Bring your cruiser, just dont spam beam fire at will. Thats what we are saying. If you draw all the aggro to the center or to the spawn point, you just guaranteed the team a failed instance, because its not recoverable from
If anyone dies, they spawn right in the middle of 50 ships then
So just dont use AOEs and youre pretty much fine otherwise.
Yes, cruiser are just fine: just lay off the FAW. I did add a Netronium to my build, for the occassion (I usually rely entirely on A2D). But cruisers are a good choice, really: good hull; and CCE was never really much of an Escort thingy anyway. I found my Recluse to be perfect for the job, too.
In my first post in this thread I noted 2 things that are broken, ! being starting a non elite normal mode and you have all the terran ships that you get at the end of an elite. This is NORMAL MODE with elite terran ships and the crazy respawn and half dozen tykens rifts. Same thing as the end of an elite not the start not the middle the end of one. That should not ever happen. The other thing I noted is the huge amount of ships will eventualy end up at spawn and imediatly agro when you spawn in and kill anyone before they can escape.
All the target CE only and it's a cakewalk... Go fudge yourself. Sounds good on paper but in reality not happening when there are well over 100 terran ships within 15 kilometers of you and half of them fire at you even if you are using an elite -th console and only just spawned into them.
Sorry but some versions are broken, Nerf? maybe not because when its not broken it is fun. The bugs that can occur needs to be fixed because those bugs make it virtualy unplayable. Happy a couple masochists in this thread never got a bugged one, Until you do then stuff it.
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Funny, I'm seeing something entirely different. I'm seeing those who actually understand what's going on all saying pretty much the same thing: "Adapt. Don't bring your regular BFAW cruiser; i.e.: don't do things like you normally do @ life on easy street." I said it, oridjerraa did, as did rylanadionysis; and even Borticus himself (long before me).
Of course, it's always easier to dismiss those pesky sounds, and just cry for a nerf. All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.
You are 100% right. After "adapting" I was able to complete the mission. So...I agree with you too.
To be honest, people are vastly overestimating the issue here. The fact that it's going to be nerfed is depressing. Some content needs to stay difficult. Anyway, a good team has no issue. Just keep firing at the entity and it all works out. I did six runs today and the only deaths that anyone on my team experienced were from getting caught in the wave.
Basically, CCE is fine and go have fun.
I haven't done the normal, but maybe, just maybe, not everything can be uber-easily pugged, especially with alts that are just level 50 and don't have any better gear.
All the target CE only and it's a cakewalk... Go fudge yourself. Sounds good on paper but in reality not happening when there are well over 100 terran ships within 15 kilometers of you and half of them fire at you even if you are using an elite -th console and only just spawned into them.
Ok.
Even if they shoot you just ignore their damage, speed tank it, use heals, RSP, whatever you gotta do, but if you dont shoot them and focus on the entity you will win.
I am sorry you refuse to listen, but nerfing this to hell and back is TRIBBLE, because it is completable.
Oh and for the record - if they are firing on you out the gate, pop RSP and evasive out of the mass. Turn around, stay more than 10k away from them, and guess what happens? Oh...
Sometimes I wonder. I really do.
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Another thing. DPS Escorts aren't the problem here. Plenty of players that I've teamed with are tac. Sure, there are a lot of eng and sci captains, too, but that's because there are a lot of them.
I may be an eng, but it's not as if I'm using a super cruiser with massive shield tanking. Mine's only middle of the road, but I'm doing just fine.
I've seen a lot of excuses in this thread for why things aren't going right. The truth is that the players themselves are the issue; it's inexperience coming to light, or trying to use underpowered alts that are primarily dil farmers, which can be an issue for anyone.
Here's an example. I was pugging a KASE the other day and there was a guy with a scimitar. Normally, you'd expect heavy DPS and all out of him. Well, yeah, he'd spent 5k zen and bought the set, but he was just inexperienced and he managed to die the most times out of anyone on the team. He also didn't have any rep gear at that point, but that's beside the point. Obviously you can't really tell what a person's loadout is, but there wasn't a cutting beam or anything and he was rather ineffective. I didn't die a single time in the match.
I'm in favor of challenges. My fleet takes em head on all the time.
BUT... when a CE normal I just finished, has Mirror ships 'and' Tholians from the start, that spawn REPEATEDLY, not once... REPEATEDLY, and then on top of that, very bad graphical design flaws included in the latest patch, all amount to a ten minute lag fest of trying to get off boff abilites, half the time unable to due the the lag, while being fired on by twenty mirror ships at once (and surviving, thanks to Grace Under Fire trait, and a DANG tough Jemmy Dread on top of,) all amounts to excessive work for very, VERY little net gain overall.
I mean, you don't even get Expertise points for killing mirror ships. Nothing at all. Did I mention they spawned repeatedly... oh, and the third phase of having the nebula tactical blinding effect, along with the Subspace clouds, and... oh, the endless spawns of mirror ships that give JACK...
...well, insert the color metaphor of choice here.
This instance is broken, officially, as it currently stands. This is a formal complaint against it.
And WHAT happened to the CE and game graphics anyway? Everything went back to dark and dulled, washed out, nevermind the CE graphics itself, looks like it went through a massive cheese slicer, meant for Velveeta cheese or something.
Anyone one else peeved that the implementation of DX 11 beta, is a flop, or that something in the graphics code, went really to the fubar side, this past day?
And with that, this official rant broadcast, closes for another broadcast day. *UPF Flag flies, and anthem plays, before channel goes to static, for the night*
Even if they shoot you just ignore their damage, speed tank it, use heals, RSP, whatever you gotta do, but if you dont shoot them and focus on the entity you will win.
I am sorry you refuse to listen, but nerfing this to hell and back is TRIBBLE, because it is completable.
Oh and for the record - if they are firing on you out the gate, pop RSP and evasive out of the mass. Turn around, stay more than 10k away from them, and guess what happens? Oh...
Sometimes I wonder. I really do.
For you information I am not refusing to listen. I ignored them and fired on the CE only poping heals as i needed. If you read what i said I did not say nerf anything but fix the bugs you obviously did not get.
Oh and for the record.. crowds at 50+ kilommetrs so That doesnt work.
Sometimes i wonder about others reading comprehension and ability to understand that others do not get the same perfect world results then act like a jerk when others say they have an issue with a genuine bug when doing the correct tactics that the jerk is suggesting.
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On a lighter note, whats the counter to that Subspace Rift effect after the CE drops its big blast and leaves the after-cloud? I've got my impulse speed reduced to 6 and my tac officer telling me to use manual targeting but I can't see any enemies, but I can see my teammates right next to me blazing away just fine. So whats my missing ingredient?
On a lighter note, whats the counter to that Subspace Rift effect after the CE drops its big blast and leaves the after-cloud? I've got my impulse speed reduced to 6 and my tac officer telling me to use manual targeting but I can't see any enemies, but I can see my teammates right next to me blazing away just fine. So whats my missing ingredient?
You know, I honestly dont know. the effect is similar to the black ball of death console though. When i was running my B'rel toon through it yesterday I kept getting nailed with them, so i was not only cloaked and unattackable, but i couldnt see anything to shoot at. it effectively ended the match for me right there until the rest of the team got it down to the 33 percent level and started the next effect/stage
Tried science team? I wasnt carrying it on the brel, since i never use shields and the toon isnt ready for pvp yet, so i wasnt able to test if that would clear the issue or not.
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Are you 100% certain that the Terran ships are not firing on the Tholians or CE, and not being chased by Fragments? That would be different than what was observed during local testing.
If left to their own devices, a good portion of the Terran ships are likely to end up aiding players against the Crystalline Entity. Unless something has gone wrong.
If everything is working as originally intended, then one potential 'solution' for this phase (if it appears - it doesn't always) is to ease off on the use of AOE abilities like Cannon Scatter Volley, Beam Fire-at-Will, Photonic Shockwave, Tractor Beam Repulsors, etc. Unless, of course, you WANT every nearby ship shooting at you, instead of one another...
With all due respect, you IS wrong sir!
I'm spawning in game, not shooting anything and I'm instantly targeted and shot by terrain ships, even tho I haven't fired a single shot at anything. Also not using AOE but still I get terrain ships all over me. You mission is borked. Also when elite is easier than normal, there is a problem. (Not saying make elite harder, but normal is really borked)
Now I'm not expecting this these to be a cake walk, but this is sheer overkill.
And then there's the performance problems by there sheer volume of spam.
This new CE is fun, please don't nerf it. In fact, keep it the way it is after October 17th.
As for you lot howling and moaning about the change, let this be a lesson to you: Don't do pugs. Seriously. Don't enter the public queues for a mission like CCE (Crystalline Catastrophe Elite) with the randomizer, you're just asking for trouble.
I run CCE with my fleet and friends of the fleet, competent players all, and there isn't too much trouble posed by it.
Also, if you're using AoE. . .don't. Especially not BFAW, which WILL aggro everything.
I'd also like to add that the "phases" are not working always, last one I was in, the CE was below 50% but terrain ships were still spawning like mad (there are supposed to stop after 66% yes?)
and to the poster above, not all of us have the luxury of other fleet members on tap to join up with, some of only have the public queues as viable option
This is without a Doubt the worst STO mission I have seen since day 1 in game. Just thought I would ad my voice to the fire!
Nice job Cryptic!
By the way I am getting graphics card error. Kinda like the last time my graphics card died. And this is with my settings at their lowest. I used to play at max before this disaster!
In support of the "it's manageable" theme; I ran into the Terran Empire swarm on the third of four runs last night, as part of a PUG.
Thankfully no-one bailed, and one of the other players read the forum to get a grip on the issue. We stopped shooting Terrans, quit on AOE, and eventually dragged the CE down. Took 30 mins but was done with a PUG that started out not knowing the issue.
Is this "working as intended" or even logical? No. But it's manageable if the players are just thinking and paying attention.
Ya big bunch of cry babies, there is nothing wrong NOR difficult about this mission. What is wrong with you people ?!?!?!?!?!
How in the hell can you people find this difficult other than someone else do it for you I cant see how it is difficult ?
You are all maddeningly frustrating to read and think you whine on purpose just to whine !
GFX problem then turn the GFX down FFS its not rocket science !
GFX is all the way down. And why not just stronger NPCs. Why the spam? It makes the mission unplayable. MY card is still acting like its taking a huge dump!
Will you or Cryptic buy me a new graphics card?
Ya big bunch of cry babies, there is nothing wrong NOR difficult about this mission. What is wrong with you people ?!?!?!?!?!
How in the hell can you people find this difficult other than someone else do it for you I cant see how it is difficult ?
You are all maddeningly frustrating to read and think you whine on purpose just to whine !
GFX problem then turn the GFX down FFS its not rocket science !
I have a GeForce gtx 670 and this is more than enough for this game at max , I can run crysis3 at near max settings and I do not get the slowdown to 7 fps in that like I do in STO in this event .
GFX is all the way down. And why not just stronger NPCs. Why the spam? It makes the mission unplayable. MY card is still acting like its taking a huge dump!
Will you or Cryptic buy me a new graphics card?
I mean PLEASE!
If your rig aint up to it that is no ones fault but your own my GFX card is an old NVIDIA GeForce 9400 GT (that is old), and I have no issue with GFX in this game ! Turn off anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering !
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Yes, cruiser are just fine: just lay off the FAW.
All the target CE only and it's a cakewalk... Go fudge yourself. Sounds good on paper but in reality not happening when there are well over 100 terran ships within 15 kilometers of you and half of them fire at you even if you are using an elite -th console and only just spawned into them.
Sorry but some versions are broken, Nerf? maybe not because when its not broken it is fun. The bugs that can occur needs to be fixed because those bugs make it virtualy unplayable. Happy a couple masochists in this thread never got a bugged one, Until you do then stuff it.
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You are 100% right. After "adapting" I was able to complete the mission. So...I agree with you too.
Basically, CCE is fine and go have fun.
I haven't done the normal, but maybe, just maybe, not everything can be uber-easily pugged, especially with alts that are just level 50 and don't have any better gear.
FAW isn't even the issue here.
Ok.
Even if they shoot you just ignore their damage, speed tank it, use heals, RSP, whatever you gotta do, but if you dont shoot them and focus on the entity you will win.
I am sorry you refuse to listen, but nerfing this to hell and back is TRIBBLE, because it is completable.
Oh and for the record - if they are firing on you out the gate, pop RSP and evasive out of the mass. Turn around, stay more than 10k away from them, and guess what happens? Oh...
Sometimes I wonder. I really do.
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No, we want challenging things that doesn't lag us to death or cause our computers to cry out in agony.
My computer works fine on it, and its 7 years old, and my video card is 3 years old.
I may be an eng, but it's not as if I'm using a super cruiser with massive shield tanking. Mine's only middle of the road, but I'm doing just fine.
I've seen a lot of excuses in this thread for why things aren't going right. The truth is that the players themselves are the issue; it's inexperience coming to light, or trying to use underpowered alts that are primarily dil farmers, which can be an issue for anyone.
Here's an example. I was pugging a KASE the other day and there was a guy with a scimitar. Normally, you'd expect heavy DPS and all out of him. Well, yeah, he'd spent 5k zen and bought the set, but he was just inexperienced and he managed to die the most times out of anyone on the team. He also didn't have any rep gear at that point, but that's beside the point. Obviously you can't really tell what a person's loadout is, but there wasn't a cutting beam or anything and he was rather ineffective. I didn't die a single time in the match.
BUT... when a CE normal I just finished, has Mirror ships 'and' Tholians from the start, that spawn REPEATEDLY, not once... REPEATEDLY, and then on top of that, very bad graphical design flaws included in the latest patch, all amount to a ten minute lag fest of trying to get off boff abilites, half the time unable to due the the lag, while being fired on by twenty mirror ships at once (and surviving, thanks to Grace Under Fire trait, and a DANG tough Jemmy Dread on top of,) all amounts to excessive work for very, VERY little net gain overall.
I mean, you don't even get Expertise points for killing mirror ships. Nothing at all. Did I mention they spawned repeatedly... oh, and the third phase of having the nebula tactical blinding effect, along with the Subspace clouds, and... oh, the endless spawns of mirror ships that give JACK...
...well, insert the color metaphor of choice here.
This instance is broken, officially, as it currently stands. This is a formal complaint against it.
And WHAT happened to the CE and game graphics anyway? Everything went back to dark and dulled, washed out, nevermind the CE graphics itself, looks like it went through a massive cheese slicer, meant for Velveeta cheese or something.
Anyone one else peeved that the implementation of DX 11 beta, is a flop, or that something in the graphics code, went really to the fubar side, this past day?
And with that, this official rant broadcast, closes for another broadcast day. *UPF Flag flies, and anthem plays, before channel goes to static, for the night*
For you information I am not refusing to listen. I ignored them and fired on the CE only poping heals as i needed. If you read what i said I did not say nerf anything but fix the bugs you obviously did not get.
Oh and for the record.. crowds at 50+ kilommetrs so That doesnt work.
Sometimes i wonder about others reading comprehension and ability to understand that others do not get the same perfect world results then act like a jerk when others say they have an issue with a genuine bug when doing the correct tactics that the jerk is suggesting.
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Nothing ever changes for you mate does it... :rolleyes:
Yeah, thats something that would actually be nice to have >=/
I know for today what time, since i did mine yesterday right when the event started, but after that i know ill lose track
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You know, I honestly dont know. the effect is similar to the black ball of death console though. When i was running my B'rel toon through it yesterday I kept getting nailed with them, so i was not only cloaked and unattackable, but i couldnt see anything to shoot at. it effectively ended the match for me right there until the rest of the team got it down to the 33 percent level and started the next effect/stage
Tried science team? I wasnt carrying it on the brel, since i never use shields and the toon isnt ready for pvp yet, so i wasnt able to test if that would clear the issue or not.
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Yeah, thats something that would actually be nice to have >=/
Seriously, it's a pain to try and figure it out manually.
With all due respect, you IS wrong sir!
I'm spawning in game, not shooting anything and I'm instantly targeted and shot by terrain ships, even tho I haven't fired a single shot at anything. Also not using AOE but still I get terrain ships all over me. You mission is borked. Also when elite is easier than normal, there is a problem. (Not saying make elite harder, but normal is really borked)
Now I'm not expecting this these to be a cake walk, but this is sheer overkill.
And then there's the performance problems by there sheer volume of spam.
hip63 :P
As for you lot howling and moaning about the change, let this be a lesson to you: Don't do pugs. Seriously. Don't enter the public queues for a mission like CCE (Crystalline Catastrophe Elite) with the randomizer, you're just asking for trouble.
I run CCE with my fleet and friends of the fleet, competent players all, and there isn't too much trouble posed by it.
Also, if you're using AoE. . .don't. Especially not BFAW, which WILL aggro everything.
and to the poster above, not all of us have the luxury of other fleet members on tap to join up with, some of only have the public queues as viable option
hip63 :P
100 ships on five players?????
I am told this is a glitch = well do we have any idea on when this stupid TRIBBLE glitch is going to be fixed????
I don't mind a challenge - I don't like a company that says "make it harder so they stay around longer and we can take more money"
we'll stay anyway cryptic - but if you make an event so OBVIOUSLY one sided, ppl will leave and take their money.
I want to speak to a Dev.
Nice job Cryptic!
By the way I am getting graphics card error. Kinda like the last time my graphics card died. And this is with my settings at their lowest. I used to play at max before this disaster!
FYI to Cryptic on the Graphics card.
How in the hell can you people find this difficult other than someone else do it for you I cant see how it is difficult ?
You are all maddeningly frustrating to read and think you whine on purpose just to whine !
GFX problem then turn the GFX down FFS its not rocket science !
Thankfully no-one bailed, and one of the other players read the forum to get a grip on the issue. We stopped shooting Terrans, quit on AOE, and eventually dragged the CE down. Took 30 mins but was done with a PUG that started out not knowing the issue.
Is this "working as intended" or even logical? No. But it's manageable if the players are just thinking and paying attention.
GFX is all the way down. And why not just stronger NPCs. Why the spam? It makes the mission unplayable. MY card is still acting like its taking a huge dump!
Will you or Cryptic buy me a new graphics card?
I mean PLEASE!
The real problem is that the launcher lists the event as Catastrophe not Cataclysm!
I have a GeForce gtx 670 and this is more than enough for this game at max , I can run crysis3 at near max settings and I do not get the slowdown to 7 fps in that like I do in STO in this event .
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Maybe on Elite they dont, but on normal they do. They also camp the spawnpoint.
Oh yes, this is doable. Quit before the terran ships camp the spawnpoint, and try to find an instance where there are no terrans.
Than it will be done in 5 minutes, 0 deaths.
To be honest I think its server lag, not graphical lag.
If your rig aint up to it that is no ones fault but your own my GFX card is an old NVIDIA GeForce 9400 GT (that is old), and I have no issue with GFX in this game ! Turn off anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering !
I have had the same number of enemy ships in other instances, and there was not this big lag.