Okay, let me first open this by saying this. No I am not another whining Federation player who wants a advanced battle cloak for Federation Starships.
Now I will make my point.
Since the Federation is aiding the Romulans on New Romulus. How about making the Cloaking Device from the Tactical Escort Retrofit able to be installed on to any Federation starship. Or, incorporate a cloaking device in to the Reputation system along with a Plasma Quad Cannon.
This would take care of a lot of issues.
1) Shut those whining Federation players up.
2) Make the Romulan Tactical Boffs worth obtaining for a Federation player.
3) Expand the available equipment on the Reputation stores. Having a Cloaking Device would also allow KDF players to unlock the Cloaking Device for ships that does not come equipped with Cloaking Devices.
4) This would also make it possible for non-Federation and Non-KDF hulls (Breen Chel Grett, Jem'Hadar, Cardassians, Farengi)i to be equipped with Cloaking Devices.
Plasma Quad Cannon
The Plasma Quad Cannon is a piece of equipment that should of been included in the Reputation store from the very beginning.
Okay, let me first open this by saying this. No I am not another whining Federation player who wants a advanced battle cloak for Federation Starships.
Now I will make my point.
Since the Federation is aiding the Romulans on New Romulus. How about making the Cloaking Device from the Tactical Escort Retrofit able to be installed on to any Federation starship. Or, incorporate a cloaking device in to the Reputation system along with a Plasma Quad Cannon.
This would take care of a lot of issues.
1) Shut those whining Federation players up.
2) Make the Romulan Tactical Boffs worth obtaining for a Federation player.
3) Expand the available equipment on the Reputation stores. Having a Cloaking Device would also allow KDF players to unlock the Cloaking Device for ships that does not come equipped with Cloaking Devices.
4) This would also make it possible for non-Federation and Non-KDF hulls (Breen Chel Grett, Jem'Hadar, Cardassians, Farengi)i to be equipped with Cloaking Devices.
Plasma Quad Cannon
The Plasma Quad Cannon is a piece of equipment that should of been included in the Reputation store from the very beginning.
No, you're not one of those whining Fed player who wants a battle cloak.. you're worse because now you want cloak for all other Fed ships... Goodness me..
The cloaking discussion has now risen a few levels.. *takes popcorn*
I'm kinda happy leaving cloaking devices to the Defiant class of escorts, I wouldn't want them on my other ships as they have different operational uses. It would be cool if my cloak didn't drop every time one of my crew wants to talk to me though...
As for Quad cannons, again Defiant class only, but it would be nice to be able to get better quads than we get on the refit.
No, no, no and no, you stop right there!
The federation should not have cloack, not because it would make them overpowered, but because in the serie, the federation don't use cloack.
The only exeption is the defiant ( cloack that is given by romulan ) and the galaxy dread from the alternate timeline.
I don't like to said this usualy but here, if you really want a cloak that bad, go to klingons side, or find a ship where you can optimize mask energy signature3, at more than 4km it is exactly like a cloack.
cbs will never allow this anyway, so stop waisting your time.
I think CBS might allow it. I mean after all the first time the feds helped the Rommies they got a cloak so why not now?
The first time we saw the Federation help the Romulans was in "The Enemy" and they didn't get a cloaking device.
Also, "The Path to 2409" made it clear that when it was revealed the Federation had secretly experimented with cloaking devices the Romulans were so upset they withdrew their representatives.
And at that time the Federation had already sent a buttload of ships to help the Romulans.
Why would they now suddenly turn around and just GIVE them cloaks after they were so upset about the Federation developing one?
Because D'Tan isn't a secretive douche who would rather turn down help than give something in return. Also this is the NEW romulan faction not the old one which is all menacing and stuff you guys can't seem to get that apparently.
Because D'Tan isn't a secretive douche who would rather turn down help than give something in return.
Last time I checked the Federation didn't do this to extort cloaking devices from the Romulans.
They helped...well to help not to get something out of it.
Also this is the NEW romulan faction not the old one which is all menacing and stuff you guys can't seem to get that apparently.
Meaning...what?
The Federation is there to help them regardless whether they are wiling to give up one of the few technological edges they have.
Given they probably lost a whole lot of industral as well as R&D capabilities with their homeworld, what they have in terms of technology is even more precious.
So does being NEW Romulus mean they're dumb enough to give away what little edge they have left because doing so doesn't change anything in their favour but dimishes their advantage?
The feds should have cloaks on a mass scale and everyone knows it. The only time they get it is for plot convenience, and the overall concept of cloaking technology is plot convenience in favor of the bad guys.
With that said, cloaking devices are devices of war. It doesn't make sense for the most of starfleet ships to be using them. But it also makes no sense that klingons would be using them. Hiding like a coward is not honorable. Plot convenience.
So, as before I do believe that the treaty with the romulans is null and void. But, as long as cloaking functions the way it does in game I don't really overly care much about getting it more freely. If I feel the need to cloak I'll just use the defiant or switch over to my klingon. Plus there's always the uniqueness factor at play. Any faction outside of the federation needs all the help it can get to motivate people to use them.
Well if feddies get the adv. cloak for all their ships I want it for all KDF ships as well. Since the Feds have proven themselves devoid of any civility by using their precious AI as suicide bombers maybe they should see how painful it can be to die when the shields drop just before the cloak activates.
I think the KDF should get emission seeking cluster torpedos as well.
:P
It took three months for Federation President Aennik Okeg to convince the Romulans and the Klingons to send representatives to a summit to discuss the situation.
When the meeting finally began, Okeg made the Federation's position clear.
He apologized for the experiments into cloaking technology, and said that he had signed an executive order banning all research into or creation of Federation cloaking technology.
"The narrow legal view may be that the Treaty of Algeron ended when Romulus was destroyed," Okeg said. "The Romulan Star Empire we knew is gone, and you are a new people. What has not changed is the Federation's commitment to peace."
Honestly, give cloaking devices to every faction and be done with it. Once they do that, the over-rated usefulness of cloaks will sink in.
You can beat the canon horse to death but STO is NOT Canon and it should be damn obvious Cryptic shot that horse when the game launched. They only use the Canon card when it suits their position.
As for the CBS card - Try again, Cryptic are literally allowing Starfleet to fly non-Federation ships so its a bit stupid to allow THAT but not allow people to become invisible.
Cloaking = Devices of War
Anyone who thinks like this is a complete moron, the Federation IS at war with almost everyone so why wouldnt the Federation use them ?
The Romulans arent in much of a position to do much and if they try, they end up TRIBBLE themselves in the process at a time when they are already weakened. Not to mention the game already has a reputation system showing the Romulans giving you access to their technology.
Oh right, the Romulans trust you enough to give you their weapons, consoles and even call in Romulan ships to assist you... but they wont give you a cloaking device because... ummm ?
Its very obviuos some in this thread know absolutely nothing about the federation, thier history, ideals or possibly what it even means to be a fed and why they keep thier word when given.
This subject has already been discussed, rationalized and shot down ad nausieum. Its time to kick dirt on it and let stay dead.
I didn't say anything of an Advanced Cloaking Device like the one used on the B'rel BoP. I just said a Cloaking Device. The one used on the Federation Defiant-class Advanced Escort Retrofit. It is a removable console that takes up a console slot. The ones on the KDF BoPs is a device that is built in to the starship design. In fact if anyone has seen blue prints of the Bird of Prey, on the command pod it is the part of the ship that appears to circle the upper section of that pod and appears as a crown-like structure. This device draws power directly from the ships power core and requires so much power that the starship cannot operate its shields or weapons while under cloak. The BoP in the movies that was able to fire while under cloak had a secondary warp core installed where the whales was store in the movie "Voyage Home".
I am asking that the cloaking device console for that comes with the Federation Defiant-class Advanced Escort Retrofit has its restrictions lifted. Or as a secondary item, the Cloaking Device could be placed as an unlockable console that a player could obtain from the Reputation system and purchase in the Reputation store. This device would then be available for use on any starship and by any faction, even those KDF starships that doesn't have the device.
So I am not just giving the Federation something here. I am also giving something to those KDF starships that doesn't have the Cloaking Device. I would love to have my Breen Chel Grett come in under cloak, uncloak and do a massive alpha strike as it powers over the enemy and gets out of range only to reengage the cloak.
I do agree that the KDF be "honorable" warriors would not "hide" under such a device to only come out and backstab its target in the back. This device really doesn't go with the KDF's position of honor. An honorable fight is where two combatants face each other and slug it out until one wins and the other loses. Use of a cloaking device is the "Romulan Way" of subterfuge and and way of an assassin.
Saying that New Romulus doesn't have the means to mass produce Cloaking Devices is in error. What do you thing the Vault is for. It is big enough to be a research facility and shipyard for New Romulus until they construct such facilities. Therefore, mass production of the cloaking device is possible for the Romulans and Remans.
I am just hoping that when the Romulan faction is released, they give all of t he Romulans the Advanced Battle Cloak. After all, they was the ones to create it anyway.
And as a closing note. Several past Fiction literature about the Federation stated that even prior to Kirks theft of the cloaking device, the Federation was already undertaking research to allow their starships to be able to "disappear" from sensors. Kirks theft of the device gave them a working model to use for this research. So it is very probable that the Federation already has the means to construct the Cloaking Device, but due to their Democratic, Bureaucratic and Pacifistic nature, they don't want to anger the Romulans who has the device on such a grand scale that invasion of the federation would be possible. But since the collapse of the Romulan Star Empire all of these stands on the Cloak Device would be voided and construction of Federation starships would be undertaken so Star Fleet could counter the ever growing Klingon treat.
And I really agree with causality effect's point of view.
The Romulans give access to all of their other technology, send Bridge Officers and Duty Officers to serve on other factions starships. Why not give the Cloaking Device also and a Plasma Quad Cannon with it. They have given their best technology, Reman/Romulun Space Sets and the experimental Romulan beam array and Hyper Plasma Torpedo.
So get real. Just allow the Federation and Klingons to put the device on all of their starships.
What I disagree with is that the Federation cloaking devices are remove able consoles that take up a slot. They should be integral like the KDFs. Only the Galaxy X and Defiant should have a standard cloaking device.
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What I disagree with is that the Federation cloaking devices are remove able consoles that take up a slot. They should be integral like the KDFs. Only the Galaxy X and Defiant should have a standard cloaking device.
Give Feds an illegal reproduction of the phase cloak developed by the crew of the Pegasus. Make it a convoluted, multi-step, resource-intensive Duty Officer project using materials you can only unlock in the reputation store at Tier 5. The punch line: It can only be equipped on an Oberth class science vessel, and you don't find out until the end. Also, it causes crippling malfunctions about half of the times it's activated.
Give Feds an illegal reproduction of the phase cloak developed by the crew of the Pegasus. Make it a convoluted, multi-step, resource-intensive Duty Officer project using materials you can only unlock in the reputation store at Tier 5. The punch line: It can only be equipped on an Oberth class science vessel, and you don't find out until the end. Also, it causes crippling malfunctions about half of the times it's activated.
Yes! And just as you start phasing through the asteroid, the cloak malfunctions and you're stuck half in, half out of it, and you have to fly around that way for the rest of the day.
Yes! And just as you start phasing through the asteroid, the cloak malfunctions and you're stuck half in, half out of it, and you have to fly around that way for the rest of the day.
-1000 turn rate, +10,000 structural integrity.
This, SOOOOO many times over.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
I would never think Federation would abandon their doctrine, nor that they would brake their own treaty to obtain technology that goes against the Fed war philosophy. The practical part of this is that Federation ships (uni console or built in) would have to get an hit to hull and shields to keep them on the line with the Klingon ships that can also use cloak, and I just don't see that happening at all. Again it's part of Fed war doctrine to fight different then Klingons do. There are exceptions, however, like Defiant, and it's working as intended in that ship.
As for Plasma Quad Cannon, yes please, that's actually a pretty good idea. Although my best guess is they're going to keep it for some Zen version of Romulan/Reman ship once (if) we get them as a playable faction.
I say let the Feds have the cloaking device from Pegasus BUT, the device won't engage when fighting Klingons.....it will ONLY work when fighting the Undine, Borg, True Way, Dominion.....see?? Feds have a cloak and the Klingons can't complain because it can't be used against them. Problem solved.
They have had such a hard time dealing with things lately, and they deserve a good pick me up.
I mean, they get lowsy ships, bad / incomplete story lines, that horrible Blue Hud.. *shivers* I mean.. like BLUE!? Oh the agony.
Come on cryptic, give it all to em. They need it!!!! Wah come on now!
The KDF doesn't deserve to exisit, why dosent the new cloak ready federation just wipe them out? I mean, bah klingons, why would we want something different around? BOo, I want the same stuff on both sides!
I know when I switch from Feds to Klings there wont be any difference other than BLUE or RED but I think thats enough to give a different and unique experience.
What surprises me about it is the idea I can bring something the size of a desk into my ship, plug n play, and have it cloak my ship. A cloaking device would absolutely have to be designed into every aspect of the ship even if all the tech were available.
For the DS 9 episode, iirc, the defiant had to be dry docked and completely rebuilt around the cloak.
But mentioning logic in an MMO about Star Trek is more than a bit silly.
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No, you're not one of those whining Fed player who wants a battle cloak.. you're worse because now you want cloak for all other Fed ships... Goodness me..
The cloaking discussion has now risen a few levels.. *takes popcorn*
As for Quad cannons, again Defiant class only, but it would be nice to be able to get better quads than we get on the refit.
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The federation should not have cloack, not because it would make them overpowered, but because in the serie, the federation don't use cloack.
The only exeption is the defiant ( cloack that is given by romulan ) and the galaxy dread from the alternate timeline.
I don't like to said this usualy but here, if you really want a cloak that bad, go to klingons side, or find a ship where you can optimize mask energy signature3, at more than 4km it is exactly like a cloack.
cbs will never allow this anyway, so stop waisting your time.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
The first time we saw the Federation help the Romulans was in "The Enemy" and they didn't get a cloaking device.
Also, "The Path to 2409" made it clear that when it was revealed the Federation had secretly experimented with cloaking devices the Romulans were so upset they withdrew their representatives.
And at that time the Federation had already sent a buttload of ships to help the Romulans.
Why would they now suddenly turn around and just GIVE them cloaks after they were so upset about the Federation developing one?
Last time I checked the Federation didn't do this to extort cloaking devices from the Romulans.
They helped...well to help not to get something out of it.
Meaning...what?
The Federation is there to help them regardless whether they are wiling to give up one of the few technological edges they have.
Given they probably lost a whole lot of industral as well as R&D capabilities with their homeworld, what they have in terms of technology is even more precious.
So does being NEW Romulus mean they're dumb enough to give away what little edge they have left because doing so doesn't change anything in their favour but dimishes their advantage?
With that said, cloaking devices are devices of war. It doesn't make sense for the most of starfleet ships to be using them. But it also makes no sense that klingons would be using them. Hiding like a coward is not honorable. Plot convenience.
So, as before I do believe that the treaty with the romulans is null and void. But, as long as cloaking functions the way it does in game I don't really overly care much about getting it more freely. If I feel the need to cloak I'll just use the defiant or switch over to my klingon. Plus there's always the uniqueness factor at play. Any faction outside of the federation needs all the help it can get to motivate people to use them.
I think the KDF should get emission seeking cluster torpedos as well.
:P
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Refer to the quote in my sig.
You can beat the canon horse to death but STO is NOT Canon and it should be damn obvious Cryptic shot that horse when the game launched. They only use the Canon card when it suits their position.
As for the CBS card - Try again, Cryptic are literally allowing Starfleet to fly non-Federation ships so its a bit stupid to allow THAT but not allow people to become invisible.
Cloaking = Devices of War
Anyone who thinks like this is a complete moron, the Federation IS at war with almost everyone so why wouldnt the Federation use them ?
The Romulans arent in much of a position to do much and if they try, they end up TRIBBLE themselves in the process at a time when they are already weakened. Not to mention the game already has a reputation system showing the Romulans giving you access to their technology.
Oh right, the Romulans trust you enough to give you their weapons, consoles and even call in Romulan ships to assist you... but they wont give you a cloaking device because... ummm ?
Yeah, give everyone cloaks! It would be a great PvP match with EVERYONE cloaked, or woo hoo Ker'rat.. everyone's invisible!
Can't you feds play as feds for a change and stop whining for cloaks? It truly is getting OLD
This subject has already been discussed, rationalized and shot down ad nausieum. Its time to kick dirt on it and let stay dead.
R.I.P
I am asking that the cloaking device console for that comes with the Federation Defiant-class Advanced Escort Retrofit has its restrictions lifted. Or as a secondary item, the Cloaking Device could be placed as an unlockable console that a player could obtain from the Reputation system and purchase in the Reputation store. This device would then be available for use on any starship and by any faction, even those KDF starships that doesn't have the device.
So I am not just giving the Federation something here. I am also giving something to those KDF starships that doesn't have the Cloaking Device. I would love to have my Breen Chel Grett come in under cloak, uncloak and do a massive alpha strike as it powers over the enemy and gets out of range only to reengage the cloak.
I do agree that the KDF be "honorable" warriors would not "hide" under such a device to only come out and backstab its target in the back. This device really doesn't go with the KDF's position of honor. An honorable fight is where two combatants face each other and slug it out until one wins and the other loses. Use of a cloaking device is the "Romulan Way" of subterfuge and and way of an assassin.
Saying that New Romulus doesn't have the means to mass produce Cloaking Devices is in error. What do you thing the Vault is for. It is big enough to be a research facility and shipyard for New Romulus until they construct such facilities. Therefore, mass production of the cloaking device is possible for the Romulans and Remans.
I am just hoping that when the Romulan faction is released, they give all of t he Romulans the Advanced Battle Cloak. After all, they was the ones to create it anyway.
And as a closing note. Several past Fiction literature about the Federation stated that even prior to Kirks theft of the cloaking device, the Federation was already undertaking research to allow their starships to be able to "disappear" from sensors. Kirks theft of the device gave them a working model to use for this research. So it is very probable that the Federation already has the means to construct the Cloaking Device, but due to their Democratic, Bureaucratic and Pacifistic nature, they don't want to anger the Romulans who has the device on such a grand scale that invasion of the federation would be possible. But since the collapse of the Romulan Star Empire all of these stands on the Cloak Device would be voided and construction of Federation starships would be undertaken so Star Fleet could counter the ever growing Klingon treat.
I think I have meet my point in several ways
The Romulans give access to all of their other technology, send Bridge Officers and Duty Officers to serve on other factions starships. Why not give the Cloaking Device also and a Plasma Quad Cannon with it. They have given their best technology, Reman/Romulun Space Sets and the experimental Romulan beam array and Hyper Plasma Torpedo.
So get real. Just allow the Federation and Klingons to put the device on all of their starships.
Klingons purchased the tech a century ago, the Feds by treaty agreed to not research it.
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Now this would be fair.
I was surprised when it was made a console.
*Grabs popcorn* :P
Lol it could be an asteriod magnet.
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Yes! And just as you start phasing through the asteroid, the cloak malfunctions and you're stuck half in, half out of it, and you have to fly around that way for the rest of the day.
-1000 turn rate, +10,000 structural integrity.
This, SOOOOO many times over.
As for Plasma Quad Cannon, yes please, that's actually a pretty good idea. Although my best guess is they're going to keep it for some Zen version of Romulan/Reman ship once (if) we get them as a playable faction.
Yes, Give feds cloaks!
The poor babies deserve it.
They have had such a hard time dealing with things lately, and they deserve a good pick me up.
I mean, they get lowsy ships, bad / incomplete story lines, that horrible Blue Hud.. *shivers* I mean.. like BLUE!? Oh the agony.
Come on cryptic, give it all to em. They need it!!!! Wah come on now!
The KDF doesn't deserve to exisit, why dosent the new cloak ready federation just wipe them out? I mean, bah klingons, why would we want something different around? BOo, I want the same stuff on both sides!
I know when I switch from Feds to Klings there wont be any difference other than BLUE or RED but I think thats enough to give a different and unique experience.
( lol )
What surprises me about it is the idea I can bring something the size of a desk into my ship, plug n play, and have it cloak my ship. A cloaking device would absolutely have to be designed into every aspect of the ship even if all the tech were available.
For the DS 9 episode, iirc, the defiant had to be dry docked and completely rebuilt around the cloak.
But mentioning logic in an MMO about Star Trek is more than a bit silly.
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