it's not the action i take umbrage with in abrams' films...it's the MASSIVE, GAPING plot holes in both of the films and the complete mutilation of ESTABLISHED science as well (especially the cold fusion bit at the start of ID...seriously, abrams?)
every other trek series and film may have those things (and i take equal umbrage there as well), but not in the same degree
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I don’t see how introducing this universe is a disservice to Trek fans. I just see it as another place to explore.
Because its Blasphemy. It is Heresy. It is evil and must be burned.
I couldn't resist anymore. The Borg in me made me do it. (and yes, the below is meant to be highly sarcastic)
"We have a JJ-verse-lover. May we eject her from the airlock?"
"How do you know she's a JJ-verse-lover?"
"She looks like one!"
"Bring her forward."
"I'm not a JJ-verse-lover, I'm not a JJ-verse-lover."
"But you are dressed like one." "They dressed me up like this."
"No, no, we didn't."
"And this red shirt is a fake, bought off of Ebay."
"Well?"
"Well ... we did do the red shirt."
"The red shirt?"
"And the lens flares. But she is a JJ-verse-lover."
"Eject her, eject her!"
"Did you dress her up like this?"
"A bit, a bit. She has got sharp-pointed ears."
"What makes you think she's a JJ-verse-lover?"
"She turned me into a tribble."
"A tribble?"
"Well ... I got better."
"Eject her, eject her!"
"There are ways of knowing whether she is a JJ-verse-lover."
"Are there? Tell us, tell us!"
"Tell me ... what do you do with JJ-verse-lovers?"
"Eject 'em from the airlock!"
"But what else do you eject from airlocks?"
"More JJ-verse-lovers!"
"Bad sci-fi episode writers?"
"So why do JJ-verse-lovers get ejected?"
"Because ... they're bad sci-fi episode writers?"
"Goooood."
(crowd nods and murmurs agreement)
"So ... how do we tell if they're bad sci-fi episode writers?"
"Hire them to write for 'Love Boat'."
"Ah, but can't you hire them to write for 'Baywatch' as well?"
"Oh, yeah."
"Are all sci-fi episode writers bad?"
"No."
"No. Some are good. Harlan Ellison was."
"Then we get them to judge whether she's a JJ-verse-lover."
"But who else could judge her?"
"Gene Roddenberry!" "D.C. Fontana!" "Alan Dean Foster!" "James Blish!"
"JJ Abrams!"
"Exactly. Therefore ..."
"If she's as good writer as he was, she must be a good writer too."
"And therefore?"
"A JJ-verse-lover!"
"It's a fair cop."
(okay, maybe I went a bit far, but it was all meant in fun)
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(Ok maybe not - but hey I too can mix IPs)
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it's not the action i take umbrage with in abrams' films...it's the MASSIVE, GAPING plot holes in both of the films and the complete mutilation of ESTABLISHED science as well (especially the cold fusion bit at the start of ID...seriously, abrams?)
every other trek series and film may have those things (and i take equal umbrage there as well), but not in the same degree
Awww, c'mon, I'm sure if you have the resources to build a completely secret dreadnought in orbit of a gas giant, you absolutely must go through a convoluted plot involving secretly-developed interstellar torpedoes to dispose of a bunch of frozen genetic supersoldiers. Instead of, say, deorbiting the augsicles into Jupiter.
Or if you're a dude with a backpack-sized interstellar transporter, you need to go through a completely convoluted plot involving tricking some dude building a secret dreadnought into shooting secret interstellar torpedoes at you that you preloaded with your mates. Instead of, say, literally any other rescue mission into a facility that a shuttlecraft can sneak into by just being part of the herd.
well, the first one isn't much of a plot hole...you could certainly dispose of the cryo pods in jupiter's gravity well, but why not kill two birds with one stone by damaging klingon property at the same time?
but the second...yeah, that would be a good example of a massive, gaping plot hole
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
that one's also explainable - in two ways, in fact
one, it wasn't like earth today in STO - the only thing they had in orbit back then (at least what was seen on screen, and therefore canon-wise) was earth spacedock and a few shipyards, and those could've been on the other side of the planet at the time
two, marcus was a starfleet admiral; he had the authority to shift whatever monitoring might've been going on on the ground elsewhere, as well as any starfleet vessels that might've been on that side of the planet, to give him privacy in the event enterprise made it back to earth (which it did)
okay, it's an explanation that stretches credibility to the breaking point, but it's still possible
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
it's not the action i take umbrage with in abrams' films...it's the MASSIVE, GAPING plot holes in both of the films and the complete mutilation of ESTABLISHED science as well (especially the cold fusion bit at the start of ID...seriously, abrams?)
every other trek series and film may have those things (and i take equal umbrage there as well), but not in the same degree
Voyager's pilot introducing a new particle to explain rainfall... EYE-GOUGINGLY BAD... If we're sharing "and then I wrote that whole movie/series off" moments .
i didn't write anything off; i enjoy all star trek regardless of its quality (though, the parts of threshold that made it get struck from canon by CBS stretched my tolerance to the limit too)
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
i didn't write anything off; i enjoy all star trek regardless of its quality (though, the parts of threshold that made it get struck from canon by CBS stretched my tolerance to the limit too)
i didn't pay too close attention to seasons 2 & 3 of TOS when i watched them on netflix because i was multitasking at the time, so i can't properly comment on spock's brain
besides, it was the sixties - everyone was half-baked on acid...i think they can be forgiven for any of the more eye-gouging scenes that appeared on TV at the time
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
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two, marcus was a starfleet admiral; he had the authority to shift whatever monitoring might've been going on on the ground elsewhere, as well as any starfleet vessels that might've been on that side of the planet, to give him privacy in the event enterprise made it back to earth (which it did)
Weapons fire and Enterprise falling into the atmosphere of Earth would have raised red flags no matter who gave orders.
There's also the lunar colony that would have had a front row seat to the attack.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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two, marcus was a starfleet admiral; he had the authority to shift whatever monitoring might've been going on on the ground elsewhere, as well as any starfleet vessels that might've been on that side of the planet, to give him privacy in the event enterprise made it back to earth (which it did)
Weapons fire and Enterprise falling into the atmosphere of Earth would have raised red flags no matter who gave orders.
There's also the lunar colony that would have had a front row seat to the attack.
But I guess we're nitpicking now.
WAS there a lunar colony during that time period? we got a few shots of the moon during ID and maybe 2009, and i didn't notice any signs of a city or even structures...granted, i wasn't looking too closely
and even if someone had picked up weapons fire, it might've just been civilian installations as marcus could've ordered starfleet ones to ignore any signs of weapons fire in earth orbit
or hell, he might've told them it was coming, that he was going to apprehend a rogue starfleet captain and they might end up coming back to earth - he's a decorated admiral, so who would doubt him?
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
it's not the action i take umbrage with in abrams' films...it's the MASSIVE, GAPING plot holes in both of the films and the complete mutilation of ESTABLISHED science as well (especially the cold fusion bit at the start of ID...seriously, abrams?)
every other trek series and film may have those things (and i take equal umbrage there as well), but not in the same degree
Awww, c'mon, I'm sure if you have the resources to build a completely secret dreadnought in orbit of a gas giant, you absolutely must go through a convoluted plot involving secretly-developed interstellar torpedoes to dispose of a bunch of frozen genetic supersoldiers. Instead of, say, deorbiting the augsicles into Jupiter.
Or if you're a dude with a backpack-sized interstellar transporter, you need to go through a completely convoluted plot involving tricking some dude building a secret dreadnought into shooting secret interstellar torpedoes at you that you preloaded with your mates. Instead of, say, literally any other rescue mission into a facility that a shuttlecraft can sneak into by just being part of the herd.
That's one take on the plot. Here's mine:
ROBOCOP orders Captain Kirk to fire 62 people filled torpedoes (or as I call them PEOPLEPEDOES!) at the Klingon Homeworld.
Actually, I was under the impression that the Admiral didn't know that's where Khan had secreted the still frozen augments. He just knew his leverage was missing and his pet monster was now out from under thumb and needed to be deadified. Maybe he just thought he was being ironic killing Khan with the very weapons Kahn had designed. Meanwhile Kahn's playing a brer rabbit, going to Q'onos specifically to get the admiral to issue those particular weapons to whoever was sent after him. They get loaded on the Enterprise and now he's finally got them out of the Section 31base and into the hands of someone he can reason with.
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every other trek series and film may have those things (and i take equal umbrage there as well), but not in the same degree
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Never cross the streams.
Awww, c'mon, I'm sure if you have the resources to build a completely secret dreadnought in orbit of a gas giant, you absolutely must go through a convoluted plot involving secretly-developed interstellar torpedoes to dispose of a bunch of frozen genetic supersoldiers. Instead of, say, deorbiting the augsicles into Jupiter.
Or if you're a dude with a backpack-sized interstellar transporter, you need to go through a completely convoluted plot involving tricking some dude building a secret dreadnought into shooting secret interstellar torpedoes at you that you preloaded with your mates. Instead of, say, literally any other rescue mission into a facility that a shuttlecraft can sneak into by just being part of the herd.
but the second...yeah, that would be a good example of a massive, gaping plot hole
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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one, it wasn't like earth today in STO - the only thing they had in orbit back then (at least what was seen on screen, and therefore canon-wise) was earth spacedock and a few shipyards, and those could've been on the other side of the planet at the time
two, marcus was a starfleet admiral; he had the authority to shift whatever monitoring might've been going on on the ground elsewhere, as well as any starfleet vessels that might've been on that side of the planet, to give him privacy in the event enterprise made it back to earth (which it did)
okay, it's an explanation that stretches credibility to the breaking point, but it's still possible
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Voyager's pilot introducing a new particle to explain rainfall... EYE-GOUGINGLY BAD... If we're sharing "and then I wrote that whole movie/series off" moments
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
besides, it was the sixties - everyone was half-baked on acid...i think they can be forgiven for any of the more eye-gouging scenes that appeared on TV at the time
threshold, however, had no such excuse
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Weapons fire and Enterprise falling into the atmosphere of Earth would have raised red flags no matter who gave orders.
There's also the lunar colony that would have had a front row seat to the attack.
But I guess we're nitpicking now.
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It did however have Peter Dinklage as an awesome linguist.
Maybe it's Gene Roddenberry's future where people learned to just mind their own business.
WAS there a lunar colony during that time period? we got a few shots of the moon during ID and maybe 2009, and i didn't notice any signs of a city or even structures...granted, i wasn't looking too closely
and even if someone had picked up weapons fire, it might've just been civilian installations as marcus could've ordered starfleet ones to ignore any signs of weapons fire in earth orbit
or hell, he might've told them it was coming, that he was going to apprehend a rogue starfleet captain and they might end up coming back to earth - he's a decorated admiral, so who would doubt him?
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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That's one take on the plot. Here's mine:
ROBOCOP orders Captain Kirk to fire 62 people filled torpedoes (or as I call them PEOPLEPEDOES!) at the Klingon Homeworld.
As far as sci-plots go, that's epic.