the cloaking device is the only thing keeping a little balance if any at all between BoPs TRIBBLE turning qins and all the new shiny ships and human boff stacking fed ships indulge in. not to mention fed ships have stronger hulls and a number of 5 tac console ships.
there is already saucer scrubs cloaking using a specific build, you want everything?
pvp is becoming very unbalance ship to ship wise because cryptic caters to whiny feds.
so no, by no means should you have cloak, and defiant should be stripped of it.
I dont know if it has been mentioned - but the Enterprise eps of the mirror universe the enterprise has a stolen cloak which they use to sneak into the Tholin base holding the TOS era Connie - Defiant.
One of the best episodes of ENT and what the STO anniversary FE was based on.
Still the cloak is not as useful as Fed players think it is.
Outside of Ker rat - you will barely see it in use.
and you would be wrong. join a klingon pvp arena or c and h and see how many of you re teammate bops cloak before alpha...
and you would be wrong. join a klingon pvp arena or c and h and see how many of you re teammate bops cloak before alpha...
Not to mention raptors, they cloak a fair amount as well. Battlecruisers I can see not cloaking, there isn't much point to it. They're supposed to draw fire and tank, so it's ultimately best if they remain uncloaked while the BoPs and raptors circle around looking for a good target to attack.
The main use for the cloak in most situations is the advantage of surprise, and it's not undefeatable. In order to get the devastating alphastrikes, they have to get within 5km. . .well within range of sci ship detection.
In a PvP situation outside of Ker'rat, I wouldn't cloak nearly as much in my Hegh'ta, because cloaking makes you vulnerable to attack for a few seconds. It takes too long to escape a fight, recloak, and then come back in. . .better to just dogfight until you're about to get squished. In Ker'rat, there's more time and tactical flexibility.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
Just make fed cloaking devices not require a console to use on the two ships that can use them. No battle cloaks or anything, maybe one day a console-based phasing cloak with a short duration, like in that one episode of TNG when the Ent D equipped the illegal experimental phasing cloak from Riker's old ship.
make the fed ships that use them give up a weapons slot because they arent designed specifically to use them make them have to use a weapons slot as those systems are the only ones capable of channeling that much raw power and to be really cheecky let game pick either frot or rear weapon slot randomly
Its very obviuos some in this thread know absolutely nothing about the federation, thier history, ideals or possibly what it even means to be a fed and why they keep thier word when given.
Or some of us just perfer the more realistic TOS federation to the naive moronic TNG federation who seem to only make bed treaties
Cloaking has been a Klingon technology for a long time and it suits both our definition of honor and our actions as a conquest expanding predator mindset race and culture.
Yeah becuase the writers were lazy or didn't have the money which is why they grafted stuff from the Romulans to the Klingons while marginalizing the Romulans.
My apoligies. I forgof the TOS episode, the Enterprise Incident where Kirk stoled the RSE advanced version of the cloaking technology they had developed decades after the Klingon - Romulan trade that gave the KDF thier cloaking technology.
The Klingons didn't get cloaks decades before TOS, in fact nobody had ever seen one until Balance of Terror. Heck there wasn't any canon trade agreement either thats just something fans came up with to explain Romulans using Klingon ships which was said to be a NEW thing in the Enterprise Incident.
make the fed ships that use them give up a weapons slot because they arent designed specifically to use them make them have to use a weapons slot as those systems are the only ones capable of channeling that much raw power and to be really cheecky let game pick either frot or rear weapon slot randomly
Thats not how cloaking devices work, or even how their hooked up.
Or some of us just perfer the more realistic TOS federation to the naive moronic TNG federation who seem to only make bed treaties
Hard to argue that the Treaty of Algeron was a bad treaty; what exactly did the Federation lose in exchange for sixty plus years of peace? Nothing, as far as we can tell. Their allies, the Klingons, had plenty of cloaking devices they were presumably studying (for anti-cloaking technology, since we know the Federation's sensor technology has kept pace), and when they needed a cloaking device, the Romulans just loaned them one!
Now, if you want an interesting cloaking device, don't put it in place of a weapon. Put it in place of the shield. There's lots of reasons to believe that the cloaking device is actually a modification to the shield system, after all. A unique, Mk XII ultra-rare shield which allows for limited cloaking would be a unique tactical dimension, involving some interesting trade-offs.
Hard to argue that the Treaty of Algeron was a bad treaty; what exactly did the Federation lose in exchange for sixty plus years of peace? Nothing, as far as we can tell. Their allies, the Klingons, had plenty of cloaking devices they were presumably studying (for anti-cloaking technology, since we know the Federation's sensor technology has kept pace), and when they needed a cloaking device, the Romulans just loaned them one!
Now, if you want an interesting cloaking device, don't put it in place of a weapon. Put it in place of the shield. There's lots of reasons to believe that the cloaking device is actually a modification to the shield system, after all. A unique, Mk XII ultra-rare shield which allows for limited cloaking would be a unique tactical dimension, involving some interesting trade-offs.
You forgot the time that The Federation built their own cloaking device, one better than anything the klingons ever did. Although personally i think the cloak should be made as canon as possible by making the basic version able to activate at any time at the hazard of dropping shields to do so. That's how it works in the show, and that's how it should work in game. What i do agree with though is limiting the federation's use of it to one type of each class. The defiant and Galaxy-X count for the cruisers and the escorts, so maybe a sci-ship could get one and small craft and carriers are left out.
Another thing i would like to see is the technology matching the times. By next gen's standards they were already advancing the basic cloak, so we should get updated versions for each faction.
Feds get intangible cloak Either fleet or rep max level. Once cloaked you can travel through objects but would get a debuff from things like mines or spreads (we'll say subspace damage since you're intangible)
Klingons get Cloaking Bouy. Think of it as an AOE cloak letting them hide up to 5 ships or a small mine field. It's a perfect trap for the klingons to use, but to keep their cloak better they should get the advanced battle cloak as their starting cloak while feds just get the current battle cloak as standard.
As for the romulans, i don't think they should get the shizon perfect cloak, but at the same time maybe give them some type of shielding while cloaked? I don't know, but that's debatable. As their basic cloak though they should be allowed to use cloaked mines like klingons use torpedoes. Think Enterprise when they come across the cloaked mine field, but just being laid by a cloaked ship.
You forgot the time that The Federation built their own cloaking device, one better than anything the klingons ever did.
Well, no. Both the Klingons and Romulans had experimented with similar cloaking devices in the past.
The Klingons apparently abandoned the technology. And for good reason, in my opinion: so far it's gone two out of three at blowing up the ships you use it on. That's one disadvantage; it's apparently incredibly unstable.
Second and third, the cloaking device seems to have fundamental flaws: it's apparently easy to spot if you're looking for the right things (chronitons) and easy to defeat if you're doing the right thing (anyon beam).
This doesn't make it terribly successful, in my opinion. Pressman was a fool.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Hard to argue that the Treaty of Algeron was a bad treaty; what exactly did the Federation lose in exchange for sixty plus years of peace?
Being at a strategic disadvantage is a loss
Nothing, as far as we can tell. Their allies, the Klingons, had plenty of cloaking devices they were presumably studying (for anti-cloaking technology, since we know the Federation's sensor technology has kept pace),
Anyway, i think that if you paid 2500 zen to grab a Galaxy-X or 2000 for a defiant Refit the cloaking console should not be limited to those ship classes.
Anyway, anyone who has played klingon knows that the cloak is only a small advantage.
Advanced battlecloak is another story, but regular cloak only gives a moderate advantage at best.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Except we know that's not true. The strategic disruption of the cloaking device is minimal under almost every significant combat scenario, and the Romulans know this.
The Federation border with the Romulans (and presumably with the Klingons) is littered with sensor outposts capable of detecting cloaked Romulan ships, and as Toreth of the IRW Khazara points out, the chances of a single cloaked Warbird penetrating twenty hours into Federation space without being detected is low.
More to the point, multiple cloaked warships together generate sufficient emissions to be detected on sensors, and a cloaking device is almost useless above warp factor six because the subspace emissions of warp engines can't be masked at high power levels.
The only tactical area where a cloaking device is a strategic advantage is in raiding, except that Klingon and Romulan ships are woefully slow compared to Federation starships, and that's not accounting for the fact that their cloaking devices are of dubious efficacy at high warp even if they could reach it. It's hard to make an effective raiding force when you're cruising around at warp three and your enemies can do a great deal better.
Tell that to the Scimitar.
The Scimitar had an apparently unique and magical cloaking device that was never seen before or after. It demonstrates little of consequence, and in fact, they could have done a great deal better than they did at fighting it based solely on their capabilities as shown in Nemesis.
Federation players are just jealous because they cant have battle cloak and be a badass. I made a video of my BoP in action. If you want battle cloak, join the KDF :P
Federation players are just jealous because they cant have battle cloak and be a badass. I made a video of my BoP in action. If you want battle cloak, join the KDF :P
This is usually my response to threads like these. If people want to use KDF exclusives, play KDF!!!. Stop trying to steal KDF concepts and graft them onto the Federation. The Federation has its own focuses and strengths, and the KDF should have its own as well. The key idea is to try getting these differences to balance out in the end.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
This is usually my response to threads like these. If people want to use KDF exclusives, play KDF!!!. Stop trying to steal KDF concepts and graft them onto the Federation. The Federation has its own focuses and strengths, and the KDF should have its own as well. The key idea is to try getting these differences to balance out in the end.
It's not a KDF concept, it's how it worked in the shows..... And to be honest I have no problem with the KDF having a Bad TRIBBLE version of the cloaking device, i just think it should work like it does in canon. Like i said earlier, I'd be all for the KDF getting the advanced battle cloak as a starting version and getting a better cloak for their higher levels, in fact think they should as well as the romulans, I'd even be okay with a bigger debuff for Feds after being hit when cloaked, i just think it should work like it did in the show.
Federation already has the fleet defiant with 5 tatical consoles and cloak.This ship is the best alfa decloaking hitter among escorts.
There is no kdf counterpart to fleet defiant in this moment.
"There already is a Borg faction, its called the Federation. They assimilate everyone else's technology and remove any biological or technical distinctiveness and add it to their own."
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
They think it'll make them better than they really are, while ignoring the fact that with superior ships, superior VARIETY of ships, a higher average level on the Rep grinds and higher than KDF average level on Fleet equipment, they're losing matches against players who've had only the BEST Feds to fight in the ques most of the time, players who've had to learn to max out INFERIOR designs and who've as a result developed stronger teamwork and base strategies to fight those superior ships.
the Typical Feddie Pug in C&H and Arena does not work at all well together, they either "Kirk it up" or hoard their heals and buffs and leave their teammates hanging out isolated and unsupported against KDF enemies who've HAD to learn to work as a team because of serious deficiencies in their ship designs relative to the Fed average.
This is REALLY visible in Ker'rat, where the best the Feds can manage is to ball up and spawncamp the KDF spawn-point, and that only works when they outnumber their opponents more than 3 to 1.
Fed players who consistently fail to understand the advantages they already enjoy, want Cloak/Battlecloak because they think that those are HOW the KDF is beating them-rather than understanding that BC is the only thing that makes the Bird of Prey class VIABLE.
Federation already has the fleet defiant with 5 tatical consoles and cloak.This ship is the best alfa decloaking hitter among escorts.
There is no kdf counterpart to fleet defiant in this moment.
I believe that the beef is with Federation escorts, here...
As for variety on the Federation side, I have to say that a lot of ships are not much more than chaff. For what it's worth, at least Klingons are not in a position where two of their main ship categories can do nothing but support the third. Insofar actual superiority is concerned, this is only really evident with escorts, and I think you are underrepresenting the contributions of your other ship categories, or the fact that KDF has some very nice Universal Consoles.
That being said, I agree with the notion that battle cloak is actually necessary for birds of prey, and that Federation does not really need cloaking capabilities. Furthermore, cloaking is very distinctively a Klingon thing and is arguably integral to the design of their faction. That being said, I would like the phase cloak to be brought in, eventually.
I'm sorry, but why does the Federation need a cloaking device?
You want the story answer or the game mechanics answer? Not sure, allrighty, I'll give you both.
From a story standpoint, it is irresponsible, immoral and unethical to allow the KDF and RSE to hold a tactical advantage that will cost the Federation lives in both their wars with those powers and in their dealings with larger threats. The treaties and alliances that served as a counter point to this, giving the Federation reason to abstain from that research, are no longer compelling because they are legally dubious in the case of the Khitomer Accords or non-existent, in the case of an alliance with the Klingon Empire.
From a game mechanics standpoint. People want to be able to experience all the positives the game has to offer without having to put up with the negatives. For some players a positive is a battle cloaking ship and a negative are the abrasive whiners that seem to fill the ranks of the KDF. For other players a positive is a five forward firing glass cannon with five consoles, and a negative would be the abrasive whiners that seem to fill the ranks of the Federation.
The only reason the Federation doesn't use cloaks is because of a treaty the signed with thr Romulans back when Picard was in command of the 1701 - D. That treaty has long since been negated by wars and other events with the Romulans. The federation should have cloaks on more ships now, im not saying every ship but more than they have right now.
You want the story answer or the game mechanics answer? Not sure, allrighty, I'll give you both.
From a story standpoint, it is irresponsible, immoral and unethical to allow the KDF and RSE to hold a tactical advantage that will cost the Federation lives in both their wars with those powers and in their dealings with larger threats. The treaties and alliances that served as a counter point to this, giving the Federation reason to abstain from that research, are no longer compelling because they are legally dubious in the case of the Khitomer Accords or non-existent, in the case of an alliance with the Klingon Empire.
From a game mechanics standpoint. People want to be able to experience all the positives the game has to offer without having to put up with the negatives. For some players a positive is a battle cloaking ship and a negative are the abrasive whiners that seem to fill the ranks of the KDF. For other players a positive is a five forward firing glass cannon with five consoles, and a negative would be the abrasive whiners that seem to fill the ranks of the Federation.
But from a story standpoint, it is equally acceptable to state that Starfleet does not have nearly as much experience operating cloaking devices as those two, and have had trouble integrating them on their ships. It could also be said that the Federation has decided not to invest into cloaking devices, for the same reasons why they do not pursue development of technology that they may consider underhanded (and all things considered, a cloaking device is rather shady). That being said, I don't think that Starfleet should be completely deprived of cloaking devices, and that the whole "phase cloak" thing shown in TNG should make an appearance.
As for a game mechanics standpoint, I think it's just another case of "why does he have that, I want one too".
The only reason the Federation doesn't use cloaks is because of a treaty the signed with thr Romulans back when Picard was in command of the 1701 - D. That treaty has long since been negated by wars and other events with the Romulans. The federation should have cloaks on more ships now, im not saying every ship but more than they have right now.
While I find it completely idiotic, the Federation is still upholding the Treaty of Algeron per the path to 2409 lore provided by Cryptic.
There was another Pegasus-type incident a few years after the Hobus supernova that inflamed tensions with the Klingons and the remnants of the Romulan Empire. To try and defuse all of that the Fed President basically said "well we're under no legal obligation to do so, but we're going to keep functioning under the terms of the treaty".
While I find it completely idiotic, the Federation is still upholding the Treaty of Algeron per the path to 2409 lore provided by Cryptic.
There was another Pegasus-type incident a few years after the Hobus supernova that inflamed tensions with the Klingons and the remnants of the Romulan Empire. To try and defuse all of that the Fed President basically said "well we're under no legal obligation to do so, but we're going to keep functioning under the terms of the treaty".
I'll say there's one thing consistent between STO lore and the Destiny novels - the Federation Presidents are all imbeciles.
I'll say there's one thing consistent between STO lore and the Destiny novels - the Federation Presidents are all imbeciles.
Such was the case in DS9, as well.
Speaking of authority, it seems as if the Starfleet Admiralty has a disturbing tendency to be made up of admirals who are either incompetent, insane or alien parasites. Out of all admirals I've seen in the series, only Maxwell was anywhere close to being competent.
Speaking of authority, it seems as if the Starfleet Admiralty has a disturbing tendency to be made up of admirals who are either incompetent, insane or alien parasites. Out of all admirals I've seen in the series, only Maxwell was anywhere close to being competent.
I'd argue most Presidents were in the "well intentioned but naive" category.
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there is already saucer scrubs cloaking using a specific build, you want everything?
pvp is becoming very unbalance ship to ship wise because cryptic caters to whiny feds.
so no, by no means should you have cloak, and defiant should be stripped of it.
u dont pvp much do you?
if u are in a bop u are cloaking before u attack, iv never seen anyone on any team do it any different
and you would be wrong. join a klingon pvp arena or c and h and see how many of you re teammate bops cloak before alpha...
Not to mention raptors, they cloak a fair amount as well. Battlecruisers I can see not cloaking, there isn't much point to it. They're supposed to draw fire and tank, so it's ultimately best if they remain uncloaked while the BoPs and raptors circle around looking for a good target to attack.
The main use for the cloak in most situations is the advantage of surprise, and it's not undefeatable. In order to get the devastating alphastrikes, they have to get within 5km. . .well within range of sci ship detection.
In a PvP situation outside of Ker'rat, I wouldn't cloak nearly as much in my Hegh'ta, because cloaking makes you vulnerable to attack for a few seconds. It takes too long to escape a fight, recloak, and then come back in. . .better to just dogfight until you're about to get squished. In Ker'rat, there's more time and tactical flexibility.
Or some of us just perfer the more realistic TOS federation to the naive moronic TNG federation who seem to only make bed treaties
Yeah becuase the writers were lazy or didn't have the money which is why they grafted stuff from the Romulans to the Klingons while marginalizing the Romulans.
The Klingons didn't get cloaks decades before TOS, in fact nobody had ever seen one until Balance of Terror. Heck there wasn't any canon trade agreement either thats just something fans came up with to explain Romulans using Klingon ships which was said to be a NEW thing in the Enterprise Incident.
Thats not how cloaking devices work, or even how their hooked up.
Now, if you want an interesting cloaking device, don't put it in place of a weapon. Put it in place of the shield. There's lots of reasons to believe that the cloaking device is actually a modification to the shield system, after all. A unique, Mk XII ultra-rare shield which allows for limited cloaking would be a unique tactical dimension, involving some interesting trade-offs.
You forgot the time that The Federation built their own cloaking device, one better than anything the klingons ever did. Although personally i think the cloak should be made as canon as possible by making the basic version able to activate at any time at the hazard of dropping shields to do so. That's how it works in the show, and that's how it should work in game. What i do agree with though is limiting the federation's use of it to one type of each class. The defiant and Galaxy-X count for the cruisers and the escorts, so maybe a sci-ship could get one and small craft and carriers are left out.
Another thing i would like to see is the technology matching the times. By next gen's standards they were already advancing the basic cloak, so we should get updated versions for each faction.
Feds get intangible cloak Either fleet or rep max level. Once cloaked you can travel through objects but would get a debuff from things like mines or spreads (we'll say subspace damage since you're intangible)
Klingons get Cloaking Bouy. Think of it as an AOE cloak letting them hide up to 5 ships or a small mine field. It's a perfect trap for the klingons to use, but to keep their cloak better they should get the advanced battle cloak as their starting cloak while feds just get the current battle cloak as standard.
As for the romulans, i don't think they should get the shizon perfect cloak, but at the same time maybe give them some type of shielding while cloaked? I don't know, but that's debatable. As their basic cloak though they should be allowed to use cloaked mines like klingons use torpedoes. Think Enterprise when they come across the cloaked mine field, but just being laid by a cloaked ship.
Well, no. Both the Klingons and Romulans had experimented with similar cloaking devices in the past.
The Klingons apparently abandoned the technology. And for good reason, in my opinion: so far it's gone two out of three at blowing up the ships you use it on. That's one disadvantage; it's apparently incredibly unstable.
Second and third, the cloaking device seems to have fundamental flaws: it's apparently easy to spot if you're looking for the right things (chronitons) and easy to defeat if you're doing the right thing (anyon beam).
This doesn't make it terribly successful, in my opinion. Pressman was a fool.
Or whoever he might've been working under was a fool at least as well.
Being at a strategic disadvantage is a loss
Tell that to the Scimitar.
Scimitar was plot device.
Anyway, i think that if you paid 2500 zen to grab a Galaxy-X or 2000 for a defiant Refit the cloaking console should not be limited to those ship classes.
Anyway, anyone who has played klingon knows that the cloak is only a small advantage.
Advanced battlecloak is another story, but regular cloak only gives a moderate advantage at best.
The Federation border with the Romulans (and presumably with the Klingons) is littered with sensor outposts capable of detecting cloaked Romulan ships, and as Toreth of the IRW Khazara points out, the chances of a single cloaked Warbird penetrating twenty hours into Federation space without being detected is low.
More to the point, multiple cloaked warships together generate sufficient emissions to be detected on sensors, and a cloaking device is almost useless above warp factor six because the subspace emissions of warp engines can't be masked at high power levels.
The only tactical area where a cloaking device is a strategic advantage is in raiding, except that Klingon and Romulan ships are woefully slow compared to Federation starships, and that's not accounting for the fact that their cloaking devices are of dubious efficacy at high warp even if they could reach it. It's hard to make an effective raiding force when you're cruising around at warp three and your enemies can do a great deal better.
The Scimitar had an apparently unique and magical cloaking device that was never seen before or after. It demonstrates little of consequence, and in fact, they could have done a great deal better than they did at fighting it based solely on their capabilities as shown in Nemesis.
This is usually my response to threads like these. If people want to use KDF exclusives, play KDF!!!. Stop trying to steal KDF concepts and graft them onto the Federation. The Federation has its own focuses and strengths, and the KDF should have its own as well. The key idea is to try getting these differences to balance out in the end.
It's not a KDF concept, it's how it worked in the shows..... And to be honest I have no problem with the KDF having a Bad TRIBBLE version of the cloaking device, i just think it should work like it does in canon. Like i said earlier, I'd be all for the KDF getting the advanced battle cloak as a starting version and getting a better cloak for their higher levels, in fact think they should as well as the romulans, I'd even be okay with a bigger debuff for Feds after being hit when cloaked, i just think it should work like it did in the show.
Yeah, it's hard being ethical sometimes.
At least, so I'm told.
There is no kdf counterpart to fleet defiant in this moment.
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
I believe that the beef is with Federation escorts, here...
As for variety on the Federation side, I have to say that a lot of ships are not much more than chaff. For what it's worth, at least Klingons are not in a position where two of their main ship categories can do nothing but support the third. Insofar actual superiority is concerned, this is only really evident with escorts, and I think you are underrepresenting the contributions of your other ship categories, or the fact that KDF has some very nice Universal Consoles.
That being said, I agree with the notion that battle cloak is actually necessary for birds of prey, and that Federation does not really need cloaking capabilities. Furthermore, cloaking is very distinctively a Klingon thing and is arguably integral to the design of their faction. That being said, I would like the phase cloak to be brought in, eventually.
You want the story answer or the game mechanics answer? Not sure, allrighty, I'll give you both.
From a story standpoint, it is irresponsible, immoral and unethical to allow the KDF and RSE to hold a tactical advantage that will cost the Federation lives in both their wars with those powers and in their dealings with larger threats. The treaties and alliances that served as a counter point to this, giving the Federation reason to abstain from that research, are no longer compelling because they are legally dubious in the case of the Khitomer Accords or non-existent, in the case of an alliance with the Klingon Empire.
From a game mechanics standpoint. People want to be able to experience all the positives the game has to offer without having to put up with the negatives. For some players a positive is a battle cloaking ship and a negative are the abrasive whiners that seem to fill the ranks of the KDF. For other players a positive is a five forward firing glass cannon with five consoles, and a negative would be the abrasive whiners that seem to fill the ranks of the Federation.
But from a story standpoint, it is equally acceptable to state that Starfleet does not have nearly as much experience operating cloaking devices as those two, and have had trouble integrating them on their ships. It could also be said that the Federation has decided not to invest into cloaking devices, for the same reasons why they do not pursue development of technology that they may consider underhanded (and all things considered, a cloaking device is rather shady). That being said, I don't think that Starfleet should be completely deprived of cloaking devices, and that the whole "phase cloak" thing shown in TNG should make an appearance.
As for a game mechanics standpoint, I think it's just another case of "why does he have that, I want one too".
While I find it completely idiotic, the Federation is still upholding the Treaty of Algeron per the path to 2409 lore provided by Cryptic.
There was another Pegasus-type incident a few years after the Hobus supernova that inflamed tensions with the Klingons and the remnants of the Romulan Empire. To try and defuse all of that the Fed President basically said "well we're under no legal obligation to do so, but we're going to keep functioning under the terms of the treaty".
I'll say there's one thing consistent between STO lore and the Destiny novels - the Federation Presidents are all imbeciles.
Such was the case in DS9, as well.
Speaking of authority, it seems as if the Starfleet Admiralty has a disturbing tendency to be made up of admirals who are either incompetent, insane or alien parasites. Out of all admirals I've seen in the series, only Maxwell was anywhere close to being competent.
I'd argue most Presidents were in the "well intentioned but naive" category.
As for non-bonkers brass...
Admiral Ross?
Admiral Shanthi?
Admiral Hanson?
That's just off the top of my head.