Yeah, watching a teleplay about moral choices is deeply unfulfilling if I look at the choices made and think that no one in their right mind would accept those as the only options.
Good stuff stopped being made years ago. Even when a show was good exec found a way to scrap. The last 5 years have been bad. Nothing original and poor story telling. Actually I was wrong. There is a very great show at the moment: The Orville. Now that's Star Trek.
Translation: Television made whilst I was in my nostalgic period was good, TV made after this period is somehow worse and not at all me changing.
But yes you are wrong. About Orville anyway, it's not Star Trek. If you look really closely it's not licenced by CBS under the Star Trek brand and is thus not Star Trek.
Big deal. Neither are fan films, and some of them are way better than what CBS has done in the past 12 years.
I’ll reserve judgement until after the end credit rolls for the most part.
However, I have formed two negative opinions thus far.
Firstly, I don’t like the ship (USS Discovery) very much. But that’s just a personal taste thing.
Secondly, the Michael Burnham character. I’m not fond of the whole ‘Lead Character’ thing anyway – it’s not something that Trek has really done before and I don’t think it’s necessary. However, since pretty much EVERY piece of promotional material to date has shoved Sonequa Martin-Green down our throats I am concerned that the show will place too much emphasis on this one character. And honestly, if it does that I suspect I’ll take a fairly quick dislike to it.
To be fair, I can't blame them, the woman is stunning, and has absolutely amazing poise.
That's not enough to make me want to watch the show, but I can understand why they've done what they've done with her in terms of promotional material
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
To be fair, I can't blame them, the woman is stunning, and has absolutely amazing poise.
^ Absolutely! Add to that she's quite a talented actress as well. I've no doubt she has the chops to carry a series. I'm looking forward to seeing the premier this Sunday.
Have to admit, I never got into the Walking Dead (it gave wifey nightmares) so I can't comment on her acting chops, but I know Class when I see it, and she epitomises it Hope you'll enjoy the show
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
I’ll reserve judgement until after the end credit rolls for the most part.
However, I have formed two negative opinions thus far.
Firstly, I don’t like the ship (USS Discovery) very much. But that’s just a personal taste thing.
Secondly, the Michael Burnham character. I’m not fond of the whole ‘Lead Character’ thing anyway – it’s not something that Trek has really done before and I don’t think it’s necessary. However, since pretty much EVERY piece of promotional material to date has shoved Sonequa Martin-Green down our throats I am concerned that the show will place too much emphasis on this one character. And honestly, if it does that I suspect I’ll take a fairly quick dislike to it.
To be fair, I can't blame them, the woman is stunning, and has absolutely amazing poise.
That's not enough to make me want to watch the show, but I can understand why they've done what they've done with her in terms of promotional material
Again though - each to their own. I, personally, don't find her that attractive. And she could be the most talented, most amazing actress in the world but I, personally, will lose interest if they focus too much on one particular character.
Voyager turned into the 'Seven of Nine and friends' show for a time. I, for one, am hoping that we don't get the same here.
Totally agree with what you're saying, and especially the boldened part, but I understand Marketing, and Marketing, is the reason why "EVERY piece of promotional material to date has shoved Sonequa Martin-Green down our throats"
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
Why does nobody ever mention Mary Wiseman? She's cute.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Good stuff stopped being made years ago. Even when a show was good exec found a way to scrap. The last 5 years have been bad. Nothing original and poor story telling. Actually I was wrong. There is a very great show at the moment: The Orville. Now that's Star Trek.
Translation: Television made whilst I was in my nostalgic period was good, TV made after this period is somehow worse and not at all me changing.
But yes you are wrong. About Orville anyway, it's not Star Trek. If you look really closely it's not licenced by CBS under the Star Trek brand and is thus not Star Trek.
Big deal. Neither are fan films, and some of them are way better than what CBS has done in the past 12 years.
No fan production, not even Continues (the only TV quality one) has come close to ENT (as hit and miss as it was) or the KT films.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
So, by episode three, we'll know more about the Discovery herself (and, presumably, the "new way to fly" stuff). This is why I may wait to activate my All Access sub until Monday, so I can get three episodes within the free trial. I'm very intrigued by this ship, and I want to see what the PTBs have cooked up.
Also interesting was the comments about Enterprise. They are being pretty respectful of that show, and are apparently treating is as equal canon. It touches on some of my issues with ENT, though... they tried to cram way too much, in terms of building early canon. This is why I have issues with Drexler's NX Refit design - it just feels too soon in the timeline for that. No surprise that B&B mismanaged canon, regardless of supposed studio interference... but, it would be cool to find out what DSC wanted to do that ENT prevents them from doing.
This is why I have issues with Drexler's NX Refit design - it just feels too soon in the timeline for that.
It does, and we still have the Kelvin, Newton, Mayflower, and Armstrong/Excelsior to get through in canon before the familiar Constitution design appears.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
This is why I have issues with Drexler's NX Refit design - it just feels too soon in the timeline for that.
It does, and we still have the Kelvin, Newton, Mayflower, and Armstrong/Excelsior to get through in canon before the familiar Constitution design appears.
Not to mention the Daedelus, which should have been the NX design. (And, I know, Rick Berman loved the Akira design, and wanted that one.)
This is why I have issues with Drexler's NX Refit design - it just feels too soon in the timeline for that.
It does, and we still have the Kelvin, Newton, Mayflower, and Armstrong/Excelsior to get through in canon before the familiar Constitution design appears.
Not to mention the Daedelus, which should have been the NX design. (And, I know, Rick Berman loved the Akira design, and wanted that one.)
And the Bonaventure...
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
This is why I have issues with Drexler's NX Refit design - it just feels too soon in the timeline for that.
It does, and we still have the Kelvin, Newton, Mayflower, and Armstrong/Excelsior to get through in canon before the familiar Constitution design appears.
Of those, only the Kelvin existed prior to Nero's incursion, the other designs can be easily jettisoned out of canon for prime timeline purposes.
This is why I have issues with Drexler's NX Refit design - it just feels too soon in the timeline for that.
It does, and we still have the Kelvin, Newton, Mayflower, and Armstrong/Excelsior to get through in canon before the familiar Constitution design appears.
Not to mention the Daedelus, which should have been the NX design. (And, I know, Rick Berman loved the Akira design, and wanted that one.)
This is why I have issues with Drexler's NX Refit design - it just feels too soon in the timeline for that.
It does, and we still have the Kelvin, Newton, Mayflower, and Armstrong/Excelsior to get through in canon before the familiar Constitution design appears.
In fact, only the Kelvin is canon. All the others come from the Kelvin timeline, and are immaterial to the Prime.
This is why I have issues with Drexler's NX Refit design - it just feels too soon in the timeline for that.
It does, and we still have the Kelvin, Newton, Mayflower, and Armstrong/Excelsior to get through in canon before the familiar Constitution design appears.
Of those, only the Kelvin existed prior to Nero's incursion, the other designs can be easily jettisoned out of canon for prime timeline purposes.
No, they clearly were built at the same time as the Kelvin, a ship that is old and falling to bits even by the time it's destroyed. You can see in Kirks simulator they even have the same old bridge design. They are just used into the KTs TOS era in the same way the Miranda and the E*******r are used into DS9. The are prime canon.
No. No it's not. Quality is a measurable thing. Quality of actors, directing, filming styles, lighting, set quality, script and so on, all tangible things.
All depends on what you value. I also think many of the fan works are better than anything post-TNG, especially the craporama that was ENT and VOY.
Sure, sure. They're not, but if you would rather watch three blokes in a shed and a trial copy of Adobe After Effects over DS9, go ahead, just expect to be mocked for believing that even five blokes and a Premier copy of AAE could rival production TV series or film.
For some people, canon / consistency and adherence to a certain style and tone that fits with what they fell in love with in the first place is most important. Some people want things to be changed to fit the style and sensibilities of the current time, and for some production values and slick visuals and action are what appeals to them.
Ah, so you're of the type of arrogance that believes people are easily detracted by bright colours and explosions? Could it possibly be that you are so blind you haven't even seen that TOS didn't stick to its own canon and dropped its style as soon as motion picture budgets were available. You have your rose tinted glasses on so tight they've shattered and pierced your brain.
It's not hard to figure out what fans like me want. Unfortunately, we aren't getting it from official sources and haven't for many years, because the people who want "fresh and modern" are in charge.
Odd that. How people who understand how media must change as audiences change are in charge of TV nowadays.
If the people you look up to (stick-in-the-mud types) were in charge, we'd all still be watching black and white silent films shot on handheld cameras with less resolution than a mobile phone and cursing all the young 'uns with their damn talkies and their fandangled technicolor.
If you cared about TOS or TNG or the fan shows on a personal level, you'd we off quietly watching them or posting threads about how much you like them, you're not, you're simply polluting everybody else's threads with insults to their taste over something their waiting to see. If you don't like something, go forth and ignore it, if you like something, feel free to gush about it 'till your heart's content. TOS is 85% steaming cra.p in my opinion, I'm at least polite (yeah, even me) enough to not go into somebodies TOS appreciation thread and tell them that.
Though I have done that with the E*******r to be fair, but that's a special exception. It's an ugly ship.
Oh come on . Really? I knew you were mad (you like the E*******r) but is there no end to your depravity?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
This is why I have issues with Drexler's NX Refit design - it just feels too soon in the timeline for that.
It does, and we still have the Kelvin, Newton, Mayflower, and Armstrong/Excelsior to get through in canon before the familiar Constitution design appears.
Not to mention the Daedelus, which should have been the NX design. (And, I know, Rick Berman loved the Akira design, and wanted that one.)
Yeah, it was ridiculous how very TNG everything about Enterprise was. I'd have gone with something like Deadalus, with everything else being DY-class stuff like the one Khan was in. Modified submarine hulls, basically. All the tech needed to be a lot lower as well, especially for the 22nd century. If you're going the early 23rd, you could go Bonaventure class and close to TOS tech but slower, weaker and no transporters and such with a cramped vessel.
Wasn't ridiculous in the slightest. It was all designed how we would design it now. Just as the DY series was a 1960s idea of our first craft and the Phoenix and Friendship One were 90s ideas of our future, the NX was a 00s look at it.
The Daedalus would have looked ridiculous in the 00s, it's less advanced that what we can build now (not in space obviously). We've moved past making things out of corrugated aluminium. We certainly wouldn't be building anything that looks like a submarine. If anything, in real life we're looking at Vulcan designs as what we'd come up with.
And the Bonaventure is not early 2300s. It's most likely contemporaneous with the Daedalus as it was the first ship with warp drive (presumable in the Federation as a joined entity) and is at least three generations old, 'the crews decedents', not children or grandchildren, decedents.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
This is why I have issues with Drexler's NX Refit design - it just feels too soon in the timeline for that.
It does, and we still have the Kelvin, Newton, Mayflower, and Armstrong/Excelsior to get through in canon before the familiar Constitution design appears.
Of those, only the Kelvin existed prior to Nero's incursion, the other designs can be easily jettisoned out of canon for prime timeline purposes.
No, they clearly were built at the same time as the Kelvin, a ship that is old and falling to bits even by the time it's destroyed. You can see in Kirks simulator they even have the same old bridge design. They are just used into the KTs TOS era in the same way the Miranda and the E*******r are used into DS9. The are prime canon.
That's just conjecture. No one else has to respect your head canon. You are, right now, in another thread talking about "lithium crystals" to undermine the idea that canon matters at all, but when it comes to your canon, that's sacrosanct. Got it.
This is why I have issues with Drexler's NX Refit design - it just feels too soon in the timeline for that.
It does, and we still have the Kelvin, Newton, Mayflower, and Armstrong/Excelsior to get through in canon before the familiar Constitution design appears.
Of those, only the Kelvin existed prior to Nero's incursion, the other designs can be easily jettisoned out of canon for prime timeline purposes.
No, they clearly were built at the same time as the Kelvin, a ship that is old and falling to bits even by the time it's destroyed. You can see in Kirks simulator they even have the same old bridge design. They are just used into the KTs TOS era in the same way the Miranda and the E*******r are used into DS9. The are prime canon.
No. No it's not. Quality is a measurable thing. Quality of actors, directing, filming styles, lighting, set quality, script and so on, all tangible things.
All depends on what you value. I also think many of the fan works are better than anything post-TNG, especially the craporama that was ENT and VOY.
Sure, sure. They're not, but if you would rather watch three blokes in a shed and a trial copy of Adobe After Effects over DS9, go ahead, just expect to be mocked for believing that even five blokes and a Premier copy of AAE could rival production TV series or film.
For some people, canon / consistency and adherence to a certain style and tone that fits with what they fell in love with in the first place is most important. Some people want things to be changed to fit the style and sensibilities of the current time, and for some production values and slick visuals and action are what appeals to them.
Ah, so you're of the type of arrogance that believes people are easily detracted by bright colours and explosions? Could it possibly be that you are so blind you haven't even seen that TOS didn't stick to its own canon and dropped its style as soon as motion picture budgets were available. You have your rose tinted glasses on so tight they've shattered and pierced your brain.
It's not hard to figure out what fans like me want. Unfortunately, we aren't getting it from official sources and haven't for many years, because the people who want "fresh and modern" are in charge.
Odd that. How people who understand how media must change as audiences change are in charge of TV nowadays.
If the people you look up to (stick-in-the-mud types) were in charge, we'd all still be watching black and white silent films shot on handheld cameras with less resolution than a mobile phone and cursing all the young 'uns with their damn talkies and their fandangled technicolor.
If you cared about TOS or TNG or the fan shows on a personal level, you'd we off quietly watching them or posting threads about how much you like them, you're not, you're simply polluting everybody else's threads with insults to their taste over something their waiting to see. If you don't like something, go forth and ignore it, if you like something, feel free to gush about it 'till your heart's content. TOS is 85% steaming cra.p in my opinion, I'm at least polite (yeah, even me) enough to not go into somebodies TOS appreciation thread and tell them that.
Though I have done that with the E*******r to be fair, but that's a special exception. It's an ugly ship.
Oh come on . Really? I knew you were mad (you like the E*******r) but is there no end to your depravity?
sometimes amateurs do better than pro. I reember show time at the apollo, the best guys there were amateurs 97% of the time.
and, for quite some time, Hollywood, and television in general, have been TRIBBLE.
Here's another fun interview with the two showrunners, about respecting canon. I found this of particular interest:
There are some areas of Trek canon that Discovery’s showrunners simply will not touch. The Romulans, for example, are a “no-go,” Harberts told me, because their appearance in the Original Series episode “Balance of Terror” is supposed to be the Federation’s first face-to-face encounter with the species. Other areas offer more wiggle room. The trick, Berg said, is figuring out which parts of canon are too sacred to toy with and which leave some undiscovered country ripe for further exploration. “Any kind of canon is like Scripture. There’s some interpretation going on,” she said. “I really find that my favorite creative people can look at those boundaries and say, there’s so much room within to play. Instead of going outside the lines, we can dig deeper within the boundaries that exist.”
This is why I have issues with Drexler's NX Refit design - it just feels too soon in the timeline for that.
It does, and we still have the Kelvin, Newton, Mayflower, and Armstrong/Excelsior to get through in canon before the familiar Constitution design appears.
Not to mention the Daedelus, which should have been the NX design. (And, I know, Rick Berman loved the Akira design, and wanted that one.)
Yeah, it was ridiculous how very TNG everything about Enterprise was. I'd have gone with something like Deadalus, with everything else being DY-class stuff like the one Khan was in. Modified submarine hulls, basically. All the tech needed to be a lot lower as well, especially for the 22nd century. If you're going the early 23rd, you could go Bonaventure class and close to TOS tech but slower, weaker and no transporters and such with a cramped vessel.
No love for the XCV-330 Enterprise? Its honestly super weird that they didn't completely retcon that ship out of existence when Enterprise was made...
In hindsight I think it would have been really cool if the UESPA fleet didn't have nacelles as part of their ship aesthetics. Imagine if all the United Earth ships in Enterprise were all based on the XCV and DY style asthetics. Top that off by shedding the Starfleet organization structure and make it more of a NASA style space agency and Enterprise would have really stood out as something fresh for the franchise. It would have also shown how much Earth gained from the Federation forming and the pooling of so much knowledge from alien civilizations.
Now obviously the monkey wrench in this is the Phoenix, but they could have just as easily have given that craft rings instead of nacelles. Keep the missile shape with a handful of small warp rings and you would essentially have a lone nacelle with a cockpit instead of a bussard collector.
I'm tempted to make this my personal headcanon for how the TOS history was before all the time travel contamination started retconning things.
The shape of the NX-01 was probably in large based on ensuring that people wold recognize it as Trek.
Otherwise, I think they should have gone in a different direction. I would have kept the two nacelles as the human design for warp engines, but probably did something different with the rest of the ship. Maybe upscale the concept of the Phoenix?
And then have another species like the Tellarite bring other elements that we later see - for example, the concept of a saucer section separated from the warp engine, but yet another shape for the warp engine that we have not seen elsewhere.
So we could see that the 4 founding species brought different design aspects into the Federation ship design that ultimately led to the classic Saucer, Engineering, Pylons and Nacelles design we are familiar with.
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That's just conjecture. No one else has to respect your head canon. You are, right now, in another thread talking about "lithium crystals" to undermine the idea that canon matters at all, but when it comes to your canon, that's sacrosanct. Got it.
Correct, however it's what sensible people call 'a conclusion', now hold on because this might be a bit advanced for you judging by your capacity to read, but sometimes we aren't directly told everything in dialogue, sometimes you have to draw conclusions based on the visual presentation. The Stargazer uses Constitution refit parts to visually show it is not the Galaxy, it is not of the Galaxy's era, and it is a very old ship contemporaneous with the Constitution refit, to this end it uses the same style of bridge as well. The situation is identical with the Olympic in AGT and the Newton et al. in 09. They are old ships of a older period to highlight the contrast with the modern KonsTitution.
You are, right now, in another thread talking about "lithium crystals" to undermine the idea that canon matters at all, but when it comes to your canon, that's sacrosanct. Got it.
Incorrect, an inability to read is a little bit of a flaw when you're talking online, however I'll break it down, continuity dosn't matter, canon does. lithium vs. dilithium is a matter of continuity, hence the word retcon, retroactive continuity. IF canon was changed then it would be a reboot not a retcon. This is hardly a view I've hidden from you, it's been one of my main points for months.
Yes, we know you refuse to understand that prequels must maintain canon and consistency with the source material and what is established for the time period. You've said that a thousand times now. Others strongly disagree.
Incorrect on both counts. To be a prequel or sequel to a work the new work must be set in the same franchise as decided upon by whomever owns the franchise. That's it. If you believe I said whatever you thought I did a thousand time I've obviously not said it enough time or you're particularly resistant to opposing ideas. Specifically the inability to accept that TOS messed with its own continuity more than any other show in the franchise has. Or was my quote here insufficient?
True, but he had no need to lie about the name of his planet, or the number of moons it has (seriously, did he think that thing from TMP could be kept secret from anyone?), he also had no need to grin like a loon or yell at the computer or kidnapped crewmembers on-board his lithium powered, time-warp breaking, warp 14 travelling, laser firing, United Earth starship of the United Earth Space Probe Agency whilst wearing his yellow uniform.
I maintain your brain has been pierced with so many shards of your rose tinted glasses you are unable to see anything any more and simply rely on nostalgic memories.
Otherwise, I think they should have gone in a different direction. I would have kept the two nacelles as the human design for warp engines, but probably did something different with the rest of the ship. Maybe upscale the concept of the Phoenix?
I spend so long having to defend ENT against bizarre double standards I never really get to give my own opinion, but I agree with this. I think the Warp Delta or SS Emmett would have made a better Earth ship design, leading only the nacelles to the Federation fleet. The Tellerite could have given the saucer, neck, and hull arrangement, the Andorians the weapons, shields, and hull colour, and the Vulcans the sensors and deflectors.
The Warp Delta or SS Emmett still look familiar and also much more modern and spaceship like than the 1960s DY ships or the Phoenix but still not Federation enough.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
He mainly does comic book stuff, Star Wars, and stuff like GoT and Rick & Morty... I don't think he's followed the production that closely, and it's tough to gauge how much of a Trek fan he is.
Still, pretty positive review, from the sounds of it!
yeah, not surprising; i expect a lot of the reviews from outside the trek fandom will be positive and a lot of those from within will be negative - not all, but a lot
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Big deal. Neither are fan films, and some of them are way better than what CBS has done in the past 12 years.
To be fair, I can't blame them, the woman is stunning, and has absolutely amazing poise.
That's not enough to make me want to watch the show, but I can understand why they've done what they've done with her in terms of promotional material
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It's nice to see a cadet amongst the crew, it'll be interesting to see how the character is handled and developed
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No fan production, not even Continues (the only TV quality one) has come close to ENT (as hit and miss as it was) or the KT films.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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So, by episode three, we'll know more about the Discovery herself (and, presumably, the "new way to fly" stuff). This is why I may wait to activate my All Access sub until Monday, so I can get three episodes within the free trial. I'm very intrigued by this ship, and I want to see what the PTBs have cooked up.
Also interesting was the comments about Enterprise. They are being pretty respectful of that show, and are apparently treating is as equal canon. It touches on some of my issues with ENT, though... they tried to cram way too much, in terms of building early canon. This is why I have issues with Drexler's NX Refit design - it just feels too soon in the timeline for that. No surprise that B&B mismanaged canon, regardless of supposed studio interference... but, it would be cool to find out what DSC wanted to do that ENT prevents them from doing.
It does, and we still have the Kelvin, Newton, Mayflower, and Armstrong/Excelsior to get through in canon before the familiar Constitution design appears.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Not to mention the Daedelus, which should have been the NX design. (And, I know, Rick Berman loved the Akira design, and wanted that one.)
And the Bonaventure...
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Of those, only the Kelvin existed prior to Nero's incursion, the other designs can be easily jettisoned out of canon for prime timeline purposes.
Love that ship, it's so kawaii!
No, they clearly were built at the same time as the Kelvin, a ship that is old and falling to bits even by the time it's destroyed. You can see in Kirks simulator they even have the same old bridge design. They are just used into the KTs TOS era in the same way the Miranda and the E*******r are used into DS9. The are prime canon.
No. No it's not. Quality is a measurable thing. Quality of actors, directing, filming styles, lighting, set quality, script and so on, all tangible things.
Sure, sure. They're not, but if you would rather watch three blokes in a shed and a trial copy of Adobe After Effects over DS9, go ahead, just expect to be mocked for believing that even five blokes and a Premier copy of AAE could rival production TV series or film.
Ah, so you're of the type of arrogance that believes people are easily detracted by bright colours and explosions? Could it possibly be that you are so blind you haven't even seen that TOS didn't stick to its own canon and dropped its style as soon as motion picture budgets were available. You have your rose tinted glasses on so tight they've shattered and pierced your brain.
Odd that. How people who understand how media must change as audiences change are in charge of TV nowadays.
If the people you look up to (stick-in-the-mud types) were in charge, we'd all still be watching black and white silent films shot on handheld cameras with less resolution than a mobile phone and cursing all the young 'uns with their damn talkies and their fandangled technicolor.
If you cared about TOS or TNG or the fan shows on a personal level, you'd we off quietly watching them or posting threads about how much you like them, you're not, you're simply polluting everybody else's threads with insults to their taste over something their waiting to see. If you don't like something, go forth and ignore it, if you like something, feel free to gush about it 'till your heart's content. TOS is 85% steaming cra.p in my opinion, I'm at least polite (yeah, even me) enough to not go into somebodies TOS appreciation thread and tell them that.
Though I have done that with the E*******r to be fair, but that's a special exception. It's an ugly ship.
Oh come on
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Wasn't ridiculous in the slightest. It was all designed how we would design it now. Just as the DY series was a 1960s idea of our first craft and the Phoenix and Friendship One were 90s ideas of our future, the NX was a 00s look at it.
The Daedalus would have looked ridiculous in the 00s, it's less advanced that what we can build now (not in space obviously). We've moved past making things out of corrugated aluminium. We certainly wouldn't be building anything that looks like a submarine. If anything, in real life we're looking at Vulcan designs as what we'd come up with.
And the Bonaventure is not early 2300s. It's most likely contemporaneous with the Daedalus as it was the first ship with warp drive (presumable in the Federation as a joined entity) and is at least three generations old, 'the crews decedents', not children or grandchildren, decedents.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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That's just conjecture. No one else has to respect your head canon. You are, right now, in another thread talking about "lithium crystals" to undermine the idea that canon matters at all, but when it comes to your canon, that's sacrosanct. Got it.
and, for quite some time, Hollywood, and television in general, have been TRIBBLE.
Anyhoo... here is an interview with some of the DSC designers, talking Klingons:
It's funny that people criticize the Klingons for being a monoculture, yet when someone actually tries to add nuance, people lose their minds!
No love for the XCV-330 Enterprise? Its honestly super weird that they didn't completely retcon that ship out of existence when Enterprise was made...
In hindsight I think it would have been really cool if the UESPA fleet didn't have nacelles as part of their ship aesthetics. Imagine if all the United Earth ships in Enterprise were all based on the XCV and DY style asthetics. Top that off by shedding the Starfleet organization structure and make it more of a NASA style space agency and Enterprise would have really stood out as something fresh for the franchise. It would have also shown how much Earth gained from the Federation forming and the pooling of so much knowledge from alien civilizations.
Now obviously the monkey wrench in this is the Phoenix, but they could have just as easily have given that craft rings instead of nacelles. Keep the missile shape with a handful of small warp rings and you would essentially have a lone nacelle with a cockpit instead of a bussard collector.
I'm tempted to make this my personal headcanon for how the TOS history was before all the time travel contamination started retconning things.
Otherwise, I think they should have gone in a different direction. I would have kept the two nacelles as the human design for warp engines, but probably did something different with the rest of the ship. Maybe upscale the concept of the Phoenix?
And then have another species like the Tellarite bring other elements that we later see - for example, the concept of a saucer section separated from the warp engine, but yet another shape for the warp engine that we have not seen elsewhere.
So we could see that the 4 founding species brought different design aspects into the Federation ship design that ultimately led to the classic Saucer, Engineering, Pylons and Nacelles design we are familiar with.
Correct, however it's what sensible people call 'a conclusion', now hold on because this might be a bit advanced for you judging by your capacity to read, but sometimes we aren't directly told everything in dialogue, sometimes you have to draw conclusions based on the visual presentation. The Stargazer uses Constitution refit parts to visually show it is not the Galaxy, it is not of the Galaxy's era, and it is a very old ship contemporaneous with the Constitution refit, to this end it uses the same style of bridge as well. The situation is identical with the Olympic in AGT and the Newton et al. in 09. They are old ships of a older period to highlight the contrast with the modern KonsTitution.
Incorrect, an inability to read is a little bit of a flaw when you're talking online, however I'll break it down, continuity dosn't matter, canon does. lithium vs. dilithium is a matter of continuity, hence the word retcon, retroactive continuity. IF canon was changed then it would be a reboot not a retcon. This is hardly a view I've hidden from you, it's been one of my main points for months.
Incorrect on both counts. To be a prequel or sequel to a work the new work must be set in the same franchise as decided upon by whomever owns the franchise. That's it. If you believe I said whatever you thought I did a thousand time I've obviously not said it enough time or you're particularly resistant to opposing ideas. Specifically the inability to accept that TOS messed with its own continuity more than any other show in the franchise has. Or was my quote here insufficient?
I maintain your brain has been pierced with so many shards of your rose tinted glasses you are unable to see anything any more and simply rely on nostalgic memories.
Why would they? It's a perfectly reasonable concept for humanities first warp ship produced with the Vulcans.
I spend so long having to defend ENT against bizarre double standards I never really get to give my own opinion, but I agree with this. I think the Warp Delta or SS Emmett would have made a better Earth ship design, leading only the nacelles to the Federation fleet. The Tellerite could have given the saucer, neck, and hull arrangement, the Andorians the weapons, shields, and hull colour, and the Vulcans the sensors and deflectors.
The Warp Delta or SS Emmett still look familiar and also much more modern and spaceship like than the 1960s DY ships or the Phoenix but still not Federation enough.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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He mainly does comic book stuff, Star Wars, and stuff like GoT and Rick & Morty... I don't think he's followed the production that closely, and it's tough to gauge how much of a Trek fan he is.
Still, pretty positive review, from the sounds of it!
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