Don't like them (even with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
It's strange, I've always heard good things about the Vanilla forum software, I can only guess that the serveradmins barely know what they're doing with it. I'd love to see the old forum software come back, at least it always worked without any issues (that I know of)
@belidos vonro never tried the enhancement. If you still don't like the forums after installing it, that's dandy. Point was, vonro didn't try it otherwise they would have known that things they complained about, the enhancement currently covers. Please read the posts for context next time.
I did read the posts and there is no context, all there is is you assuming he hadn't tried the enhancements, yes he said he didn't like that the forums didn't have the same features you list in your enhancement, but that doesn't mean he didn't try the enhancement.
He could have tried the enhancement but still stated he didn't like that the base forum doesn't have those features because he believes they should have been as standard and not third party.
For all you know your enhancement may have even swayed him into not liking the forum because those enhancements should have been standard and your enhancements highlighted that fact to him after he tried them.
A 3rd party JS injection by and maintained by Asterelle that fixes problems and adds enhancements as well as incorporating a theme management system with themes by various community members.
It's strange, I've always heard good things about the Vanilla forum software, I can only guess that the serveradmins barely know what they're doing with it. I'd love to see the old forum software come back, at least it always worked without any issues (that I know of)
Lol. The 'serveradmins' are from the same company that developed Vanilla ... this is a Vanilla-hosted site.
It's strange, I've always heard good things about the Vanilla forum software, I can only guess that the serveradmins barely know what they're doing with it. I'd love to see the old forum software come back, at least it always worked without any issues (that I know of)
Lol. The 'serveradmins' are from the same company that developed Vanilla ... this is a Vanilla-hosted site.
Adding to that, from what I recall, to get anything serious done, Trendy has to request Vanilla's people to do it rather than just tear into the code herself.
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It's strange, I've always heard good things about the Vanilla forum software, I can only guess that the serveradmins barely know what they're doing with it. I'd love to see the old forum software come back, at least it always worked without any issues (that I know of)
Lol. The 'serveradmins' are from the same company that developed Vanilla ... this is a Vanilla-hosted site.
It's the same company, but a completely different team and they're pretty much useless, either that or they're lazy and just don't care, I've used them before a few times, never again.
Don't like them (even with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
One thing I hate about this new forum, is how it unloads, then reloads a page whenever you change page at all.
i.e. it goes a little like this
Me - clicky on linky!
Forum - Loads the complete page more or less instantly....UNLOADS and page goes blank, staying blank for several seconds...then reloads the page again, from scratch.
In all, it makes this forum a far more frustrating experience for me than any other forum I have ever used.
EDIT to add...
Another thing that bugs me is the way it doesn't scale horizontally very well any more. Other pages (even the old forum) would scale properly and add a scroll bar at the bottom whenever I moved the window to the side to make it take half the screen (often to keep an eye on something else while I'm reading the forum).
This new one doesn't scale well nor does it add a scroll bar at the bottom to scroll horizontally, something which would make this forum a wee bit more tolerable for sure.
One thing I hate about this new forum, is how it unloads, then reloads a page whenever you change page at all.
i.e. it goes a little like this
Me - clicky on linky!
Forum - Loads the complete page more or less instantly....UNLOADS and page goes blank, staying blank for several seconds...then reloads the page again, from scratch.
In all, it makes this forum a far more frustrating experience for me than any other forum I have ever used.
so why did you stop using the enhancement? it fixed that problem.
Another thing that bugs me is the way it doesn't scale horizontally very well any more. Other pages (even the old forum) would scale properly and add a scroll bar at the bottom whenever I moved the window to the side to make it take half the screen (often to keep an eye on something else while I'm reading the forum).
This new one doesn't scale well nor does it add a scroll bar at the bottom to scroll horizontally, something which would make this forum a wee bit more tolerable for sure.
thats the first time i have ever seen somebody that likes horizontal scrollbars. what resolution is your monitor running at?
One thing I hate about this new forum, is how it unloads, then reloads a page whenever you change page at all.
i.e. it goes a little like this
Me - clicky on linky!
Forum - Loads the complete page more or less instantly....UNLOADS and page goes blank, staying blank for several seconds...then reloads the page again, from scratch.
In all, it makes this forum a far more frustrating experience for me than any other forum I have ever used.
so why did you stop using the enhancement? it fixed that problem.
Where have I ever said that I started using that? I never have.
Another thing that bugs me is the way it doesn't scale horizontally very well any more. Other pages (even the old forum) would scale properly and add a scroll bar at the bottom whenever I moved the window to the side to make it take half the screen (often to keep an eye on something else while I'm reading the forum).
This new one doesn't scale well nor does it add a scroll bar at the bottom to scroll horizontally, something which would make this forum a wee bit more tolerable for sure.
thats the first time i have ever seen somebody that likes horizontal scrollbars. what resolution is your monitor running at?
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1920x1080.
You do understand what I do with windows when I'm multitasking, yes? i.e. Using the "windows snap" feature so that a window takes up 1/2 of the screen, leaving the other half clear to do the same with another window. A real godsend when reading a readme while installing something, or comparing two sets of lists etc.
Without the horizontal scroll bar, there is no way to scroll horizontally without using the arrow keys on the keyboard. It's (afaik) impossible to scroll smoothly that way. It just means another click on the window I have the forum up in, then using arrow keys to scroll. With the old forum, I could just click and drag using the scroll bar to wherever I wanted, smoothly. It isn't a huge deal, but it's kinda annoying.
Truthfully, I don't know how anyone could have any strong feelings towards them, other than missing them when they aren't there.
so why did you stop using the enhancement? it fixed that problem.
Where have I ever said that I started using that? I never have.
your poll choice suggests that you used the enhancement, yet still didnt like the board.
'Don't like them (even with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)'
1920x1080.
You do understand what I do with windows when I'm multitasking, yes? i.e. Using the "windows snap" feature so that a window takes up 1/2 of the screen, leaving the other half clear to do the same with another window. A real godsend when reading a readme while installing something, or comparing two sets of lists etc.
Without the horizontal scroll bar, there is no way to scroll horizontally without using the arrow keys on the keyboard. It's (afaik) impossible to scroll smoothly that way. It just means another click on the window I have the forum up in, then using arrow keys to scroll. With the old forum, I could just click and drag using the scroll bar to wherever I wanted, smoothly. It isn't a huge deal, but it's kinda annoying.
Truthfully, I don't know how anyone could have any strong feelings towards them, other than missing them when they aren't there.
there is a horizontal scrollbar (in chrome at least) when the window is narrowed if youre using the enhancement.
It's strange, I've always heard good things about the Vanilla forum software, I can only guess that the serveradmins barely know what they're doing with it. I'd love to see the old forum software come back, at least it always worked without any issues (that I know of)
Lol. The 'serveradmins' are from the same company that developed Vanilla ... this is a Vanilla-hosted site.
It's the same company, but a completely different team and they're pretty much useless, either that or they're lazy and just don't care, I've used them before a few times, never again.
I've heard some complaints along those lines myself. It seems strange given that I've also heard that the software itself is pretty good.
The forums are still terrible, but people are just get used to em. Now that people is used to it the forums will never change...
I have a strong hunch that Trendy is nowhere near used to it and we're going to see whatever changes she can make happen. But it's going to take some time and she may not get everything she wants, let alone whatever we want. I'm out of the loop though, so I don't know how much headway she's been able to make or what the high muckety-mucks have decided to do. Keep asking for improvements. Or demanding them, if you're inclined that way
I'm not terribly in hate of the new forums, but I don't particularly like everything about them either and there are a bunch of annoyances I may never get used to if they don't get changed out of existence. I don't like the limited preference options. I don't like the navigation limitations. I want to be able to hide threads and posts I don't want to see, not just categories. We still lack an ignore function. And I wish the notification options were more granular, like per-thread notifications, and easy to turn on and off for individual threads.
My alternative is to refuse to use the new forums at all, but that seems to be a self-defeating tactic to me. So we use what we've got. The only limitation I've imposed on it is refusing to log in with my game account.
I'm not terribly in hate of the new forums, but I don't particularly like everything about them either and there are a bunch of annoyances I may never get used to if they don't get changed out of existence.
On the other hand, I had that view when the first poll was asked, and refused to vote in the poll, but I now hate them and have voted as such in the poll. Instead of improving, they have gotten worse, especially with the forced redirect into frames; previously functional features have now been broken, and already-extant issues have not been fixed.
Don't like them (even with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
Actually, a "moon" speaks of a full Lunar Cycle. "Many moons" equates to "many months," of which not even one has passed since the migration.
And it's horrible. Always will be, too. All the built up discussions, all the pointers, knowledge, lore, stories and information is now completely scattered and inaccessible. Searching for an STO topic on google takers one to the old forums, which loads of "Hey! We've moved and ain't it cool!!!111oneoneononeeeon!" page. It was a horrible idea that was horribly implemented, and even more horribly supported. Whomever thought it up, let alone the one that rubber-stamped it, should be publicly shamed and forced back into janitorial duties.
Vanilla was, is, and always will be one of the most garbage systems for a message board. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Stardestroyer.net is better than this, and not only is it ancient and decrepit, it's bare bones, still works, and is effectively abandoned by it's owner.
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I dislike them enough that I can't be bothered to even look for the fixes from asterelle and nrglg. Having to re-authenticate myself with a PIN (or use the Arc browser) every single time I log in is a pain in the aft. I miss the old forums...
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With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
Seriously they should have taken the time and resources used moving the forums to this god awful Vanilla thing and fixed the bugs inthe game instead!
Well time isn't really an issue there, since the people working on the game are not the same people working on the website... That'd be like asking your mechanic to give you a haircut.
Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
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Don't like them (even with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
[quote= It's obvious you didn't use enhancement extension, so why did you select option 4? Because several of your complaints have been covered.
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You assume that I never installed or muddled with the extensions and mods. From your small window and corner of the planet you can't tell how many machines I use to access the forums. Nor can you say which machines have the new updates and which ones do not. Instead of assuming I have never used them, just take the feedback & the vote for what they are. Disapproval, appropriately categorized.
To clarify; I use 4 different machines in 2 different locations/buildings -1 machine can NOT install the extensions & mods. That box is not permitted to make such changes. Don't ask why, it's just the way things are done at my place of work. I have 2 machines with the updates and I still do not like the forums. Hence the choice selected for my vote. The last machine I run without the extensions & updates because, quite frankly, I see no point to it.
I don't have to carry a battery around to turn on a light in my house. I pay my utility bill and flip the switch. I should not have to install a battery to use that daggum switch. Why the heck should I need new community extensions to use a forum? Sure, I could do so. But I should NOT have to rely on the community to fix something that should be a simple 'out-of-the-box' sort of deal.
Hope that all makes sense. If not, I guess it's back to kindergarten for everyone. heh
You assume that I never installed or muddled with the extensions and mods. From your small window and corner of the planet you can't tell how many machines I use to access the forums. Nor can you say which machines have the new updates and which ones do not. Instead of assuming I have never used them, just take the feedback & the vote for what they are. Disapproval, appropriately categorized.
To clarify; I use 4 different machines in 2 different locations/buildings -1 machine can NOT install the extensions & mods. That box is not permitted to make such changes. Don't ask why, it's just the way things are done at my place of work. I have 2 machines with the updates and I still do not like the forums. Hence the choice selected for my vote. The last machine I run without the extensions & updates because, quite frankly, I see no point to it.
I don't have to carry a battery around to turn on a light in my house. I pay my utility bill and flip the switch. I should not have to install a battery to use that daggum switch. Why the heck should I need new community extensions to use a forum? Sure, I could do so. But I should NOT have to rely on the community to fix something that should be a simple 'out-of-the-box' sort of deal.
Hope that all makes sense. If not, I guess it's back to kindergarten for everyone. heh
of course
the only thing this poll has demonstrated is that huge proportion of people cant even read the names on a ballot before casting their vote.
what is the world coming to?
Don't like them (even with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
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@vonro Just wondering if you found the versions with enhancements more or less user friendly than the basic non enhanced version?
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You assume that I never installed or muddled with the extensions and mods. From your small window and corner of the planet you can't tell how many machines I use to access the forums. Nor can you say which machines have the new updates and which ones do not. Instead of assuming I have never used them, just take the feedback & the vote for what they are. Disapproval, appropriately categorized.
I would classify you as an abnormal/outlier. Take a moment to read other posts and it becomes obvious why I assumed what you were doing. Most people do not have that many machines. I personally have 5 computers at my house plus various smaller other devices, but most don't. Also, most people don't even bother to try the enhancement and then vote number 4 and complain about the issues it covers. Take a second to look on page 7 and you will see someone that did that very thing on that page (also read back and you'll see it done a few other times). I saw a pattern and you fit with the general pattern. You've made it clear now that you are not in that pattern, but I hope you'll see what I did. I reasonably came to that conclusion based on past posters.
I don't have to carry a battery around to turn on a light in my house. I pay my utility bill and flip the switch. I should not have to install a battery to use that daggum switch. Why the heck should I need new community extensions to use a forum? Sure, I could do so. But I should NOT have to rely on the community to fix something that should be a simple 'out-of-the-box' sort of deal.
If only life was that perfect, huh? However, like I wrote in my signature...
If you complain, are given a suggestion on how to alleviate problems, and you choose to do nothing and complain more; then you have no one to blame for the problems other than yourself. The world is not and will never be tailored for you. Sometimes you need to make the step to make it tailor to you.
That is my stance on this and it will not change.
You assume that I never installed or muddled with the extensions and mods. From your small window and corner of the planet you can't tell how many machines I use to access the forums. Nor can you say which machines have the new updates and which ones do not. Instead of assuming I have never used them, just take the feedback & the vote for what they are. Disapproval, appropriately categorized.
To clarify; I use 4 different machines in 2 different locations/buildings -1 machine can NOT install the extensions & mods. That box is not permitted to make such changes. Don't ask why, it's just the way things are done at my place of work. I have 2 machines with the updates and I still do not like the forums. Hence the choice selected for my vote. The last machine I run without the extensions & updates because, quite frankly, I see no point to it.
I don't have to carry a battery around to turn on a light in my house. I pay my utility bill and flip the switch. I should not have to install a battery to use that daggum switch. Why the heck should I need new community extensions to use a forum? Sure, I could do so. But I should NOT have to rely on the community to fix something that should be a simple 'out-of-the-box' sort of deal.
Hope that all makes sense. If not, I guess it's back to kindergarten for everyone. heh
of course
the only thing this poll has demonstrated is that huge proportion of people cant even read the names on a ballot before casting their vote.
what is the world coming to?
i have also arrived at that same conclusion, although to be fair, we are all probably guilty of that on occasion.
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I did read the posts and there is no context, all there is is you assuming he hadn't tried the enhancements, yes he said he didn't like that the forums didn't have the same features you list in your enhancement, but that doesn't mean he didn't try the enhancement.
He could have tried the enhancement but still stated he didn't like that the base forum doesn't have those features because he believes they should have been as standard and not third party.
For all you know your enhancement may have even swayed him into not liking the forum because those enhancements should have been standard and your enhancements highlighted that fact to him after he tried them.
Lol. The 'serveradmins' are from the same company that developed Vanilla ... this is a Vanilla-hosted site.
Adding to that, from what I recall, to get anything serious done, Trendy has to request Vanilla's people to do it rather than just tear into the code herself.
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It's the same company, but a completely different team and they're pretty much useless, either that or they're lazy and just don't care, I've used them before a few times, never again.
i.e. it goes a little like this
Me - clicky on linky!
Forum - Loads the complete page more or less instantly....UNLOADS and page goes blank, staying blank for several seconds...then reloads the page again, from scratch.
In all, it makes this forum a far more frustrating experience for me than any other forum I have ever used.
EDIT to add...
Another thing that bugs me is the way it doesn't scale horizontally very well any more. Other pages (even the old forum) would scale properly and add a scroll bar at the bottom whenever I moved the window to the side to make it take half the screen (often to keep an eye on something else while I'm reading the forum).
This new one doesn't scale well nor does it add a scroll bar at the bottom to scroll horizontally, something which would make this forum a wee bit more tolerable for sure.
thats the first time i have ever seen somebody that likes horizontal scrollbars. what resolution is your monitor running at?
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Where have I ever said that I started using that? I never have.
thats the first time i have ever seen somebody that likes horizontal scrollbars. what resolution is your monitor running at?
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1920x1080.
You do understand what I do with windows when I'm multitasking, yes? i.e. Using the "windows snap" feature so that a window takes up 1/2 of the screen, leaving the other half clear to do the same with another window. A real godsend when reading a readme while installing something, or comparing two sets of lists etc.
Without the horizontal scroll bar, there is no way to scroll horizontally without using the arrow keys on the keyboard. It's (afaik) impossible to scroll smoothly that way. It just means another click on the window I have the forum up in, then using arrow keys to scroll. With the old forum, I could just click and drag using the scroll bar to wherever I wanted, smoothly. It isn't a huge deal, but it's kinda annoying.
Truthfully, I don't know how anyone could have any strong feelings towards them, other than missing them when they aren't there.
'Don't like them (even with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)'
there is a horizontal scrollbar (in chrome at least) when the window is narrowed if youre using the enhancement.
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I've heard some complaints along those lines myself. It seems strange given that I've also heard that the software itself is pretty good.
I have a strong hunch that Trendy is nowhere near used to it and we're going to see whatever changes she can make happen. But it's going to take some time and she may not get everything she wants, let alone whatever we want. I'm out of the loop though, so I don't know how much headway she's been able to make or what the high muckety-mucks have decided to do. Keep asking for improvements. Or demanding them, if you're inclined that way
I'm not terribly in hate of the new forums, but I don't particularly like everything about them either and there are a bunch of annoyances I may never get used to if they don't get changed out of existence. I don't like the limited preference options. I don't like the navigation limitations. I want to be able to hide threads and posts I don't want to see, not just categories. We still lack an ignore function. And I wish the notification options were more granular, like per-thread notifications, and easy to turn on and off for individual threads.
My alternative is to refuse to use the new forums at all, but that seems to be a self-defeating tactic to me. So we use what we've got. The only limitation I've imposed on it is refusing to log in with my game account.
On the other hand, I had that view when the first poll was asked, and refused to vote in the poll, but I now hate them and have voted as such in the poll. Instead of improving, they have gotten worse, especially with the forced redirect into frames; previously functional features have now been broken, and already-extant issues have not been fixed.
And it's horrible. Always will be, too. All the built up discussions, all the pointers, knowledge, lore, stories and information is now completely scattered and inaccessible. Searching for an STO topic on google takers one to the old forums, which loads of "Hey! We've moved and ain't it cool!!!111oneoneononeeeon!" page. It was a horrible idea that was horribly implemented, and even more horribly supported. Whomever thought it up, let alone the one that rubber-stamped it, should be publicly shamed and forced back into janitorial duties.
Vanilla was, is, and always will be one of the most garbage systems for a message board. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Stardestroyer.net is better than this, and not only is it ancient and decrepit, it's bare bones, still works, and is effectively abandoned by it's owner.
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I dislike them enough that I can't be bothered to even look for the fixes from asterelle and nrglg. Having to re-authenticate myself with a PIN (or use the Arc browser) every single time I log in is a pain in the aft. I miss the old forums...
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Well time isn't really an issue there, since the people working on the game are not the same people working on the website... That'd be like asking your mechanic to give you a haircut.
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You assume that I never installed or muddled with the extensions and mods. From your small window and corner of the planet you can't tell how many machines I use to access the forums. Nor can you say which machines have the new updates and which ones do not. Instead of assuming I have never used them, just take the feedback & the vote for what they are. Disapproval, appropriately categorized.
To clarify; I use 4 different machines in 2 different locations/buildings -1 machine can NOT install the extensions & mods. That box is not permitted to make such changes. Don't ask why, it's just the way things are done at my place of work. I have 2 machines with the updates and I still do not like the forums. Hence the choice selected for my vote. The last machine I run without the extensions & updates because, quite frankly, I see no point to it.
I don't have to carry a battery around to turn on a light in my house. I pay my utility bill and flip the switch. I should not have to install a battery to use that daggum switch. Why the heck should I need new community extensions to use a forum? Sure, I could do so. But I should NOT have to rely on the community to fix something that should be a simple 'out-of-the-box' sort of deal.
Hope that all makes sense. If not, I guess it's back to kindergarten for everyone. heh
You don't need the extensions to use the forum, you need them to make them much better than they are without the extensions. :P
For what it's worth, I've actually noticed that most of the Community Mods and even a few game Devs are using the enhancement extension.
the only thing this poll has demonstrated is that huge proportion of people cant even read the names on a ballot before casting their vote.
what is the world coming to?
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@vonro Just wondering if you found the versions with enhancements more or less user friendly than the basic non enhanced version?
I would classify you as an abnormal/outlier. Take a moment to read other posts and it becomes obvious why I assumed what you were doing. Most people do not have that many machines. I personally have 5 computers at my house plus various smaller other devices, but most don't. Also, most people don't even bother to try the enhancement and then vote number 4 and complain about the issues it covers. Take a second to look on page 7 and you will see someone that did that very thing on that page (also read back and you'll see it done a few other times). I saw a pattern and you fit with the general pattern. You've made it clear now that you are not in that pattern, but I hope you'll see what I did. I reasonably came to that conclusion based on past posters.
If only life was that perfect, huh? However, like I wrote in my signature...
That is my stance on this and it will not change.
i have also arrived at that same conclusion, although to be fair, we are all probably guilty of that on occasion.
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secondly, the only thing i like about these forums is the animated signatures.
thirdly, it is very very very user unfriendly..
i can see why cryptic jumped all over them. they seem to like implementing things they "know" the players will hate..
If they save $, it doesnt matter what they think about the players... they will do it.