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  • Infernia - Harshlands
    Infernia - Harshlands Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    ReMakaBo - Archosaur wrote: »
    Yea, not everyone cares for the PvE asspect of the game. Most of the people that have complaints are only concerned about the PvP part.


    PvE = brainless auto attack

    PvP = actual skill

    get it?

    PvP without being able to farm PvE = loluinTT90****. (Not quite that bad but you know what I mean).

    Only so many poeple can sucessfully merc their way to riches. Also, PvP = skill yes. Abusing an exploit shows skill how? True skill would be winning within the rules.
  • XMasqueradex - Lost City
    XMasqueradex - Lost City Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    ReMakaBo - Archosaur wrote: »
    Reason for glitching CC was horid animation times, and somewhat long CDs....so fixing one of the variables could compensate.

    DBB over all is a pointless skill, for the cost of 2 sparks. In PvP BMs used it for the fire damage add. Lowering the cost of spark would be a decent compensations.

    Glacial spike was for the very short duration of crit strikes, but the cast animation of this skill makes that addon pointless because the addon is almost poofing before you even start to attack again after the galcial is done.... so a fix in that direction would be a nice compensation...


    Just a few ideas I could think of... Over all the BM because of long cast animations, lose more of their addons then they benefit. So a reformat of that would be a step in the right direction. People for years never really complained about it, well namely because they knew how to compensate the lack of themselves.

    see HERE i can agree. lowering the animation times would be fine i just don't think its cool using a skill to get an add on with no cost
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  • ReMakaBo - Archosaur
    ReMakaBo - Archosaur Posts: 845 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    XMasqueradex - Lost City wrote: »
    see HERE i can agree. lowering the animation times would be fine i just don't think its cool using a skill to get an add on with no cost

    For most part the only reason BMs needed to use these glitches was because of what I stated above. With the glitches, it actually made them a viable PvP class. Without them they will be suffering, again because of what I stated up there.
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  • XMasqueradex - Lost City
    XMasqueradex - Lost City Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    ReMakaBo - Archosaur wrote: »
    For most part the only reason BMs needed to use these glitches was because of what I stated above. With the glitches, it actually made them a viable PvP class. Without them they will be suffering, again because of what I stated up there.

    see i understand WHY bms use it but i still agree it should have been fixed. sure PWI went around it the wrong way but it was an glitch and every one agrees glitches need to be fixed even ones people rely on. but yes they do need to fix the animation speed of bm
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  • ReMakaBo - Archosaur
    ReMakaBo - Archosaur Posts: 845 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Nah Im glad to see fixes as well, never really argued, or even QQed that point. I now have 3 classes that just got "fixed" however like said before the BMs will suffer the most. Some sort of cempensate for them would be great from PWI, considering they let this go on for YEARS and lead people to invest so much into a character based on that one abilty.

    will they? prob not. Most of their fixes are ones that **** people off, not help the game play. BM glitches didn't make them OP, actually just helped them keep up with the masses.

    But hopefully this will be a lesson to all those people out there blowing tons of USD for OPness, seems PWI could ninja fix people at anytime, illregardless to their own mistakes.
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  • Infernia - Harshlands
    Infernia - Harshlands Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Id be happy for BMs to get a reduced spark cost or animation length for such skills, ive no real issue with that. Just keep the penalty free buff aspect gone.

    ~Still hoping on that GV fix~
  • Darcwolf - Lost City
    Darcwolf - Lost City Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    lol at all the BMs QQing, serioulsy, 5.0 and a stunlock isnt good enough for you? Maybe you should uninstall then. BM is about the only original class that is still wanted for anything anymore, oh 5.0 aps? who needs a cleric. HA and 10+hp and def buff, who needs a barb? Oh your a wizard and your not 5.0, we dont need you in nirv.... We just want 5.0. Maybe you should try rolling another one of the original classes and see how much we get screwed compared to you.
  • KissMyAsss - Lost City
    KissMyAsss - Lost City Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    All I can say to the "mucho" pvp'ers on Lost City that used this glitch is Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.........

    Have fun learning to realy pvp with your class as it was supposed to be.
  • Arenaceous - Lost City
    Arenaceous - Lost City Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    KissMyAsss - Lost City wrote: »
    All I can say to the "mucho" pvp'ers on Lost City that used this glitch is Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.........

    Have fun learning to realy pvp with your class as it was supposed to be.

    Said the sin.
    "Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."

    "Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They're dead."

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  • ICEsmoke - Harshlands
    ICEsmoke - Harshlands Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    GMS YOU HAVE SINGLE HANDEDLY KILLED THE FUN OUT OF BMS Fking GRATZ

    and wait why the hell is this even callled a glitch, its called skill noobs (gms prolly faild at it rolol) why do we even have other weapons now huh? maybe yous use poleblades and axes with 9999damage but we have to deal with the **** you give us.

    lets keep this going rolol
    Im about to bust my pole up yo **** hole
  • XMasqueradex - Lost City
    XMasqueradex - Lost City Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    ICEsmoke - Harshlands wrote: »
    GMS YOU HAVE SINGLE HANDEDLY KILLED THE FUN OUT OF BMS Fking GRATZ

    and wait why the hell is this even callled a glitch, its called skill noobs (gms prolly faild at it rolol) why do we even have other weapons now huh? maybe yous use poleblades and axes with 9999damage but we have to deal with the **** you give us.

    lets keep this going rolol

    your an idiot. its called a GLITCH because you were never SUPPOSE to gain the add on buff without using the skill in the first place. Canceling the skill and gaining the buff was a fault in the programming and BMs were exploiting it. so its not called Skill (even tho timing it took skill) its called a GLITCH
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  • ICEsmoke - Harshlands
    ICEsmoke - Harshlands Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    XMasqueradex is another victom of skilled Warriors hahaha nub
    Im about to bust my pole up yo **** hole
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Awww how cute.. Arcanes ******** about how they can't get a spot in Nirvana... I'm fairly sure you can, you may not be able to run it as fast but you can get spots. On Dreamweaver I know tons of Arcanes that manage to run it, so shut the **** up already. "OMFG QQ U NO WANT TAKE ME I R ARCANEZ" is getting so ****ing old!

    The Blademaster class lost something that actually made them viable in pk, it let us compete at end game with the other classes, and now that we don't have it anymore it means we're basically a faceroll to any class. Our only real way of killing is by sparking now, which... you know... is exactly what sins do, only they can do it WAY better. They made BMs a Spark>Auto hit class for pk, you no longer need skill to cancel cast your skills during a stunlock chain in order to get the damage output needed to beat someone. It's just spark>auto.

    Also... people should really stop saying "You're 5.0 and can stunlock!" because last I checked... you can't get 5.0 in a stunlock chain becuase if you're locking them like you should.. you won't have chi to spark. I mean.. you COULD use Cyclone Heel if you're at 4APS Base but... if you're 4APS Base... and you're only hitting for 300-500 on something with 10k HP... it won't make too much of a difference because that still gives them more than enough time to break your stun chain with Domain/Fortify/Stun Break. Which.. happens to be the reason you don't Roar>Spark>Cloud Erupt/Chi Pot then Drake Bash.. 'cause yeah... could end up wasting genie/apo and not having it when you need it.

    So here's how it is now... BMs are no longer the 2nd best DD at end game, no I don't mean just having 5APS and a +10 weapon, I mean true end game where everyone has pimped out gear not just TT99/Nirv. We aren't able to match other classes with OUR weapon. In PvP... we've become a joke to anyone with decent gear because now that we can't CC... we can't stun past Expel unless it's a very special situation, and all we can really do against most opponents is spark. Which, as I've explained... anyone with half a brain can get away from.

    I seriously wish they'd cut Wizard's damage in half or something so you'd all go whine about it and the BMs could tell you all to shut up.
  • XMasqueradex - Lost City
    XMasqueradex - Lost City Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    ICEsmoke - Harshlands wrote: »
    XMasqueradex is another victom of skilled Warriors hahaha nub

    Actually at MY lvl bms are easy as hell and any way who's the nub the one who knows what a GLITCH is or the one who is raging on the forums to GM's who don't make the fix's in the game they just implant what they are given from china idiot b:bye
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    XMasqueradex - Lost City wrote: »
    Actually at MY lvl bms are easy as hell and any way who's the nub the one who knows what a GLITCH is or the one who is raging on the forums to GM's who don't make the fix's in the game they just implant what they are given from china idiot b:bye

    Oh wow.. You've beaten level 66 BMs.. you must be soooo skilled and know a lot about end game huh?
  • XMasqueradex - Lost City
    XMasqueradex - Lost City Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Oh wow.. You've beaten level 66 BMs.. you must be soooo skilled and know a lot about end game huh?

    Zan my reply was directed at the guy saying im mad for being rolled by "skilled warriors" i rarely get pked by End game bms even when i sit out at west unless of course they are killing off every one because most of the time i sit out there and chat to people make friends and such. i never once stated anything about knowing End game pvp nor did i say im skilled so please go trash talk some one else b:bye
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    XMasqueradex - Lost City wrote: »
    Zan my reply was directed at the guy saying im mad for being rolled by "skilled warriors" i rarely get pked by End game bms even when i sit out at west unless of course they are killing off every one because most of the time i sit out there and chat to people make friends and such. i never once stated anything about knowing End game pvp nor did i say im skilled so please go trash talk some one else b:bye

    It's not trash talk.. the fact is you don't know about end game PvP, let alone know about it on a BM's side. Any opinion you have on this subject is automatically invalid.
  • XMasqueradex - Lost City
    XMasqueradex - Lost City Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    It's not trash talk.. the fact is you don't know about end game PvP, let alone know about it on a BM's side. Any opinion you have on this subject is automatically invalid.

    you must be very thick in the head if you think my "opinion" on bms being easy at my lvl was on the subject. it was to show the other guy that no im not mad because iv been "rolled by bms" if you read back you should see i'm one of the people ON the bms side saying they should be compensated for being fked over in the fix. the other guy was just mad because he asked by is it called a glitch and i told him why
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    XMasqueradex - Lost City wrote: »
    you must be very thick in the head if you think my "opinion" on bms being easy at my lvl was on the subject. it was to show the other guy that no im not mad because iv been "rolled by bms" if you read back you should see i'm one of the people ON the bms side saying they should be compensated for being fked over in the fix. the other guy was just mad because he asked by is it called a glitch and i told him why

    If your opinion's not on the subject of the thread then I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be talking about it. Soooo yeah... if you wanna talk about beating a level 60-70 BM do it somewhere else, because that and any opinion you have on the BM class have nothing to do with the subject. At your level you don't even have to deal with the glitches, so yeah... Hmm.. no, I think that's all I have to say about that.
  • XMasqueradex - Lost City
    XMasqueradex - Lost City Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    If your opinion's not on the subject of the thread then I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be talking about it. Soooo yeah... if you wanna talk about beating a level 60-70 BM do it somewhere else, because that and any opinion you have on the BM class have nothing to do with the subject. At your level you don't even have to deal with the glitches, so yeah... Hmm.. no, I think that's all I have to say about that.

    funny how you point out ME not being on topic yet not the bm who actually started the off topic talk after being sour about me explaining why CC is a glitch but meh b:bye

    Edit: how do you know my Opinion has nothing to do with the subject, who says on a different account or on different character im not End game bm? just because i decide to post on a seeker avatar dosnt really prove anything does it
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    XMasqueradex - Lost City wrote: »
    funny how you point out ME not being on topic yet not the bm who actually started the off topic talk after being sour about me explaining why CC is a glitch but meh b:bye

    Edit: how do you know my Opinion has nothing to do with the subject, who says on a different account or on different character im not End game bm? just because i decide to post on a seeker avatar dosnt really prove anything does it

    Then post on your different character and show us you have at least some form of knowledge about end game PvP.
  • XMasqueradex - Lost City
    XMasqueradex - Lost City Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Then post on your different character and show us you have at least some form of knowledge about end game PvP.

    would but don't have it any more. took a break from the game last October and my little brother wanted to join Perfect World so i deleted off all my characters from my first account and gave it to him now i only use one account
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  • _AIAS_ - Archosaur
    _AIAS_ - Archosaur Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    If certain abnormalities are to be fixed,or maybe some op characteristics of classes have to be reevaluated , maybe ...just maybe gms and devs should take a look at rankings to see in what class are the most 103's and above ,or how many pvp victories have this certan class in maybe half time of pwi's history. i aggre with bag removals but what about some balance overall?


    ps. SIN CAN STILL 2 SPARK AT STEALTH AND ONE(OR 2-3 ) SHOT WITH PHYSICAL ATTACK BM WHO HAS THE MOST PHYSICAL RESISTANCE IN GAME AFTER THE BARBS, SO GAME ISNT BALANCED AND I AM SO HAPPY THAT FOR ABOVE A YEAR I FTP AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE CSERS(MOSTLY R9 SINS MUHAHA) WITH MY CATSHOP.

    ps2. END GAME SIN CAN SOLO HARPY AND FC AND ALL BOSSES(BLOODPAINT LOLOL) IN MINIMUM TIME....SHOULD A MASSIVE -SNEAKY ATTACK CLASS BE ABLE TO DO THAT?

    ps3. ALL MAYBE ENTITLED TO SPEAK TO THIS THREAD BUT NO.. JUST NO THE SINS XD
  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Infernia really needs to leave this thread. You blatantly lied about playing a bm in a pserver because you said in these last pages that you dunno how a bm works, but you're doing a nice job trolling so carry if that's what you're here to do. and XMasqueradex you need to leave too, all you're doing is telling us to stop QQ and have no idea of the impact of what the update did. You know seekers lost a CC too? you're just to low leveled to realize, it was quite a decent one too.
  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    XMasqueradex - Lost City wrote: »
    just because i decide to post on a seeker avatar dosnt really prove anything does it

    it's not because of that, it's because you show no understanding of it. Also you refer to it as a glitch which it wasn't. Fair enough it was an exploit which other classes has use of too and been around for 3+ years and used commonly. It's typical of pwi to not mess with stuff but when they do mess with stuff it's 3+ years too late.

    WTF, i was gonna delete this post to merge it with the one i posted above but the delete button links me to a place saying if you clicked a legit link tell an admin to fix the problem, so i clicked on admin and it said it was a broken link or rather disabled -_-
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    XMasqueradex - Lost City wrote: »
    would but don't have it any more. took a break from the game last October and my little brother wanted to join Perfect World so i deleted off all my characters from my first account and gave it to him now i only use one account

    Well isn't that convenient?

    Sooooo how about showing us that you have at least an idea of what end game PvP is like? Or did you delete that too?
  • XMasqueradex - Lost City
    XMasqueradex - Lost City Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    Infernia really needs to leave this thread. You blatantly lied about playing a bm in a pserver because you said in these last pages that you dunno how a bm works, but you're doing a nice job trolling so carry if that's what you're here to do. and XMasqueradex you need to leave too, all you're doing is telling us to stop QQ and have no idea of the impact of what the update did. You know seekers lost a CC too? you're just to low leveled to realize, it was quite a decent one too.

    Fyi i know seekers lost a CC too it just dosnt really bother me that much. i didn't rely on it nor did i really care about it so yeah decent ability gone am i going to rage quit a seeker cause of it no im not. and to me anything that goes again the programming even if it is the programs fault such as using a buff without paying the cost is a glitch in my book if im wrong then i am wrong but not once did i say stop QQing im on bms side here they got ripped off bad and as i stated in a previous post i hope they are compensated for it by a redo of their skill animation and such though i wont put any faith on that
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  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    XMasqueradex - Lost City wrote: »
    Fyi i know seekers lost a CC too it just dosnt really bother me that much. i didn't rely on it nor did i really care about it so yeah decent ability gone am i going to rage quit a seeker cause of it no im not. and to me anything that goes again the programming even if it is the programs fault such as using a buff without paying the cost is a glitch in my book if im wrong then i am wrong but not once did i say stop QQing im on bms side here they got ripped off bad and as i stated in a previous post i hope they are compensated for it by a redo of their skill animation and such though i wont put any faith on that

    You're a level 66 seeker xD ofcourse it doesn't bother you too much. Thanks for being on the bms side <3
  • Daedallus - Sanctuary
    Daedallus - Sanctuary Posts: 554 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    From one of the game's most neglected, underpowered and stepped on classes I have one thing to say to BM, sin and seeker being nerfed/unable to use a game exploit


    b:victoryb:laughb:laughb:laughb:victory

    Learn to play without cheating ( for me, exploiting a bug or a glitch = cheating )
  • Kasilumati - Lost City
    Kasilumati - Lost City Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    If there was a way to fix the BMs only....then i wish they would.
    Sins? GTFO......i'm loving the nerf on you beetches.b:pleased

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