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  • alexsanderitaalexsanderita Member Posts: 214 Arc User
    Like them (with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
    I mean, the old forum was worse for the colour layout,

    but this didn't even have the buttons at bottom page to navigate topics, we had to scroll up after each reading. In 2015 this is just nonsense.

    With the enhancements (for which I am grateful) this has become the best STO forum I have ever seen.


    I strongly suggest PWE looks into their work for the updates to the code.​​
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  • storulesstorules Member Posts: 3,286 Arc User
    Don't like them (as they are)
    qziqza wrote: »
    7 days have passed since the Forum migrated, some may have grown accustomed to the new format, some not. Others may have taken advantage of the fixes created by asterelle, nrglg and a few other nice folk, while some may be unaware, as was i, that any changes to the format can be made (link below if you are interested)


    i'm sure we all want the Forums to be fully functional and suitable for use, so understanding why you are making the choices you are are, will hopefully provide useful feedback to help get it there. so a sentence, a few words, even just a grunt may well prove useful.

    please, don't select option 4 unless you have installed and tried the fixes provided by our community

    dont like them at all
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  • qziqzaqziqza Member Posts: 1,044 Arc User
    Like them (with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
    ltminns wrote: »
    You know you can edit Thread Subjects now. Perhaps it's time to update the number of days since Vanilla implemented in the Subject.
    i did not, but now i do, and so i did.. thanks kindly.

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  • nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    Well we're stuck with them so we better learn to love them.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    There is a left pointing arrow at the top of a thread to the left of the word ARC. Press that and you will be brought back to the current Forum's Thread list. As far as going back to the list of Forums, I haven't found a good way to do that but go back to the PWE games list and selecting Star Trek Online and then Forums.
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  • svindal777svindal777 Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    Ask me next week.
    Well excuse me for having enormous flaws that I don't work on.
  • smeeinn1tsmeeinn1t Member Posts: 618 Arc User
    Don't like them (even with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
    I wish I could recast my vote, because quite simply the community enhancements work.

    They just work, simple, easy to use and a lot more user friendly than the vanilla K9uK23z.png. I just have to take my hat off to the people that have put so much time and effort into making these. It's not just that they built these enhancements it's the way that they have constantly engaged the users to find out what people want from a forum. Top guys/girls!
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  • zobovorzobovor Member Posts: 198 Arc User
    Don't like them (even with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
    qziqza wrote: »
    Many Moons have passed since the Forum migrated, some may have grown accustomed to the new format, some not. Others may have taken advantage of the fixes created by asterelle, nrglg and a few other nice folk, while some may be unaware, as was i, that any changes to the format can be made (link below if you are interested)

    Considering that the Mods have not made a "sticky" post for the forum mods -- it could mean that Cryptic (or PW) don't endorse their use .
    Well that , and I have yet to hear of any mobile solution .

    Either way , I still have teh hate for the standard fonts .
    They look TRIBBLE on a normal screen , on an HD screen and on a mobile .

  • nrglgnrglg Member Posts: 447 Arc User
    We've gotten a response from mods about the GMs response to what we're doing, and they are okay with it and even support it while other things are getting handled on their end. The reason no sticky or anything like that has been made is because we don't have a dedicated thread for it.

    As for the mobile thing, yeah, I don't use my phone that much for internet purposes. You're going to have to rely 100% on PWE. tiger-40.gif​​

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  • vonrovonro Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    Don't like them (even with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
    Horrible. Horrible. Horrible. No preview on mouse-hover, no page numbers, no search system, those ungodly-yet-allowed-animated sig banners, and overall "color/theme" is rather awful as well. But then, my eyes are not bleeding from rancid use of eye-popping psychotropic colors. Still though, to channel Yoda: these forums, approve of them I do not.
  • picard51picard51 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    "Many moons have passed.." I just love this community :smiley:
  • nrglgnrglg Member Posts: 447 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    vonro wrote: »
    Horrible. Horrible. Horrible. No preview on mouse-hover, no page numbers, no search system, those ungodly-yet-allowed-animated sig banners, and overall "color/theme" is rather awful as well. But then, my eyes are not bleeding from rancid use of eye-popping psychotropic colors. Still though, to channel Yoda: these forums, approve of them I do not.

    It's obvious you didn't use enhancement extension, so why did you select option 4? Because several of your complaints have been covered.

    * Preview on mouse hover
    * Page numbers
    * There are multiple colors and themes by various people
    * Signature sizes are restricted to their official size of 650x250 (assuming you run global fixes)​​

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  • qziqzaqziqza Member Posts: 1,044 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    Like them (with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
    nrglg wrote: »
    We've gotten a response from mods about the GMs response to what we're doing, and they are okay with it and even support it while other things are getting handled on their end. The reason no sticky or anything like that has been made is because we don't have a dedicated thread for it.

    As for the mobile thing, yeah, I don't use my phone that much for internet purposes. You're going to have to rely 100% on PWE. tiger-40.gif
    onion-58.gif @nrglg thanks the updated info.
    vonro wrote: »
    Horrible. Horrible. Horrible. No preview on mouse-hover, no page numbers, no search system, those ungodly-yet-allowed-animated sig banners, and overall "color/theme" is rather awful as well. But then, my eyes are not bleeding from rancid use of eye-popping psychotropic colors. Still though, to channel Yoda: these forums, approve of them I do not.
    yep, have to totally agree with comment @nrglg gave you, all the things you mentioned are available via the enhancement tool, 2 to 3mins of my time and the forums became a far nicer place with many options to suit my personal tastes. if you haven't tried them, your poll answer doesn't just make 'no sense' it is misrepresenting all the work put into the enhancement tool.
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  • qziqzaqziqza Member Posts: 1,044 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    Like them (with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
    picard51 wrote: »
    "Many moons have passed.." I just love this community :smiley:
    EvQJTrA.png?1 have a tribble captain. LLAP
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  • SeschatSeschat Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    Don't like them (as they are)
    qziqza wrote: »
    nrglg wrote: »
    We've gotten a response from mods about the GMs response to what we're doing, and they are okay with it and even support it while other things are getting handled on their end. The reason no sticky or anything like that has been made is because we don't have a dedicated thread for it.

    As for the mobile thing, yeah, I don't use my phone that much for internet purposes. You're going to have to rely 100% on PWE. tiger-40.gif
    onion-58.gif @nrglg thanks the updated info.
    vonro wrote: »
    Horrible. Horrible. Horrible. No preview on mouse-hover, no page numbers, no search system, those ungodly-yet-allowed-animated sig banners, and overall "color/theme" is rather awful as well. But then, my eyes are not bleeding from rancid use of eye-popping psychotropic colors. Still though, to channel Yoda: these forums, approve of them I do not.
    yep, have to totally agree with comment @nrglg gave you, all the things you mentioned are available via the enhancement tool, 2 to 3mins of my time and the forums became a far nicer place with many options to suit my personal tastes. if you haven't tried them, your poll answer doesn't just make 'no sense' it is misrepresenting all the work put into the enhancement tool.
    ​​

    I'll support vonro here. Several of the machines I view the forum on I do not have the permissions to install modifications to the web browser, simple as that.
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  • darthkuribohdarthkuriboh Member Posts: 211 Arc User
    Don't like them (even with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
    I hate them. I barely come to the forums now because I can't stand this TRIBBLE.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    Do we have a Dev Tracker already?

    If not, I am still not happy.

    I can deal with the bad design thanks to other people providing nice CSS skins for the forums.
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  • nrglgnrglg Member Posts: 447 Arc User
    Seschat wrote: »
    I'll support vonro here. Several of the machines I view the forum on I do not have the permissions to install modifications to the web browser, simple as that.

    That's not the issue. vonro chose option 4 when they should have chosen option 3 if they don't have the ability to install it. Also, what machines are you visiting the forums on? Not a personal one I guess which is confusing to me if you're trying to play an MMO. I'm guessing it's awkward circumstances which I'm not going to pry in to.

    Whatever the case, the enhancement assumes you're an adult with your own personal computer. For everyone else, it's up to PWE to solve it and to that I say...well, they seem to be working on it. At the very least they are inquiring about how to go about fixing things at the moment. So let's all hope. tiger-42.gif​​

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  • farranorfarranor Member Posts: 559 Arc User
    The color scheme is fine. I'm not too picky about that.

    But not being able to preview the first few lines of a thread by hovering the cursor over it in the listing? That's basic functionality.

    And the buttons to navigate between thread pages are now only at the top of the page, so every time you finish reading a page you have to scroll back up to the top... it's technically usable, but I don't think "not literally broken" is a high enough standard. I shouldn't be too surprised, given the "users are physically able to accomplish tasks so it's fine" UI in STO itself.

    This isn't the first forum I've seen that relies on user-generated hacks to spackle over the software's problems. User-generated content is one thing, but if you can't at least create the environment properly, what are you even doing?
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    Don't like them (even with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
    I like them even less now than I did before the forced redirect into frames broke the ability to go to the latest post, the ability to go directly to a post from notifications, and the ability to bookmark individual posts. Posts I bookmarked here at the new fora before the forced redirect into frames are now useless bookmarks in my favorites. The forced redirect into frames also makes the page take longer to load, and makes the page jump around as it's loading. This made things worse, not better, and if it's all about advertising, as some have claimed, yo, G, we already have plenty of that in the Arc client without having to add more in the fora.

    We can no longer delete notifications.

    The language filter still needs significant work.

    We still don't have the forum titles which we paid for restored.

    The flag button cannot be used more than 3 times in less than a minute without the forum giving you an automatic spam block for "posting" too much.

    There is still no way to go to the next page at the bottom of a page.

    The toolbar across the top of the post still doesn't have font color.

    Old (pre-migration) bookmarks still do not redirect to the new location of the post or thread.

    I have yet to hit the character limit in a post, but I'm sure it's just a matter of time. While it's in place to prevent stupidity, responsible parties should not be penalized for the acts of the stupid.

    As for the color scheme, I like it. It's easy on the eyes, unlike blinding white or "let's-be-even-more-pro-Federation blue."


    And no, I'm not going to download the mods for the fora; PWE should fix things instead of expecting us to use third-party stuff to fix things this migration broke, and to fix things they broke when they instituted the forced redirect into frames.
  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,640 Bug Hunter
    Like them (with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
    protogoth wrote: »
    And no, I'm not going to download the mods for the fora; PWE should fix things instead of expecting us to use third-party stuff to fix things this migration broke, and to fix things they broke when they instituted the forced redirect into frames.

    I can understand your position, but really the third party stuff is damned good and I definitely think more people would like it if they tried it. I'm not saying it excuses PWE's poor performance on getting these forums into a usable state but, in my experience, community created content is usually better because it can be tailored more to individual needs. Not to mention that in the last few weeks, not a day has gone by where there hasn't been some feedback related update to the user generated content... yet PWE still haven't even activated page numbers at the bottom of threads, which literally needs about 14 characters worth of code removed from their CSS.

    On the last STO forums I was using custom CSS edits for around two years (since the last forum update) because a lot of the things they broke never got fixed, and still weren't fixed by the time we migrated to Vanilla. So I wouldn't expect miracles here. ​​
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  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    Like them (with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
    i see quite a few people commenting and voting option 4, even though they have never used the enhancement. im interpreting that as 'don't like them and wouldnt even if i tried the fixes'. i suppose i understand the sentiment, but not the vote.

    in short, i dont think the pwe theme is going to get much better. for whatever reason they prioritise hijacking our tabs and forcing them into slow-loading frames over simple usability fixes like the post-content pagination. i get that some ppl might think they arent savvy enough to install an addon, or maybe dont want to out of principle, but if youre waiting on pwe to unveil some snazzy theme any time soon...

    meanwhile in enhancementland, we have themes that pwe have not a hope of offering you:

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    pro blue

    pro-red.thumbnail.png
    pro red

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    pro green

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    va eclipse

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    the blues

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    sto - fed

    GwW3isY.png
    sto - kdf

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    sto - rom

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    beautiful - light


    choose a theme!
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    choose emoticon sets!
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    block users!
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    plus: all the annoyances commonly complained about- fixed. font faces, sizes, and colours in the editor, and much much more!

    chrome, firefox, opera, and internet explorer supported
    https://github.com/asterpw/pwevanillaenhance
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  • nrglgnrglg Member Posts: 447 Arc User
    I don't know if Asterelle is, but I'm a professional software engineer. I'm just doing this stuff for kicks before my vacation ends.​​

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  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,640 Bug Hunter
    Like them (with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
    WOW! I just installed the package and your Federation theme and I am very impressed! I suddenly like these forums a lot better, and am just plain wowed that we live in an age where fans and amateur programmers can make software improvement patches like this that can be attained and implemented by users basically instantly. Living in the future is awesome!

    Glad you're liking the theme! :grin:​​
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  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    Don't like them (even with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
    I'll say THIS forum is awesome after they 'upgrade' to some horrible 1980's style florescent green ASCII block font on black screens with a flashing cursor after C:\PWEFORUM\GENERALDISCUSSION\ [ENTER TEXT HERE]
  • belidosbelidos Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    Don't like them (even with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
    The "turn the page" functionality on my smartphone does not work at all...anyone with ideas on what to use on IOS smartphone to circumvent that?

    On my iPhone scrolling to the bottom reveals simple back, first, last, forward buttons which work fine for me.
  • belidosbelidos Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    Don't like them (even with the fixes from asterelle and nrglg)
    nrglg wrote: »
    Seschat wrote: »
    I'll support vonro here. Several of the machines I view the forum on I do not have the permissions to install modifications to the web browser, simple as that.

    That's not the issue. vonro chose option 4 when they should have chosen option 3 if they don't have the ability to install it. Also, what machines are you visiting the forums on? Not a personal one I guess which is confusing to me if you're trying to play an MMO. I'm guessing it's awkward circumstances which I'm not going to pry in to.

    Whatever the case, the enhancement assumes you're an adult with your own personal computer. For everyone else, it's up to PWE to solve it and to that I say...well, they seem to be working on it. At the very least they are inquiring about how to go about fixing things at the moment. So let's all hope. tiger-42.gif​​

    How about those who have tried the enhancement and while they like the enhancements they still don't like the base forum itself and believe that we shouldn't have to go to third parties for basic functionality that is in the standard install of vanilla but has somehow been disabled or removed by either PWE or their third party host, or that they should not be hosted by a third party in the first place?
  • nrglgnrglg Member Posts: 447 Arc User
    @belidos vonro never tried the enhancement. If you still don't like the forums after installing it, that's dandy. Point was, vonro didn't try it otherwise they would have known that things they complained about, the enhancement currently covers. Please read the posts for context next time.​​

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  • sovereign010sovereign010 Member Posts: 641 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    Don't like them (as they are)
    It stinks, I keep getting messages saying things like: "We're over capacity
    Please wait a moment and try again", and "Something has gone wrong. We've run into a problem and are unable to handle this request right now. Please check back in a little while."
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