It took Blizzard 5 years and 11 million subs to pull that. I will let you do the math for here.... :rolleyes:
Blizzard's RAF rewards for WoW have always been 'exclusive' to the RAF program, with no other way to obtain the reward (for WoW, a mount, for STO a Shio). It keeps the reward semi-unique and lets you know that the 'owner' of that reward did the RAF thing to bring people in (or, to power level a second account, but even that counts as a new subscriber).
Fine, show me the in game method in WoW to obtain a flying mount capable of carrying a passenger. Go ahead, I'll wait.
That's a gimmick if I ever saw one. Really, how often are you going to carry someone else on your own mount?
Passenger mounts were almost standard in SWG and guess what? NOBODY USED THEM FOR THAT.
The Galaxy X on the other hand is not a gimmick. It has unique gameplay features for Feds, its a specific type of ship people have asked for since beta, it's supposed to be the first of a new generation of t5s.
It should NOT be exclusive.
And you sound like you're mad at Cryptic because you don't have any friends, so that those of us with friends are at some unfair advantage over you.
Oh you really had to go there just to show what kind of person you are, didn't you?
Because of course, knowing no people who are willing to spend their money to get me a special item means I have no friends.
Good god, I am done talking with you.
Oh good grief people this isn't that hard to figure out. The managment has already seen how people will buy the game multiple times just for some dinky little reward. There is an ongoing thread of players begging for stuff to be added to the C-store, no mention to just add it as a mattter of course. How is it even remotely suprising they would do this when given that kind of stimuli?
Nothing in this game is ever going to be free because when it was released people spent way too much money on the trivial stuff. The fact that the game no longer has that kind of following isn't going to penetrate their minds.
Am I saying there shouldn't be a referral program and rewards?
No. I'm saying the Galaxy X is simply too much, too unbalancing.
Again, "too much" is an opinion. I'm certain there are those out there who feel C-Store points for each is "too much" as well. And since no exact details have been provided on what the final ship will be... how is it "unbalancing"?
Before it was "3 people interested" and now it's "5 subscribers"?
Okay man, whatever you say.
Read the reply again. "I've no real problem at least trying to find 5 new subscribers." This does not say how many people I have already contacted about it. It says that I don't have a problem trying to find 5 others to try the game for a month.
Moreover, this isn't all about you.
Nor is it all about you.
I'm sure some people won't have trouble getting 5 subbers.
And they should be rewarded for their efforts. If they can do it, so can you.
I AM NOT ONE OF THEM. I LITERALLY KNOW NOBODY WHO'D BE INTERESTED IN GOING THAT FAR. Therefore I should miss out on a canon ship design and new gameplay element? Oh right I must be "lazy"/
You don't have any friends or family to ask. Everyone understands that. All of my gaming friends are already playing STO too.
There is also nothing stopping you, me or anyone else from coming up with a way to find 5 others whom we may not know already to try the game. Yes, you absolutely should miss out on something you want if you are unwilling to try to do what is required to get it. They've told you how to earn it. If you want it, go out and do it.
That's a gimmick if I ever saw one. Really, how often are you going to carry someone else on your own mount?
Passenger mounts were almost standard in SWG and guess what? NOBODY USED THEM FOR THAT.
The Galaxy X on the other hand is not a gimmick. It has unique gameplay features for Feds, its a specific type of ship people have asked for since beta, it's supposed to be the first of a new generation of t5s.
It should NOT be exclusive.
And the RAF rocket has unique gameplay elements that people have been asking for since flying mounts were introduced in WoW. While you may consider it a gimmick, others don't.. And I've seen lots of people using their passenger mounts to carry...wait for it... passengers.
Just because you don't like something, doesn't make it a gimmick.
There is also nothing stopping you, me or anyone else from coming up with a way to find 5 others whom we may not know already to try the game. Yes, you absolutely should miss out on something you want if you are unwilling to try to do what is required to get it. They've told you how to earn it. If you want it, go out and do it.
So, you think I should go up to complete strangers and sell them STO for Cryptic.
You know what? I give up. I hope you enjoy the hollow game full of multiple sub rich kids and bored one-month subscribers that result from this mess. I know I won't.
Frankly, it should be a semi-exclusive item. Exclusive in the RA5 program but earnable with a lot of hard work as well. Should not be easy to get. The point of the program is to get new players.....NOT give new items to players.
Blizzard's RAF rewards for WoW have always been 'exclusive' to the RAF program, with no other way to obtain the reward (for WoW, a mount, for STO a Shio). It keeps the reward semi-unique and lets you know that the 'owner' of that reward did the RAF thing to bring people in (or, to power level a second account, but even that counts as a new subscriber).
Before this it ONLY offered free time. I know because I recruited. 5 years later they do things like that because lets face it WOW is coming up to its last expansion. Other offers included mounts on board games and such which never really bothere anyone since the amountof items outside the game was minascule to non existent compared to the things you got for your sub.
I understand were you coming from but STO is light years away from that standard. Yet they keep provoking people time and again with heists like this one from day one. I know no company that has caused more outrage on its community than STO in 3 months. They can blame it on the community being too "excited" all they want. Its their fault entirely for making decisions that lead to this. I have no sympathy for supposedly professionals who claim to be right for the job. I am surprised CBS hasn't slapped them in the face with all the negative publicity they are generating.
Don't get me wrong though. The game is not without merit. But they PR decisions will most likely seal its fate.
That's a gimmick if I ever saw one. Really, how often are you going to carry someone else on your own mount?
Passenger mounts were almost standard in SWG and guess what? NOBODY USED THEM FOR THAT.
Just to interject here. My guild used them quite a bit. I know several others who did as well. Passenger mounts in SWG, that is.
So, you think I should go up to complete strangers and sell them STO for Cryptic.
I won't tell you what you should do one way or the other. It's up to you to decide if/how you want to go about getting the rewards for the RAF program.
I won't tell you what you should do one way or the other. It's up to you to decide if/how you want to go about getting the rewards for the RAF program.
Which part of impossible has trouble penetrating that wall of smugness you have going?
Again, I hope you enjoy the wasteland that results from this and Cryptic's future nickel and dime policies.
Which part of impossible has trouble penetrating that wall of smugness you have going?
Again, I hope you enjoy the wasteland that results from this and Cryptic's future nickel and dime policies.
And again, what part of just because you can't do it, doesn't mean others can, and should be rewarded for it? It is not Cryptic's fault, nor anyone else's here, that you are unable to refer 5 people to the game.
Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean it should be taken away from those who can.
And again, what part of just because you can't do it, doesn't mean others can, and should be rewarded for it? It is not Cryptic's fault, nor anyone else's here, that you are unable to refer 5 people to the game.
Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean it should be taken away from those who can.
I'm not taking anything away, I'm simply saying that an iconic ship and unique gameplay element should not be a part of that exclusivity.
Which part of impossible has trouble penetrating that wall of smugness you have going?
Insults, flaming and trolling doesn't change the fact that no part of the RAF program is "impossible" for you or anyone else. You have options available to you to get this ship if it is so important to you. Go out and do it.
What appears to be impossible is getting a select few willing to do something that takes effort to get something they want instead of whining. Others will earn this through the RAF program and they deserve to be rewarded with it. If you want to be among those people, do what you need to to earn it.
If Cryptic have any regard for their players at all, they will change their decision on this.
Listening to the players and holding them in regard is not the same as satisfying every whim they might conceive. When I browse the threads of players who want changes the listening/respect/future success of STO/doomed if you don't arguments are trotted out in one form or another. Listening means Cryptic receives and understand the feedback. Agreement is in no way guaranteed.
Insults, flaming and trolling doesn't change the fact that no part of the RAF program is "impossible" for you or anyone else. You have options available to you to get this ship if it is so important to you. Go out and do it.
I am not insulting, I am noting that you are patronizing me, and being smug.
We should not have to go to such lengths for this ship. Not *this* ship.
What appears to be impossible is getting a select few willing to do something that takes effort to get something they want instead of whining. Others will earn this through the RAF program and they deserve to be rewarded with it. If you want to be among those people, do what you need to to earn it.
And there you are patronizing me again. I can't get people to do something they don't want to do. Period. A lot of people can't. The fact that you can is good for you and only you.
And I very much doubt that you can, since you've changed your story at least twice.
The Galaxy X needs to be earned in game, not through this. You can have your holocrew, free c-points and other stuff. I don't care. But leave the ship out of it.
I'm not taking anything away, I'm simply saying that an iconic ship and unique gameplay element should not be a part of that exclusivity.
which translates into 'take it away from the people who can refer 5 friends'.
It's a ship from another timeline, it should not be everywhere, limiting it via RAF is a win-win solution. Cryptic gets more subscribers, and the people who refer people get a 'rare' ship as their reward.
which translates into 'take it away from the people who can refer 5 friends'.
No, because they still get the other rewards, and if it's obtainable in-game they can get it too.
It's a ship from another timeline, it should not be everywhere, limiting it via RAF is a win-win solution. Cryptic gets more subscribers, and the people who refer people get a 'rare' ship as their reward.
OH you mean like Liberated Borgs and Joined Trills are supposed to be rare and yet they're all over the place?
It's a game. Who cares if everybody has it if they've earned it in-game.
The people who've *sold* the game to 5 people deserve rewards, and they'll get them, but the ship is too much. It HAS angered many people and we will NOT stand for it.
If you can smugly sit there and take it, fine. When this game becomes a complete ghost town, don't say we didn't warn you.
Which part of impossible has trouble penetrating that wall of smugness you have going?
That's flaming/trolling/insulting.
I can't get people to do something they don't want to do. Period.
Who is asking you to? Show us in the RAF information provided so far where Cryptic has encouraged you to go out and force people into playing STO if they don't want to. Can you make the effort to try and find 5 people who might be interested and might be willing to help? Absolutely you can.
A lot of people can't. The fact that you can is good for you and only you.
A lot of people can and will be able to find 5 recruits and they should be rewarded for doing so. Cryptic has decided the Galaxy X will be that reward, along with C-Store points and some other in-game perks.
And I very much doubt that you can, since you've changed your story at least twice.
Show me where I've "changed my story". I said I had already contacted 3 people about it, then went on to say I have no problem at least trying to find 5 people to buy the game and subscribe for a month. Those 3 people I mentioned it to are part of the overall effort of finding 5 new recruits.
The Galaxy X needs to be earned in game, not through this. You can have your holocrew, free c-points and other stuff. I don't care. But leave the ship out of it.
And anyone who is willing to put forth the effort to recruit 5 new subscribers has every right to say "The Galaxy X SHOULD NOT be earned in game because we put forth the required effort to get it. Those who didn't should not be able to get it."
No, because they still get the other rewards, and if it's obtainable in-game they can get it too.
OH you mean like Liberated Borgs and Joined Trills are supposed to be rare and yet they're all over the place?
It's a game. Who cares if everybody has it if they've earned it in-game.
The people who've *sold* the game to 5 people deserve rewards, and they'll get them, but the ship is too much. It HAS angered many people and we will NOT stand for it.
If you can smugly sit there and take it, fine. When this game becomes a complete ghost town, don't say we didn't warn you.
I will stand for it, and I'll cheer if it'll make you feel better, I think the Galaxy X is a good reward for RAF, it's wanted, which will encourage some people who might otherwise be on the fence about using the RAF and making sure the referred person's account is 'linked' to the referee's account, to do so.
I agree, it should remain exclusive. This ship should not be available to just anyone with cash to blow ingame. It was never an official ship-- it was a "what-if" ship of an Alternate timeline, not to mention it was one of a kind! Admiral Riker had to pull strings to get it refitted, as he mentioned in the episode.. "One of the perks of being an Admiral".
If you guys want it that bad, then Recruit some people and inject some fresh blood into the game. I know I'm definitely going to try and recruit a bunch of people so I can get the rewards.
Who is asking you to? Show us in the RAF information provided so far where Cryptic has encouraged you to go out and force people into playing STO if they don't want to. Can you make the effort to try and find 5 people who might be interested and might be willing to help? Absolutely you can.
No, I can't. A lot of people can't. I has nothing to do with effort. I cannot badger people into paying money for a service they don't want.
A lot of people can and will be able to find 5 recruits and they should be rewarded for doing so. Cryptic has decided the Galaxy X will be that reward, along with C-Store points and some other in-game perks.
And Cryptic are wrong to do this. The end.
Show me where I've "changed my story". I said I had already contacted 3 people about it, then went on to say I have no problem at least trying to find 5 people to buy the game and subscribe for a month. Those 3 people I mentioned it to are part of the overall effort of finding 5 new recruits.
You implied you already had 5 subscribers when by your own admission you don't even have 3.
And anyone who is willing to put forth the effort to recruit 5 new subscribers has every right to say "The Galaxy X SHOULD NOT be earned in game because we put forth the required effort to get it. Those who didn't should not be able to get it."
Nice elitist attitude, that's what we need to encourage!
Thereby defeating the entire purpose of the RAF program. The Galaxy X is the big carrott on the end of the stick. If you want it, go out and earn it.
How dare you sit there and dictate to me how I should earn an item I've requested since beta.
OH you mean like Liberated Borgs and Joined Trills are supposed to be rare and yet they're all over the place?
It's a game. Who cares if everybody has it if they've earned it in-game.
The people who've *sold* the game to 5 people deserve rewards, and they'll get them, but the ship is too much. It HAS angered many people and we will NOT stand for it.
If you can smugly sit there and take it, fine. When this game becomes a complete ghost town, don't say we didn't warn you.
You're contradicting yourself, in other threads you say that you object to Cryptic's RAF plan on the basis of selling the game to other people under what you see as false pretense; and yet here you say that they should be rewarded.
It really comes down to the fact that this game is not what you originally wanted in a Star Trek MMO, and you almost sound like you're not willing to wait for it to improve. A favored ship being offered at the end of a difficult road is only the latest thing that you don't like.
If only a few people recruit enough other to get this then the program will have succeeded and STO will be better off for it, so yeah I'm fine with it. People will/are complaining about it, but at the end of the day if they like the game in general or like what's coming, then they're going to stick around.
I agree, it should remain exclusive. This ship should not be available to just anyone with cash to blow ingame. It was never an official ship-- it was a "what-if" ship of an Alternate timeline, not to mention it was one of a kind! Admiral Riker had to pull strings to get it refitted, as he mentioned in the episode.. "One of the perks of being an Admiral".
If you guys want it that bad, then Recruit some people and inject some fresh blood into the game. I know I'm definitely going to try and recruit a bunch of people so I can get the rewards.
Thank you for fostering an elitist, shill attitude when we should be fighting against it so Cryptic keep their promise about all gameplay affecting items being available in-game.
Seriously, people like you are why this game is going down in flames.
You're contradicting yourself, in other threads you say that you object to Cryptic's RAF plan on the basis of selling the game to other people; and yet here you say that they should be rewarded.
I object to it on principle, but it's inevitable such a system will rear it's ugly head and it will logically have rewards.
It really comes down to the fact that this game is not what you originally wanted in a Star Trek MMO, and you almost sound like you're not willing to wait for it to improve. A favored ship being offered at the end of a difficult road is only the latest thing that you don't like.
How the hell is it going to improve if Cryptic keep making decisions that critically undermine it?
If only a few people recruit enough other to get this then the program will have succeeded and STO will be better off for it, so yeah I'm fine with it. People will/are complaining about it, but at the end of the day if they like the game in general or like what's coming, then they're going to stick around.
Better off? A few new subs for a while vs. people who were willing to tough it out leaving over this?
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Blizzard's RAF rewards for WoW have always been 'exclusive' to the RAF program, with no other way to obtain the reward (for WoW, a mount, for STO a Shio). It keeps the reward semi-unique and lets you know that the 'owner' of that reward did the RAF thing to bring people in (or, to power level a second account, but even that counts as a new subscriber).
That's a gimmick if I ever saw one. Really, how often are you going to carry someone else on your own mount?
Passenger mounts were almost standard in SWG and guess what? NOBODY USED THEM FOR THAT.
The Galaxy X on the other hand is not a gimmick. It has unique gameplay features for Feds, its a specific type of ship people have asked for since beta, it's supposed to be the first of a new generation of t5s.
It should NOT be exclusive.
Oh you really had to go there just to show what kind of person you are, didn't you?
Because of course, knowing no people who are willing to spend their money to get me a special item means I have no friends.
Good god, I am done talking with you.
Nothing in this game is ever going to be free because when it was released people spent way too much money on the trivial stuff. The fact that the game no longer has that kind of following isn't going to penetrate their minds.
Again, "too much" is an opinion. I'm certain there are those out there who feel C-Store points for each is "too much" as well. And since no exact details have been provided on what the final ship will be... how is it "unbalancing"?
Read the reply again. "I've no real problem at least trying to find 5 new subscribers." This does not say how many people I have already contacted about it. It says that I don't have a problem trying to find 5 others to try the game for a month.
Nor is it all about you.
And they should be rewarded for their efforts. If they can do it, so can you.
You don't have any friends or family to ask. Everyone understands that. All of my gaming friends are already playing STO too.
There is also nothing stopping you, me or anyone else from coming up with a way to find 5 others whom we may not know already to try the game. Yes, you absolutely should miss out on something you want if you are unwilling to try to do what is required to get it. They've told you how to earn it. If you want it, go out and do it.
And the RAF rocket has unique gameplay elements that people have been asking for since flying mounts were introduced in WoW. While you may consider it a gimmick, others don't.. And I've seen lots of people using their passenger mounts to carry...wait for it... passengers.
Just because you don't like something, doesn't make it a gimmick.
So, you think I should go up to complete strangers and sell them STO for Cryptic.
You know what? I give up. I hope you enjoy the hollow game full of multiple sub rich kids and bored one-month subscribers that result from this mess. I know I won't.
Before this it ONLY offered free time. I know because I recruited. 5 years later they do things like that because lets face it WOW is coming up to its last expansion. Other offers included mounts on board games and such which never really bothere anyone since the amountof items outside the game was minascule to non existent compared to the things you got for your sub.
I understand were you coming from but STO is light years away from that standard. Yet they keep provoking people time and again with heists like this one from day one. I know no company that has caused more outrage on its community than STO in 3 months. They can blame it on the community being too "excited" all they want. Its their fault entirely for making decisions that lead to this. I have no sympathy for supposedly professionals who claim to be right for the job. I am surprised CBS hasn't slapped them in the face with all the negative publicity they are generating.
Don't get me wrong though. The game is not without merit. But they PR decisions will most likely seal its fate.
Just to interject here. My guild used them quite a bit. I know several others who did as well. Passenger mounts in SWG, that is.
I won't tell you what you should do one way or the other. It's up to you to decide if/how you want to go about getting the rewards for the RAF program.
Which part of impossible has trouble penetrating that wall of smugness you have going?
Again, I hope you enjoy the wasteland that results from this and Cryptic's future nickel and dime policies.
And again, what part of just because you can't do it, doesn't mean others can, and should be rewarded for it? It is not Cryptic's fault, nor anyone else's here, that you are unable to refer 5 people to the game.
Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean it should be taken away from those who can.
I'm not taking anything away, I'm simply saying that an iconic ship and unique gameplay element should not be a part of that exclusivity.
Insults, flaming and trolling doesn't change the fact that no part of the RAF program is "impossible" for you or anyone else. You have options available to you to get this ship if it is so important to you. Go out and do it.
What appears to be impossible is getting a select few willing to do something that takes effort to get something they want instead of whining. Others will earn this through the RAF program and they deserve to be rewarded with it. If you want to be among those people, do what you need to to earn it.
Listening to the players and holding them in regard is not the same as satisfying every whim they might conceive. When I browse the threads of players who want changes the listening/respect/future success of STO/doomed if you don't arguments are trotted out in one form or another. Listening means Cryptic receives and understand the feedback. Agreement is in no way guaranteed.
I am not insulting, I am noting that you are patronizing me, and being smug.
We should not have to go to such lengths for this ship. Not *this* ship.
And there you are patronizing me again. I can't get people to do something they don't want to do. Period. A lot of people can't. The fact that you can is good for you and only you.
And I very much doubt that you can, since you've changed your story at least twice.
The Galaxy X needs to be earned in game, not through this. You can have your holocrew, free c-points and other stuff. I don't care. But leave the ship out of it.
which translates into 'take it away from the people who can refer 5 friends'.
It's a ship from another timeline, it should not be everywhere, limiting it via RAF is a win-win solution. Cryptic gets more subscribers, and the people who refer people get a 'rare' ship as their reward.
No, because they still get the other rewards, and if it's obtainable in-game they can get it too.
OH you mean like Liberated Borgs and Joined Trills are supposed to be rare and yet they're all over the place?
It's a game. Who cares if everybody has it if they've earned it in-game.
The people who've *sold* the game to 5 people deserve rewards, and they'll get them, but the ship is too much. It HAS angered many people and we will NOT stand for it.
If you can smugly sit there and take it, fine. When this game becomes a complete ghost town, don't say we didn't warn you.
That's flaming/trolling/insulting.
Who is asking you to? Show us in the RAF information provided so far where Cryptic has encouraged you to go out and force people into playing STO if they don't want to. Can you make the effort to try and find 5 people who might be interested and might be willing to help? Absolutely you can.
A lot of people can and will be able to find 5 recruits and they should be rewarded for doing so. Cryptic has decided the Galaxy X will be that reward, along with C-Store points and some other in-game perks.
Show me where I've "changed my story". I said I had already contacted 3 people about it, then went on to say I have no problem at least trying to find 5 people to buy the game and subscribe for a month. Those 3 people I mentioned it to are part of the overall effort of finding 5 new recruits.
And anyone who is willing to put forth the effort to recruit 5 new subscribers has every right to say "The Galaxy X SHOULD NOT be earned in game because we put forth the required effort to get it. Those who didn't should not be able to get it."
Thereby defeating the entire purpose of the RAF program. The Galaxy X is the big carrott on the end of the stick. If you want it, go out and earn it.
I will stand for it, and I'll cheer if it'll make you feel better, I think the Galaxy X is a good reward for RAF, it's wanted, which will encourage some people who might otherwise be on the fence about using the RAF and making sure the referred person's account is 'linked' to the referee's account, to do so.
If you guys want it that bad, then Recruit some people and inject some fresh blood into the game. I know I'm definitely going to try and recruit a bunch of people so I can get the rewards.
QFT
Just because it's cool, in the game (in the sense that it exists), and you want it, doesn't mean you get it.
No, that's pointing out that you are smug.
No, I can't. A lot of people can't. I has nothing to do with effort. I cannot badger people into paying money for a service they don't want.
And Cryptic are wrong to do this. The end.
You implied you already had 5 subscribers when by your own admission you don't even have 3.
Nice elitist attitude, that's what we need to encourage!
How dare you sit there and dictate to me how I should earn an item I've requested since beta.
You're contradicting yourself, in other threads you say that you object to Cryptic's RAF plan on the basis of selling the game to other people under what you see as false pretense; and yet here you say that they should be rewarded.
It really comes down to the fact that this game is not what you originally wanted in a Star Trek MMO, and you almost sound like you're not willing to wait for it to improve. A favored ship being offered at the end of a difficult road is only the latest thing that you don't like.
If only a few people recruit enough other to get this then the program will have succeeded and STO will be better off for it, so yeah I'm fine with it. People will/are complaining about it, but at the end of the day if they like the game in general or like what's coming, then they're going to stick around.
Thank you for fostering an elitist, shill attitude when we should be fighting against it so Cryptic keep their promise about all gameplay affecting items being available in-game.
Seriously, people like you are why this game is going down in flames.
I object to it on principle, but it's inevitable such a system will rear it's ugly head and it will logically have rewards.
How the hell is it going to improve if Cryptic keep making decisions that critically undermine it?
Better off? A few new subs for a while vs. people who were willing to tough it out leaving over this?
No, Cryptic are right to do this. The End.