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I also noticed something with the Discovery Connie. No mention of the Advanced Phasers. So the current Promo one in game still has plenty of value.
As for the alt model... a bit of a surprise honestly. I was expecting the Terran retrofit that we saw happen to USS Defiant. Makes me wonder if they kept that for future use down the road...
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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I also noticed something with the Discovery Connie. No mention of the Advanced Phasers. So the current Promo one in game still has plenty of value.
As for the alt model... a bit of a surprise honestly. I was expecting the Terran retrofit that we saw happen to USS Defiant. Makes me wonder if they kept that for future use down the road...
Gotta give people some reason to spend lots of money on R&D boxes
Not surprising though...
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To be fair, they never mentioned anything about special weapons, like the Wide Angle Quantum. (The Defiant's Quad Canon doesn't count as it is part of a set). So its absence in the write-ups is not a definitive indication. Look at the Galor in the Vanguard Pack. It dropped Spiral Wave Disruptors that also provided the Dilitium Store Unlock.
Without them you wouldn't be able to Unlock the Advanced Phasers in the Dilithium Store. It would be more effort to remove them than leave them. Besides, they had already been 'adjusted' in a Patch months ago.
Besides which, the Scaling write-up for these ships was stunted (only a statement in the Consoles) rather than their usual throughout the Stats.
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If the 10 ship slots are just for 1 character I don't think that is optimal for players. I'd much rather have the choice to distribute the 10 ship slots as I see best for my account.
There's positives & negatives with including those Advanced Phaser Beam Arrays.
Has it been confirmed that the New Starship Traits being account-wide unlocks can be used by the Klingon side?
I see value in the Standard Bundle even if I don't like everything about it & it's a large expense.
I don't see value in the Premium Bundle, but I'm not a gambling fan, I want to know what I'm buying so let those others eat their cake.
Defiant gets 5 new visual nose-jobs, the Galaxy gets a new structural & visual option, the KT Intel BC gets a new very slight structural & visual option, The Odyssey gets a new structural & visual option, the NX gets a new distinctive structural & visual option, the Sovereign seems to only be getting a new slight visual option, the Crossfield gets a new distinctive structural & visual option, the Intrepid gets a new distinctive structural option, the DISC-Ent only seems to be getting a new slight visual option, & the Connie gets a new slight structural & visual option.
One thing that always bugged me is that the devs talk about "hull differences" as to why the DSC and TOS connies can't share skins. However they add the NX refit with secondary hull?
Can't get much more different than that hull difference. So why again can't we share skins between those connies?
If the 10 ship slots are just for 1 character I don't think that is optimal for players. I'd much rather have the choice to distribute the 10 ship slots as I see best for my account.
There's positives & negatives with including those Advanced Phaser Beam Arrays.
I would agree, I have no need for 10 slots for one character. That's exceedingly wasteful, and I'd rather they just removed that from the bundle entirely if that's the case. Even if it were, say 5x the 2 slot option, that would be better.
As someone hinted at above, I would expect the Advanced phasers to be unlocked in the store at a minimum.
The precedence for that is the T6 Intel Cardi bundle. Those 3 ships alone do not give you the free spiral wave disruptors, but they do unlock them in the store. While only the Galor and Keldon actually give you free ones.
So, what's up with the new Defiant!? It's got a 5/3 weapons layout, but no longer an experimental weapon! I can live with that (see below). But it turns slower than the old T6 one (Sic!). And worst of all, it now has a LtCmdr ENGINEERING station, intstead of TACT. Have they finally gone completely mental!? And yes, it's got Pilot abilities, but only 1, and it's on the 1 Cmdr Tact station.
One thing that always bugged me is that the devs talk about "hull differences" as to why the DSC and TOS connies can't share skins. However they add the NX refit with secondary hull?
Can't get much more different than that hull difference. So why again can't we share skins between those connies?
The Disco Connie is scaled differently, it is 1.5x larger than the TOS Connie. The saucer, the secondary hull, the pylons, everything is larger on the Disco version. It shouldn't be difficult to scale the Disco parts down or the TOS parts up, but for some reason they don't seem to want to do that (or they aren't allowed).
So, what's up with the new Defiant!? It's got a 5/3 weapons layout, but no longer an experimental weapon! I can live with that (see below). But it turns slower than the old T6 one (Sic!). And worst of all, it now has a LtCmdr ENGINEERING station, intstead of TACT. Have they finally gone completely mental!? And yes, it's got Pilot abilities, but only 1, and it's on the 1 Cmdr Tact station.
Have to disagree. I think the new Defiant is far more versatile now it has the Lt. Cmdr Eng, and the turn rate difference is negligible. The removal of one tac slot isn't going to affect this ship with all the cooldowns you can get.
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One thing that always bugged me is that the devs talk about "hull differences" as to why the DSC and TOS connies can't share skins. However they add the NX refit with secondary hull?
Can't get much more different than that hull difference. So why again can't we share skins between those connies?
The Disco Connie is scaled differently, it is 1.5x larger than the TOS Connie. The saucer, the secondary hull, the pylons, everything is larger on the Disco version. It shouldn't be difficult to scale the Disco parts down or the TOS parts up, but for some reason they don't seem to want to do that (or they aren't allowed).
Funny thing about the Crossfield. Most of that length... is still in unusable warp nacelles. The usable size of the ship is probably about half that or so.
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They could've made the LtCom a universal instead of engi
Zactly! The question is not whether or not I could still make it work with LtCmdr ENGI, buy why the choice for extra engi, on such an outspoken TACT ship?!
They could've made the LtCom a universal instead of engi
Zactly! The question is not whether or not I could still make it work with LtCmdr ENGI, buy why the choice for extra engi, on such an outspoken TACT ship?!
Maybe they thought it was more fitting due to the show? I mean the Defiant was rather engineering intensive...all the engineering magic people like Sisko and O'Brien had to work to keep her together and those weapons powered.
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So, what's up with the new Defiant!? It's got a 5/3 weapons layout, but no longer an experimental weapon! I can live with that (see below). But it turns slower than the old T6 one (Sic!). And worst of all, it now has a LtCmdr ENGINEERING station, intstead of TACT. Have they finally gone completely mental!? And yes, it's got Pilot abilities, but only 1, and it's on the 1 Cmdr Tact station.
I'd say - They DON'T want to hurt the appeal of Lock/Promo Box versions of any of those ships. I'll admit I'd assumed the new bundled versions would be nearly identical, to their Lock/Promo Box counterparts but that appears not to be the case. Cryptic ISN'T putting the full/actual Lock/Promo Box versions on the C-Store, and for some of these new ships, the difference in noticeable IF you like certain build types.
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So, what's up with the new Defiant!? It's got a 5/3 weapons layout, but no longer an experimental weapon! I can live with that (see below). But it turns slower than the old T6 one (Sic!). And worst of all, it now has a LtCmdr ENGINEERING station, intstead of TACT. Have they finally gone completely mental!? And yes, it's got Pilot abilities, but only 1, and it's on the 1 Cmdr Tact station.
I'd say - They DON'T want to hurt the appeal of Lock/Promo Box versions of any of those ships. I'll admit I'd assumed the new bundled versions would be nearly identical, to their Lock/Promo Box counterparts but that appears not to be the case. Cryptic ISN'T putting the full/actual Lock/Promo Box versions on the C-Store, and for some of these new ships, the difference in noticeable IF you like certain build types.
One thing that always bugged me is that the devs talk about "hull differences" as to why the DSC and TOS connies can't share skins. However they add the NX refit with secondary hull?
Can't get much more different than that hull difference. So why again can't we share skins between those connies?
If the 10 ship slots are just for 1 character I don't think that is optimal for players. I'd much rather have the choice to distribute the 10 ship slots as I see best for my account.
There's positives & negatives with including those Advanced Phaser Beam Arrays.
I would agree, I have no need for 10 slots for one character. That's exceedingly wasteful, and I'd rather they just removed that from the bundle entirely if that's the case. Even if it were, say 5x the 2 slot option, that would be better.
As someone hinted at above, I would expect the Advanced phasers to be unlocked in the store at a minimum.
The precedence for that is the T6 Intel Cardi bundle. Those 3 ships alone do not give you the free spiral wave disruptors, but they do unlock them in the store. While only the Galor and Keldon actually give you free ones.
Excellent point(s). I like your Cardassian ship bundle idea. I'm not saying that this "legendary" Dsc-Ent having those Advanced Phaser Beam Arrays, & unlocking them or not, would automatically have me buying the bundle but it would definitely give it more weight in value & be more compelling.
So, what's up with the new Defiant!? It's got a 5/3 weapons layout, but no longer an experimental weapon! I can live with that (see below). But it turns slower than the old T6 one (Sic!). And worst of all, it now has a LtCmdr ENGINEERING station, intstead of TACT. Have they finally gone completely mental!? And yes, it's got Pilot abilities, but only 1, and it's on the 1 Cmdr Tact station.
I'd say - They DON'T want to hurt the appeal of Lock/Promo Box versions of any of those ships. I'll admit I'd assumed the new bundled versions would be nearly identical, to their Lock/Promo Box counterparts but that appears not to be the case. Cryptic ISN'T putting the full/actual Lock/Promo Box versions on the C-Store, and for some of these new ships, the difference in noticeable IF you like certain build types.
The Defiant isn't a lockbox or promo ship ...
I'm looking at the Bundle in total - not just the Defiant.
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So, what's up with the new Defiant!? It's got a 5/3 weapons layout, but no longer an experimental weapon! I can live with that (see below). But it turns slower than the old T6 one (Sic!). And worst of all, it now has a LtCmdr ENGINEERING station, intstead of TACT. Have they finally gone completely mental!? And yes, it's got Pilot abilities, but only 1, and it's on the 1 Cmdr Tact station.
I'd say - They DON'T want to hurt the appeal of Lock/Promo Box versions of any of those ships. I'll admit I'd assumed the new bundled versions would be nearly identical, to their Lock/Promo Box counterparts but that appears not to be the case. Cryptic ISN'T putting the full/actual Lock/Promo Box versions on the C-Store, and for some of these new ships, the difference in noticeable IF you like certain build types.
The Defiant isn't a lockbox or promo ship ...
I'm looking at the Bundle in total - not just the Defiant.
You were replying to a complaint about the Defiant though.
If you bought keys today and sold them on the exchange. How much would it cost to get enough EC to buy all lockbox comparable ships. That’s the only dollar amount you should be considering. LOL comparison to other bundles with TRIBBLE ships. Folks the only comparison is cash to zen then keys and EC.
And worst of all, it now has a LtCmdr ENGINEERING station, intstead of TACT. Have they finally gone completely mental!?
No. They've done us a huge favor by making a more well rounded boff layout. 7 tac powers is slightly too many IMO. 6 tac powers will work out just fine. And having 5 engineering powers (instead of 4) now allows us to more easily run A2B without sacrificing other engineering powers. For instance, now i can run DEM2 or RSP2 instead of having something IMO less interesting like distributed targeting
And yes, it's got Pilot abilities, but only 1, and it's on the 1 Cmdr Tact station.
Pilot boff powers are IMO mostly worthless and are not worth worrying about. The important thing for me is that this Defiant can perform pilot maneuvers unlike the previous versions. Now I'll admit that pilot maneuvers are also mostly a gimmick but they are fun. The pilot boff powers though? I wouldn't worry about them at all.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
If you bought keys today and sold them on the exchange. How much would it cost to get enough EC to buy all lockbox comparable ships. That’s the only dollar amount you should be considering. LOL comparison to other bundles with TRIBBLE ships. Folks the only comparison is cash to zen then keys and EC.
A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN THIS BUNDLE.
True if you want a TOS Connie. The entire bundle of account-wide unlocks is close to the cost of one single-character unlock promo pack ship.
That doesn't apply to someone wanting just the new Defiant though, or to wanting just one updated lobi ship (~200 million EC on the exchange).
Zactly! The question is not whether or not I could still make it work with LtCmdr ENGI, buy why the choice for extra engi, on such an outspoken TACT ship?!
The Defiant is known for more then just it's tactical prowess.. it was also a very tough ship that was near impossible to kill (unless of course you were Breen.. but that's another story.) The Defiant took many beatings and just kept going.. the 'Legendary Defiant' is more true to the actual screen version in my opinion and from a game stat perspective is wildly superior to the old one. No longer has too many tact slots to optimize.. can be made tougher, can take advantage of more builds.. has pilot maneuvers.. 5 forward weapons.. it's a home run.
The remake of the Defiant is one of the best things in the bundle.. too bad it's locked behind the full bundle paywall.
Zactly! The question is not whether or not I could still make it work with LtCmdr ENGI, buy why the choice for extra engi, on such an outspoken TACT ship?!
The Defiant is known for more then just it's tactical prowess.. it was also a very tough ship that was near impossible to kill (unless of course you were Breen.. but that's another story.) The Defiant took many beatings and just kept going.. the 'Legendary Defiant' is more true to the actual screen version in my opinion and from a game stat perspective is wildly superior to the old one. No longer has too many tact slots to optimize.. can be made tougher, can take advantage of more builds.. has pilot maneuvers.. 5 forward weapons.. it's a home run.
The remake of the Defiant is one of the best things in the bundle.. too bad it's locked behind the full bundle paywall.
I agree it fought a borg cube for a long time, and only started to die after it almost got to earth. I hope its consoles along with the others got a enhanced upgrade though. As well maybe change the lt seat to intel ? To represent garak and odo.
If you bought keys today and sold them on the exchange. How much would it cost to get enough EC to buy all lockbox comparable ships. That’s the only dollar amount you should be considering. LOL comparison to other bundles with TRIBBLE ships. Folks the only comparison is cash to zen then keys and EC.
And I wouldn't pay that much for one promo ship, either.
Which is what I'd be buying the bundle for - one ship (TOS/TMP Connie). I have a Sovereign already, think a bunch of them are ugly (Galaxy, Crossfield, Discoprise, etc) or don't care about them (the rest). Don't really care about the traits or console sets. All I'd want from that bundle is a T6 ship I could use the T2 Connie costume on. Not paying $200 for that. /shrug
Eh, I'll just go back to hoping that the Constellation quality-pass means we may actually get a T6 Heavy Cruiser.
LTC engineering on the legendary defiant is good - it means being able to slot EPtW3, which is a significant upgrade over 1 (since you'd ideally be using the LT slot for A2B)
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As for the alt model... a bit of a surprise honestly. I was expecting the Terran retrofit that we saw happen to USS Defiant. Makes me wonder if they kept that for future use down the road...
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Gotta give people some reason to spend lots of money on R&D boxes
Not surprising though...
Without them you wouldn't be able to Unlock the Advanced Phasers in the Dilithium Store. It would be more effort to remove them than leave them. Besides, they had already been 'adjusted' in a Patch months ago.
Besides which, the Scaling write-up for these ships was stunted (only a statement in the Consoles) rather than their usual throughout the Stats.
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There's positives & negatives with including those Advanced Phaser Beam Arrays.
Has it been confirmed that the New Starship Traits being account-wide unlocks can be used by the Klingon side?
I see value in the Standard Bundle even if I don't like everything about it & it's a large expense.
I don't see value in the Premium Bundle, but I'm not a gambling fan, I want to know what I'm buying so let those others eat their cake.
Defiant gets 5 new visual nose-jobs, the Galaxy gets a new structural & visual option, the KT Intel BC gets a new very slight structural & visual option, The Odyssey gets a new structural & visual option, the NX gets a new distinctive structural & visual option, the Sovereign seems to only be getting a new slight visual option, the Crossfield gets a new distinctive structural & visual option, the Intrepid gets a new distinctive structural option, the DISC-Ent only seems to be getting a new slight visual option, & the Connie gets a new slight structural & visual option.
Can't get much more different than that hull difference. So why again can't we share skins between those connies?
I would agree, I have no need for 10 slots for one character. That's exceedingly wasteful, and I'd rather they just removed that from the bundle entirely if that's the case. Even if it were, say 5x the 2 slot option, that would be better.
As someone hinted at above, I would expect the Advanced phasers to be unlocked in the store at a minimum.
The precedence for that is the T6 Intel Cardi bundle. Those 3 ships alone do not give you the free spiral wave disruptors, but they do unlock them in the store. While only the Galor and Keldon actually give you free ones.
The Disco Connie is scaled differently, it is 1.5x larger than the TOS Connie. The saucer, the secondary hull, the pylons, everything is larger on the Disco version. It shouldn't be difficult to scale the Disco parts down or the TOS parts up, but for some reason they don't seem to want to do that (or they aren't allowed).
Have to disagree. I think the new Defiant is far more versatile now it has the Lt. Cmdr Eng, and the turn rate difference is negligible. The removal of one tac slot isn't going to affect this ship with all the cooldowns you can get.
Funny thing about the Crossfield. Most of that length... is still in unusable warp nacelles. The usable size of the ship is probably about half that or so.
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Zactly! The question is not whether or not I could still make it work with LtCmdr ENGI, buy why the choice for extra engi, on such an outspoken TACT ship?!
Maybe they thought it was more fitting due to the show? I mean the Defiant was rather engineering intensive...all the engineering magic people like Sisko and O'Brien had to work to keep her together and those weapons powered.
I'd say - They DON'T want to hurt the appeal of Lock/Promo Box versions of any of those ships. I'll admit I'd assumed the new bundled versions would be nearly identical, to their Lock/Promo Box counterparts but that appears not to be the case. Cryptic ISN'T putting the full/actual Lock/Promo Box versions on the C-Store, and for some of these new ships, the difference in noticeable IF you like certain build types.
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The Defiant isn't a lockbox or promo ship ...
Excellent point(s). I like your Cardassian ship bundle idea. I'm not saying that this "legendary" Dsc-Ent having those Advanced Phaser Beam Arrays, & unlocking them or not, would automatically have me buying the bundle but it would definitely give it more weight in value & be more compelling.
I'm looking at the Bundle in total - not just the Defiant.
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You were replying to a complaint about the Defiant though.
If you bought keys today and sold them on the exchange. How much would it cost to get enough EC to buy all lockbox comparable ships. That’s the only dollar amount you should be considering. LOL comparison to other bundles with TRIBBLE ships. Folks the only comparison is cash to zen then keys and EC.
A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN THIS BUNDLE.
Heh, tell that to my Jem'Hadar Strike Ship that can't use the Jem'Hadar Vanguard Bridge that I own.
It has 15.5 base turn rate. That's plenty. It'll turn on a dime with no problems at all.
No. They've done us a huge favor by making a more well rounded boff layout. 7 tac powers is slightly too many IMO. 6 tac powers will work out just fine. And having 5 engineering powers (instead of 4) now allows us to more easily run A2B without sacrificing other engineering powers. For instance, now i can run DEM2 or RSP2 instead of having something IMO less interesting like distributed targeting
Pilot boff powers are IMO mostly worthless and are not worth worrying about. The important thing for me is that this Defiant can perform pilot maneuvers unlike the previous versions. Now I'll admit that pilot maneuvers are also mostly a gimmick but they are fun. The pilot boff powers though? I wouldn't worry about them at all.
True if you want a TOS Connie. The entire bundle of account-wide unlocks is close to the cost of one single-character unlock promo pack ship.
That doesn't apply to someone wanting just the new Defiant though, or to wanting just one updated lobi ship (~200 million EC on the exchange).
The Defiant is known for more then just it's tactical prowess.. it was also a very tough ship that was near impossible to kill (unless of course you were Breen.. but that's another story.) The Defiant took many beatings and just kept going.. the 'Legendary Defiant' is more true to the actual screen version in my opinion and from a game stat perspective is wildly superior to the old one. No longer has too many tact slots to optimize.. can be made tougher, can take advantage of more builds.. has pilot maneuvers.. 5 forward weapons.. it's a home run.
The remake of the Defiant is one of the best things in the bundle.. too bad it's locked behind the full bundle paywall.
I agree it fought a borg cube for a long time, and only started to die after it almost got to earth. I hope its consoles along with the others got a enhanced upgrade though. As well maybe change the lt seat to intel ? To represent garak and odo.
And I wouldn't pay that much for one promo ship, either.
Which is what I'd be buying the bundle for - one ship (TOS/TMP Connie). I have a Sovereign already, think a bunch of them are ugly (Galaxy, Crossfield, Discoprise, etc) or don't care about them (the rest). Don't really care about the traits or console sets. All I'd want from that bundle is a T6 ship I could use the T2 Connie costume on. Not paying $200 for that. /shrug
Eh, I'll just go back to hoping that the Constellation quality-pass means we may actually get a T6 Heavy Cruiser.
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That is significant positive news I'd think for buyers &/or someone on the fence still considering.