this game is good, if its so bad why the hell are you playing it?
I will say that I don't understand the "thid food is terrible and the portions are so small" style complaints from people who are upset about the ship and against recruitment.
My sympathies are with people who are enthusiastic about the game and feel that they can't recruit 5 players. (Honestly, I might be able to but I'd be fighting over who gets credit for which recruit from existing friends who play.)
I'd be a lot happier with this if there were alternate ways of promoting the game to get this or if someone who recruits one person could get this for 2000 Cryptic Points or something like that. It would still be restricted to recruiters/promoters of the game (if you aren't interested in seeing the game grow, why do you care what ship you can get?) but my biggest issue is with the numbers, followed by the potentially unique functionality.
Yes, it should remain an exclusive to this program. The overall goal of the RAF is to bring in new subscribers. Adding this ship to the C-Store or unlockable in-game by some means will not accomplish that. Fairly simple to understand that much. Do the work and get the ship.
Yes, it should remain an exclusive to this program. The overall goal of the RAF is to bring in new subscribers. Adding this ship to the C-Store or unlockable in-game by some means will not accomplish that. Fairly simple to understand that much. Do the work and get the ship.
This is a statement born of such flippant ignorance of the situation that I'm not even going to bother to respond.
It irritates me that some people really think like this. Then again some people still believe in the Tooth Fairy.
Those of us who are oldtimers have already done a lot of friend-referrals for free for the company. So we're at quite a disadvantage here. If we want to go refer folk, we have to make a job out of it, which isn't all that fun. I'd like to leave the sales to them for the game, and in my real life. That being said, why not just give us an alternate method to acquire it via cash shop? I realize that they won't net the same money overall but like I said, it really leaves us at a disadvantage.
This is a statement born of such flippant ignorance of the situation that I'm not even going to bother to respond.
It irritates me that some people really think like this. Then again some people still believe in the Tooth Fairy.
How is my opinion on the matter ignorant? The OP asked others to vote and provide their thoughts on the matter.
Please explain how dumping the ship you want into the C-Store or making it unlockable in-game equating to recruiting more subscribers? That is the intended goal of the RAF program. That is the point you are all missing and/or ignoring because you don't want to make the effort to get it.
Whine, cry and stomp your feet all you like, the ship is tied to the RAF program. Do the work to invite 5 new subscribers and you'll have it.
This is a statement born of such flippant ignorance of the situation that I'm not even going to bother to respond.
It irritates me that some people really think like this. Then again some people still believe in the Tooth Fairy.
Comon man, it is someone elses view on the marketability of said product to get people to refer. Sure, disagree with it, but seriously gets you angry? He's not advocating against morals, taboos or the importance of life...
He's giving his opinion that he thinks that it is a nice move that the Galaxy-X is a bonus item for getting people to join the game.
Disagree if you'd like, but no need to get nasty about it.
I responded to mock the statement, not to seriously respond to the "argument", such as it is.
You really need to get up to date with internet debate methods.
Comon man, it is someone elses view on the marketability of said product to get people to refer. Sure, disagree with it, but seriously gets you angry? He's not advocating against morals, taboos or the importance of life...
He's giving his opinion that he thinks that it is a nice move that the Galaxy-X is a bonus item for getting people to join the game.
Disagree if you'd like, but no need to get nasty about it.
The "do the work and get the ship" part is what bothers me, since it means he either has no idea what the work entails, or genuinely thinks that doing marketing's job for them 5 times (again, this isn't referral, it requires a retail purchase and a 1 month sub, that's MARKETING) is a good idea.
Either way he loses any and all respectability.
I responded to mock the statement, not to seriously respond to the "argument", such as it is.
You really need to get up to date with internet debate methods.
I am well versed in internet debate methods I was simply trying to tell a joke. Focus your anger at Cryptic instead of lashing out at everyone who has a different opinion than yours.
The "do the work and get the ship" part is what bothers me, since it means he either has no idea what the work entails, or genuinely thinks that doing marketing's job for them 5 times (again, this isn't referral, it requires a retail purchase and a 1 month sub, that's MARKETING) is a good idea.
Either way he loses any and all respectability.
Him or Cryptic? You're really starting to make this way to personal.
I am well versed in internet debate methods I was simply trying to tell a joke. Focus your anger at Cryptic instead of lashing out at everyone who has a different opinion than yours.
The problem here is telling Cryptic what they want to hear is a very dangerous thing to do at this point.
If "management are aware" we need to be united against this kind of cynical shilling, and people posting just to be contrary or to support Cryptic no matter what are not helping.
The problem here is telling Cryptic what they want to hear is a very dangerous thing to do at this point.
If "management are aware" we need to be united against this kind of cynical shilling, and people posting just to be contrary or to support Cryptic no matter what are not helping.
Unfortunately that is their right. Trampling upon that right is something that no one has the moral right to do.
The "do the work and get the ship" part is what bothers me, since it means he either has no idea what the work entails, or genuinely thinks that doing marketing's job for them 5 times (again, this isn't referral, it requires a retail purchase and a 1 month sub, that's MARKETING) is a good idea.
Either way he loses any and all respectability.
I know exactly what that entails.
"Do the work" is you go out and find 5 other people who would be interested in playing STO and becoming a subscriber to the game. Those 5 people will need to purchase a retail copy of the game in addition to paying at least 1 months worth of subscription fees.
Word of mouth can be a very effective means of promoting a product. Most every business out there uses it and has promotions that involve their customers helping to "spread the word".
Laziness and an unwillingness to do what is required to get something you want is not a justifiable excuse. If you want it, earn it. They have told you how, you just need to put forth the effort.
"Do the work" is you go out and find 5 other people who would be interested in playing STO and becoming a subscriber to the game. Those 5 people will need to purchase a retail copy of the game in addition to paying at least 1 months worth of subscription fees.
Word of mouth can be a very effective means of promoting a product. Most every business out there uses it and has promotions that involve their customers helping to "spread the word".
Laziness and an unwillingness to do what is required to get something you want is not a justifiable excuse. If you want it, earn it. They have told you how, you just need to put forth the effort.
You're unbelievable. Laziness? I'd have a hard time getting 5 people to look at STO, let alone buy the game and subscribe for one month!
What do you expect people like me to do? Go door to door advertising the game? What? That's not word of mouth, that's being a salesman!
And what about people who already got friends to play STO? I guess they're lazy too right?
A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, without any product or service being delivered.
Since STO itself is the product/service being delivered, how is this a "pyramid scheme"? Anyone joining via the RAF program will be able to access and play the game.
The point that Lt. Expenable is making (and I agree with to a point) is that you are saying that you should do actual work to get the most prized ship in the game.
Effectively, you are paid $4 per person (400 cryptic points) for every person you actively recruit. Once you make $20 they will give you a unique ship to command as well.
Here is the problem: you are making $4 per person, but you are still paying them $15 every month for bug fixes, new content, ships, weapons etc.
So basically what Expendable finds appalling (and I now do myself after thinking about it) is that we have to pay them money each month and recruit people in order to get access to the most advanced ship/content in the game. This isn't through the C-store for $5. It is not through our monthly fee and a rare reward for finishing a STF...it's through a referal program....the most advanced ship/content in the game....let that sink in.
P.S. Lt. Expendable: correct me if my interpretation of this basis is incorrect...after reading your previous posts this is the summary I came up with based on that. After creating the summary though I find that I have changed my position on this RAF matter....I should be payed much more for my out of game time.
Not to this degree, and not with such a high stakes item.
It's also a terrible standard.
Unfortunately, as President JFK and so many others have put it, life is not fair. The standard is what the standard is. And you know who made it the standard? It wasn't WoW, or Eve, or SWG or any of the companies that run those games. It was the customers who went along with it who made the practice the standard that it is in the industry today.
"Do the work" is you go out and find 5 other people who would be interested in playing STO and becoming a subscriber to the game. Those 5 people will need to purchase a retail copy of the game in addition to paying at least 1 months worth of subscription fees.
Word of mouth can be a very effective means of promoting a product. Most every business out there uses it and has promotions that involve their customers helping to "spread the word".
Laziness and an unwillingness to do what is required to get something you want is not a justifiable excuse. If you want it, earn it. They have told you how, you just need to put forth the effort.
if you dont have five friends who like mmo's or star trek, then you cant. nothing to do with being lazy its just impossible to complete
if you do have friends but have already recommended them then they no longer count towards your five.
if you do recommend five people but all five chose not to sub then again you cant do anything about it
its not a case of effort, its a case of practicality
Unfortunately, as President JFK and so many others have put it, life is not fair. The standard is what the standard is. And you know who made it the standard? It wasn't WoW, or Eve, or SWG or any of the companies that run those games. It was the customers who went along with it who made the practice the standard that it is in the industry today.
You may have a point. However I played WoW before this referral nonsense came up.
Here, now, in STO, I and many many others say clearly: We will not stand for it.
"Do the work" is you go out and find 5 other people who would be interested in playing STO and becoming a subscriber to the game. Those 5 people will need to purchase a retail copy of the game in addition to paying at least 1 months worth of subscription fees.
Word of mouth can be a very effective means of promoting a product. Most every business out there uses it and has promotions that involve their customers helping to "spread the word".
Laziness and an unwillingness to do what is required to get something you want is not a justifiable excuse. If you want it, earn it. They have told you how, you just need to put forth the effort.
On the flip side, good word of mouth has to be worked for and earned.
As it is, neither Cryptic or this game has positive word of mouth right now. Because neither have earned it. This game is NOT anywhere close to the standards of a post-release AAA, A, or even "Solid B+" MMO title. Over half the game is missing. True, they plan to add what is missing, but it's going to take at least the rest of this year.
To have to resort to such a cynical marketing gimmick with an exclusive alpha class ship as an inducement speaks volumes about the character (as in lack thereof) of the management at Cryptic. It screams "Our CEO used to work for John Smedley at SOE" (which is actually true).
The NGE proved that marketing, packaging, and spin cannot overcome genuine negative word of mouth.
Unfortunately, as President JFK and so many others have put it, life is not fair. The standard is what the standard is. And you know who made it the standard? It wasn't WoW, or Eve, or SWG or any of the companies that run those games. It was the customers who went along with it who made the practice the standard that it is in the industry today.
The industry today?
Micro-transactions of this level are actually rather experimental in the U.S. for fee-based MMO's. I would actually venture to say that the profitability of STO will determine the viability of said market strategy. "Going where no business has gone before" if you will.
Well in the stages of grief I have achieved the bargaining stage. As long as the admiral 5.5 ships are as capable in a slugfest with a Galaxy-X then I am OK with it. If on the other hand the Galaxy-X is OP vs the 5.5 ships then the Galaxy-X should be made available through at least one other channel other than the recruit a friend path.
You're unbelievable. Laziness? I'd have a hard time getting 5 people to look at STO, let alone buy the game and subscribe for one month!
Ok, so? How is this Cryptic's fault?
What do you expect people like me to do? Go door to door advertising the game? What? That's not word of mouth, that's being a salesman!
I won't tell you what you should do at all. You are the one who needs to come up with a way to get what you want.
In a way, yes it is being a salesman. That's why you'd be rewarded with C-Store points and the Galaxy X class ship! Your effort would be rewarded. What part of that do you not understand?
And what about people who already got friends to play STO? I guess they're lazy too right?
On this part, I agree with you 100%. Personally, I believe this should apply to those who have already invited other via trial keys and refer a buddy program. It seems as if that won't be the case and I do find that unfair, but that's life for you.
You may have a point. However I played WoW before this referral nonsense came up.
Here, now, in STO, I and many many others say clearly: We will not stand for it.
But it eventually did come up, and it became the standard because of those who supported it by going out and getting friends, or creating extra accounts that fall under these types of programs.
You and many others may not like it, and may not even stand for it, and I wish you luck in trying to change this decision. However I have a feeling that this programs is going to be a huge success and I would be very surprised if any change comes out of it.
As it is, neither Cryptic or this game has positive word of mouth right now. Because neither have earned it. This game is NOT anywhere close to the standards of a post-release AAA, A, or even "Solid B+" MMO title.
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I will say that I don't understand the "thid food is terrible and the portions are so small" style complaints from people who are upset about the ship and against recruitment.
My sympathies are with people who are enthusiastic about the game and feel that they can't recruit 5 players. (Honestly, I might be able to but I'd be fighting over who gets credit for which recruit from existing friends who play.)
I'd be a lot happier with this if there were alternate ways of promoting the game to get this or if someone who recruits one person could get this for 2000 Cryptic Points or something like that. It would still be restricted to recruiters/promoters of the game (if you aren't interested in seeing the game grow, why do you care what ship you can get?) but my biggest issue is with the numbers, followed by the potentially unique functionality.
This is a statement born of such flippant ignorance of the situation that I'm not even going to bother to respond.
It irritates me that some people really think like this. Then again some people still believe in the Tooth Fairy.
How is my opinion on the matter ignorant? The OP asked others to vote and provide their thoughts on the matter.
Please explain how dumping the ship you want into the C-Store or making it unlockable in-game equating to recruiting more subscribers? That is the intended goal of the RAF program. That is the point you are all missing and/or ignoring because you don't want to make the effort to get it.
Whine, cry and stomp your feet all you like, the ship is tied to the RAF program. Do the work to invite 5 new subscribers and you'll have it.
Comon man, it is someone elses view on the marketability of said product to get people to refer. Sure, disagree with it, but seriously gets you angry? He's not advocating against morals, taboos or the importance of life...
He's giving his opinion that he thinks that it is a nice move that the Galaxy-X is a bonus item for getting people to join the game.
Disagree if you'd like, but no need to get nasty about it.
I responded to mock the statement, not to seriously respond to the "argument", such as it is.
You really need to get up to date with internet debate methods.
The "do the work and get the ship" part is what bothers me, since it means he either has no idea what the work entails, or genuinely thinks that doing marketing's job for them 5 times (again, this isn't referral, it requires a retail purchase and a 1 month sub, that's MARKETING) is a good idea.
Either way he loses any and all respectability.
I am well versed in internet debate methods I was simply trying to tell a joke. Focus your anger at Cryptic instead of lashing out at everyone who has a different opinion than yours.
Him or Cryptic? You're really starting to make this way to personal.
The problem here is telling Cryptic what they want to hear is a very dangerous thing to do at this point.
If "management are aware" we need to be united against this kind of cynical shilling, and people posting just to be contrary or to support Cryptic no matter what are not helping.
My point is there's no way ANYONE in good conscience can think this is a good idea.
Pyramid schemes are a detestable form of business in any medium.
And yet it is an MMO industry standard.
I have no right to silence them, no.
I do have a right to yell at them, though.
Not to this degree, and not with such a high stakes item.
It's also a terrible standard.
I know exactly what that entails.
"Do the work" is you go out and find 5 other people who would be interested in playing STO and becoming a subscriber to the game. Those 5 people will need to purchase a retail copy of the game in addition to paying at least 1 months worth of subscription fees.
Word of mouth can be a very effective means of promoting a product. Most every business out there uses it and has promotions that involve their customers helping to "spread the word".
Laziness and an unwillingness to do what is required to get something you want is not a justifiable excuse. If you want it, earn it. They have told you how, you just need to put forth the effort.
You're unbelievable. Laziness? I'd have a hard time getting 5 people to look at STO, let alone buy the game and subscribe for one month!
What do you expect people like me to do? Go door to door advertising the game? What? That's not word of mouth, that's being a salesman!
And what about people who already got friends to play STO? I guess they're lazy too right?
You've totally no idea what you're talking about.
Pyramid Scheme;
Since STO itself is the product/service being delivered, how is this a "pyramid scheme"? Anyone joining via the RAF program will be able to access and play the game.
Effectively, you are paid $4 per person (400 cryptic points) for every person you actively recruit. Once you make $20 they will give you a unique ship to command as well.
Here is the problem: you are making $4 per person, but you are still paying them $15 every month for bug fixes, new content, ships, weapons etc.
So basically what Expendable finds appalling (and I now do myself after thinking about it) is that we have to pay them money each month and recruit people in order to get access to the most advanced ship/content in the game. This isn't through the C-store for $5. It is not through our monthly fee and a rare reward for finishing a STF...it's through a referal program....the most advanced ship/content in the game....let that sink in.
P.S. Lt. Expendable: correct me if my interpretation of this basis is incorrect...after reading your previous posts this is the summary I came up with based on that. After creating the summary though I find that I have changed my position on this RAF matter....I should be payed much more for my out of game time.
Thank you.
No argument from me there.
Unfortunately, as President JFK and so many others have put it, life is not fair. The standard is what the standard is. And you know who made it the standard? It wasn't WoW, or Eve, or SWG or any of the companies that run those games. It was the customers who went along with it who made the practice the standard that it is in the industry today.
if you dont have five friends who like mmo's or star trek, then you cant. nothing to do with being lazy its just impossible to complete
if you do have friends but have already recommended them then they no longer count towards your five.
if you do recommend five people but all five chose not to sub then again you cant do anything about it
its not a case of effort, its a case of practicality
You may have a point. However I played WoW before this referral nonsense came up.
Here, now, in STO, I and many many others say clearly: We will not stand for it.
On the flip side, good word of mouth has to be worked for and earned.
As it is, neither Cryptic or this game has positive word of mouth right now. Because neither have earned it. This game is NOT anywhere close to the standards of a post-release AAA, A, or even "Solid B+" MMO title. Over half the game is missing. True, they plan to add what is missing, but it's going to take at least the rest of this year.
To have to resort to such a cynical marketing gimmick with an exclusive alpha class ship as an inducement speaks volumes about the character (as in lack thereof) of the management at Cryptic. It screams "Our CEO used to work for John Smedley at SOE" (which is actually true).
The NGE proved that marketing, packaging, and spin cannot overcome genuine negative word of mouth.
Hopefully the devs can see this Thread/POLL and think twice of what the consumer wants..
The industry today?
Micro-transactions of this level are actually rather experimental in the U.S. for fee-based MMO's. I would actually venture to say that the profitability of STO will determine the viability of said market strategy. "Going where no business has gone before" if you will.
Ok, so? How is this Cryptic's fault?
I won't tell you what you should do at all. You are the one who needs to come up with a way to get what you want.
In a way, yes it is being a salesman. That's why you'd be rewarded with C-Store points and the Galaxy X class ship! Your effort would be rewarded. What part of that do you not understand?
On this part, I agree with you 100%. Personally, I believe this should apply to those who have already invited other via trial keys and refer a buddy program. It seems as if that won't be the case and I do find that unfair, but that's life for you.
But it eventually did come up, and it became the standard because of those who supported it by going out and getting friends, or creating extra accounts that fall under these types of programs.
You and many others may not like it, and may not even stand for it, and I wish you luck in trying to change this decision. However I have a feeling that this programs is going to be a huge success and I would be very surprised if any change comes out of it.
In your opinion.