At the moment...But in the future, as they aquire more bodies... As above, I believe Section 31 would say that that possibility exists, and consider that as justifiable reason to do so...
Perhaps. And perhaps there's a good reason Section 31 is not actually a legal part of the Federation command structure.
In any case, with the Vaadwaur Supremacy in civil upheaval, keeping the Kobali in line is perfect as a new purpose for the Delta Alliance. For instance, I'm sure the Benthans would have a laundry list of legal violations to justify a visit by the Guard if the Kobali keep up what they're doing.
I'm not in favour of wiping the Kobali out, either. I'm not even in favour of standing back and letting the Vaadwaur do it.... But, there is a lot of middle ground between "Kobali genocide" and "unconditional support for the Kobali no matter how much they lie to us", and the Federation should be looking for a position somewhere in that middle ground.
Exactly what I've been saying.
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I'm not in favour of wiping the Kobali out, either. I'm not even in favour of standing back and letting the Vaadwaur do it.... But, there is a lot of middle ground between "Kobali genocide" and "unconditional support for the Kobali no matter how much they lie to us", and the Federation should be looking for a position somewhere in that middle ground.
Personally, I'm of the opinion for complete neutrality, I'm simply highlighting that instances where the PD would easily allow involvement in the situation, leans more towards action against the Kobali, rather than any kind of diplomacy towards assistance...
Perhaps. And perhaps there's a good reason Section 31 is not actually a legal part of the Federation command structure.
In any case, with the Vaadwaur Supremacy in civil upheaval, keeping the Kobali in line is perfect as a new purpose for the Delta Alliance. For instance, I'm sure the Benthans would have a laundry list of legal violations to justify a visit by the Guard if the Kobali keep up what they're doing.
Exactly what I've been saying.
Section 31 may not be a formal or legal part of Starfleet, but they do act in the defence of the Federation (one of those "You can't handle the truth" scenarios) rather than simply on their own agenda, as say Terra Prime did...
In any case, with the Vaadwaur Supremacy in civil upheaval, keeping the Kobali in line is perfect as a new purpose for the Delta Alliance. For instance, I'm sure the Benthans would have a laundry list of legal violations to justify a visit by the Guard if the Kobali keep up what they're doing.
Might want to replay dust to dust, but the Kobali Have Benthans fighting alongside them on the ground, so either they are turing a blind eye, or they see no major problems with body snatching
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Might want to replay dust to dust, but the Kobali Have Benthans fighting alongside them on the ground, so either they are turing a blind eye, or they see no major problems with body snatching
I'm almost certain one of the General's entourage is a benthan, not certain enough to put money on it mind , but pretty sure
( though its entirely possible he's under supervision i guess )
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Their practices have directly affected Federation citizens (Ensign Ballard), thus allowing for Starfleet intervention against the Kobali, not in aid of them.
That they don't have the ability to attack at present, does not mean they will not have the ability to attack in the future... Ensign Ballard attempted to escape the Kobali in a Kobali ship, therefore they are reasonably 'star-faring', so the potential capacity to be a technological threat exists. Add to that, the fact that they would use Starfleet casualties to boost their numbers... That is also a threat to the Federation...
The enermy of the enemy is not necessarily always a friend, and in this instwnce, could very much be if not outright considered an enemy, certainly more than capable of becoming one (possibly even inevitably so due to their dishonest behaviour)
Uh, Aside from the Samsar, which isn't that scary.... they don't have squat. I believe the Pakleds are an adequate example of how being space faring does not equate to formidable.
I'm not in favour of wiping the Kobali out, either. I'm not even in favour of standing back and letting the Vaadwaur do it.... But, there is a lot of middle ground between "Kobali genocide" and "unconditional support for the Kobali no matter how much they lie to us", and the Federation should be looking for a position somewhere in that middle ground.
Well.... that'd be easier, if the Vaadwaur were more reasonable. But they aren't....
Uh, Aside from the Samsar, which isn't that scary.... they don't have squat. I believe the Pakleds are an adequate example of how being space faring does not equate to formidable.
Well.... that'd be easier, if the Vaadwaur were more reasonable. But they aren't....
The Pakled don't have the capacity to turn enemy combatants into reinforcements (and given the Kobali use brainwashing to make people accept their new status, it's not a big stretch of the imagination to believe they would use indoctrination techniques in their military as well...
I'm kind of hoping the Kobali find Kirk's body and bring back the most epic Captain in the history of Star Trek to show the universe how things are done!
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It's not really so much brainwashing, as brain-restructuring. It's mentioned in dialog that Harry/"Keten" is growing a six-lobed Kobali brain, which is bound to mean some personality changes - heck, you can get some marked personality changes just by rattling a normal human brain around, without the need to rebuild the whole thing at the cellular level first.
It's not really so much brainwashing, as brain-restructuring. It's mentioned in dialog that Harry/"Keten" is growing a six-lobed Kobali brain, which is bound to mean some personality changes - heck, you can get some marked personality changes just by rattling a normal human brain around, without the need to rebuild the whole thing at the cellular level first.
Which I would imagine is a rather traumatic experience since he seemed fully conscious at the time
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You want me to make a list? Fine, I'll make a list.
They're serial liars. You can't have an ally you can't trust.
They've been using what amounts to Vaadwaur POWs and battlefield casualties to reproduce. And lying about doing it until they get caught at it.
They give no thought to obtaining consent for the bodies they use in general; they just take. And then if, horror of horrors, you don't want to be a Kobali, they retrieve you by force and brainwash you until you like it.
Above all, they don't see anything wrong with any of the above, instead insisting that they're a peaceful people averse to violence. So they're not only dishonest with everybody else, they're dishonest with themselves (i.e. they lack integrity).
And yes, it is their fault their dicks don't work. Pay attention to the story next time: they're clearly stated to have done it to themselves by "meddling with forces they could not control."
In comparison the Vaadwaur are really no worse in any substantive way than the Klingons or the TNG-era Romulans. They're just your basic violent racist imperialists, something the Federation has dealt with quite successfully on its own territory for centuries.
Yeah, pretty much this.
I'm a little sympathetic to the Vaadwaur to be honest. I'd be pissed if someone started helping themselves to all my dead relatives and friends to make their zombie race continue.
Honestly, I'm not sure why the Federation is continuing to aid the Kobali beyond arranging a cease-fire with the Vaadwaur.
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After the events of "Dust to Dust" and the disclosure of Keten/Harry Kim, public opinion about the Kobali's reproduction techniques have sharply divided the Delta Alliance, with some voices even calling for the Kobali's ouster from the Alliance. In order to resolve the matter peacefully, Delta Alliance Command (OOC: or whatever they're called, heads of the Alliance in the Jenolen Sphere or something) has convened a summit at the Jenolen Dyson Sphere to discuss the ramifications of the Kobali's reanimation and their recalcitrance in disclosing their practices. You have been asked by the people whose cause you most sympathize with to head their side of the debate. Considering all the moral implications as well as the exigencies of the Quadrant at war, how do you present your argument? What will the implications be for all parties involved? Will there be pushback from the other side?
same reason they where willing to abduct an entire planets population in insurrection.
another immortality boondoggle to satisfy the decadence of the admiralty.
a virus that can turn an old dead corpse back into a you living person? why wouldnt they want to get their hands on that?
Because it turns an old dead corpse into a young living person who is not the old dead person.
It's not immortality - it's repurposing. That's why I figure a certain portion of the Klingons would be willing to contribute corpses - "an empty shell which the warrior has left," and all that. Culturally, I can't see where they'd make a big deal about the body being repurposed, after the ritual that sees the spirit off to Sto'vo'kor has been completed. (Now, if the ritual hasn't been completed yet, you might be condemning the spirit to Gre'thor, and the Klingons might get just a bit testy about that...)
TRIBBLE, I wouldn't really care if it was done to me, provided my family was notified first. It's why I'm a registered organ donor; once I'm dead, I'm done with this body, and if anyone else can get something useful out of it, more power to them.
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Hmmm. Doesn't the prime directive only apply to pre-warp capable civilisations? In which case it's moot where the Delta races are concerned.
Anyway, the Kobali; not evil (they don't actively seek to impose their will on other cultures, or seek to inflict pain) but very, very disturbing. Their closest parallel is Doctor Who's masters of body horror, the Cybermen.
If all the Kobali did was re-use dead bodies, then the question would be far simpler - although their handling of the Vaadwaur would still be suicidally stupid. What is deeply disturbing is that a proportion of those reanimated recall their former lives before being "assimilated" - as we saw in the TV episode - which suggests that, repurposed, Kobali technology could restore the dead to life; and that means, medically, they were not dead. That makes for a very different philosophical question. Would any species, even the Ferengi, be happy to hand over a deceased relative if it mean that they *might* be resurrected, only to be turned into an alien?
Now, it would still make military sense for Starfleet to back the Kobali agains the Vaadwaur - the latter being much more of an existential threat. You could even justify KDF/Romulan involvement on the grounds they would not want the Vaadwaur getting access to Kobali medical technology. However, this would be more akin to historical "unholy alliances" such as the US/UK/USSR one of WWII (which saw the most democratic state allied with diehard imperialists and totalitarian communists) - not the clear "Kobali are the victims and we must help" presented in DR.
It's not really so much brainwashing, as brain-restructuring. It's mentioned in dialog that Harry/"Keten" is growing a six-lobed Kobali brain, which is bound to mean some personality changes - heck, you can get some marked personality changes just by rattling a normal human brain around, without the need to rebuild the whole thing at the cellular level first.
But what about what happens to the newly re-born? The 'integration process' into Kobali society, the intoduction to the new 'family'? That is the part which is brainwashing... When those who remember their past lives do so, they are not allowed to return to their last lives, but 'treated with love' until they accept their new situation (brainwashing)
Because it turns an old dead corpse into a young living person who is not the old dead person.
It's not immortality - it's repurposing. That's why I figure a certain portion of the Klingons would be willing to contribute corpses - "an empty shell which the warrior has left," and all that. Culturally, I can't see where they'd make a big deal about the body being repurposed, after the ritual that sees the spirit off to Sto'vo'kor has been completed. (Now, if the ritual hasn't been completed yet, you might be condemning the spirit to Gre'thor, and the Klingons might get just a bit testy about that...)
TRIBBLE, I wouldn't really care if it was done to me, provided my family was notified first. It's why I'm a registered organ donor; once I'm dead, I'm done with this body, and if anyone else can get something useful out of it, more power to them.
But, it's not always just repurposing... What if you were to remember your past life and wish to continue it? It's simply not as clean and clearcut as simply taking the dead and repurposing the corpse, because the original consciousness can remain (until it is conditioned into accepting the new situation) That is where the moral issue comes into play... This is not just using your body for organ donation, it is turning you into a new person while you are aware of it and who you are/were, and telling you "It's okay..." until you like it...
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Hmmm. Doesn't the prime directive only apply to pre-warp capable civilisations? In which case it's moot where the Delta races are concerned.
Anyway, the Kobali; not evil (they don't actively seek to impose their will on other cultures, or seek to inflict pain) but very, very disturbing. Their closest parallel is Doctor Who's masters of body horror, the Cybermen.
If all the Kobali did was re-use dead bodies, then the question would be far simpler - although their handling of the Vaadwaur would still be suicidally stupid. What is deeply disturbing is that a proportion of those reanimated recall their former lives before being "assimilated" - as we saw in the TV episode - which suggests that, repurposed, Kobali technology could restore the dead to life; and that means, medically, they were not dead. That makes for a very different philosophical question. Would any species, even the Ferengi, be happy to hand over a deceased relative if it mean that they *might* be resurrected, only to be turned into an alien?
Now, it would still make military sense for Starfleet to back the Kobali agains the Vaadwaur - the latter being much more of an existential threat. You could even justify KDF/Romulan involvement on the grounds they would not want the Vaadwaur getting access to Kobali medical technology. However, this would be more akin to historical "unholy alliances" such as the US/UK/USSR one of WWII (which saw the most democratic state allied with diehard imperialists and totalitarian communists) - not the clear "Kobali are the victims and we must help" presented in DR.
No, that is the criteria for establishing first contact. The Prime Directive forbids a Starfleet officer from interfering in the internal cultural development or political structure of a non-Federation society, even if invited to do so (ie the Picard/Gowron situation with the Klingon civil war...)
No, that is the criteria for establishing first contact. The Prime Directive forbids a Starfleet officer from interfering in the internal cultural development or political structure of a non-Federation society, even if invited to do so (ie the Picard/Gowron situation with the Klingon civil war...)
In TOS, the PD specifically applies only to pre-spaceflight civilizations. It also applied only to the normal development of a viable civilization, giving an out if a captain ever had to defend an intervention before a court-martial board. (Thus the intervention with the Iotians in "A Piece of the Action" - no spaceflight yet, but by no means could that be considered a normal development.)
In TNG, they expanded that to "hands off everything, even if that means watching entire species die", because Gene was having some issues fairly common among Hollywood types in the '80s. After he pulled back from directly controlling the shows, they started to get away from that idea, because it's both sanctimoniously arrogant and rather stupid. As I noted earlier, an interpretation as strict as that would have prohibited Kirk from preventing the poisoning of Sherman's Planet in "The Trouble With Tribbles", because under the terms of the Organian Treaty it wasn't a Federation world until they could establish that they could put it to better use than the Klingons.
In TOS, the PD specifically applies only to pre-spaceflight civilizations. It also applied only to the normal development of a viable civilization, giving an out if a captain ever had to defend an intervention before a court-martial board. (Thus the intervention with the Iotians in "A Piece of the Action" - no spaceflight yet, but by no means could that be considered a normal development.)
In TNG, they expanded that to "hands off everything, even if that means watching entire species die", because Gene was having some issues fairly common among Hollywood types in the '80s. After he pulled back from directly controlling the shows, they started to get away from that idea, because it's both sanctimoniously arrogant and rather stupid. As I noted earlier, an interpretation as strict as that would have prohibited Kirk from preventing the poisoning of Sherman's Planet in "The Trouble With Tribbles", because under the terms of the Organian Treaty it wasn't a Federation world until they could establish that they could put it to better use than the Klingons.
I always thought that Sherman's Planet was intended to be used as a Human colony, thus (according to the Memory Alpha article) still falling within the jurisdiction of the Federation, even if not specifically a 'Federation Member' in it's own right, as say Betazed or Vulcan are...
But, it's not always just repurposing... What if you were to remember your past life and wish to continue it? It's simply not as clean and clearcut as simply taking the dead and repurposing the corpse, because the original consciousness can remain (until it is conditioned into accepting the new situation) That is where the moral issue comes into play... This is not just using your body for organ donation, it is turning you into a new person while you are aware of it and who you are/were, and telling you "It's okay..." until you like it...
It's been established that over time, the memories fade; at most, you might remember them the way you remember a book you read once. The writers are working from the concept that memory is biochemical in nature, and that the revival of the brain can make those memories accessible, but the restructuring of the brain causes them to go away. You can even watch the process in Keten, as he begins struggling to remember the details that seemed so important to him a few moments before.
I'm guessing (since guessing is all we can do - writers were actively discouraged from following up on intriguing concepts in VOY) that the Kobali had seen the sad results of someone trying vainly to fit back into their old life as they were rewritten at the molecular level into new beings, watching as the "reborn" were rejected by loved ones, tossed out of their old society, and began to forget - a confusing concept, at the very least. The process they're supposed to follow, the one interrupted in "Dust to Dust", would seem to be an attempt to remove that pain, to smooth the new Kobali's path into their new life.
(Besides, outside SF and old spy stories, brainwashing doesn't really work. The Manchurian Candidate was an exciting story, to be sure, but a real human mind almost inevitably recovers those memories. It's one reason why we have prisons, not memory-rewriting centers. The only way you can "brainwash" someone for long is to start when they are quite young, and make sure they're immersed in those concepts until they're adults.)
I always thought that Sherman's Planet was intended to be used as a Human colony, thus (according to the Memory Alpha article) still falling within the jurisdiction of the Federation, even if not specifically a 'Federation Member' in it's own right, as say Betazed or Vulcan are...
Under the terms of the Organian Treaty, each world in the Neutral Zone would belong to the side that proved it could develop the world more effectively. It would not be an actual member of that polity until it had developed. The case of Sherman's Planet was still on the fence; had the Klingons' plan succeeded, it would have driven the Fed occupants off the planet, leaving it open for the Empire to develop unmolested. Thus, it was not yet a Federation member world, nor even a protectorate, and such a strict interpretation of the PD would have forbidden Starfleet from directly intervening in the crisis.
I'm guessing (since guessing is all we can do - writers were actively discouraged from following up on intriguing concepts in VOY) that the Kobali had seen the sad results of someone trying vainly to fit back into their old life as they were rewritten at the molecular level into new beings, watching as the "reborn" were rejected by loved ones, tossed out of their old society, and began to forget - a confusing concept, at the very least. The process they're supposed to follow, the one interrupted in "Dust to Dust", would seem to be an attempt to remove that pain, to smooth the new Kobali's path into their new life.
In the case of Lyndsey Ballard/Jhetleya, it's why she decided to live on Kobali. She walked around the ship trying to bee who she was before.... and failed. She found herself hating her favorite foods, and being genrally incapable of interacting with people the way she used to.
What if they found a cure for their Kobaldness? Because, the only thing worse then being old and Harry, is being young and Kobald! XD
If I remember correctly, that old doctor on Next Gen. began to age rapidly when they encountered those mute teens. They used the transporter and some of her DNA to reverse here gene-whatevers to restore her. They could do that!
I liked Harry on Voyager, I hope it's a happy ending. To answer the thread itself, I'm not a fan of this race ether, they are whiner then the Defera and sneakier then my phone company! The Delta Quadrant is full of body snatchers, which is ironic since Leonard Nemoy was in one of those movies yelling to be let out! :rolleyes:
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Under the terms of the Organian Treaty, each world in the Neutral Zone would belong to the side that proved it could develop the world more effectively. It would not be an actual member of that polity until it had developed. The case of Sherman's Planet was still on the fence; had the Klingons' plan succeeded, it would have driven the Fed occupants off the planet, leaving it open for the Empire to develop unmolested. Thus, it was not yet a Federation member world, nor even a protectorate, and such a strict interpretation of the PD would have forbidden Starfleet from directly intervening in the crisis.
I get that, but there were Fed occupants on the planet at that time, yes? They didn't just appear there, but would have been colonists (presumeably from Earth and other Federation planets) meaning that (regardless of the Organian Treaty) those Fed occupants would still have been considered as under the Federation's aegis, allowing Starfleet to have contact with them. I think the Organian Treaty's a bit of a red herring to the issue of who'd be responsible for the existing Fed occupants...
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Perhaps. And perhaps there's a good reason Section 31 is not actually a legal part of the Federation command structure.
In any case, with the Vaadwaur Supremacy in civil upheaval, keeping the Kobali in line is perfect as a new purpose for the Delta Alliance. For instance, I'm sure the Benthans would have a laundry list of legal violations to justify a visit by the Guard if the Kobali keep up what they're doing.
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Personally, I'm of the opinion for complete neutrality, I'm simply highlighting that instances where the PD would easily allow involvement in the situation, leans more towards action against the Kobali, rather than any kind of diplomacy towards assistance...
Might want to replay dust to dust, but the Kobali Have Benthans fighting alongside them on the ground, so either they are turing a blind eye, or they see no major problems with body snatching
Didn't see that bit, maybe those were MACOs?
I'm almost certain one of the General's entourage is a benthan, not certain enough to put money on it mind , but pretty sure
( though its entirely possible he's under supervision i guess )
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The Pakled don't have the capacity to turn enemy combatants into reinforcements (and given the Kobali use brainwashing to make people accept their new status, it's not a big stretch of the imagination to believe they would use indoctrination techniques in their military as well...
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Which I would imagine is a rather traumatic experience since he seemed fully conscious at the time
Yeah, pretty much this.
I'm a little sympathetic to the Vaadwaur to be honest. I'd be pissed if someone started helping themselves to all my dead relatives and friends to make their zombie race continue.
Honestly, I'm not sure why the Federation is continuing to aid the Kobali beyond arranging a cease-fire with the Vaadwaur.
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It's not immortality - it's repurposing. That's why I figure a certain portion of the Klingons would be willing to contribute corpses - "an empty shell which the warrior has left," and all that. Culturally, I can't see where they'd make a big deal about the body being repurposed, after the ritual that sees the spirit off to Sto'vo'kor has been completed. (Now, if the ritual hasn't been completed yet, you might be condemning the spirit to Gre'thor, and the Klingons might get just a bit testy about that...)
TRIBBLE, I wouldn't really care if it was done to me, provided my family was notified first. It's why I'm a registered organ donor; once I'm dead, I'm done with this body, and if anyone else can get something useful out of it, more power to them.
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Anyway, the Kobali; not evil (they don't actively seek to impose their will on other cultures, or seek to inflict pain) but very, very disturbing. Their closest parallel is Doctor Who's masters of body horror, the Cybermen.
If all the Kobali did was re-use dead bodies, then the question would be far simpler - although their handling of the Vaadwaur would still be suicidally stupid. What is deeply disturbing is that a proportion of those reanimated recall their former lives before being "assimilated" - as we saw in the TV episode - which suggests that, repurposed, Kobali technology could restore the dead to life; and that means, medically, they were not dead. That makes for a very different philosophical question. Would any species, even the Ferengi, be happy to hand over a deceased relative if it mean that they *might* be resurrected, only to be turned into an alien?
Now, it would still make military sense for Starfleet to back the Kobali agains the Vaadwaur - the latter being much more of an existential threat. You could even justify KDF/Romulan involvement on the grounds they would not want the Vaadwaur getting access to Kobali medical technology. However, this would be more akin to historical "unholy alliances" such as the US/UK/USSR one of WWII (which saw the most democratic state allied with diehard imperialists and totalitarian communists) - not the clear "Kobali are the victims and we must help" presented in DR.
But, it's not always just repurposing... What if you were to remember your past life and wish to continue it? It's simply not as clean and clearcut as simply taking the dead and repurposing the corpse, because the original consciousness can remain (until it is conditioned into accepting the new situation) That is where the moral issue comes into play... This is not just using your body for organ donation, it is turning you into a new person while you are aware of it and who you are/were, and telling you "It's okay..." until you like it...
and yet the kobali were still able to revive harry kim with no issue
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In TNG, they expanded that to "hands off everything, even if that means watching entire species die", because Gene was having some issues fairly common among Hollywood types in the '80s. After he pulled back from directly controlling the shows, they started to get away from that idea, because it's both sanctimoniously arrogant and rather stupid. As I noted earlier, an interpretation as strict as that would have prohibited Kirk from preventing the poisoning of Sherman's Planet in "The Trouble With Tribbles", because under the terms of the Organian Treaty it wasn't a Federation world until they could establish that they could put it to better use than the Klingons.
I'm guessing (since guessing is all we can do - writers were actively discouraged from following up on intriguing concepts in VOY) that the Kobali had seen the sad results of someone trying vainly to fit back into their old life as they were rewritten at the molecular level into new beings, watching as the "reborn" were rejected by loved ones, tossed out of their old society, and began to forget - a confusing concept, at the very least. The process they're supposed to follow, the one interrupted in "Dust to Dust", would seem to be an attempt to remove that pain, to smooth the new Kobali's path into their new life.
(Besides, outside SF and old spy stories, brainwashing doesn't really work. The Manchurian Candidate was an exciting story, to be sure, but a real human mind almost inevitably recovers those memories. It's one reason why we have prisons, not memory-rewriting centers. The only way you can "brainwash" someone for long is to start when they are quite young, and make sure they're immersed in those concepts until they're adults.)
My character Tsin'xing
If I remember correctly, that old doctor on Next Gen. began to age rapidly when they encountered those mute teens. They used the transporter and some of her DNA to reverse here gene-whatevers to restore her. They could do that!
I liked Harry on Voyager, I hope it's a happy ending. To answer the thread itself, I'm not a fan of this race ether, they are whiner then the Defera and sneakier then my phone company! The Delta Quadrant is full of body snatchers, which is ironic since Leonard Nemoy was in one of those movies yelling to be let out! :rolleyes:
"Where monsters rampage, I'm there to take them down! Where treasure glitters, I'm there to claim it! Where an enemy rises to face me, victory will be mine!" -Lina Inverse