What is unethical about a cloaking device used for recon and defence?
This is the Federation we are talking about, right? Cloaked ships and crews cannot proudly show that they are wearing their idealistic white hats while cloaked.
What next? Maybe they should demand that all Federation ships fly around with no weapons and shields to prove they're friendly?
I was unaware that "Federation principles" means "be your annoying neighbour's personal *****"
Check most of the Fed' cruisers/sci ship classes in the game, most of them are the next closest thing to being unarmed.
I'm not really sure how that's running with my ball and again it's sounding to biased and angry not too mention that it sounds more like the KDF didn't sacrifice anything as it never had those things to begin with.
I've already listed a few ideas towards making it fair and more advanced, but i'd gladly give up the fifth console, I'd gladly allow the klingon ships to be upped stat wise, but that's not the argument i was making. If you're bitter about something by all means go ahead but don't start getting crazy on the forums over it as it's really not going to help your argument.
I'm not advocating buffing the fed cloak to make it OP, i've even said add a bigger Debuff when cloaked. All i'm saying is that
A: all cloak should be activated at will like battle cloak (since clarification is needed apparently)
B: There should be a faction specific advanced cloak for each faction based on the fact that the cloaking technology was already out dated by DS9 anyway.
As for going through a mine field, i'm not really sure why you would do that with out shields... it just seems silly.
And the question is, are people willing to give up something in stats to gain a battlecloak, something that really isn't as awesome and OP as some people like to think? I don't want more ships having the battlecloak, anyhow, because that's one of the few things keeping an entire ship class in the KDF relevant. That's one of several reasons, anyhow.
And make no mistake, BoP pilots sacrifice stats to get the battlecloak. They're also sacrificing to get the universal boffslots (which are useful, but aren't as awesome as they used to be due to universal boffslots being put on other ships). If they just wanted a cloak, they could fly a Fleet raptor, which outperforms the BoP in direct escort-to-escort fighting due to higher hull and shield mod, an extra weapon slot, and so on. Would Defiant pilots really be willing to give up something to get a battlecloak, something of only situational use?
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easy way to solve this issue: make Ker'rat a neutal zone - borg are the only enemy.
I bet 90% of Fed players asking for a cloak are not serious instanced pvpers where the battle cloak is useless,
No serious KDF Bop captains cloak in instanced pvp except in the openning first strike - and in that case its not even that effective because the aware Fed players know its coming.
And the question is, are people willing to give up something in stats to gain a battlecloak, something that really isn't as awesome and OP as some people like to think? I don't want more ships having the battlecloak, anyhow, because that's one of the few things keeping an entire ship class in the KDF relevant. That's one of several reasons, anyhow.
And make no mistake, BoP pilots sacrifice stats to get the battlecloak. They're also sacrificing to get the universal boffslots (which are useful, but aren't as awesome as they used to be due to universal boffslots being put on other ships). If they just wanted a cloak, they could fly a Fleet raptor, which outperforms the BoP in direct escort-to-escort fighting due to higher hull and shield mod, an extra weapon slot, and so on. Would Defiant pilots really be willing to give up something to get a battlecloak, something of only situational use?
yeah... instead of giving the battlecloak to the defiant, give it to the aquarius, it's the closest thing to a BoP on the fed side
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Again, a lot of the argument i'm seeing is just kind of "Wah! Cryptic hates the KDF, the Feds are better Wah!"
I'm not arguring the stats of the battle cloak, just the ability to activate at will as well as there should be better advanced versions. all i'm hearing is "I don't like this, I don't want that. Don't take away MY special ability."
That mentality is the exact reason why Klingons don't even have their original home world any more, and why a race of honorable Warriors is anything but.
Again, the fact is Romulans are coming, they will have cloak and more than likely better ships. Will you cry about how unfair they are as well? If there are three sides of a war and two sides are using a technology, the third will as well. The arguments being made against really don't seem to hold up much when they sound more like an infant crying than a warriors battle cry.
All i want is for the cloak in game to be more like the cloak from the show, maybe you should stop making sound like such a personal sacrifice when KDF people are even saying how useless it is.
Again, a lot of the argument i'm seeing is just kind of "Wah! Cryptic hates the KDF, the Feds are better Wah!"
I'm not arguring the stats of the battle cloak, just the ability to activate at will as well as there should be better advanced versions. all i'm hearing is "I don't like this, I don't want that. Don't take away MY special ability."
That mentality is the exact reason why Klingons don't even have their original home world any more, and why a race of honorable Warriors is anything but.
Again, the fact is Romulans are coming, they will have cloak and more than likely better ships. Will you cry about how unfair they are as well? If there are three sides of a war and two sides are using a technology, the third will as well. The arguments being made against really don't seem to hold up much when they sound more like an infant crying than a warriors battle cry.
All i want is for the cloak in game to be more like the cloak from the show, maybe you should stop making sound like such a personal sacrifice when KDF people are even saying how useless it is.
Completely out of topic, since I'm way beyond bothering discussing cloaks for the day.....but, what do you mean the Klingon don't have their original homeworld???
P.S. I don't really care about what kind of ships or cloak the Romulans get, what I'd like and care about is to keep this game as close to the canon parameters as possible, so it would feel like playing Star Trek more, rather than just casual MMO with a Trek skin over it.
Also, if you want your cloak to behave more like the one in the shows (battlecloak), this means that every Klingon ship should have a battlecloak, right?
Federation players who persist in complaining about cloaks deserve cloaks that function just like the ones featured on the shows. Because you are such a fan of keeping things close to canon I'm sure you will agree the U.S.S. Pegasus is an appropriate canon reference for such a device.
i would have to agree about being allowed a cloaking device but only to a point they only be allowed on the dreadnought cruiser and tactical escort refit and adding to mirror universe ships which if i recall npc mirror universe ships have them anyway but do know this they shouldn't be battle cloak's
Completely out of topic, since I'm way beyond bothering discussing cloaks for the day.....but, what do you mean the Klingon don't have their original homeworld???
P.S. I don't really care about what kind of ships or cloak the Romulans get, what I'd like and care about is to keep this game as close to the canon parameters as possible, so it would feel like playing Star Trek more, rather than just casual MMO with a Trek skin over it.
Also, if you want your cloak to behave more like the one in the shows (battlecloak), this means that every Klingon ship should have a battlecloak, right?
You have every right to be confused, i was horribly wrong on that part. I'm refering to star trek VI, where the Moon above Qo'nos is destroyed, causing enough damage to the planet's Ozone. Had it not been for the Federation's help they wouldn't have had a home planet.
So i apologise for that.
As for the other bit YES, more so i feel that if all basic Cloak is all Battle cloak then KDF Battle cloak should in turn be he advanced version so all current battle cloak enabled ships should there for be able to fire projectiles while cloaked. Advanced battle cloak should be made into something new to reflect the changes in technology to which i tossed out the idea of a cloaking buoy in an earlier post, while the feds are still limited in which ships can use the cloak(i.e. only one per class).
Federation players who persist in complaining about cloaks deserve cloaks that function just like the ones featured on the shows. Because you are such a fan of keeping things close to canon I'm sure you will agree the U.S.S. Pegasus is an appropriate canon reference for such a device.
Yes, very much so to the degree that the intagibility cloak should be the Federation Version of advanced cloak (again only usable by one of each class at t5 or fleet) while both the klingon side and the romulan sides should also get their own version of Advanced Battle Cloak as well.
Intagible cloak would mostly be for traveling with maybe a small chance to have torps miss it with the added debuff of mines or gravity wells doing more damage to it.
I'm not saying we need to take away what makes the KDF unique i'm saying we need to make it more like canon. It should be more advanced by now on all fronts as well as being able to activate it all at once. I wouldn't even mind if the KDF or RR got them as part of the ship while the feds still needed to equip them as consoles.
Federation players who persist in complaining about cloaks deserve cloaks that function just like the ones featured on the shows. Because you are such a fan of keeping things close to canon I'm sure you will agree the U.S.S. Pegasus is an appropriate canon reference for such a device.
Well if you wanna use canon, then only the Oberth class would be able to equip a phased cloak then. And the Oberth WOULDN'T be given a tier 5 upgrade either.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Originally posted by Wraithshadow13
Yes, very much so to the degree that the intagibility cloak should be the Federation Version of advanced cloak (again only usable by one of each class at t5 or fleet) while both the klingon side and the romulan sides should also get their own version of Advanced Battle Cloak as well.
Intagible cloak would mostly be for traveling with maybe a small chance to have torps miss it with the added debuff of mines or gravity wells doing more damage to it.
I'm not saying we need to take away what makes the KDF unique i'm saying we need to make it more like canon. It should be more advanced by now on all fronts as well as being able to activate it all at once. I wouldn't even mind if the KDF or RR got them as part of the ship while the feds still needed to equip them as consoles.
Your recollections of Federation history are as remarkable as your knowledge of Klingon geography. The Pegasus and it's cloak never phase dodged torpedos, fought, or did much of anything other than phase into an asteroid as a result of the damage it's malfunction did to the vessel.
Your recollections of Federation history are as remarkable as your knowledge of Klingon geography. The Pegasus and it's cloak never phase dodged torpedos, fought, or did much of anything other than phase into an asteroid as a result of the damage it's malfunction did to the vessel.
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Your recollections of Federation history are as remarkable as your knowledge of Klingon geography. The Pegasus and it's cloak never phase dodged torpedos, fought, or did much of anything other than phase into an asteroid as a result of the damage it's malfunction did to the vessel.
Well that's because you don't take an illegal scientifically advanced device and start waving it at enemies, especially if it's only in the prototype stages. And the only reason it became stuck in the asteroid was because it blew out the relays causing it to shut down. When the enterprise used it, it worked just fine for dodging the asteroid, but just to keep it a little more fair i said a chance too dodge torps. And if you're going to be a troll at least do it in a way that doesn't make you look bad. My mistake was klingon history, not geography which i apologized for and corrected already.
1 its cowardly and will lead to officers being seen as chicken
2 it will encourage piracy as all fed captains will be tempted
3 it causes MPB (male pattern baldness)
4 it is well known that ships with cloaks flown by humans blow up or crash into asteroids
5 It has been proven that federation officers who command cloaked ships violate the prime directive casually
6 Cloaked ships burn power which could be better used
7 I said so
1. Refer to my signature quote. "The unseen enemy is always the most fearsome" Cloaking is not cowardly. I have so many feds yelling at/ PMing me, calling me a coward when I cloak... I'm usually sitting 5kms off their port side buffing up, laughing.
2. Pirates are cool.
3. MPB is a genetic trait that comes from the mother's side.
4. As they should.
5. The prime directive was made to be broken.
6. My cloak may burn power, but the power burnt by cloaking is refuelled by fed player QQ tears.
easy way to solve this issue: make Ker'rat a neutal zone - borg are the only enemy.
I bet 90% of Fed players asking for a cloak are not serious instanced pvpers where the battle cloak is useless,
No serious KDF Bop captains cloak in instanced pvp except in the openning first strike - and in that case its not even that effective because the aware Fed players know its coming.
You can bugger right off with your 'serious PvPer' nonsense. There's plenty of decent PvP to be had in Ker'rat, and it offers things that the boring, stale queues don't offer.
If anything, 'instanced PvP' is both boring and inflexible. Wait for who knows how long for a queue to pop, to engage in a predictable 5v5 skirmish that's likely to be over in 5-10 minutes. Yeah, 'serious PvP' right?
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
Again, a lot of the argument i'm seeing is just kind of "Wah! Cryptic hates the KDF, the Feds are better Wah!"
I'm not arguring the stats of the battle cloak, just the ability to activate at will as well as there should be better advanced versions. all i'm hearing is "I don't like this, I don't want that. Don't take away MY special ability."
That mentality is the exact reason why Klingons don't even have their original home world any more, and why a race of honorable Warriors is anything but.
Again, the fact is Romulans are coming, they will have cloak and more than likely better ships. Will you cry about how unfair they are as well? If there are three sides of a war and two sides are using a technology, the third will as well. The arguments being made against really don't seem to hold up much when they sound more like an infant crying than a warriors battle cry.
All i want is for the cloak in game to be more like the cloak from the show, maybe you should stop making sound like such a personal sacrifice when KDF people are even saying how useless it is.
Yes, how dare we uppity KDF 'whiners' try to keep Federation petaQ'pu from stealing more KDF exclusives, while giving little or none of theirs. We should just shut up and give you precious Feddies everything, right?
We're not talking about the friggin Romulans. Besides, they're supposed to have cloaks. Just like the Klingons are supposed to have cloaks. The fact that the Federation have an entire ship model (The Defiant) able to cloak is going well beyond the borders of canon, given that only ONE friggin Defiant actually cloaked.
If you want a cloak like 'on the show', roll a KDF and f***ing fly a BoP, stop trying to steal everything in sight.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
Yes, how dare we uppity KDF 'whiners' try to keep Federation petaQ'pu from stealing more KDF exclusives, while giving little or none of theirs. We should just shut up and give you precious Feddies everything, right?
We're not talking about the friggin Romulans. Besides, they're supposed to have cloaks. Just like the Klingons are supposed to have cloaks. The fact that the Federation have an entire ship model (The Defiant) able to cloak is going well beyond the borders of canon, given that only ONE friggin Defiant actually cloaked.
If you want a cloak like 'on the show', roll a KDF and f***ing fly a BoP, stop trying to steal everything in sight.
I'm sorry but i really don't mean to come off as mean here but i honestly can't take you seriously any more, that's too funny.
I already have two KDF, and frankly i'm not seeing all the problems this would cause. Wouldn't the KDF benefit from this change as well? Did i not say that the KDF should have better cloaks than the standard cloak? What exactly are you so upset about here? I never said the klingons aren't supposed to have cloaks, i never said the Romulans aren't supposed, i said the basic cloak needs to be an at will. I never said only for the Feds, Battle cloak as it is should be the standard simply because i should be able to activate it when ever i please, regardless of red alert or faction or any thing else, because that's how it works in star trek.
By resorting to name calling and misquoting, you're really just invalidating any thing you say from here on out. Did the Federation steal your ability to debate as well?
1. Refer to my signature quote. "The unseen enemy is always the most fearsome" Cloaking is not cowardly. I have so many feds yelling at/ PMing me, calling me a coward when I cloak... I'm usually sitting 5kms off their port side buffing up, laughing.
cloaking IS cowardly in the Federation
its not for Romulans or Klingons
but it IS for humans (cultural values)
2. Pirates are cool.
Pirates are vermin
3. MPB is a genetic trait that comes from the mother's side.
Common mistake
its actually caused by various defects in the DNA some of which are linked to radiation
and some are linked to poisons (like Wood Alcohol)
4. As they should.
so far almost half the cloaked ships have done this
5. The prime directive was made to be broken.
it was made to be upheld
6. My cloak may burn power, but the power burnt by cloaking is refuelled by fed player QQ tears.
You've taken many of our unique consoles, you can run around as any race wielding our bat'leths, you even have some of our unique missions given over to you, and you don't even need to be in the KDF to play as a Klingon. You have an entire game developer that caters to you, and gives you new shinys far more often than they do the KDF. Now you want our cloaks?
Now can some of you understand why people feel so strongly against giving another KDF exclusive item to the Feds? We have so little left to call our own now thanks to threads such as these filled with Feds begging for more. I think the preferential treatment you've received from the past 3 years more than makes up for not having a cloaking device on your ship.
If CBS is against having a T5 Constitution Class ship in this game I doubt they'd be willing to grant cloaking devices for fed ships. Its already a stretch granting cloaking devices to all those defiants in the game.
Well if you wanna use canon, then only the Oberth class would be able to equip a phased cloak then. And the Oberth WOULDN'T be given a tier 5 upgrade either.
That does not make sense - re-watch the episode: the Galaxy class was the only one where it was installed and stable.
You've taken many of our unique consoles, you can run around as any race wielding our bat'leths, you even have some of our unique missions given over to you, and you don't even need to be in the KDF to play as a Klingon. You have an entire game developer that caters to you, and gives you new shinys far more often than they do the KDF. Now you want our cloaks?
Now can some of you understand why people feel so strongly against giving another KDF exclusive item to the Feds? We have so little left to call our own now thanks to threads such as these filled with Feds begging for more. I think the preferential treatment you've received from the past 3 years more than makes up for not having a cloaking device on your ship.
If CBS is against having a T5 Constitution Class ship in this game I doubt they'd be willing to grant cloaking devices for fed ships. Its already a stretch granting cloaking devices to all those defiants in the game.
You already have so much, and yet you still want more. But we are the whiners because we want to hold onto what little is left of ours. The sense of entitlement some of you Feds have is staggering.
You (a player of the game STO) already have so much, and yet you still want more (yes I, a player, want more content and ships and stuff). But we (other players of STO) are the whiners because we want to hold onto what little is left of ours (interesting how anybody can be so possesive about something he/she never owned). The sense of entitlement some of you Feds have is staggering.
i can only asume you are entangled into some sort of morbid form of roleplay...at which you create shapes of your personal "enemy" and project this on other players of the same game you play. And now you feel upset, because they do not play along your fantasy...
That does not make sense - re-watch the episode: the Galaxy class was the only one where it was installed and stable.
Therefore it could go on any class.
Yes that's true, it was installed installed on a Galaxy class, and then presumably removed shortly after since it was never used or talked about again.
And Cryptic generally does keep whatever unique ability on the ship it came on, for the most part. At least in terms of cloaking abilities. If it was shown to cloak for a Fed, they kept it on only that ship class.
If they were to add it, more than likely it would only work on the Oberth, and possibly the Gal-R and Fleet Galaxy.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
quick review. only ONE defiant EVER had a cloak, it was a one time agreement between starfleet and the romulans. it was latter destroyed with no conformation if it was replaced(not that it would since at the time there was whole fleets of cloaked ships fighting the dominion and dominion intel was its only purpose when it was given)no other defiant was ever shown to have one
the gal-x had one because the romulan empire was completely distroyed buy the klingons in that timeline so the treaty was null(not true in game empire is still there just not very stable and the federation honors its treaty)
the only reason thise 2 ships have cloaks is because the fans of the ships would cry foul if they didnt if for nothing other than "it did in the show"(if you drop the anti-kling bias most feds have you have to admit at least thiis much)
the Pegasus phase cloak was illegal and because of its power setup reduced the ship to a crawl or it would blow the power systems or something
I'm sorry but i really don't mean to come off as mean here but i honestly can't take you seriously any more, that's too funny.
I already have two KDF, and frankly i'm not seeing all the problems this would cause. Wouldn't the KDF benefit from this change as well? Did i not say that the KDF should have better cloaks than the standard cloak? What exactly are you so upset about here? I never said the klingons aren't supposed to have cloaks, i never said the Romulans aren't supposed, i said the basic cloak needs to be an at will. I never said only for the Feds, Battle cloak as it is should be the standard simply because i should be able to activate it when ever i please, regardless of red alert or faction or any thing else, because that's how it works in star trek.
By resorting to name calling and misquoting, you're really just invalidating any thing you say from here on out. Did the Federation steal your ability to debate as well?
I can debate if I want, but this subject (and pretty much everything else Federation players bring up) is a dead horse that's been beaten for years. At this point I just satiate my annoyance by flinging mud at the Federation faction. It's nothing too personal, I'm just tired of the imbalance and preferential treatment.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
I can debate if I want, but this subject (and pretty much everything else Federation players bring up) is a dead horse that's been beaten for years. At this point I just satiate my annoyance by flinging mud at the Federation faction. It's nothing too personal, I'm just tired of the imbalance and preferential treatment.
then what do you think is going to happen with the romulans now? It's just been announced they're not a faction but join the Feds or KDF factions. If the KDF faction is as bad as people make it out to be, then why would the romulans join? Will this imbalance things even further for the KDF? If the Romulans bring Cloaking beyond the basic version, how will that effect players?
But the Oberth already has a unique console all its own. So the only way for this to happen? That's right ... a T5 Oberth RETROFIT! With a cloak!
Sign me up!
There's less chance of that happening than the Fleet Exeter in your signature there. I mean, there's been some OLD ships retrofitted to higher tier already, but I don't think they'll ever do every single last ship.
Besides, aside from getting CBS to ok it, the real question is: Would it sell? I mean that, would there truly be enough people willing to buy the tier 5 Oberth, with it's console only being usable on the Oberth? It'd 'fill' out the roster in a way, by having a cruiser, a sci-ship, and an escort all with cloak on the Fed-side.
That said, I have no interest in this. Even if others do, don't expect a 'phase cloak' to be 'all that' or anything. Because it'll be usable only on the Oberth. At tier 5 only the ship the console came on can use it, so that won't be changing for this. It won't be the 'exception'.
Honestly this thread has been going on for way too long. Romulans are coming, they will probably have cloaked ships, and you'll in-directly have Fed ships with cloak, so there.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
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This is the Federation we are talking about, right? Cloaked ships and crews cannot proudly show that they are wearing their idealistic white hats while cloaked.
Check most of the Fed' cruisers/sci ship classes in the game, most of them are the next closest thing to being unarmed.
Unless the person acting in idiocy doesn't learn from their past, then idiocy is assured.
And the question is, are people willing to give up something in stats to gain a battlecloak, something that really isn't as awesome and OP as some people like to think? I don't want more ships having the battlecloak, anyhow, because that's one of the few things keeping an entire ship class in the KDF relevant. That's one of several reasons, anyhow.
And make no mistake, BoP pilots sacrifice stats to get the battlecloak. They're also sacrificing to get the universal boffslots (which are useful, but aren't as awesome as they used to be due to universal boffslots being put on other ships). If they just wanted a cloak, they could fly a Fleet raptor, which outperforms the BoP in direct escort-to-escort fighting due to higher hull and shield mod, an extra weapon slot, and so on. Would Defiant pilots really be willing to give up something to get a battlecloak, something of only situational use?
I bet 90% of Fed players asking for a cloak are not serious instanced pvpers where the battle cloak is useless,
No serious KDF Bop captains cloak in instanced pvp except in the openning first strike - and in that case its not even that effective because the aware Fed players know its coming.
yeah... instead of giving the battlecloak to the defiant, give it to the aquarius, it's the closest thing to a BoP on the fed side
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The deeds of men remain the same..."
I'm not arguring the stats of the battle cloak, just the ability to activate at will as well as there should be better advanced versions. all i'm hearing is "I don't like this, I don't want that. Don't take away MY special ability."
That mentality is the exact reason why Klingons don't even have their original home world any more, and why a race of honorable Warriors is anything but.
Again, the fact is Romulans are coming, they will have cloak and more than likely better ships. Will you cry about how unfair they are as well? If there are three sides of a war and two sides are using a technology, the third will as well. The arguments being made against really don't seem to hold up much when they sound more like an infant crying than a warriors battle cry.
All i want is for the cloak in game to be more like the cloak from the show, maybe you should stop making sound like such a personal sacrifice when KDF people are even saying how useless it is.
Completely out of topic, since I'm way beyond bothering discussing cloaks for the day.....but, what do you mean the Klingon don't have their original homeworld???
P.S. I don't really care about what kind of ships or cloak the Romulans get, what I'd like and care about is to keep this game as close to the canon parameters as possible, so it would feel like playing Star Trek more, rather than just casual MMO with a Trek skin over it.
Also, if you want your cloak to behave more like the one in the shows (battlecloak), this means that every Klingon ship should have a battlecloak, right?
You have every right to be confused, i was horribly wrong on that part. I'm refering to star trek VI, where the Moon above Qo'nos is destroyed, causing enough damage to the planet's Ozone. Had it not been for the Federation's help they wouldn't have had a home planet.
So i apologise for that.
As for the other bit YES, more so i feel that if all basic Cloak is all Battle cloak then KDF Battle cloak should in turn be he advanced version so all current battle cloak enabled ships should there for be able to fire projectiles while cloaked. Advanced battle cloak should be made into something new to reflect the changes in technology to which i tossed out the idea of a cloaking buoy in an earlier post, while the feds are still limited in which ships can use the cloak(i.e. only one per class).
Yes, very much so to the degree that the intagibility cloak should be the Federation Version of advanced cloak (again only usable by one of each class at t5 or fleet) while both the klingon side and the romulan sides should also get their own version of Advanced Battle Cloak as well.
Intagible cloak would mostly be for traveling with maybe a small chance to have torps miss it with the added debuff of mines or gravity wells doing more damage to it.
I'm not saying we need to take away what makes the KDF unique i'm saying we need to make it more like canon. It should be more advanced by now on all fronts as well as being able to activate it all at once. I wouldn't even mind if the KDF or RR got them as part of the ship while the feds still needed to equip them as consoles.
Well if you wanna use canon, then only the Oberth class would be able to equip a phased cloak then. And the Oberth WOULDN'T be given a tier 5 upgrade either.
Your recollections of Federation history are as remarkable as your knowledge of Klingon geography. The Pegasus and it's cloak never phase dodged torpedos, fought, or did much of anything other than phase into an asteroid as a result of the damage it's malfunction did to the vessel.
malfunction? i thought it was sabotaged?
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A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Well that's because you don't take an illegal scientifically advanced device and start waving it at enemies, especially if it's only in the prototype stages. And the only reason it became stuck in the asteroid was because it blew out the relays causing it to shut down. When the enterprise used it, it worked just fine for dodging the asteroid, but just to keep it a little more fair i said a chance too dodge torps. And if you're going to be a troll at least do it in a way that doesn't make you look bad. My mistake was klingon history, not geography which i apologized for and corrected already.
1. Refer to my signature quote. "The unseen enemy is always the most fearsome" Cloaking is not cowardly. I have so many feds yelling at/ PMing me, calling me a coward when I cloak... I'm usually sitting 5kms off their port side buffing up, laughing.
2. Pirates are cool.
3. MPB is a genetic trait that comes from the mother's side.
4. As they should.
5. The prime directive was made to be broken.
6. My cloak may burn power, but the power burnt by cloaking is refuelled by fed player QQ tears.
7. No one cares.
You can bugger right off with your 'serious PvPer' nonsense. There's plenty of decent PvP to be had in Ker'rat, and it offers things that the boring, stale queues don't offer.
If anything, 'instanced PvP' is both boring and inflexible. Wait for who knows how long for a queue to pop, to engage in a predictable 5v5 skirmish that's likely to be over in 5-10 minutes. Yeah, 'serious PvP' right?
Yes, how dare we uppity KDF 'whiners' try to keep Federation petaQ'pu from stealing more KDF exclusives, while giving little or none of theirs. We should just shut up and give you precious Feddies everything, right?
We're not talking about the friggin Romulans. Besides, they're supposed to have cloaks. Just like the Klingons are supposed to have cloaks. The fact that the Federation have an entire ship model (The Defiant) able to cloak is going well beyond the borders of canon, given that only ONE friggin Defiant actually cloaked.
If you want a cloak like 'on the show', roll a KDF and f***ing fly a BoP, stop trying to steal everything in sight.
I'm sorry but i really don't mean to come off as mean here but i honestly can't take you seriously any more, that's too funny.
I already have two KDF, and frankly i'm not seeing all the problems this would cause. Wouldn't the KDF benefit from this change as well? Did i not say that the KDF should have better cloaks than the standard cloak? What exactly are you so upset about here? I never said the klingons aren't supposed to have cloaks, i never said the Romulans aren't supposed, i said the basic cloak needs to be an at will. I never said only for the Feds, Battle cloak as it is should be the standard simply because i should be able to activate it when ever i please, regardless of red alert or faction or any thing else, because that's how it works in star trek.
By resorting to name calling and misquoting, you're really just invalidating any thing you say from here on out. Did the Federation steal your ability to debate as well?
cloaking IS cowardly in the Federation
its not for Romulans or Klingons
but it IS for humans (cultural values)
Pirates are vermin
Common mistake
its actually caused by various defects in the DNA some of which are linked to radiation
and some are linked to poisons (like Wood Alcohol)
so far almost half the cloaked ships have done this
it was made to be upheld
federation ships should NOT have cloaks
You will when I send a harshly worded letter
Now can some of you understand why people feel so strongly against giving another KDF exclusive item to the Feds? We have so little left to call our own now thanks to threads such as these filled with Feds begging for more. I think the preferential treatment you've received from the past 3 years more than makes up for not having a cloaking device on your ship.
If CBS is against having a T5 Constitution Class ship in this game I doubt they'd be willing to grant cloaking devices for fed ships. Its already a stretch granting cloaking devices to all those defiants in the game.
That does not make sense - re-watch the episode: the Galaxy class was the only one where it was installed and stable.
Therefore it could go on any class.
THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!
seems the KDF will need an exclusive pacifier to cope with all this QQ
PS: surprisingly enough some of the saucer section of certain klingon ships already look like a pacifier.
i can only asume you are entangled into some sort of morbid form of roleplay...at which you create shapes of your personal "enemy" and project this on other players of the same game you play. And now you feel upset, because they do not play along your fantasy...
Yes that's true, it was installed installed on a Galaxy class, and then presumably removed shortly after since it was never used or talked about again.
However, the USS Pegasus WAS an Oberth-class vessel: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Pegasus
And Cryptic generally does keep whatever unique ability on the ship it came on, for the most part. At least in terms of cloaking abilities. If it was shown to cloak for a Fed, they kept it on only that ship class.
If they were to add it, more than likely it would only work on the Oberth, and possibly the Gal-R and Fleet Galaxy.
quick review. only ONE defiant EVER had a cloak, it was a one time agreement between starfleet and the romulans. it was latter destroyed with no conformation if it was replaced(not that it would since at the time there was whole fleets of cloaked ships fighting the dominion and dominion intel was its only purpose when it was given)no other defiant was ever shown to have one
the gal-x had one because the romulan empire was completely distroyed buy the klingons in that timeline so the treaty was null(not true in game empire is still there just not very stable and the federation honors its treaty)
the only reason thise 2 ships have cloaks is because the fans of the ships would cry foul if they didnt if for nothing other than "it did in the show"(if you drop the anti-kling bias most feds have you have to admit at least thiis much)
the Pegasus phase cloak was illegal and because of its power setup reduced the ship to a crawl or it would blow the power systems or something
my 2 zen worth
*****PEACE*****
I can debate if I want, but this subject (and pretty much everything else Federation players bring up) is a dead horse that's been beaten for years. At this point I just satiate my annoyance by flinging mud at the Federation faction. It's nothing too personal, I'm just tired of the imbalance and preferential treatment.
Sign me up!
then what do you think is going to happen with the romulans now? It's just been announced they're not a faction but join the Feds or KDF factions. If the KDF faction is as bad as people make it out to be, then why would the romulans join? Will this imbalance things even further for the KDF? If the Romulans bring Cloaking beyond the basic version, how will that effect players?
There's less chance of that happening than the Fleet Exeter in your signature there. I mean, there's been some OLD ships retrofitted to higher tier already, but I don't think they'll ever do every single last ship.
Besides, aside from getting CBS to ok it, the real question is: Would it sell? I mean that, would there truly be enough people willing to buy the tier 5 Oberth, with it's console only being usable on the Oberth? It'd 'fill' out the roster in a way, by having a cruiser, a sci-ship, and an escort all with cloak on the Fed-side.
That said, I have no interest in this. Even if others do, don't expect a 'phase cloak' to be 'all that' or anything. Because it'll be usable only on the Oberth. At tier 5 only the ship the console came on can use it, so that won't be changing for this. It won't be the 'exception'.
Honestly this thread has been going on for way too long. Romulans are coming, they will probably have cloaked ships, and you'll in-directly have Fed ships with cloak, so there.