You answered your own question already...it's nothing but pure profit...that is all STO is about anymore is profit...and as long as people trip over themselves to buy the new powercreep every month the game will be about nothing but profit.
Of course it's about profit. There is nothing wrong with a business that is out to make profits, that's the whole point of the business.
When the whole game is based on profit and getting away with as little effort as they possibly can, which leaves the game in a horrible horrible state and basically manipulating the fans who desperately want a Star Trek product in a age where almost every Trek game fails...
Yes there is something wrong with it,
Little effort?
They're doing what they can to fix major issues with the game. Have you not heard them mention stuff about the UI needing an overhaul? They're doing backend stuff to it in order to try improve things there, plus there's also the lighting issue which will make the game a whole lot nicer. They're also fixing bugs as fast as they can identify and work on a fix for them.
Getting back on topic: I wanna add to what everyone has been saying about why they're the Kelvin Timeline stuff to STO. One, it's dealing with a good theme of what AoY is about and that's time travel. There is a clearly diverged timeline from 2233 that clearly has had many changes to it from the prime timeline, so it's worth investigating. Two, from a RL perspective, this is the game's 50th anniversary. CBS obviously wanted STO to be able to celebrate all parts of trek that deal with Kirk (TOS and Kelvin Timeline) so they negotiated with Paramount and paramount gave the okay, hence why we get the Kelvin Timeline in STO. Anything that goes into the game is okayed by CBS.
There's "IDIC" and then there's the version JJfans roll out against those of us who don't like the JJverse.
Funny, I don't think Roddenberry meant "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations (Unless I Don't Like What You Like or Stand For, In Which Case, TRIBBLE Off)"...
And since when do JJHaters get to play the victim card?
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
And since when do JJHaters get to play the victim card?
I think they started trying to when they realized that not only are they a numerical minority, they're an INSIGNIFICANT minority to the people who make their livings creating Star Trek content. There's just no financial threat they can offer that anyone takes seriously. Pretty much the definition of 'toothless' at this point.
Never said you have to snuggle with the Into Darkness Blu-ray every night. I happen to believe that tolerance and total acceptance are two different things.
That being said, how can we expect to be tolerant about "the big things" in life, if we can't even get these little things right without b**tching about it on the internet?
Diversity IS difference. You can like TOS (or whatever), and I can like the Kelvin Timeline... and we can do that without claiming one of us needs a lobotomy, BTW. I think we can each keep our DIVERSITY, while still finding common ground. If only there were a fan base that shared that idea...
Wait a second, I get to explore a universe where canon has midshipmen getting "super-promoted" from Washout to Captain in minutes?
Sign me up...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
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Wait a second, I get to explore a universe where canon has midshipmen getting "super-promoted" from Washout to Captain in minutes?
Sign me up...
Pfft, we already have that in-game. It's called "Bonus XP Weekend."
Perhaps the Bonus XP Weekend is a recurring fracture of the space-time continuum where the Kelvin timeline leaks into the Prime timeline, causing an acceleration of promotions due to how the Kelvin promotions happen faster and easier than in the Prime universe.
First as a bit of intro a little about myself. I have been a Treker since day one with the very first episode that changed my life when I was 9 years old it inspired me to have a lengthy careeer in Aerospace. Later in life I have become close friends with people who made the magic happen on both large and small screen. I welcomed JJ Abrahms ideas in up until Into Darkness which came across as a hack rewrite of The Wrath of Khan. Sure I will admit I don't like the Enterprise in his films it seems clunky and off in its proportions. That said the cast did a great job catching the mannerisms of the TOS Cast. Kudoes for that!
Now to the heart of this open letter to the Devs and writers. Why do you suddenly feel the need to bring in that JJ universe into this game outside of pure profit? In AOY we are going back to the early days of the TOS timeline. Great! There are many many potential storys in that era that could be brought into the game without resorting to any of the JJ universe. Why not write game content that fits tht era instead? For instence we could explore the reasons behind the Federation/Romulan war which was refered to in Balence of Terror. You could have game play that explores what was taking up all the resources of the Romulan Empire for decades right up to the Crystline Enity which brought The federation and empire back in contact after what 70 plus years. The Trek universe is vast and full of potential game play as it is without having to bring in the JJ universe. So yeah I can understand the money end but seriously if you want to reach out to the neolite fans of the JJ universe why not create a better game for them that stands on it's own with it's own entire set of stories. Blending the two is a disservice to both groups of fans hardcore TOS and Hardcore JJ verse. I bet if you did that you would have two very strong player bases that would be happy and would be more conductive to hardline fans of both trying the others universe out.
Sure I'm going to get flamed for this but hey Trek is Trek but sometimes you have to respect that parts of it are seperate and shouldn't mix together and richly deserve thier own unique playgrounds. I look forward to AOY with the exception of the JJ verse parts. I really hope that one can opt out of doing them without failing or missing the storyline missions or content. Best of Luck with AOY.
I've been watching Star Trek first run since 1969. Star Trek Into darkness was as much a 'rewrite' of STII:TWoK as Star Trek: Nemesis was. The difference is - at least ST:ID wasn't boring and had some nice homages - and it really WASN'T a rewrite at all although it did borrow one scene.
If STO was to adhere to what I thought Star Trek was - I'd 100% exclude TNG and VOY. TNG because it so HEAVILY retconned the Star Trek Universe to make it bland; and VOY because I couldn't believe Starfleet would make an obviously Bi-Polar officer a Captain.
The thing is: Star Trek is comprised of everything Desilu/Paramount/CBS licensed to be produced from 1966 to today. A game that purports to be 'Star Trek Online' should include all of it - whether you like it or not. Why? It IS a game about 'Star Trek' as a whole - not cherry picking what some vocal segment of fans (including myself) like or dislike.
Bottom line: if you don't like a piece of content, skip it/don't make use of it. An d realize you WILL be missing out on the storyline because they are trying to weave all the various aspects INTO the STO storyline.
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Another whiner who needs a tissue for their issue.
Keep the Haterade flowing, pew-pew is thirsty work.
Again yet another person who makes an assumption. I would love to see a well written game based on the JJ verse. It horrified me how badly it was done. You assume I hate things. I guess you really didn't read me post. You only saw how there were two things I didn't care for in JJ verse. By the Fed Ex wants your address for the tampons you need.
Agreed with the OP but sadly cryptic has other ideas. they've never been known to be particularly good writers either.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Face it, TOS was a great ride of storytelling with cheap sets, costumes and CGI.
JJ-Verse has shallow storytelling with expeinsive sets, costumes and CGI.
Best of both worlds. *Drop mic*
wait what? TOS good storytelling? The storytelling of TOS may have been good for it's day (not really), but is cringeworthy aweful in retrospect. There are only a handfull episodes that aged well. The majority is horrible even by 1960's standards. People liked it because it was new and had an inspireing feel to it...the stories were borderline garbage except for 5 or 6 good ones.
And that is not even my own opinion man, it has been said by most of the cast members over the years including Nemoy, Takei and the others.
Same goes with TNG btw, which has a lot more good episodes (ran 8 seasons), but there are some you just want to destroy with fire, especially season 1.
The funny part is however that these 2, despite those many poorly written episodes are my favourite Trek series...seriously, but I'm not blind to their many, many flaws.
On topic: Well, a 59 year old who detests the new Trek, of which HE is clearly not the target audience...yep cryptic should really follow the advice of that numerous core demographic instead of maybe cater to people who do like the new Trek, one of the most successful boxoffice movies of last year.
Really tough call
Again you miss everything I said. There is a lot of JJ verse I like no mistake about that. However when it came to Into Darkness it is for the most part a sloppy rewrite of TWOK. In a game like Trek you can have your cake and eat it as well you really don't have to cater to any demographic. But you obviosly feel everyone should bow down and kiss your TRIBBLE as you are special. Wow bit behind on when Jj Verse was released as last years biggest box was Star Wars Force Awakens.
First as a bit of intro a little about myself. I have been a Treker since day one with the very first episode that changed my life when I was 9 years old it inspired me to have a lengthy careeer in Aerospace. Later in life I have become close friends with people who made the magic happen on both large and small screen. I welcomed JJ Abrahms ideas in up until Into Darkness which came across as a hack rewrite of The Wrath of Khan. Sure I will admit I don't like the Enterprise in his films it seems clunky and off in its proportions. That said the cast did a great job catching the mannerisms of the TOS Cast. Kudoes for that!
Now to the heart of this open letter to the Devs and writers. Why do you suddenly feel the need to bring in that JJ universe into this game outside of pure profit? In AOY we are going back to the early days of the TOS timeline. Great! There are many many potential storys in that era that could be brought into the game without resorting to any of the JJ universe. Why not write game content that fits tht era instead? For instence we could explore the reasons behind the Federation/Romulan war which was refered to in Balence of Terror. You could have game play that explores what was taking up all the resources of the Romulan Empire for decades right up to the Crystline Enity which brought The federation and empire back in contact after what 70 plus years. The Trek universe is vast and full of potential game play as it is without having to bring in the JJ universe. So yeah I can understand the money end but seriously if you want to reach out to the neolite fans of the JJ universe why not create a better game for them that stands on it's own with it's own entire set of stories. Blending the two is a disservice to both groups of fans hardcore TOS and Hardcore JJ verse. I bet if you did that you would have two very strong player bases that would be happy and would be more conductive to hardline fans of both trying the others universe out.
Sure I'm going to get flamed for this but hey Trek is Trek but sometimes you have to respect that parts of it are seperate and shouldn't mix together and richly deserve thier own unique playgrounds. I look forward to AOY with the exception of the JJ verse parts. I really hope that one can opt out of doing them without failing or missing the storyline missions or content. Best of Luck with AOY.
You answered your own question already...it's nothing but pure profit...that is all STO is about anymore is profit...and as long as people trip over themselves to buy the new powercreep every month the game will be about nothing but profit.
Of course it's about profit. There is nothing wrong with a business that is out to make profits, that's the whole point of the business.
When the whole game is based on profit and getting away with as little effort as they possibly can, which leaves the game in a horrible horrible state and basically manipulating the fans who desperately want a Star Trek product in a age where almost every Trek game fails...
Yes there is something wrong with it,
Little effort?
They're doing what they can to fix major issues with the game. Have you not heard them mention stuff about the UI needing an overhaul? They're doing backend stuff to it in order to try improve things there, plus there's also the lighting issue which will make the game a whole lot nicer. They're also fixing bugs as fast as they can identify and work on a fix for them.
Getting back on topic: I wanna add to what everyone has been saying about why they're the Kelvin Timeline stuff to STO. One, it's dealing with a good theme of what AoY is about and that's time travel. There is a clearly diverged timeline from 2233 that clearly has had many changes to it from the prime timeline, so it's worth investigating. Two, from a RL perspective, this is the game's 50th anniversary. CBS obviously wanted STO to be able to celebrate all parts of trek that deal with Kirk (TOS and Kelvin Timeline) so they negotiated with Paramount and paramount gave the okay, hence why we get the Kelvin Timeline in STO. Anything that goes into the game is okayed by CBS.
They only reason they're overhauling the UI is so they can sell this POS on platforms...I'd like to know how they're going to do that efficiently when they couldn't even get the game to work great on MAC and had to throw in the towel.
It only took them what? Almost 6 years to seriously try and squash *some* bugs? Squashing a few bugs doesn't fix the horrible state the game is isn't...doesn't fix the rampant power creep they intentionally ramp up every few months just to push their next gamble box.
Doesn't fix PvP...doesn't fix the fact the meta is floating circles around your target spamming the same few abilities over and over and over again. Doesn't fix the fact if you don't want to conform to the shortbus meta this game loves then you cut your dps in half or even more. Doesn't fix the absolute joke torpedoes are in game compared to how they were always portrayed in canon.
Doesn't fix the fact that the best time they had a opportunity to put a little balance into the game and its stats they chose to just ramp up the power creep even more...doesn't fix the fact that the AI in the game is nothing more than a mentally challenged damage sponge with ramped up weapons.
I could go on with dozens of more problems but if they aren't evident to people by now then they're most likely fanboys who're desperate for any type of Star Trek gaming experience, no matter how horrible it is and no matter how much time or money they have to flush down the drain to be relevant in this game.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
It's very clear the rabid JJ verse or nothing fantics are here and never really read what I said. I wish that AOY instead of opening the can of worms with the introduction of JJ verse material had given us an expansion to explore aspects of the early TOS era's events that lead up to the current timeline. Things like where the hell are the Organians? What ever happened to the Kelvins from the Andromeda galaxy? Where did NOMAD come from? What are the origins really of the BORG? There are millions of plot lines that could be unique content without dragging in any more JJ verse. IMHO it is still way to early to bring in things that later films (very much in the air now with Anton Yelchins tragic death) could very easliy render non canon.
This forum post has essentially turned into another one of those flame posts. It's sicking to see all this corrosive behavior from a fandom just because one thing that Cryptic has decided to add. I you like JJTrek, cool. If you don't like JJTrek, cool. But to go around on the forums and be intolerant to another persons opinion is just rude. OP, you knew very well that writing this was going to get you flamed/trolled.
JJ Connie > TOS Connie
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What happened to my Halon consoles
Poni?
It's always hilarious to see someone surprised that when they throw an unprovoked punch, sometimes they get their behinds served on a platter. The concept "don't start none, won't be none" is not hard to grasp, and yet the JJ Haters just sit there looking stupefied that they started some and it has consequences.
I $*#(&ing LOATHE Voyager, and I can take it apart with a lot sharper knife than repeating "lens flare" over and over for SEVEN YEARS, but I don't run around screaming "Dear God, why did you make Delta Rising and pay all that money to those voice actors?"
This forum post has essentially turned into another one of those flame posts. It's sicking to see all this corrosive behavior from a fandom just because one thing that Cryptic has decided to add. I you like JJTrek, cool. If you don't like JJTrek, cool. But to go around on the forums and be intolerant to another persons opinion is just rude. OP, you knew very well that writing this was going to get you flamed/trolled.
Of course I did and it kinda shows how immature a large percentage of ARTrek fans are. They quickly resort to insults and flames. Rather like some political parties of late.
Edit: Never mind. I'm just gonna bask in the fact that I'm getting the ships I want and no amount of petty sniveling by the JJHaters is going to change that. Well done Cryptic, your money will be arriving shortly (still hoping for a zeni and/or key sale before AoY hits).
This forum post has essentially turned into another one of those flame posts. It's sicking to see all this corrosive behavior from a fandom just because one thing that Cryptic has decided to add. I you like JJTrek, cool. If you don't like JJTrek, cool. But to go around on the forums and be intolerant to another persons opinion is just rude. OP, you knew very well that writing this was going to get you flamed/trolled.
Of course I did and it kinda shows how immature a large percentage of ARTrek fans are. They quickly resort to insults and flames. Rather like some political parties of late.
So you baited them, you're just as immature as them. Anyways I hope some moderator shuts this post down as it has done nothing positive.
JJ Connie > TOS Connie
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Comments
TNG
DS9
VOY
ENT
All citing:
previous installations were better.
Previous captains were better.
Previous writers, story arcs, acting, visual designs, ect. were better.
Even With the new Star Trek Series coming there will be die-hard fans that yell, scream, and protest "Not my captain!"
Just like Star Wars and it's Ewoks, Gungans, and midi-chlorians it's all just franchise with the soul(less) intent on making money. Period.
If you want to be heard then simply stop playing/watching/buying. If it hits the wallet they'll listen.
I'll be over here eating popcorn and waiting for Godwin's Law to kick in. (We are so close now!!)
Stop not liking what I like! :P
There's "IDIC" and then there's the version JJfans roll out against those of us who don't like the JJverse.
Little effort?
They're doing what they can to fix major issues with the game. Have you not heard them mention stuff about the UI needing an overhaul? They're doing backend stuff to it in order to try improve things there, plus there's also the lighting issue which will make the game a whole lot nicer. They're also fixing bugs as fast as they can identify and work on a fix for them.
Getting back on topic: I wanna add to what everyone has been saying about why they're the Kelvin Timeline stuff to STO. One, it's dealing with a good theme of what AoY is about and that's time travel. There is a clearly diverged timeline from 2233 that clearly has had many changes to it from the prime timeline, so it's worth investigating. Two, from a RL perspective, this is the game's 50th anniversary. CBS obviously wanted STO to be able to celebrate all parts of trek that deal with Kirk (TOS and Kelvin Timeline) so they negotiated with Paramount and paramount gave the okay, hence why we get the Kelvin Timeline in STO. Anything that goes into the game is okayed by CBS.
Funny, I don't think Roddenberry meant "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations (Unless I Don't Like What You Like or Stand For, In Which Case, TRIBBLE Off)"...
And since when do JJHaters get to play the victim card?
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
I think they started trying to when they realized that not only are they a numerical minority, they're an INSIGNIFICANT minority to the people who make their livings creating Star Trek content. There's just no financial threat they can offer that anyone takes seriously. Pretty much the definition of 'toothless' at this point.
Not expecting it to work out real well for them.
Never said you have to snuggle with the Into Darkness Blu-ray every night. I happen to believe that tolerance and total acceptance are two different things.
That being said, how can we expect to be tolerant about "the big things" in life, if we can't even get these little things right without b**tching about it on the internet?
Diversity IS difference. You can like TOS (or whatever), and I can like the Kelvin Timeline... and we can do that without claiming one of us needs a lobotomy, BTW. I think we can each keep our DIVERSITY, while still finding common ground. If only there were a fan base that shared that idea...
Sign me up...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Pfft, we already have that in-game. It's called "Bonus XP Weekend."
Cool point awarded.
I've been watching Star Trek first run since 1969. Star Trek Into darkness was as much a 'rewrite' of STII:TWoK as Star Trek: Nemesis was. The difference is - at least ST:ID wasn't boring and had some nice homages - and it really WASN'T a rewrite at all although it did borrow one scene.
If STO was to adhere to what I thought Star Trek was - I'd 100% exclude TNG and VOY. TNG because it so HEAVILY retconned the Star Trek Universe to make it bland; and VOY because I couldn't believe Starfleet would make an obviously Bi-Polar officer a Captain.
The thing is: Star Trek is comprised of everything Desilu/Paramount/CBS licensed to be produced from 1966 to today. A game that purports to be 'Star Trek Online' should include all of it - whether you like it or not. Why? It IS a game about 'Star Trek' as a whole - not cherry picking what some vocal segment of fans (including myself) like or dislike.
Bottom line: if you don't like a piece of content, skip it/don't make use of it. An d realize you WILL be missing out on the storyline because they are trying to weave all the various aspects INTO the STO storyline.
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Again yet another person who makes an assumption. I would love to see a well written game based on the JJ verse. It horrified me how badly it was done. You assume I hate things. I guess you really didn't read me post. You only saw how there were two things I didn't care for in JJ verse. By the Fed Ex wants your address for the tampons you need.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Again you miss everything I said. There is a lot of JJ verse I like no mistake about that. However when it came to Into Darkness it is for the most part a sloppy rewrite of TWOK. In a game like Trek you can have your cake and eat it as well you really don't have to cater to any demographic. But you obviosly feel everyone should bow down and kiss your TRIBBLE as you are special. Wow bit behind on when Jj Verse was released as last years biggest box was Star Wars Force Awakens.
A manifesto of manure
They only reason they're overhauling the UI is so they can sell this POS on platforms...I'd like to know how they're going to do that efficiently when they couldn't even get the game to work great on MAC and had to throw in the towel.
It only took them what? Almost 6 years to seriously try and squash *some* bugs? Squashing a few bugs doesn't fix the horrible state the game is isn't...doesn't fix the rampant power creep they intentionally ramp up every few months just to push their next gamble box.
Doesn't fix PvP...doesn't fix the fact the meta is floating circles around your target spamming the same few abilities over and over and over again. Doesn't fix the fact if you don't want to conform to the shortbus meta this game loves then you cut your dps in half or even more. Doesn't fix the absolute joke torpedoes are in game compared to how they were always portrayed in canon.
Doesn't fix the fact that the best time they had a opportunity to put a little balance into the game and its stats they chose to just ramp up the power creep even more...doesn't fix the fact that the AI in the game is nothing more than a mentally challenged damage sponge with ramped up weapons.
I could go on with dozens of more problems but if they aren't evident to people by now then they're most likely fanboys who're desperate for any type of Star Trek gaming experience, no matter how horrible it is and no matter how much time or money they have to flush down the drain to be relevant in this game.
My character Tsin'xing
Lag denied your Heal
What happened to my Halon consoles
Poni?
I $*#(&ing LOATHE Voyager, and I can take it apart with a lot sharper knife than repeating "lens flare" over and over for SEVEN YEARS, but I don't run around screaming "Dear God, why did you make Delta Rising and pay all that money to those voice actors?"
Of course I did and it kinda shows how immature a large percentage of ARTrek fans are. They quickly resort to insults and flames. Rather like some political parties of late.
So you baited them, you're just as immature as them. Anyways I hope some moderator shuts this post down as it has done nothing positive.
Lag denied your Heal
What happened to my Halon consoles
Poni?