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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    And diversity is only good when the thing being included is good

    Diversity does not work that way.​​
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    So, diversity is subjective, and we insult people who think differently than us... got it.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    mhall85 wrote: »
    So, diversity is subjective, and we insult people who think differently than us... got it.
    I think you got it! We will make a True Star Trek Fan (tm) out of you yet!
    Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    But you aren't a True Star Trek Fan(tm) unless you pass the True Star Trek Fan(tm) purity test. You have to prove you believe in the exact same kind of Star Trek as the rest of the True Star Trek Fans(tm) and that you're not just a pretender.​​
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    I agree that the JJ-verse is horrid. It's not even Star Trek, just Star Wars with the Trek name. They made that universe for the legions of unthinking fans with ADHD who can't handle an intelligent exploration story.

    And diversity is only good when the thing being included is good, and JJ-verse just isn't.

    Haha. You think there's nothing in TAR but explosions don't you. Bless.

    There's a difference between not liking how something is told or presented and being ignorant.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,918 Arc User
    I agree that the JJ-verse is horrid. It's not even Star Trek, just Star Wars with the Trek name. They made that universe for the legions of unthinking fans with ADHD who can't handle an intelligent exploration story.

    And diversity is only good when the thing being included is good, and JJ-verse just isn't.

    This is all personal opinion. Some people liked JJTrek and not all of us are brainless ADHDs. Nice generalizations and insults there, pal.

    There are ways to voice your opinions without insulting others, you know.

    Like Iconians said, Diversity doesn't work that way. Can't say it better myself.
    Now a LTS and loving it.
    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
    I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything. :D
  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    And, now, the gaming industry is not allowed to make money.

    Because those evil devs that DARE to let bugs in the game don't deserve paychecks. THEY SHOULD ALL DO THIS FOR FREE!

    Learning so much today! :smiley:
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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,918 Arc User
    Well one problem this game has constantly is adding content without fixing bugs. The game still crashes randomly. And you guys are okay that they try to milk the game for every dime they can? That kind of ultra-hardcore capitalism is shameful and bad for art and gaming as a whole.

    Making money is kind of what they have to do to keep the game online, you know?
    Now a LTS and loving it.
    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
    I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything. :D
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    Last I checked, Cryptic fixes bugs on a regular basis, as well.

    The last patch notes are here and they fixed several bugs.

    And yes, Star Trek Online is a for-profit venture, just like Star Trek itself was a for-profit venture.​​
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    As a TOS fan...I enjoyed the KT movies
    Your pain runs deep.
    Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
  • tenderbitstenderbits Member Posts: 117 Arc User
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    Perfect World is a business, not a charity.

    Maybe one day UNICEF will get into the game developing business...

    ...but until then
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  • tenderbitstenderbits Member Posts: 117 Arc User
    Sell product. If people buy it, you sell more.
    They are selling a product. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Others may like it and buy the product.
    If product does not sell, then they either change the product to be sold or go out of business.
  • saedeithsaedeith Member Posts: 628 Arc User
    So you think any business is entitled to squeeze every last penny out of all ventures no matter how poor their product is or the state of the economy? Wow, lots of CRONY CAPITALISTS here. You do know businesses can make a profit without nickel and diming everything and trying to maximize profit at the expense of quality, right? Yes, I am against ultra-capitalism. Businesses should only be allowed to make a certain amount of profit based on the quality of the product, period. No one gave the corporate masters the right to do this, and it WILL be taken away sooner than later if it isn't stopped.

    GREED IS EVIL, and that's all they are.

    Guess you think it's okay that KOEI charges $90 for a barely finished game even though that's almost double the business standard. HENCE WHY WE HAVE STANDARDS IN THIS COUNTRY! Which is also why PWE sucks so much, they don't have to follow ANY regulations AT ALL! PWE as a company has put out some of the absolute worst games in all of game history! Allowing foreign companies to buy American products caused this, and the best solution is to remove the IP from the hands of PWE. Too bad EVERYONE involved is a greedy POS, so nothing will EVER get better.

    Neverwinter was already crushed under the weight of special events and deals and market manipulation by Cryptic. Again, the ONLY reason this game still lives is because of the NAME. I love Star Trek more than most and I HATE what these ultra capitalists are doing to the franchise. It goes against everything Star Trek and Gene Roddenberry stood for. ALL of PWE's other games are ATROCIOUS.

    I'm so sick of people standing up for greedy capitalists who do nothing but milk people for EVERYTHING instead of aiming for a FAIR profit. This kind of corruption is the number one problem not just in gaming, but THE WORLD.

    And yes, I bash any and all people who defend corporate greed and ALWAYS WILL! It's the reason so few have all the wealth in the world.

    Ridiculous.

  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,284 Arc User
    and that is why you get banned from the forums when a mod sees that garbage

    oh, and by the way...PWE DOES have to follow regulations the same as any other game company in north america has to follow, becuase PWE is an AMERICAN company​​
    Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    So you think any business is entitled to squeeze every last penny out of all ventures no matter how poor their product is or the state of the economy? Wow, lots of CRONY CAPITALISTS here. You do know businesses can make a profit without nickel and diming everything and trying to maximize profit at the expense of quality, right? Yes, I am against ultra-capitalism. Businesses should only be allowed to make a certain amount of profit based on the quality of the product, period. No one gave the corporate masters the right to do this, and it WILL be taken away sooner than later if it isn't stopped.

    GREED IS EVIL, and that's all they are.

    Guess you think it's okay that KOEI charges $90 for a barely finished game even though that's almost double the business standard. HENCE WHY WE HAVE STANDARDS IN THIS COUNTRY! Which is also why PWE sucks so much, they don't have to follow ANY regulations AT ALL! PWE as a company has put out some of the absolute worst games in all of game history! Allowing foreign companies to buy American IPs and companies caused this, and the best solution is to remove the IP from the hands of PWE. Too bad EVERYONE involved is a greedy POS, so nothing will EVER get better.

    Neverwinter was already crushed under the weight of special events and deals and market manipulation by Cryptic. Again, the ONLY reason this game still lives is because of the NAME. I love Star Trek more than most and I HATE what these ultra capitalists are doing to the franchise. It goes against everything Star Trek and Gene Roddenberry stood for. ALL of PWE's other games are ATROCIOUS.

    I'm so sick of people standing up for greedy capitalists who do nothing but milk people for EVERYTHING instead of aiming for a FAIR profit. This kind of corruption is the number one problem not just in gaming, but THE WORLD.

    And yes, I bash any and all people who defend corporate greed and ALWAYS WILL! It's the reason so few have all the wealth in the world, because people like YOU LOT have NO STANDARDS WHATSOEVER. And you refuse to defend against corporate greed. You're all pathetic.

    Wish I was a programmer with a lot of starting capital like a corporation, then I could make a better game than this in my sleep. Unfortunately, only those who start with money can do such things.

    those are games, entertainment products and not daily necessities... they are not exploiting their workers, you just happen to disagree with the content or quality of their product, which YOU are not required to purchase anyway...
    get your priorities straight man...

    what's next? you walk into a casino and demand them to stop exploiting their costumers because they are too greedy?
    Go pro or go home
  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't have to spend one red penny on this game... right?
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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,918 Arc User
    mhall85 wrote: »
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't have to spend one red penny on this game... right?

    You are correct.
    Now a LTS and loving it.
    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
    I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything. :D
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,284 Arc User
    oh, and i forgot something...since the OP admitted earlier he started the thread as flamebait...

    @midniteshadow7 @askray @jodarkrider​​
    Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
  • tenderbitstenderbits Member Posts: 117 Arc User
    ...

    Wish I was a programmer with a lot of starting capital like a corporation, then I could make a better game than this in my sleep. ...

    Even if this was true, there would be no way for you to guarantee that your product would sell. What would you charge for this "marvelous" game? Would you work solo or hire a team? Would you pay this team? Would you want to make a profit so that you could make another "marvelous" game?
    Most of my friends who build their own games do it with little to no money, no starting capital. They use what they have, program, test and hope they have a product that someone else would want to buy.

    The view from that ivory tower must be magnificent
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,918 Arc User
    I'd probably get a nosebleed, or pass out from lack of oxygen if I was in that particular ivory tower.
    Now a LTS and loving it.
    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
    I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything. :D
  • themetalstickmanthemetalstickman Member Posts: 1,010 Arc User
    I felt that the JJTrek movies were good movies, but, IMO they are not canon. Why? JJ decided to blow up Vulcan before Kirk was even captain. The only way I, personally, will ever think of JJTrek as being canon is if they either restore planet Vulcan or call it an alternate universe. But how and where do you draw the line between canon and alternate universe? Why would JJTrek be canon and not the cartoon series, the novels or even comics? TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise were all Star Trek, but were very different in many ways. I think Cryptic has done a good job of weaving them all together. I hope they do a good job of adding JJTrek, because obviously Cryptic is going that route. I also hope that AOY focuses more on TOS than JJTrek.

    They directly called it "An alternate reality." Uhura's words, confirmed by Spock. Not my words.
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    Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.

    I dare you to do better.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    echatty wrote: »
    I'd probably get a nosebleed, or pass out from lack of oxygen if I was in that particular ivory tower.
    Isn't it that special sort of air only True Scotsmen can breathe?
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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,918 Arc User
    echatty wrote: »
    I'd probably get a nosebleed, or pass out from lack of oxygen if I was in that particular ivory tower.
    Isn't it that special sort of air only True Scotsmen can breathe?

    I don't know, maybe. And I have some Scots blood somewhere in my ancestry. I think.
    Now a LTS and loving it.
    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
    I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything. :D
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  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    oh, and i forgot something...since the OP admitted earlier he started the thread as flamebait...

    @midniteshadow7 @askray @jodarkrider​​
    Not entirely.
  • nadiezjanadiezja Member Posts: 629 Arc User
    The day they stop adding new content in favor of bug fixing is the day they lay off a ton of writers and artists and system designers and other folks who can't actually help with bug fixing because a company needs a variety of skills and my ability to write prose does not make me a qualified lawyer or bug fixer.

    Also, it's the day I start not logging in or spending money for the duration of that, since I basically come back for new content. Because new content is good.
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,918 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    I come on to see what's new myself. And I haven't run into any game-breaking bugs on my end. I've run into random D/Cs and CTDs, but only once in awhile. STO runs just fine on my middle-of-the-road computer.

    And has been stated, they are working on fixing bugs as they find them and find a fix for them. The game would have to be put into perpetual downtime for them to find and fix *every* bug.

    So I'll take the bugfixes they do and continue playing without running over here to whine about some bug I may find.
    Now a LTS and loving it.
    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
    I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything. :D
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