Force Stealth Nerf

Deora - Lost City wrote: »

How is it possible a level 100 Wizard can take down 9001 level 100 barbarians in just one skill?

It isn't, you just speak bull****. I'm just wondering though why are sins always considered "good" (and fare well) with tt90+2 stuff including weapon, while wizzies need like +7 minimum to be even remotely taken into consideration. Makes you wonder.

You're talking out of your *** and you know it. What a ****ing embarrassment, coming on here and claiming such nonsense. That or you fail to mention that your friend triple sparked and you took off all your armor.

Let's see...

(level + weapon)*(1 + magic/100 + cleric buff)

Let's just assume you have a really good magic sword, what is that? about 3000 weapon damage fully sharded and refined to +12? Maybe you got 2 +100 mattack adds on your wep too, who knows.

Let's also assume you're a pure build with about 500 magic

(100 + 3000 + 200) * (1 + 5 + 0.7)

That's a base damage of about 22k, pretty decent.

Now for BIDS calculation:

500% weapon damage + base damage + about 14k addon

(5*3300 + 22000 + 14000)*1.25 <-- don't forget about Mastery

That comes to about 65k raw damage, which is NOT 20k PvP damage if no crit, no amp, no frenzy, no spark, no debuffs.

Let's assume the wizard did triple spark, frenzy, extreme poison:

(100 + 3000 + 200) * (1 + 12 + 0.7)

= about 45k base damage

BIDS is then about 34k non-crit

In short, wizards with +3 weapons do not typically score 20k-30k with BIDS unless you really wait around

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy192/pokerkimm/2010-09-2301-09-40.jpg

only used frenzy and sage bids .-. didnt had time to poison or undine since was multiple targets.
nvm after reviewing my SS i still not sure if i used frenzy coz of the AD cooldown o.o so lets just said i used it even tho im not completely sure.

also dont remember if used jones bless or anniv one o-o

most likely the one who took 18k was a lowbie caugh in the middle but i dont remember either b:surrender

+5 h99 ravager with sapp gem so yah i dont see how u could make a 20-30k hit with +3-+4 on a non lowbie with just bids unless target stood there like 1minute while he undined+frenzy+poison+atk charm o.o

DrunkWizard - Lost City wrote: »

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy192/pokerkimm/2010-09-2301-09-40.jpg

The best thing about this SS?

There's a fail no-armor sin taking damage. And dying as well; he has like... 2k HP at 85. b:chuckle

No, he was not the target of the BIDS, there's no way a sin with no armor takes 4k from BIDS from a level 100 wiz.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

/inb4 a nub makes a long list explaining why all classes are OP and what needs to be nerfed because they think they're so smart for pointing out what the rest of us normal humans (and magichamsta) already know

Says the person that made this thread.

Every class has a skill that against another specific class (or classes, not all) is considered OP against no matter what. That is just the balance of the game.

Now consider this, what if, from the start of the game there was a Human Assassin instead of a Human Blademaster. What do you think people would be saying when they released Tideborn Blademaster (assuming no skills are changed)? Of course people like you would complain about it seeing as you see the Tideborn just as a feature that was added on and can be removed. Well guess what, the Tideborn were originally /supposed/ to be there from Day 1, but because of rushed development and the fact that it was the first game the company was ever releasing more then likely they were being pushed for time/running out of money. How do I know this? Go digging in old clients or go back and time and do digging, its all there, all the evidence you need. Hell, if you look at the "leaked" server files almost all private servers run on and are basically just an older version of what they are running at PWE and PW-Beijing, you'd see class template for the Assassins and Psychics, you can even login as them. Granted being able to login does not mean /that/ much, but it does show that they truly are there and were meant to be there from day 1 but never truly made it.

Seeing as how you want to play that card following that logic why don't we remove everything but the ability to melee attack people at a maximum rate of .5 attacks per second, how would you like that? That technically would make everything balanced as then everyone has the same **** speed and **** attack and just plain old ****. I challenge you and everyone else that is complaining about this game to go and look at every single other F2P MMO out there, find me one that is even anywhere near and nicely done as PW. Oh right, you can't.

Complain about it as much as you want but there is nothing in the F2P world that is anywhere as good as it, and as bug free as it is (yes look at the scale of the entire game and then look at how many bugs it has, very small considering its size). Next time you feel like bashing something simply because you don't like how it works, get all your facts straight for an unbiased opinion so you look at least halfway decent. The fact you are even complaining about it shows that you still care for the game, which in turn shows that you are still playing it as much as you supposedly "hate" it.

Signed,
--An Anonymous Poster.

Dorset - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i dont think stealth shoudl b e nerfed. every class has its advantage. look at venos, they have pets AND long range attack and i dont see peopel bitchign in this thread botu how that shoudl be changed. if you dont like assasins dont play assasin.

we dont play sins , at least not me .

and we complaining about pk vs sins.

wiz psy archer venos has long range attacks but sins overange them all with telestun n others.

I have a solution to this mass QQ threadb:laugh, just charge 2.5k dollars worth of ZEN and you will not have to worry about assassins anymore b:thanks. Oh wait never mind, what if the assassin charges that much to b:surrender.

Bankor - Lost City wrote: »

Says the person that made this thread.

Every class has a skill that against another specific class (or classes, not all) is considered OP against no matter what. That is just the balance of the game.

Now consider this, what if, from the start of the game there was a Human Assassin instead of a Human Blademaster. What do you think people would be saying when they released Tideborn Blademaster (assuming no skills are changed)? Of course people like you would complain about it seeing as you see the Tideborn just as a feature that was added on and can be removed. Well guess what, the Tideborn were originally /supposed/ to be there from Day 1, but because of rushed development and the fact that it was the first game the company was ever releasing more then likely they were being pushed for time/running out of money. How do I know this? Go digging in old clients or go back and time and do digging, its all there, all the evidence you need. Hell, if you look at the "leaked" server files almost all private servers run on and are basically just an older version of what they are running at PWE and PW-Beijing, you'd see class template for the Assassins and Psychics, you can even login as them. Granted being able to login does not mean /that/ much, but it does show that they truly are there and were meant to be there from day 1 but never truly made it.

Seeing as how you want to play that card following that logic why don't we remove everything but the ability to melee attack people at a maximum rate of .5 attacks per second, how would you like that? That technically would make everything balanced as then everyone has the same **** speed and **** attack and just plain old ****. I challenge you and everyone else that is complaining about this game to go and look at every single other F2P MMO out there, find me one that is even anywhere near and nicely done as PW. Oh right, you can't.

Complain about it as much as you want but there is nothing in the F2P world that is anywhere as good as it, and as bug free as it is (yes look at the scale of the entire game and then look at how many bugs it has, very small considering its size). Next time you feel like bashing something simply because you don't like how it works, get all your facts straight for an unbiased opinion so you look at least halfway decent. The fact you are even complaining about it shows that you still care for the game, which in turn shows that you are still playing it as much as you supposedly "hate" it.

Signed,
--An Anonymous Poster.

First you argue without supporting it that all classes are balanced (apparently devs accomplished this while lacking the skills to fix basic bugs like rubber banding and magic shell). Then you are argue by extension that the tideborns are balanced because of a hypothetical situation in which they were released with the original classes. Signed some anonymous coward.

The rest of everyone is talking about something that occurred in actual reality in which the tideborn were haphazardly added without giving other classes skills with which to defend against them. I guess you posted on this alt because you realized how silly an argument is when it is based on events that didn't occur.

If you still need to convince yourself the tideborn weren't in the game originally press "M" and look for a section that looks like it was randomly added.

Noskrad - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's true that, at high lvls, assassins are hardly defeated by anyone in PK/1 vs 1 battle. But don't the class name "assassin" tells you anything?. Assassins are suposd to be able to kill others in a more effective way than other classes, like barbs are suposed to tank better than anyone, wizzards able to 1 hit, etc... That's the class identity, it just wouldn't be logic that an assassin has the same possibilities to kill his atrget as any other non-assassin class, so stop complaining there.

No one asks developers to nerf barbarian's HP so that they has the same possibility to tank as other classes, for example. That doesn't mean that assassins are the best class in game, we're good at 1 vs 1 combat only, but it becomes a lot hard when we're in a territory war, we die easily there where probably barbs, archers and any other class would survive better and kill more ppl in less time, and in dungeons too, we're not tankers, that's clear, we couldn't tank the strongest bosses in game, only barbs would be able to do so, but I don't see any assassin asking devs for more HP or merf HP for barbs, it's just barb's mastery!.

I don't know if you ppl get me right, the fact that assassins can kill others easily (no matter what skills it takes) is what makes us assassins, otherwise we would be just fists BMs, so no need of a different name nor class. So stop complaining about assassin's skills, we're assassins for a reason, just like other classes are barbs,archers, BMs, venos, etc. for a reason too.

i agree with Noskrad he have a point each class have advantage and disadvantage 4 us sins we suckz at TW but the rest of class play a major part in TW assassins are only good 4 pvp and specialy 1 v 1 plus at end game all kind of classz are strong and they gona be hard 2 beat not just assassins its all depends how you play and you notice there isnt any tideborn genie skillz yat what yall gona do if there is a tideborn genie skillz gona put more QQ threat .? tideborn didnt finish developing yat there is stuff missing too who knows maby they gona add a detection genie skill .? i just say play what you got and enjoy if you being harrashed by sin report you maby keep get pked or something over same sin that annoying you and you wana ruin the game 4 all of the sins we all not same i know there is a Sins that really **** off camping and stuff but like i said not all of us do that i just want everybody understand Without Force steath we are Eazy target becuz we are LA force steath count as a servive skill 4 us we are melee if they skill get changed or take away you gona see alot of Sins gona Reroll and switch 4 another Classz i like being a Sin so dont ruin the game 4 me this is pvp i own and get owned so i move on its just a game i kill and get killed iam not saying that Sins cant be killed each time i go up 4 pvp i die sometimes sometimes i quit the battle you know Ganging we have no chance just 2 force steath thats all what i have 2 say that Dev not that stupid 2 make sins and the game this much unbalanced thats why they took all this time 2 release them '' if you love being a sin help not post in this threat so it go away at the last of forum list ''

Brishi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This problem is really easy to fix. Just do so a assains stealth lvl is same as the assains lvl.

Now a 60 assain can have a stealth lvl from 70-80, but if they do so the stealth lvl is same as the assains lvl a 60 assain get a stealth lvl of 60. Then they only can sneak up on targets thats have the same or lower lvl. And at high lvl its only people at the same lvl as the assain that can see them.


Problem solvedb:victory

stealth lv already is same lv as user lv , but they has stealth masterie skill , like our wood fire earth water and weapons masteries.

Noskrad - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's true that, at high lvls, assassins are hardly defeated by anyone in PK/1 vs 1 battle. But don't the class name "assassin" tells you anything?. Assassins are suposd to be able to kill others in a more effective way than other classes, like barbs are suposed to tank better than anyone, wizzards able to 1 hit, etc... That's the class identity, it just wouldn't be logic that an assassin has the same possibilities to kill his target as any other non-assassin class do, so stop complaining there.

No one asks developers to nerf barbarian's HP so that they has the same possibility to tank as other classes, for example. That doesn't mean that assassins are the best class in game, we're good at 1 vs 1 combat only, but it becomes a lot hard when we're in a territory war, we die easily there where probably barbs, archers and any other class would survive better and kill more ppl in less time, and in dungeons too, we're not tankers, that's clear, we couldn't tank the strongest bosses in game, only barbs would be able to do so, but I don't see any assassin asking devs for more HP or merf HP for barbs, it's just barb's mastery!.

I don't know if you ppl get me right, the fact that assassins can kill others easily (no matter what skills it takes) is what makes us assassins, otherwise we would be just fists BMs, so no need of a different name nor class. So stop complaining about assassin's skills, we're assassins for a reason, just like other classes are barbs,archers, BMs, venos, etc. for a reason too.

+1 *sigh* I wish more people had this same logic in their headsb:thanks.