So you think any business is entitled to squeeze every last penny out of all ventures no matter how poor their product is or the state of the economy? Wow, lots of CRONY CAPITALISTS here. You do know businesses can make a profit without nickel and diming everything and trying to maximize profit at the expense of quality, right? Yes, I am against ultra-capitalism. Businesses should only be allowed to make a certain amount of profit based on the quality of the product, period. No one gave the corporate masters the right to do this, and it WILL be taken away sooner than later if it isn't stopped.
GREED IS EVIL, and that's all they are.
Guess you think it's okay that KOEI charges $90 for a barely finished game even though that's almost double the business standard. HENCE WHY WE HAVE STANDARDS IN THIS COUNTRY! Which is also why PWE sucks so much, they don't have to follow ANY regulations AT ALL! PWE as a company has put out some of the absolute worst games in all of game history! Allowing foreign companies to buy American IPs and companies caused this, and the best solution is to remove the IP from the hands of PWE. Too bad EVERYONE involved is a greedy POS, so nothing will EVER get better.
Neverwinter was already crushed under the weight of special events and deals and market manipulation by Cryptic. Again, the ONLY reason this game still lives is because of the NAME. I love Star Trek more than most and I HATE what these ultra capitalists are doing to the franchise. It goes against everything Star Trek and Gene Roddenberry stood for. ALL of PWE's other games are ATROCIOUS.
I'm so sick of people standing up for greedy capitalists who do nothing but milk people for EVERYTHING instead of aiming for a FAIR profit. This kind of corruption is the number one problem not just in gaming, but THE WORLD.
And yes, I bash any and all people who defend corporate greed and ALWAYS WILL! It's the reason so few have all the wealth in the world, because people like YOU LOT have NO STANDARDS WHATSOEVER. And you refuse to defend against corporate greed. You're all pathetic.
Wish I was a programmer with a lot of starting capital like a corporation, then I could make a better game than this in my sleep. Unfortunately, only those who start with money can do such things.
P.S. It's called price gouging, look it up.
P.S.S. I would rather Star Trek have died as it was than turn into what it has become.
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Blowing up the planet Vulcan made Vulcans about five-hundred times more interesting. And pretty much pimp-slapped the smug right off the face of the Vulcan Science Council FOREVER. No more lounging around as the big brains of the Federation. Now you have a group with a purpose, with some desperation, with needs not easily fulfilled. They were bloody lotus eaters in the prime timeline.
Its also the necessary bookend to the death of Captain Pike. Both protagonists literally have their entire world destroyed, and afterwards we see their essential character laid bare.
I was waaaay more upset during my first viewing of the 2009 movie, that they killed off Spock's mom, than the fact that they blew up the planet.
<go figure>
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That's just the usual "we can't have two original thoughts at the same time. If we do something new we MUST chain it to something old" thinking that continues to mire Star Trek. On the other hand Vulcan like a higher average global temperature, so even after the disaster it's probably a fairly acceptable world by their non-human standards.
and what kind of technology available in that portion of the galaxy at the time would section 31 be able to get their hands on that could blow an entire planet apart? the only planet-destroyer we've seen up to the point of that film was the doomsday device, and that had been rendered permanently inoperable
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
and what kind of technology available in that portion of the galaxy at the time would section 31 be able to get their hands on that could blow an entire planet apart? the only planet-destroyer we've seen up to the point of that film was the doomsday device, and that had been rendered permanently inoperable
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
in MOST cases, what's seen onscreen for star trek makes it canon...but when it involves real science, i think even @artan42 would go with science's measure of antimatter's destructiveness over trek's onscreen example, and he's the most fanatical canonite i know
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
in MOST cases, what's seen onscreen for star trek makes it canon...but when it involves real science, i think even @artan42 would go with science's measure of antimatter's destructiveness over trek's onscreen example, and he's the most fanatical canonite i know
Nothing throws me more than any future where they use the word miles and aren't refering to O'Brien.
in MOST cases, what's seen onscreen for star trek makes it canon...but when it involves real science, i think even @artan42 would go with science's measure of antimatter's destructiveness over trek's onscreen example, and he's the most fanatical canonite i know
Eh? Whatsit?
Depends on what for. It's clear the Universes of ST have different laws of physics than ours. They have time travel, faster than light travel, and most importantly, a yellow sun shining in space.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
And yes, Star Trek Online is a for-profit venture, just like Star Trek itself was a for-profit venture.
Cryptic has posted a plethora of bug fixes in the past only to log in and find old bugs that were fixed now live again, or the bugs that were fixed "not" actually fixed.
6 yrs of history says Cryptic fixing anything isn't their strong point.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't have to spend one red penny on this game... right?
No, your not wrong, a player does not have to spend a penny on this game, however.
Once i do spend money on anything in this f2p game, or any other f2p game "what i bought" isn't free to play.
What i spent money on "should work", and the content i play it in (because i spent money to play something in it) "should work", if it doesn't, it should get fixed ASAP, or whoever bought whatever should get a refund.
All these apologist ideologies toward bugged items or content that has been paid for, and don't work are just excuses.
If i TRIBBLE up at work and dont get a customer taken care of, my boss isn't interested in hearing excuses, he wants results, or he doesn't get paid, and the service is free of charge, period.
Gaming companies by some bizzare twist of reality, seem to be some untouchable fantasy entity in the sky when it comes this, and it never ceases to amaze me how people constantly dismiss them from any responsibility whatsoever.
so if it's white in space, why isn't it called a white dwarf?
A White Dwarf is actually no longer a star, it's the remnants of a dead star of medium size whose thermonuclear processes have ceased. You're actually seeing its smoldering remains. Our star is medium-sized and quite alive, it won't be a dead White Dwarf for billions of years, long past the time that Earth will be habitable by human beings.
"I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am."
I don’t see how introducing this universe is a disservice to Trek fans. I just see it as another place to explore.
Because its Blasphemy. It is Heresy. It is evil and must be burned.
I couldn't resist anymore. The Borg in me made me do it. (and yes, the below is meant to be highly sarcastic)
"We have a JJ-verse-lover. May we eject her from the airlock?"
"How do you know she's a JJ-verse-lover?"
"She looks like one!"
"Bring her forward."
"I'm not a JJ-verse-lover, I'm not a JJ-verse-lover."
"But you are dressed like one." "They dressed me up like this."
"No, no, we didn't."
"And this red shirt is a fake, bought off of Ebay."
"Well?"
"Well ... we did do the red shirt."
"The red shirt?"
"And the lens flares. But she is a JJ-verse-lover."
"Eject her, eject her!"
"Did you dress her up like this?"
"A bit, a bit. She has got sharp-pointed ears."
"What makes you think she's a JJ-verse-lover?"
"She turned me into a tribble."
"A tribble?"
"Well ... I got better."
"Eject her, eject her!"
"There are ways of knowing whether she is a JJ-verse-lover."
"Are there? Tell us, tell us!"
"Tell me ... what do you do with JJ-verse-lovers?"
"Eject 'em from the airlock!"
"But what else do you eject from airlocks?"
"More JJ-verse-lovers!"
"Bad sci-fi episode writers?"
"So why do JJ-verse-lovers get ejected?"
"Because ... they're bad sci-fi episode writers?"
"Goooood."
(crowd nods and murmurs agreement)
"So ... how do we tell if they're bad sci-fi episode writers?"
"Hire them to write for 'Love Boat'."
"Ah, but can't you hire them to write for 'Baywatch' as well?"
"Oh, yeah."
"Are all sci-fi episode writers bad?"
"No."
"No. Some are good. Harlan Ellison was."
"Then we get them to judge whether she's a JJ-verse-lover."
"But who else could judge her?"
"Gene Roddenberry!" "D.C. Fontana!" "Alan Dean Foster!" "James Blish!"
"JJ Abrams!"
"Exactly. Therefore ..."
"If she's as good writer as he was, she must be a good writer too."
"And therefore?"
"A JJ-verse-lover!"
"It's a fair cop."
(okay, maybe I went a bit far, but it was all meant in fun)
Famous Quote from the film "2010 - The Year We make Contact": "My God! It's full of Monty Python!"
(Ok maybe not - but hey I too can mix IPs)
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I get so mad at these "old timers" who don't like any change. Star Trek had no new blood and was dying till JJ Trek brought it back. If it wasn't JJ, you guys would have found someone else to complain about. I expected a educated community to be more open to the future than this. And don't get on this "It's too much action" kick. Very few people will pay to see an intellectual feud set in the future with just 2 guys talking about "how to make the universe a better place" tediousness. We get that on the 6 o'clock news every night.
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I was waaaay more upset during my first viewing of the 2009 movie, that they killed off Spock's mom, than the fact that they blew up the planet.
<go figure>
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
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A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Global Warming!!!!
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A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Actually, we don't really know.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Please don't use english measures for Science! and definitely don't mix them with metric in the same sentence. That's what cost you a Mars mission.
besides, it was also the unit of measurement given by this site: http://edwardmuller.com/calculator.htm
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Mars is where they farm M&Ms
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Nothing throws me more than any future where they use the word miles and aren't refering to O'Brien.
Eh? Whatsit?
Depends on what for. It's clear the Universes of ST have different laws of physics than ours. They have time travel, faster than light travel, and most importantly, a yellow sun shining in space.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
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A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Sol is yellow filtered through Earth's atmosphere. As I recall, it's white viewed from space.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Cryptic has posted a plethora of bug fixes in the past only to log in and find old bugs that were fixed now live again, or the bugs that were fixed "not" actually fixed.
6 yrs of history says Cryptic fixing anything isn't their strong point.
No, your not wrong, a player does not have to spend a penny on this game, however.
Once i do spend money on anything in this f2p game, or any other f2p game "what i bought" isn't free to play.
What i spent money on "should work", and the content i play it in (because i spent money to play something in it) "should work", if it doesn't, it should get fixed ASAP, or whoever bought whatever should get a refund.
All these apologist ideologies toward bugged items or content that has been paid for, and don't work are just excuses.
If i TRIBBLE up at work and dont get a customer taken care of, my boss isn't interested in hearing excuses, he wants results, or he doesn't get paid, and the service is free of charge, period.
Gaming companies by some bizzare twist of reality, seem to be some untouchable fantasy entity in the sky when it comes this, and it never ceases to amaze me how people constantly dismiss them from any responsibility whatsoever.
Tears various and sundry, is the root cause that import
A White Dwarf is actually no longer a star, it's the remnants of a dead star of medium size whose thermonuclear processes have ceased. You're actually seeing its smoldering remains. Our star is medium-sized and quite alive, it won't be a dead White Dwarf for billions of years, long past the time that Earth will be habitable by human beings.
Famous Quote from the film "2010 - The Year We make Contact": "My God! It's full of Monty Python!"
(Ok maybe not - but hey I too can mix IPs)
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