive to the RAF program. This is called an incentive to tell your friends about STO.
- If the Galaxy ship was obtainable by other means in game, the reward for the RAF program would be useless.
- I do not like how Cryptic manages their business in a lot of respects, but this is their decision. No one DESERVES access to all exclusives. A reward is something earned for a specific task.... not earned by other tasks deemed acceptable by a player.
Sorry, that's just my perspective on it. Thanks to the OP for setting up the poll !
Personally, I think every pre-order, DDE, et al. bonus or option should be made available to everyone at some point.
I'm 'meh' regarding the Refer-A-Friend thing. There definitely should be a reward for encouraging a friend to sub, let alone five. Maybe a free C-Store item or a previous bonus option (like a playable Borg or the TOS ship).
I'm not getting bent out of shape over the Galaxy X, though. I thought it looked slapdash, anyway. Gotta watch out for that huge third nacelle when you take the shuttle out for a spin. The spinal mount phaser was cool though. Model pics here.
I think that it will be released in the c-store at some point as the promototions page says "A special ship: The Tier 5 "All Good Things" Galaxy Class".
It does not use the word exclusive, which is used against the bridge officer.
I really dont know what the deal over the ship is. It was ugly. And they are trying to get people to recommend STO to their friends. I guess if you want the ship so badly, go out and find 5 people to subscribe for a month.
I cant wait to see the lvl 51 ships and how to get them. Everything the devs have said has sounded really cool. The All Good Things Enterprise doesnt sound that cool and in my opinion was ugly beyond all current possible ugliness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a7l20sa8TA skip to 5:26 and give ear to Christopher from Earth's question and Jacks response. This all has to do with balance for hardcore players and casual players. Sure the Galaxy-X controversy is not the same as a 15 year old grinding 80 hours a week but even a 15 year old grinding 80 hours a week would be hard pressed to keep up with a socially adept extrovert or a 40 year old with too much expendable income.
The cannon has a very narrow field of fire, I hope so because the Galaxy-X shown on All Good Things fired straight ahead with zero deflection like the Yamato gun in Starblazers. They are putting it on a cruiser which turns slow that is good but cruisers, especially cruisers piloted by engineers, turn faster now that turning has been moved to engines.
If it winds up like the Romulan ship from ST Nemesis and shooting the Yamato cannon is just as suicidal then I am fine with the 5 active account RAF. If on the other hand the Galaxy-X can line up shots and hit multiple targets with one shot kills with relative impunity STO will have problems.
You made promises Jack, sad thing is some of us have been loyal enough to remember them.
For the sake of argument, shouldn't someone who refers 5 active players get something pretty nifty and exclusive? If not the Galaxy X, what would you suggest?
For the sake of argument, shouldn't someone who refers 5 active players get something pretty nifty and exclusive? If not the Galaxy X, what would you suggest?
Sure! Why not an exclusive Galaxy-X skin? Oh wait, if not. Well, anything else that's not a unique set of gameplay-affecting powers.
I haven't often agreed with TGN here or over on the SWG boards when I saw him there. However, and I already said as much in the thread dstahl responded in, I am not happy about the particular selection for the referral program either. So, I guess I'm in agreement with him.
Putting a widely wanted item in a pyramid scheme reward system feels tacky to me; period. It is my opinion that if you are going to put something in the refer program reward it should be something Cryptic created and not something I'd say a fair amount of us want to see obtainable in a different way. Either in the C-Store or through in game means.
From the looks of it though this really is a moot argument as it sounds like management isn't even going to consider rethinking this if what I read was right. If it sticks the only thing I can say is... it better not be a limited time offer program. And you ought to at least consider rewarding backend purchasers of the CEs that got buddy passes credit for referrals in my opinion as well. Not that I think this is going to get read though.
Vent on people. Agree with it or not it appears the selection is at least something the entire STO community is passionate about. Probably because it's brief appearance in AGTs did what Star Trek has always done... given us hope for the future. Oddly giving the Galaxy-X a certain sentimental value to all of us who love the IP. Best way I can articulate that as I know some of you don't care either way or, in fact, didn't like the design at all.
If it sticks the only thing I can say is... it better not be a limited time offer program.
I would like to counter with one thing:
They're already planning to lift the level cap beyond 45 in S2 and beyond 50 after that, at which point they're planning to offer T6 Galaxy, Defiant and Intrepid refits.
The AGT Enterprise is a Tier 5 ship and, even with extra powers, will be obsolete in less than a year.
Worth considering. This is one reason that, while I'm not crazy about it, it doesn't bother me more. Because it has a fairly limited window of use/value.
They could keep this program going indefinitely if you want but it doesn't change the fact that this is a Tier 5 ship being offered in a game that is planning Tier 6 ships.
So offering it for an unlimited term is pretty meaningless and being upset about not having it is something that I wouldn't put too much emotion into because, very soon, these ships will only ever be seen for vanity exhibitions like the TOS Connie.
They're already planning to lift the level cap beyond 45 in S2 and beyond 50 after that, at which point they're planning to offer T6 Galaxy, Defiant and Intrepid refits.
The AGT Enterprise is a Tier 5 ship and, even with extra powers, will be obsolete in less than a year.
Worth considering. This is one reason that, while I'm not crazy about it, it doesn't bother me more. Because it has a fairly limited window of use/value.
They could keep this program going indefinitely if you want but it doesn't change the fact that this is a Tier 5 ship being offered in a game that is planning Tier 6 ships.
So offering it for an unlimited term is pretty meaningless and being upset about not having it is something that I wouldn't put too much emotion into because, very soon, these ships will only ever be seen for vanity exhibitions like the TOS Connie.
I dont think people want the Galaxy X because its an uber ship. They want it because they want to experience piloting it. If that can be done while keeping it in line with the latest tier even better. There is no need to neuter the Galaxy X because it is not the source of the actual issue. The promotion is. If Cryptic really listens the community then they will add another way to obtain it. If not they are putting another nail on this online coffin of theirs.
Personally I never liked the ship nor I have any intention of recruiting because I am here to play and meet new people. Not copensate for Cryptic's lack of selling points. If the game improves and gets a good reputation later (like LOTRO done) then it will need no incentives for people to join. Your population will always be proportional to the things you offer and they need to work on that alone. Gimmicks that tend to get the community splintered and dissapointed, defeat the purpose of being there in the first place.
I would like to counter with one thing:
<Stuff about T6 and upping level cap before year's end>
I'm not happy about the muddled messages that have been coming out about that, either. I was under the impression that after raising back to the initial cap we'd see broadening of options and increased backward-facing replay value rather than tacking on a new set of levels and another tier of ships to obsolete the ones people are mainly running around in now (and for added confusion, they're refits of older models).
It's a different issue, but still not one I'm happy about.
It's more like 50 repeating posters who are raging to their hearts content, but I digress.
Anywho I don't think Cryptic is going to change their mind about this one. It's too good a marketing strategy and that is one very tempting carrot at the end.
I see nothing tempting about the Galaxy-X I thought it was just goofy looking to see the Enterprise with three nacelles on the show. If Cryptic wants me to start recommending this game to people, then they need to finish it first. If they would do that then there would be no need to try and bribe the players into shilling the game for them.
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If the new subs that come in, exceed the quantity of those that actually quit (as opposed to those that threaten to quit, but never do). Then yes, the game is better off.
What's your problem? I just stated my opinion and you chew me out for being an "elitist" and having a "shill attitude"? I think you need to cool off; this is just a forum and a game, not a battleground. Find some people to recruit and "save" this game that's "going down in flames".
I'm not the one lighting the matches.
I assume you're taking the stance that says, "I don't like the fact that we're recruiting to a game, but if you're going to do it then there should be rewards"
If that's so then fair enough, to each their own.
How does a decision like making a ship, seen just one-time under special circumstances in the show, exclusive constitute a critical and undermining error?
Honestly, who is really going to quit over this? There will probably be four or five people who claim on the forums that they are quitting but they will just lay low with their accounts active and pop back up a few days later.
This will seriously blow over.
You forgot the option for "No, the Galaxy Abomination should not be made available, ever, to anyone, for any reason."
Again, show us in the details provided where Cryptic has asked you to "badger" anyone who is not willing to try the game? Quote it directly. I'd love to see it.
Show me where. That's not what I said at all. I said I have no problem trying to find 5 and had already contacted 3.
And it's ok for you to dictate that others willing to work for it shouldn't have it?
If I want the Galaxy X, this is what I must do.
If you have no problem finding 5, why have you only contacted 3?
Funny, I never said you shouldn't get it. I said it shouldn't be exclusive to you.
A shame you don't think the same of me. You do think I shouldn't get it.
Should there be an exclusive reward for the Referral program?
YES.
But it doesnt need to be the Galaxy-X. Just make it a variant that has an exclusive ability or appearance to whats in game already. Nothing more exclusive than the pre-order Tribble, TOS Constitution Class, etc, but EXCLUSIVE. Effort = Reward.
I pretty much agree with this, if my post wasn't already clear enough. There should be some exclusive ship, but I'd rather it be some cryptic original prestige ship. I'd still want it, I'd still try to get five people to obtain it, but it wouldn't feel like a poorly executed idea.
Lets see replace dedicated players who dont mind playing an ibcomplete game and have shown a willingness to put up with an incredible amount of nonsense from Cryptic. You think it evens out getting a newb who will have to go through the same trials of disgust and still in the end believe the games worth staying. Unlike the original player who is a known commodity.
Do ppl even bother thinking logically anymore. 1+1 doesnt always = 2 when yo account for variables. And noway are you gonna replace the rage quitters with new flash in the pants recruits. Nevermind exceed.
Because never getting new people in the game is going to widen the STO playbase, how?
I think it should remain exclusive. My reasons why:
- They want to encourage us to tell friends about STO by making this exclusive to the RAF program. This is called an incentive to tell your friends about STO.
- If the Galaxy ship was obtainable by other means in game, the reward for the RAF program would be useless.
- I do not like how Cryptic manages their business in a lot of respects, but this is their decision. No one DESERVES access to all exclusives. A reward is something earned for a specific task.... not earned by other tasks deemed acceptable by a player.
Sorry, that's just my perspective on it. Thanks to the OP for setting up the poll !
I'm 'meh' regarding the Refer-A-Friend thing. There definitely should be a reward for encouraging a friend to sub, let alone five. Maybe a free C-Store item or a previous bonus option (like a playable Borg or the TOS ship).
I'm not getting bent out of shape over the Galaxy X, though. I thought it looked slapdash, anyway. Gotta watch out for that huge third nacelle when you take the shuttle out for a spin. The spinal mount phaser was cool though. Model pics here.
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It's a reward for recruiting new players. You want it? Go recruit some players. Sheesh.
Sense of Entitlement FTL.
Again, well said sir.
Cryptic will add new T5 ships, Defiant, Galaxy, etc. The Galaxy X is for the referral program. Get people to sign up if you want it.
If you were Cryptic and behaved that way, you would have gone out of business a long time ago
Irony FTW
It was my understanding that vanity items were not supposed to have an impact on gameplay, however it seems like this ship will.
It does not use the word exclusive, which is used against the bridge officer.
Just my two pennies....
specifically if it gets the rumored cloak. Even the cannon is incredibly useful (its a high density rifle BTW)
I cant wait to see the lvl 51 ships and how to get them. Everything the devs have said has sounded really cool. The All Good Things Enterprise doesnt sound that cool and in my opinion was ugly beyond all current possible ugliness.
The cannon has a very narrow field of fire, I hope so because the Galaxy-X shown on All Good Things fired straight ahead with zero deflection like the Yamato gun in Starblazers. They are putting it on a cruiser which turns slow that is good but cruisers, especially cruisers piloted by engineers, turn faster now that turning has been moved to engines.
If it winds up like the Romulan ship from ST Nemesis and shooting the Yamato cannon is just as suicidal then I am fine with the 5 active account RAF. If on the other hand the Galaxy-X can line up shots and hit multiple targets with one shot kills with relative impunity STO will have problems.
You made promises Jack, sad thing is some of us have been loyal enough to remember them.
This has been Ray's Daily Show homage and now your moment of Rayality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10OM4kyAHb4
Sure! Why not an exclusive Galaxy-X skin? Oh wait, if not. Well, anything else that's not a unique set of gameplay-affecting powers.
Putting a widely wanted item in a pyramid scheme reward system feels tacky to me; period. It is my opinion that if you are going to put something in the refer program reward it should be something Cryptic created and not something I'd say a fair amount of us want to see obtainable in a different way. Either in the C-Store or through in game means.
From the looks of it though this really is a moot argument as it sounds like management isn't even going to consider rethinking this if what I read was right. If it sticks the only thing I can say is... it better not be a limited time offer program. And you ought to at least consider rewarding backend purchasers of the CEs that got buddy passes credit for referrals in my opinion as well. Not that I think this is going to get read though.
Vent on people. Agree with it or not it appears the selection is at least something the entire STO community is passionate about. Probably because it's brief appearance in AGTs did what Star Trek has always done... given us hope for the future. Oddly giving the Galaxy-X a certain sentimental value to all of us who love the IP. Best way I can articulate that as I know some of you don't care either way or, in fact, didn't like the design at all.
I would like to counter with one thing:
They're already planning to lift the level cap beyond 45 in S2 and beyond 50 after that, at which point they're planning to offer T6 Galaxy, Defiant and Intrepid refits.
The AGT Enterprise is a Tier 5 ship and, even with extra powers, will be obsolete in less than a year.
Worth considering. This is one reason that, while I'm not crazy about it, it doesn't bother me more. Because it has a fairly limited window of use/value.
They could keep this program going indefinitely if you want but it doesn't change the fact that this is a Tier 5 ship being offered in a game that is planning Tier 6 ships.
So offering it for an unlimited term is pretty meaningless and being upset about not having it is something that I wouldn't put too much emotion into because, very soon, these ships will only ever be seen for vanity exhibitions like the TOS Connie.
I dont think people want the Galaxy X because its an uber ship. They want it because they want to experience piloting it. If that can be done while keeping it in line with the latest tier even better. There is no need to neuter the Galaxy X because it is not the source of the actual issue. The promotion is. If Cryptic really listens the community then they will add another way to obtain it. If not they are putting another nail on this online coffin of theirs.
Personally I never liked the ship nor I have any intention of recruiting because I am here to play and meet new people. Not copensate for Cryptic's lack of selling points. If the game improves and gets a good reputation later (like LOTRO done) then it will need no incentives for people to join. Your population will always be proportional to the things you offer and they need to work on that alone. Gimmicks that tend to get the community splintered and dissapointed, defeat the purpose of being there in the first place.
I picked the wrong week to quit coffee :P
I'm not happy about the muddled messages that have been coming out about that, either. I was under the impression that after raising back to the initial cap we'd see broadening of options and increased backward-facing replay value rather than tacking on a new set of levels and another tier of ships to obsolete the ones people are mainly running around in now (and for added confusion, they're refits of older models).
It's a different issue, but still not one I'm happy about.
I see nothing tempting about the Galaxy-X I thought it was just goofy looking to see the Enterprise with three nacelles on the show. If Cryptic wants me to start recommending this game to people, then they need to finish it first. If they would do that then there would be no need to try and bribe the players into shilling the game for them.
Oh wait, we're supposed to be referring several other people so they can pay for it for us? Fat chance.